The Kyle Schwarber Decision
A year ago, Kyle Schwarber took over October with his bat, launching monstrous home runs and putting himself on the map as one of the better young hitters in baseball. This summer, Schwarber took over July with his unavailability, as many of the summer’s rumors revolved around teams — specifically the Yankees — trying to get the young slugger from the Cubs in various trades, but the team refusing to part with him, even though it meant they had to settle for a bullpen upgrade not named Andrew Miller. And now, Schwarber is taking over Octoer with his rehab; six months after tearing his ACL, Schwarber is now angling for a return to the team, offering to serve as the designated hitter in the four World Series games that take place in AL parks.
From an entertainment perspective, I hope the Cubs add Schwarber to the roster; it would make for a compelling story, especially when the Indians inevitably bring Miller in to face him, reminding the Cubs what they could have had in their bullpen if they weren’t so attached to him. From a baseball perspective, I’m less convinced that putting Schwarber on the roster would be a significant improvement for the Cubs roster.
The argument against rostering Schwarber has one pretty easy component, of course: we really have no idea how much of an impact his lack of at-bats will have on Schwarber’s ability to perform against big-league pitching. There’s a huge unknown related to what a team should expect from a guy in October who just missed the entire season, and there’s no real precedent for giving key at-bats in the World Series to a guy who missed virtually the entire regular season and the first few rounds of the playoffs. While it’s tempting to think of Schwarber as the guy he was last October, there seems to be a real risk that he’ll be Kyle Schwarber in name only, and won’t be an impact hitter while trying to get his timing back.
But beyond just the question of Schwarber’s unpredictable value, I’m not actually sure the Cubs need him.
If Schwarber makes the roster, he’d be in line to start the four games in AL parks, plus pinch-hit in the three games in NL parks. Realistically, we’re probably looking at something like 15 at-bats. But given the team’s other options, I’m not certain that he’d be a huge upgrade in those 15 at-bats.
For instance, in the first game of the series, the Cubs are going to throw Jon Lester, which means David Ross will be behind the plate. If they carried the same roster they had in the NLCS, and went with their standard lineup, their bench options who could serve at DH would consist of Willson Contreras, Miguel Montero, Jorge Soler, Chris Coghlan, and Albert Almora. It’s a nice mix of righties and lefties, with Contreras and Montero the most likely candidates; Contreras as the take-the-best-hitter option, Montero as the platoon-advantage guy.
A healthy Schwarber with his normal timing is a better hitter than either, of course, but we don’t know what Schwarber is going to be, and bumping a guy like Contreras out of the lineup would remove a quality hitter from the offense. The Cubs could start both by inserting Contreras into the outfield and benching Jason Heyward, who has looked entirely lost this postseason, but Heyward’s glove remains valuable, and since the Indians will mostly be throwing right-handers at them, sticking with him could pay dividends.
The same problem applies in Game Two. Because Kyle Hendricks had to pitch on Saturday, Jake Arrieta will be slotted in to start the second game of the series, and the Cubs have committed to letting him have Miguel Montero as his personal catcher. Montero even started for the Cubs in Game Three of the NLCS despite the Dodgers throwing Rich Hill, because they valued his work with Arrieta over the offensive improvement of starting Contreras against a lefty. Again, with the catcher spot taken due to the pitcher preference, starting Schwarber means not starting Contreras, or putting him in the outfield and removing Hewyard’s glove from the defense. The issue would also apply in Game Six, when Arrieta would again be scheduled to start in Cleveland, putting Montero behind the plate.
Either way, there’s a downside to starting Schwarber. His bat could justify the move, but it’s not like he’d be replacing some useless scrub; the Cubs have enough position-player depth that they have real DH options even without Schwarber. And the cost goes beyond just the lineups; they’d also have to commit a roster spot to a guy who can’t play the field, and for whom they’d probably need to pinch-run if he got on base in a late-inning situation.
The most likely casualty if the team decided to carry Schwarber would be Rob Zastryzny, as the Cubs would likely shift from a 13/12 hitter/pitcher split to a 14/11 roster; all the other position players serve too much of a function to get left off the roster. Zastryzny isn’t some vital cog to the team or anything, but since the Cubs aren’t really carrying a traditional long man, he’s the natural choice to soak up innings if a starter gets hammered and the team ends up in a blowout. With Zastrzny on the roster, the team would have to use relievers they’d rather have fresh for important late-game matchups, and so Schwarber’s roster spot would leave them a bit vulnerable to having overworked relievers if one of the starters doesn’t work deep into a game.
None of this is to say that there’s no reason to carry Schwarber. If the Cubs think the timing issue is overblown and that his work in the AFL prepared him to face the Indians, then he could certainly be an offensive upgrade over the team’s other options at DH. And given how right-handed the Indians staff is, just having another left-handed bat with some thump could be useful, even in the games at Wrigley, where Schwarber could pinch-hit for Ross in a big spot, especially if Miller has already been used.
But the Cubs aren’t your normal NL team with nothing but lousy options at DH. They already have players worthy of more playing time than they’re currently getting, and they don’t need Kyle Schwarber in order to give themselves a legitimate bat to play in the games in Cleveland. Maybe Schwarber, after missing the whole season, is still better than those guys, and the gap is large enough to carry one less pitcher, but there’s a lot of uncertainty in that judgment.
I hope the Cubs put him on the roster. The spectacle would be great theatre, and he would make the series more intriguing. But from a pure baseball perspective, I might leave him at home, and give those Contreras at-bats instead.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
If Schwarber were a righty, would this be an easier decision? If it’s only ~15 ABs and there’s a chance 1-2 are against Miller as a lefty, that seems to make the value add much smaller…
Their starters are all righty, so for 1, 2, 6, and 7, it would be better lefty (even if he does wind up facing Miller I think). At Wrigley, pinch hitting, yeah righty would be better I think (except of course for Allen and Shaw).
Tbh I don’t think it really matters much given cleveland’s pitchers
The Indians might well start Merritt, a lefty. If they do it will be in game 4 in Chicago.
If Schwarber is the DH and Contreras is consequently left on the bench, the move is questionable. There is upside and there is downside.
What SHOULD happen is Schwarber at DH, Contreras in LF, and Heyward sitting. If for nothing other than raw power and plate discipline, Schwarber is an offensive threat even below 100%. Heyward is still talented but it’s pretty foolish to expect him to be better than the 1.6 WAR player he was this season, and thus far, he’s been even worse in the playoffs. Let him sub in late defensively.
I like the offensively-heavy first-half of the game approach you’re proposing. Scoring runs early seems especially critical given the strength of the Indians bullpen.
I wonder how Cleveland’s RF plays… is it more or less ground to cover than a normal park?
From a strategic perspective, it makes sense to go offense early, since the starters will have short hooks and they are the most vulnerable part of the team.
But my approach is even more basic. It’s not about favoring offense or defense, it’s about playing the best team you can. WAR considers both offensive and defensive value; Contreras was worth more fWAR than Heyward in less than half the playing time. Some of that was due to playing catcher, which doesn’t matter when he’s in LF, but it wouldn’t be enough to close the gap.
Ive been on maddon for not having contreras bat starting in every game this postseason so I’m a little torn here. I like contreras in right and zobrist in left due to contreras having a stronger arm though if schwarber is rostered.
Contreras almost always comes into the game in the later innings to replace Ross or Montero. If Contreras is DH’ing, he would not be able to do this, as we would forfeit the DH spot. I think it is unlikely that Contreras would be the DH for Games 1 and 2, as Lester(Ross), and Arrieta(Montero) are pitching.
Correction: Third to last paragraph “just having another right-handed bat with some thump”. Schwarber bats lefty.
I think if Schwarber makes the roster it indicates that Heyward is going to get less playing time and Contreras’ bat makes it into the OF with Zobrist in RF.
Are Travis Wood and Mike Montgomery not considered for long man because you might want to use them later in the game with matchups?
With Edwards – Strop – Rondon – Chapman – Wood – Montgomery I think they have a pretty deep pen that could even cover if a starter were to get knocked out early. Now if it happened multiple times, I guess I could see how they would be in trouble, especially if the games were played close to each other, but if you have a starter get knocked out early multiple times in a 7 game series, aren’t you normally in trouble?
Yeah, a potent lefty bat would be better than a 12th pitcher. The issue thus being, was Arizona enough to potent Schwarber up?
By which I mean, I’m not suggesting they bench Heyward to get Schwarber in, or even DH Schwarber ahead of their other options. Just that even a mere 2-3 high-leverage PH shots will be more important than some even-if-needed mopup work. With 2 off days in there (and we’ll see about rain), 11 pitchers should be able to cover that anyway.
As for the last point, it’s true that it’s normally trouble if the starter is regularly getting knocked out early. The Giants in 2014, however, won the World Series and had three games where a reliever entered in the 3rd inning or earlier. The Giants won two out of those three games, by the way.
There’s also the possibility of one or more long extra inning games where the bullpen gets a lot of innings even if the starter goes 5-7 innings. Or the possibility that the schedule gets messed up by a weather cancellation, meaning more games in a row without a day off and/or the chance that a starter needs to go on short rest. Both of those can happen if Game 3 gets pushed back a day by weather. FWIW, the current forecast has a 20% chance of precipitation in Chicago on Friday, and a 30% chance in Cleveland on Wednesday.
And, realistically, it’s easier for a manager to burn through relievers on platoon match-ups in a close game knowing that there’s somebody left in the bullpen who could pitch multiple innings if the game goes to extra innings.
At a time like this, it’s difficult for Cubs fans to forget about Schwarber’s first MLB start.
http://m.mlb.com/gameday/cubs-vs-indians/2015/06/17/414631#game_tab=wrap,game=414631,game_state=final
Sure, except that no pitcher upon whom a Cub scored a run in that game actually plays for the Indians anymore.
Yeah, I didn’t mean it is actually relevant to the players on the field. It is only sentimentally relevant. Hence, as for “Cubs fans,” it is relevant. As this is FG, I also acknowledge the sabermetric truth that Shaun Marcum is not scheduled to start any games in the World Series.
I think Kluber eats up Schwarber (due to his prolonged inactivity) if he DHs so any advantage comes down to using him as the DH in games 2, 6, 7 and ph duties. I have a hard time justifying him hitting over Contreras if the latter is on the bench. Contreras has shown he can handle the limelight. Don’t think I like the idea of Contreras in LF, Zobrist in RF with Heyward’s D on the bench. IMO it weakens their defense too much. Realistically they can carry Heyward’s offensive woes in light of his better D.
wait–are we certain that Schwarber is replacing a reliever in this scenario? why wouldn’t he replace Coghlan? Coghlan has some value in his ability to play in the field, but not that much, especially because so many other guys have positional flexibility.
You need more than one backup IF. With the 5 IFs on the roster all starting, the odds of one of them getting hurt is higher than if you had a reserve waiting around. Coghlan is the only bench guy (out of him/Montero/Contreras/Soler/Almora) who can play the IF.
True. But swap LaStella in for Coghlan. With Zobrist’s flexibility, the issue is negated.
Contreras came up as a 3B. In a pinch he could be your 6th infielder.
Nothing will befall Kris Bryant, unless he is shot in the heel with a poison arrow. He is a Greek God, is what I’m saying.
Technically Achilles, the one slain by a poisoned arrow to the heel, wasn’t a god. He was a hero, perhaps a “demi-god”, but he was not an immortal god. That said Bryant may well have ascended to those divine heights. Of course the legend of Achilles, god or no, has lasted nearly 3,000 years by now so Bryant has got a way to go with regard to longevity. Sadly the only Homer he knows has four bases in it.
Homer bailey in same division. He clearly is divine.
“The only homer I know has four bases in it.” Did no one pick up the movie reference? Cmon people! Name the movie!
The Natural. Sub beers for bases and you get Homer Simpson. I know, crickets.
D’oh!
They only replaced La Stella with Zastryzny for the NLDS because the Dodgers were historically awful against LHP and they wanted to be overly prepared to exploit that weakness, and even then he didn’t end up throwing a pitch in the series. With Cleveland’s strength being their bullpen, I would assume the Cubs will make the move back to a extra positional player to have more matchup options. Schwarber is beloved by the team and I don’t think it’s much of a question as to whether he should make the roster if he’s able. The emotional spark his return would create is worth the 25th man spot that they basically haven’t used all postseason outside of one (or was it two?) La Stella plate appearances in the NLDS. The question is whether he should actually start at DH or merely be a weapon off the bench.
And here I am wondering if Contreras is simply better than Schwarber altogether.
Something has obviously clicked with Contreras over the past two seasons and the authority with which he is hitting the ball is undeniable. It will be interesting to see his projections next season. I think he is one of the Cubs best players and I would like to see him in the lineup as much as possible.
That being said, Heyward vs Schwarber is a pretty easy question.
I’d put Zobrist in RF, Contreras in LF, Schwarber as the DH and sub in Almora/Heyward in the late innings.
Schwarber over Zastryzny seems like a pretty easy Yes. Like everyone else here is saying how much he plays is another matter, but I’m all for giving him a couple of AB until Miller enters the game. That is until he proves he’s not ready. Contreras vs Heyward is the real choice.
It could be that the Cubs are merely evaluating whether they want Coghlan. LaStella, or Schwarber in the LH bench option role. The Cubs may be evaluating whether Schwarber’s offensive upside is enough to offset the inability to play the field. So, in effect, it is beside the point how Schwarber compares to Contreras, Soler, Heyward, etc.
This is a decision that will come back to haunt them and could cost Theo his reputation. What has Conteras done all season, and especially postseason, but hit, frame, and smile? Could seriously mess with the Cubs chemistry; I mean, if anyone can mitigate that it’s Joe Maddon but you have to be concerned about losing one of the most fundamental young players on the roster to favoritism. Also if Scharber wasn’t so fat in the first place he never would have hurt his knee.
Sorry in advance for the ESPN comment…
He’s not fat you fucking idiot. He’s been with the team the whole season. He is part of the chemistry.
If you knew anything about the Cubs season you’d know he hurt his leg playing in the OF in the first week of the season and has been rehabbing his knee. A lot of people don’t even think he’ll be able to play catcher anymore. Also please keep it to baseball please, I didn’t say anything about your sticky stalk…sheesh.
I’m a Cubs season ticket holder. Schwarber has been traveling with the team the entire season while he’s been rehabbing. He’s in dugout during games. He’s in the clubhouse before and after. He’s already part of team chemistry. Anyone following the team knows this.
Maybe he would have finished his rehab earlier if he took it more seriously and didn’t care so much about missing the petting zoos or dressing up for Maddon’s road trips.
What the f*** are you talking about? He’s a month ahead of schedule. You would know this if you were paying attention. All of your complaints are baseless. Seriously, what’s your problem? Stop eating paint chips.
forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown.
Oh this guy, heh, he’s a troll. Don’t waste your time on pudieron89.
The front office has way more information on this than any of us. They base every decisions on facts. It’s not a mistake that they’ve made it this far. Sit back and trust the people who are making the decisions.
Is that why they outbid everyone for Heyward, because they had more information than anyone? This team is about to run out of luck; cubs need to watch their bahhhhk.
I don’t know if I’ll catch flack for this, but the other issue here is that Jake Arrieta has not justified having Montero as a personal catcher. If we witnessed the dramatic splits that Lester has demonstrated throwing to Ross as compared to other catchers, that would be one thing. If pitching to Montero allowed him to revert to 2015 form and carry the team, then great. But if he’s going to be allowing four runs even throwing to Montero, then give me the lineup best equipped to overcome his increasing lack of command. The fact that Montero’s arm is a wet noodle at this point in his career certainly won’t help matters if Arrieta is going to be giving free passes to a team that runs the bases as well as Cleveland does.
I see your concern, but this is one of those times where I do trust the team.
I’ve just been getting nightmare visions of Lester’s first start as a Cub, when the Cardinals ran wild on him. I worry that Clevaland has to be licking its chops at the prospect of facing a pitcher who can’t throw to first in game one followed by a catcher who can’t throw to second in game two.
I would say my biggest worry is Good Jake not showing up again. I’t amazing how he carried the staff last postseason and basically hasn’t contributed this year.
I just see the Cubs as having so many great DH options already. I completely agree, any extra value added would be minimal, assuming that it helps more than it hurts
If the Cubs beat the Clevelands in the “World Series,” does it really count?
Yes.
If the Cubs lose, will they say the series was rigged against them? ;>-)
Schwarber should absolutely play if he can at DH. Almora in RF. Zobrist in LF. Heyward rides the pine and subs in for defense late game. Lineup in CLE: Fowler, Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber, Zobrist, Baez, Contreras, Russell, Almora. Scary good.
Except Ross is catching game 1 and Montero game 2 so no contreras. That was literally the point of the article.
Thanks for the post, Dave. I hadn’t thought through the personal catcher side of this equation for 3 out of the 4 potential games in Cleveland.
I agree that his timing at the plate is a big concern, and I’m also wondering if he could run the bases. Is he medically cleared to slide into a base? Would the team need to pinch-run for him if he reached base at any point during the game, not just during the late innings?
The big story was that the doctors cleared him last week, a month ahead of schedule. The Cubs wouldn’t trade him for Miller, so I’m quite confident they wouldn’t screw with his future.
One major thing that this article leaves out, is that Contreras almost always comes in to Catch for Ross or Montero later in the game. If Contreras is in the DH spot, we would forfeit the DH Spot should we move him to Catcher later in the game. I think it is unlikely that Contreras will be used as a DH in Games 1 or 2 with Lester(Ross) and Arrieta(Montero) pitching. The counter argument here could be that if it’s in the last 2 innings, Maddon could work some magic and do a double switch, but I’m not a huge fan of that idea. I think if Schwarber makes the WS Roster, he will DH in Cleveland. If he does not make the roster, it will be Soler or Coghlan. If Contreras starts in Games 1 or 2, I can only see it being in the OF.
He comes in to pinch hit though, not really defense. Ross is the best defender.
Agreed. But when he comes in to pinch hit, he stays in. Joe almost always uses Contreras immediately once Lester or Arrieta are done for the game.
That tactic can be – and, IMO, should be – changed in a game with a DH. The only reason not to do so is if the Cubs feel that either Soler or Coghlan is a better hitter than Contreras against the opposing starting pitcher. Either let the starting catcher play the whole game, or put in the backup of Ross or Montero if the team pinch hits for the starting catcher. In the exceedingly unlikely chance that the second catcher in the game is hurt, the Cubs could then deal with moving Contreras to catcher and not having a DH.
This is a really good point and I’m a little disappointed it didn’t make it into Dave’s analysis. DHing Contreras actually limits Maddon’s flexibility more than DHing Schwarber. It’s clearly the right call if they think they can get something out of Schwarber.
80% of the innings thrown by Indians pitchers will be by RHP’ers. Another LH power bat could be valuable as PH or DH, especially with Heyward being an automatic out.
Nobody hits Miller, in fact RHBers (474 OPS) have more trouble with Miller than LHBers (523 OPS) this year. They just look better making outs
The key to minimizing Miller is to jump on the Indians RH SP’ers . Not sure the Indians will use Merritt or not though, probably not if Salazar will pitch, but an 86 mph is probably not worrisome to LHB’ers, gives them more time to adjust to breaking stuff
The question is how ready he is to face MLB pitching. Thats something only the Cubs can know
There is zero doubt that Schwarber is one of the 25 best players available to the Cubs, layoff or no. If Schwarber is healthy, he belongs on their WS roster. The DH spot in the AL park is heaven sent for exactly this kind of scenario. Let the big boy take his hacks and see if he can catch lightning in a bottle. Again.
I’d like nothing better than to see Joe Maddon manage himself into a pretzel and be forced to play Schwarber in the OF, only to watch him flub a flyball into an XBH and turn the series. And the Cubs don’t make it back for another 71 yrs. Seriously, how great would that be?? I kid. The Cubs will prob be in the WS another half dozen times with this roster.