The Improbability of a Marcus Semien

Semien

The image above represents a landmark moment in the author’s own life — and perhaps the life of anyone who derives pleasure from those instances in which the previously marginalized become less marginalized — insofar, I mean, as it demonstrates how, earlier today, Marcus Semien was the most searched-for player at FanGraphs.

On the one hand, it’s not particularly surprising that Semien would be a person of some interest at the moment: he, along with assorted other pieces, was just traded to Oakland in exchange for talented right-hander Jeff Samardzija and still-alive prospect Michael Ynoa. Curious Oakland fans — and curious other sorts of fans, too — are curious about the new additions to the club.

What’s is surprising, however, is that Semien might serve as the “centerpiece” — or an approximation thereof — in a deal that sees Jeff Samardzija (even if it’s just a year of Jeff Samardzija) going the other way.

At some level, that surprise is the product of an issue discussed in some depth by Dave Cameron earlier today — namely, that public perception of trade value is unduly swayed in favor of the brand-name player, even as the clubs themselves appear content to receive a number of lower profile, but still useful, pieces in return for stars.

Of note regarding Semien, particularly in light of his pedigree, is that he’s ascended to a point where he might be considered even a useful piece — or, a “nice little second baseman” as Cameron refers to him in the post mentioned above. Objectively speaking, the probability of Semien having made it even to this point is quite low.

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There are a number of ways to estimate objectively — which is to say, without any specific consideration of his tools or performance — the likely outcome of a player’s career. Among the easiest to calculate — because they rely on readily available information — are the relevant player’s draft slot (with a consideration also of signing bonus) and also his place on industry prospect lists.

So far as the former of those is concerned, one finds — with regard to Semien — one finds that he was a sixth-round pick (signed for a typical sixth-round bonus) in the 2011 draft. While, on the one hand, being selected in the sixth round is tantamount to being recognized as one of the top-200 draft-eligible amateurs in all the country (and also Canada and also Puerto Rico), it’s also a strong argument against that same sixth-rounder’s chances of ever having a major-league career. Consider: of the 150 players selected in the sixth round between 2001 and -05, just 44 (or 29%) have since made even one appearance in the major leagues. Only four of those 150 (or 3%) have recorded a 10 WAR or greater in the majors. By comparison, 117 of the 150 players* (or, 78%) selected in the first round between 2001 and -05 have graduated, at some point, to the majors. Forty (or 27%) of those graduates from the first round have produced 10-plus wins in the majors so far.

*I’ve ignored supplementary picks to make the numbers even.

Rephrased: a first-round pick from 2001 to -05 is just about as likely to have already recorded 10 wins in the majors as a sixth-round pick from that same interval is to have appeared at all in a major-league game.

Another means by which to estimate objectively the likely future value of a prospect is to consider his place on various preseason industry lists. Semien, for his part, appeared on zero of these until the 2013-14 offseason — which is to say, his third year of eligibility for such a thing. This isn’t unsurprising: a study of a recent MLB.com top-100 prospect list revealed that 59 of the players within same had been selected either in the first or supplemental round of the amateur draft. No fewer than 15 other prospects on that same list had been signed originally as international free agents, as well. In all, only about 25% of the list consisted of players selected in the second round or later of the amateur draft. If we assume that all of those remaining players were selected between rounds two and six (i.e. Semien’s round) over, say, a period of three draft years, that’s a sample of 450 or so players from which only 25 have been regarded as among the game’s most promising. When we consider that there are also players from after the sixth round, then it’s probably fair to say that a player in Semien’s position has less than a 5% chance of appearing on any given edition of Baseball America’s top-100 list or the equivalent.

Indeed, even when he did appear on a notable offseason prospect list, it was just 91st overall on Baseball America’s. Research by Scott McKinney reveals that a prospect ranked in that area on BA’s annual top-100 list has historically developed into even just an average major-league player only about 20-25% of the time. While Semien has struggled at the major-league level, Steamer projects him to produce a 105 wRC+ and 1.9 WAR in about 500 plate appearances in 2015*. Almost precisely league average, that, in just his age-24 season.

*ZiPS is even more optimistic: a 2.4 WAR in roughly 600 PAs, according to Dan Szymbuttface.

Of course, these long odds don’t apply merely to Semien. Paul Goldschmidt and Ben Zobrist and half of the Cardinals’ most recent World Series team were all selected in the sixth round or later and omitted from notable prospect lists — and all have become average, if not markedly better than average. It follows that some of these sorts of these previously unheralded players will develop into successes. The probability of any one of them doing it, however, remains quite small.





Carson Cistulli has published a book of aphorisms called Spirited Ejaculations of a New Enthusiast.

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Mike Piazza
11 years ago

Truly impressive for a “late” rounder… Now let me finish polishing my trophies. “What trophies?” you ask? You probably haven’t heard of them — just my 1993 NL Rookie of the Year Award and 1996 All-Star Game MVP trophies. “What’s that empty space next to them?” you ask? I’m glad that you asked; that’s for another award that I hope to be receiving within the next few years.

Ben WM
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike Piazza

Great, now I’m having flashbacks from the Sheffield/Piazza trade. Thanks.

Hrkac Circus
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike Piazza

Didn’t you hear? You’ve got way too much backne to be in the HOF.

Tom
11 years ago

Since Semien is already in one of the 29% (N=44) that have already made a MLB appearance, it would be nice to know the distribution and WAR numbers/stats on those 44. In other words, if you are a 6th rounder who makes it to the bigs, what does that cohort look like in terms of success?

The Stranger
11 years ago
Reply to  Tom

Roughly 9% of that 29% goes on to produce at least 10 WAR.

Cory S.
11 years ago

So Semien is almost equal to Addison Russell? That’s rough for Oakland fans to swallow, but I guess it was worth a shot at a World Series.

Agent Cooper
11 years ago
Reply to  Cory S.

Semien + the 2.1 WAR shark provided (which were perfectly optimized on the Win value curve) + bassitt + ravelo + phegley = russell.

AK7007
11 years ago
Reply to  Agent Cooper

This, times a million, but also including the fact that deadline prices are hugely inflated for starting pitching.

witesoxfan
11 years ago

The absolute hardest piece for me to see go in this. I absolutely love the skillset Semien brings to the table and I think he can be a really, really good major leaguer for a really, really long time. Or maybe, someday, we look back and see that he’s just a Junior Spivey clone with only one year of good, solid production. Or maybe he never puts up a good year.

Frankly, this entire package of prospects going to the A’s is right up your alley Carson, but I know that Semien was one of your favorite Fringe Five candidates/participants throughout.

Corey Kluber
11 years ago
Reply to  witesoxfan

And we all know what a Cistulli endorsement can do!

Old Ben Kenobi
11 years ago
Reply to  witesoxfan

“Or maybe, someday, we look back and see that he’s just a Junior Spivey clone with only one year of good, solid production. ”

Now that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time…a loong time.

Bounty
11 years ago

Speaking of Improbable…..

Perhaps I don’t understand the depth chart page, but to me it currently looks like it’s giving Semien 2.5 WAR @ SS plus 0.3 WAR at 2B and 0.2 WAR at 3B for a combined total of about 3 WAR. However it shows his regular page as 1.9 WAR. ?

matt w
11 years ago
Reply to  Bounty

One thing is that the depth chart page projects him for about 10% more plate appearances than his own page, so that’s 0.2 WAR.

Another possibility is that his regular page projects him as a second baseman, and that he has less WAR there. His batting line seems to be the same on the Depth Chart page and his own page, while his own page projects him for a -1.2 Def and the Depth Chart page projects him as -3.2 Fld across the three positions, playing about 80% of the time at short. Last year a shortstop with a -4.2 UZR had about a +2.4 Def (see Andrus, Segura), so if the position switch moves Semien’s total projected Def from about -1.2 to +3 (and this gets scaled up with playing time) then we’re within shouting distance of accounting for it by rounding errors.

Bounty
11 years ago
Reply to  matt w

Perhaps we just needed to wait, as today it says 1.8 WAR for SS, .2 WAR for 2B and .1 WAR at 3B for a total around 2.1 which matches his player page.

Bounty
11 years ago
Reply to  Bounty

Of course now I’m seeing things like Doolittle getting 1.5 WAR on the depth chart, but only 1 on his player page. Similar for Chavez, Pomeranz. There are some guestimate errors here and there, but I’d guess the Depth chart seems uhhh…. optimistic. Almost every position player is .1 WAR above the players page. Other teams depth charts have some above and some below… so it literally just seems optimistic. Might just be noise, but it seems worth questioning.

GreenMountainBoy
11 years ago

Food for thought… Albert Pujols was drafted in the 13th round with the 402nd pick. Mike Piazza was drafted in the 62nd round with the 1027th pick. What were THEIR odds of making it? ZERO!!!!! Unless of course, one considers PEDs. Does anyone really think every MLB team, with all their scouts, failed completely on evaluating the true talent of either of these guys?

Shaemoose
11 years ago

Pujols actually was missed by scouts. In Jonah Keri’s book about the Rays they mention that he slipped in the draft due to worries about injuries, defense, and athleticism. I agree, though, that Piazza took steroids, because NO 62nd round player should theoretically become a successful player.

Chris KMember since 2020
11 years ago
Reply to  Shaemoose

I’m not sure that capitalizing “NO” was enough to make sure that the original commenter will understand your sarcasm.

Josh TC
11 years ago

Yes. They got better

pft
11 years ago

25 of the 40 first round picks (75 picks) that produced 10+ WAR were top 15 picks. Only 15 in the 2nd half of the 1st round (75 picks) were 10+ WAR, and 5 of 51 supplementary picks

So basically

1st half – 33%
2nd half – 20%
supplementary 10%
6th round 3%

Consider also is that the 3% mark for a 6th round pick might drop to as low as 1% for rounds 7-50, making the cumulative number of picks from 6-50 producing 10+ WAR over 40. Meaning the late round picks account for 1/2 of all 10+ WAR drafted players from 2001-2005, but without the significant investment in bonuses (just 5K salary per year until they get on the 40 man then it jumps to 50-125K)

dl80
11 years ago
Reply to  pft

I wonder how much of this, if any, is that first and second round picks are given more chances than others drafted later. I can pick out lots of later round picks who had/have good minor league numbers but haven’t yet been given a real chance in the majors.

How many Scott Van Slykes are out there (round 14) and not ever given a real shot at major league success?

Mac
11 years ago
Reply to  dl80

#FreeCrashDavis

For real though, you make a great point about confirmation bias. There are only 30 MLB teams out there and only so many at-bats to go around. First and second rounders with promise are likely prioritized and given “first dibs” on shots to show their stuff.

sorbil
11 years ago

Semien reminds me of Zobrist a bit. Extemely hi BB rate (always valued by Oak), FB hitter with mid-teens power (not a great fit for Oak), and defensive versatility, tho Semien not the elite defender Zobrist was, just versatile. Both also have some speed, tho not sure SB will become as big a part of Semien’s game. Neither are (or likely to become in Semien’s case) good avg hitters despite good SO/BB rates due to the hi FB rates.

Vince
11 years ago

Don’t forget one of life’s intangibles: motivation. Marcus grew up across the bay in San Francisco and he is going to get to play every day in Oakland. If he gets 600PA in 2015, the counting stats will be there in the end, granted we might need to wait a while for the average to come along.

Small samples from 2013 and 2014, but Semien became more selective in 2014, swung at fewer pitches out the zone (and overall), and made improvement on the pitches that he actually was swinging at inside the zone. There are also some great GIFs of him turning on difficult inside pitches.

All told he had a combined line in 2014 of 87/21/80/10, so if he gets the ABs, I don’t think it is far-fetched for him to hit 70/10/55/5 in 2015 and given his ability to take a walk, he should get on base at a .360+ clip, and Oakland has him under team control through 2019. That’s pretty good value.

And an even better for Marcus, as he can live at home playing xbox in mom’s basement to his heart’s desire on each and every home-stand.

-Vince