The Least-Deserving All-Star Game Starting Pitchers

Much of the time, the pitcher who starts the All-Star Game is very deserving, and is very obvious. It may not be the most-deserving pitcher mind you, but the selection is generally someone good enough that the selection is not worth arguing. This year is such a year: Both Max Scherzer and Matt Harvey rank second in their respective league in WAR, and are close enough to the front runners (Felix Hernandez and Adam Wainwright) as to make the differences negligible. But that hasn’t always been the case. Let’s take a trip down memory lane and look at some of the starting pitchers who weren’t quite as deserving.

Using our first half splits, which we have all the way back to 1974, we can see that — including this season — 54 of the 80 pitchers who started the All-Star Game ranked in the top five of their respective league in pitcher WAR. There were some who were not as deserving, though, at least according to how they ranked against their peers:

 

Lg Year Starter 1st Half WAR Lg Rnk #1 WAR Manager
AL 2007 D. Haren 3.0 6 Josh Beckett 3.4 J. Leyland
NL 2012 M. Cain 2.4 7 Zack Greinke 3.5 T. LaRussa
AL 2004 M. Mulder 2.9 7 Curt Schilling 4.7 J. Torre
AL 1994 J. Key 2.9 7 Roger Clemens 4.2 C. Gaston
NL 1986 D. Gooden 2.3 7 Mike Scott 4.6 W. Herzog
AL 1978 J. Palmer 2.6 7 Ron Guidry 4.5 B. Martin
AL 1975 V. Blue 2.7 7 Steve Busby 4.1 A. Dark
NL 1975 J. Reuss 2.7 7 Tom Seaver 4.6 W. Alston
NL 1985 L. Hoyt 2.4 8 Dwight Gooden 4.6 D. Williams
NL 2008 B. Sheets 2.5 9 Dan Haren 3.6 C. Hurdle
NL 1995 H. Nomo 2.1 9 Greg Maddux 4.0 F. Alou
NL 1993 T. Mulholland 2.8 10 Greg Maddux 3.8 B. Cox
NL 2006 B. Penny 2.4 11 Brandon Webb 4.1 P. Garner
AL 1991 J. Morris 2.2 11 Roger Clemens 5.2 T. LaRussa
AL 1976 M. Fidrych 2.0 11 Bert Blyleven 3.6 D. Johnson
AL 1989 D. Stewart 2.2 13 Mark Gubicza 5.0 T. LaRussa
AL 1985 J. Morris 2.4 13 Bert Blyleven 4.2 S. Anderson
AL 1981 J. Morris 1.3 14 Len Barker 3.0 J. Frey
AL 2010 D. Price 2.0 17 Francisco Liriano 4.0 J. Girardi
NL 1977 D. Sutton 1.8 19 Steve Rogers 4.4 S. Anderson
AL 1998 D. Wells 1.8 23 Bartolo Colon 3.5 M. Hargrove
AL 1977 J. Palmer 1.8 25 Dennis Leonard 4.5 B. Martin
AL 2006 K. Rogers 1.4 40 Jeremy Bonderman 4.2 O. Guillen
AL 1980 S. Stone 1.1 47 Jon Matlack 3.2 E. Weaver
NL 1984 C. Lea 0.8 49 Dwight Gooden 4.1 P. Owens
AL 1990 B. Welch 0.6 66 Roger Clemens 4.1 T. LaRussa

A few things jump out right away:

— The manager who most frequently picked someone who wasn’t a top-five pitcher, in terms of WAR, was Tony La Russa. I’ll allow a few seconds for you to register your shock. Twice, he chose one of his own pitchers (in another, less egregious example, he also picked Chris Carpenter over Pedro Martinez. In 1990, he made the single most egregious choice, when he picked Bob Welch over Roger Clemens. Welch would go on to win the American League Cy Young Award that season, on the strength of his otherworldly, but hollow, 27-6 record. Welch starting the Midsummer Classic no doubt helped strengthen the myth of his greatness.

— Speaking of the myth of greatness, we see that sabermetric whipping boy Jack Morris pops up three times here as undeserving. Morris started the game three times, and on each occasion he was no better than the 11th-best pitcher in the AL. It wasn’t always a case of Morris even having better superficial stats either. In 1981, he was 9-3 with a 2.56 ERA. Ken Forsch was also 9-3, but he had a better WAR and also a better ERA, at 2.27. Len Barker, who led the AL in WAR in that first half, had a 2.08 ERA. In 1985, Morris was 10-6 with a 3.04 ERA. That hardly compared to some of his competitors who bettered him in WAR, such as Bret Saberhagen (10-4, 2.78), Ron Guidry (12-3, 2.58) and Dave Stieb (9-5, 1.87). The situation was similar in 1991 — Clemens was 11-5 with a 2.22 ERA, while Morris was 11-6 with a 3.65 ERA. In 1981 and 1091, the Tigers were barely above .500 at the break. Bottom line: Dudes just liked Jack Morris, statistics be damned.

— Clemens was frequently bypassed. He entered the break leading the AL in WAR in seven different seasons, though he only started the game in one of those seven years. He started on two other occasions, and ironically,he ranked fifth in those two years.

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Of course, there’s another way to look at this: Just because a pitcher wasn’t in his top five in his respective league’s WAR doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good selection. For instance, Dan Haren ranked sixth in the AL in WAR in 2007, but he was still a mere .4 WAR behind Josh Beckett.

But what about the bigger WAR gaps between the starter and the WAR league-leader?

 

Lg Year Starter 1st Half WAR Lg Rnk #1 WAR Diff Manager
AL 1990 B. Welch 0.6 66 Roger Clemens 4.1 3.5 T. LaRussa
AL 1988 F. Viola 3.6 2 Roger Clemens 6.9 3.3 T. Kelly
NL 1984 C. Lea 0.8 49 Dwight Gooden 4.1 3.3 P. Owens
AL 1991 J. Morris 2.2 11 Roger Clemens 5.2 3.0 T. LaRussa
AL 2006 K. Rogers 1.4 40 Jeremy Bonderman 4.2 2.8 O. Guillen
AL 1989 D. Stewart 2.2 13 Mark Gubicza 5 2.8 T. LaRussa
AL 1977 J. Palmer 1.8 25 Dennis Leonard 4.5 2.7 B. Martin
NL 1977 D. Sutton 1.8 19 Steve Rogers 4.4 2.6 S. Anderson
NL 1986 D. Gooden 2.3 7 Mike Scott 4.6 2.3 W. Herzog
AL 2001 R. Clemens 3.2 5 Pedro Martinez 5.4 2.2 J. Torre
NL 1985 L. Hoyt 2.4 8 Dwight Gooden 4.6 2.2 D. Williams
AL 1980 S. Stone 1.1 47 Jon Matlack 3.2 2.1 E. Weaver
NL 1999 C. Schilling 3.4 3 Randy Johnson 5.4 2.0 B. Bochy
AL 2010 D. Price 2.0 17 Francisco Liriano 4 2.0 J. Girardi
NL 1995 H. Nomo 2.1 9 Greg Maddux 4 1.9 F. Alou
AL 1978 J. Palmer 2.6 7 Ron Guidry 4.5 1.9 B. Martin
NL 1975 J. Reuss 2.7 7 Tom Seaver 4.6 1.9 W. Alston
AL 2004 M. Mulder 2.9 7 Curt Schilling 4.7 1.8 J. Torre
AL 1985 J. Morris 2.4 13 Bert Blyleven 4.2 1.8 S. Anderson
NL 1982 S. Rogers 3.1 5 Steve Carlton 4.9 1.8 T. Lasorda
NL 2004 R. Clemens 2.7 5 Randy Johnson 4.4 1.7 J. McKeon
AL 1998 D. Wells 1.8 23 Bartolo Colon 3.5 1.7 M. Hargrove
AL 1981 J. Morris 1.3 14 Len Barker 3 1.7 J. Frey
AL 2009 R. Halladay 3.9 3 Zack Greinke 5.6 1.7 J. Maddon
NL 2006 B. Penny 2.4 11 Brandon Webb 4.1 1.7 P. Garner
AL 1976 M. Fidrych 2 11 Bert Blyleven 3.6 1.6 D. Johnson

These were the biggest gaps. Twenty of the 80 were the actual league leaders in WAR. Of the remaining 60, 27 were within 1 WAR, and 34 were within 1.5 WAR. The other 26 you see above.

— Again, a stark picture is painted of La Russa’s failings. He committed three of the five most egregious offenses.

— We also see Clemens as the spurned ace who deserved to start. The three biggest gaps were between Clemens and another player. This was actually not all that uncommon. With a few different pitchers, the pattern seemed to be  they would get their All-Star Game start, and then be passed over in subsequent years. Whether it was  they didn’t want the honor, were injured or were simply bypassed to give someone new a turn, this phenomenon wasn’t isolated to Clemens. Steve Carlton started in 1979, and  watched four others start ahead of him, even though he led the NL in WAR heading into the break. Greg Maddux led the NL in WAR at the break from 1992 to 1997, but he only started the 1994 and 1997 games. He got another start in 1998, though he was just shy of first that season. Pedro Martinez started in 1999, when he led the league in WAR with an otherworldly 7.3. He then led his respective league in first-half WAR in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2005 — but he didn’t start any of those contests. Clemens got the nod in 1986 when he led the AL, but despite leading the league again in 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1994, he didn’t get any of those starts. In fact, in ’94 he wasn’t even named to the All-Star team.

Looking closely at both lists, we see  most of the same names populate them. No matter which way you choose to look at it, several of these starters were simply unworthy. Those who end up on both lists are:

Lg Year A.L. Starter
NL 2006 B. Penny
AL 1990 B. Welch
NL 1984 C. Lea
NL 1986 D. Gooden
AL 2010 D. Price
AL 1989 D. Stewart
NL 1977 D. Sutton
AL 1998 D. Wells
NL 1995 H. Nomo
AL 1991 J. Morris
AL 1985 J. Morris
AL 1981 J. Morris
AL 1978 J. Palmer
AL 1977 J. Palmer
NL 1975 J. Reuss
AL 2006 K. Rogers
NL 1985 L. Hoyt
AL 1976 M. Fidrych
AL 2004 M. Mulder
AL 1980 S. Stone
AL 1975 V. Blue

Eighteen pitchers are listed 21 times, with Morris being king of the undeserving and Welch being the most egregious error in terms of both rank and difference. What’s interesting is just how many stellar pitchers are on this list. Guys like David Price, Dwight Gooden, Jim Palmer and Don Sutton stick out, in particular.

When choosing a pitcher to start the game, there are often extenuating circumstances beyond who is the most deserving. The Sunday rule gives an out to many pitchers, including Wainwright this season. And, of course, evaluating by WAR isn’t the only way to decide the best pitcher was in the first half. There are plenty of other metrics from which to choose. But no matter what metric is chosen beyond simple wins and losses, there’s simply no way Welch or Kenny Rogers ends up as a deserving candidate to start an All-Star Game.

Starting an All-Star Game is an honor, and no doubt Scherzer and Harvey are excellent choices. In fact, the choices have been better in recent years: Counting 2013, eight of the last 10 starters were ranked in their respective league’s top five, and four of them ranked No. 1 . Hopefully things stay this way, because in the past they certainly weren’t, and the people who suffer the most are those in the game itself. The All-Star Game may be meaningless in terms of who wins the Fall Classic, but in October, the eyes of the nation are spread out among football, basketball, hockey and baseball. The Midsummer Classic is the time when baseball has the stage  to itself, and it must continue to put its best foot forward in the hopes of growing the game among casual fans.

Finally, because I love you, here’s the whole stats dump.

 

Year AL Starter 1st Half WAR Lg Rnk #1 WAR Diff AL Manager
2013 M. Scherzer 4.0 2 Felix Hernandez 4.2 0.2 J. Leyland
2012 J. Verlander 3.9 1 R. Washington
2011 J. Weaver 4.9 1 R. Washington
2010 D. Price 2.0 17 Francisco Liriano 4 2.0 J. Girardi
2009 R. Halladay 3.9 3 Zack Greinke 5.6 1.7 J. Maddon
2008 C. Lee 4.6 1 T. Francona
2007 D. Haren 3 6 Josh Beckett 3.4 0.4 J. Leyland
2006 K. Rogers 1.4 40 Jeremy Bonderman 4.2 2.8 O. Guillen
2005 M. Buehrle 4.2 1 T. Francona
2004 M. Mulder 2.9 7 Curt Schilling 4.7 1.8 J. Torre
2003 E. Loaiza 3.8 3 Pedro Martinez 4.1 0.3 M. Scioscia
2002 D. Lowe 3.3 3 Pedro Martinez 4.3 1.0 J. Torre
2001 R. Clemens 3.2 5 Pedro Martinez 5.4 2.2 J. Torre
2000 D. Wells 4.3 2 Pedro Martinez 4.4 0.1 J. Torre
1999 P. Martinez 7.3 1 J. Torre
1998 D. Wells 1.8 23 Bartolo Colon 3.5 1.7 M. Hargrove
1997 R. Johnson 3.8 2 Roger Clemens 5.1 1.3 J. Torre
1996 C. Nagy 2.7 4 Kevin Appier 3.3 0.6 M. Hargrove
1995 R. Johnson 4.7 1 B. Showalter
1994 J. Key 2.9 7 Roger Clemens 4.2 1.3 C. Gaston
1993 M. Langston 3.7 2 Kevin Appier 3.7 0.0 C. Gaston
1992 K. Brown 4.2 3 Roger Clemens 5 0.8 T. Kelly
1991 J. Morris 2.2 11 Roger Clemens 5.2 3.0 T. LaRussa
1990 B. Welch 0.6 66 Roger Clemens 4.1 3.5 T. LaRussa
1989 D. Stewart 2.2 13 Mark Gubicza 5 2.8 T. LaRussa
1988 F. Viola 3.6 2 Roger Clemens 6.9 3.3 T. Kelly
1987 B. Saberhagen 4 1 J. McNamara
1986 R. Clemens 4.2 1 D. Howser
1985 J. Morris 2.4 13 Bert Blyleven 4.2 1.8 S. Anderson
1984 D. Stieb 3 2 Phil Niekro 3.6 0.6 J. Altobelli
1983 D. Stieb 3.1 5 La Marr Hoyt 3.6 0.5 H. Kuenn
1982 D. Eckersley 2.9 3 Len Barker 3.5 0.6 B. Martin
1981 J. Morris 1.3 14 Len Barker 3 1.7 J. Frey
1980 S. Stone 1.1 47 Jon Matlack 3.2 2.1 E. Weaver
1979 N. Ryan 4.6 1 B. Lemon
1978 J. Palmer 2.6 7 Ron Guidry 4.5 1.9 B. Martin
1977 J. Palmer 1.8 25 Dennis Leonard 4.5 2.7 B. Martin
1976 M. Fidrych 2 11 Bert Blyleven 3.6 1.6 D. Johnson
1975 V. Blue 2.7 7 Steve Busby 4.1 1.4 A. Dark
1974 G. Perry 5.1 1 D. Williams

Other assorted thoughts:
— If you asked me to pick  one manager who correctly named his league’s respective WAR leader in both of his stints as manager, I definitely would choose Ron Washington. Neither guy was from his team. Impressive.
— Pedro in 1999. That’s an MVP-caliber season in half a season, and in one of the highest offense seasons of all-time. Just don’t tell George King or LeVelle Neal III.
— Jeremy Bonderman’s fall from grace was fast and furious.

Year NL Starter 1st Half WAR Lg Rnk #1 WAR Diff NL Manager
2013 M. Harvey 4.2 2 Adam Wainwright 4.5 0.3 B. Bochy
2012 M. Cain 2.4 7 Zack Greinke 3.5 1.1 T. LaRussa
2011 R. Halladay 4.9 1 B. Bochy
2010 U. Jimenez 3.7 3 Josh Johnson 4.4 0.7 C. Manuel
2009 T. Lincecum 4.8 1 C. Manuel
2008 B. Sheets 2.5 9 Dan Haren 3.6 1.1 C. Hurdle
2007 J. Peavy 3.7 1 T. LaRussa
2006 B. Penny 2.4 11 Brandon Webb 4.1 1.7 P. Garner
2005 C. Carpenter 3.5 4 Pedro Martinez 4.4 0.9 T. LaRussa
2004 R. Clemens 2.7 5 Randy Johnson 4.4 1.7 J. McKeon
2003 J. Schmidt 4 2 Mark Prior 4 0.0 D. Baker
2002 C. Schilling 5.4 1 B. Brenly
2001 R. Johnson 4.9 1 B. Valentine
2000 R. Johnson 5.9 1 B. Cox
1999 C. Schilling 3.4 3 Randy Johnson 5.4 2.0 B. Bochy
1998 G. Maddux 5.1 2 Curt Schilling 5.3 0.2 J. Leyland
1997 G. Maddux 4.5 1 B. Cox
1996 J. Smoltz 4.3 2 Greg Maddux 5.1 0.8 B. Cox
1995 H. Nomo 2.1 9 Greg Maddux 4 1.9 F. Alou
1994 G. Maddux 5.2 1 J. Fregosi
1993 T. Mulholland 2.8 10 Greg Maddux 3.8 1.0 B. Cox
1992 T. Glavine 3.3 2 Greg Maddux 4.1 0.8 B. Cox
1991 T. Glavine 3.8 1 L. Piniella
1990 J. Armstrong 2.9 3 Frank Viola 3.4 0.5 R. Craig
1989 R. Reuschel 2.3 5 John Smoltz 2.8 0.5 T. Lasorda
1988 D. Gooden 3.1 1 W. Herzog
1987 M. Scott 3.6 2 Orel Hershiser 4.1 0.5 D. Johnson
1986 D. Gooden 2.3 7 Mike Scott 4.6 2.3 W. Herzog
1985 L. Hoyt 2.4 8 Dwight Gooden 4.6 2.2 D. Williams
1984 C. Lea 0.8 49 Dwight Gooden 4.1 3.3 P. Owens
1983 M. Soto 2.9 3 Steve Carlton 4.2 1.3 W. Herzog
1982 S. Rogers 3.1 5 Steve Carlton 4.9 1.8 T. Lasorda
1981 F. Valenzuela 2.8 2 Steve Carlton 3 0.2 D. Green
1980 J. Richard 3.5 2 Steve Carlton 4.7 1.2 C. Tanner
1979 S. Carlton 2.8 4 J.R. Richard 3.6 0.8 T. Lasorda
1978 V. Blue 3.4 2 Phil Niekro 4.3 0.9 T. Lasorda
1977 D. Sutton 1.8 19 Steve Rogers 4.4 2.6 S. Anderson
1976 R. Jones 2.7 4 Tom Seaver 3.7 1.0 S. Anderson
1975 J. Reuss 2.7 7 Tom Seaver 4.6 1.9 W. Alston
1974 A. Messersmith 3.7 3 Jon Matlack 4.1 0.4 Y. Berra

Other assorted thoughts:
— Harvey’s season is actually 10th best among National League All-Star Game starters. Not too shabby. Maybe next year people will know what he looks like.
— Only Stieb started back-to-back games in this period for the American League; in the NL, there have been three repeat starters: Glavine, Johnson and Maddux.





Paul Swydan used to be the managing editor of The Hardball Times, a writer and editor for FanGraphs and a writer for Boston.com and The Boston Globe. Now, he owns The Silver Unicorn Bookstore, an independent bookstore in Acton, Mass. Follow him on Twitter @Swydan. Follow the store @SilUnicornActon.

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chrstn41
13 years ago

William II probably should have started in 1091, considering his conquest of Normandy.

Baltar
13 years ago
Reply to  chrstn41

Oh, come on. That was way back in 1066. He was 15 years past his peak in 1091.

Well-Beered Englishman
13 years ago

Interesting to me that Dan Haren is on both sides of the table in succeeding years, 2007 and 2008.

Dave
13 years ago

Francona also picked the overall leader in both of his stints as manager.

Dylan
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave

And neither guy was the flashiest potential choice. I’d say Halladay would probably have been a more popular choice in both years.

JayT
13 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Cliff Lee was a bit of a no-brainer that year since he had so much press for his hot start, but the Buehrle choice is pretty impressive.

Nick
13 years ago

1091->1991, and he was a Twin in 91, not a Tiger.

Anon
13 years ago

How does this look using RA9 or bWAR?

Also, Harvey is #1 available since Wainwright pitched on Sunday.

MikeS
13 years ago

I can’t stand TLR either. Bad person. Hate the changes he made to the game. But he’s a hall of fame manager any way you slice it. So to talk about his “failings” in an exhibition game strikes me as a bit petty.

Guest
13 years ago

In 1990 Bob Welch is 13-3 w/ a 2.91 ERA before the all star break worth only .6 WAR.

I guess replacement level starting pitching must be really good.

Or your stat sucks.

Cy Young 27 wins

olethrosMember since 2020
13 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Criticizing managers for not using a stat that didn’t exist when they didn’t use it strikes me as foolish. It’s like saying Paul Revere was an idiot because he didn’t just text his warning.

Baltar
13 years ago
Reply to  olethros

My feelings exactly. This was a silly article.

rccb
13 years ago
Reply to  olethros

Are you actually dumb enough to think the point of this post is that these managers should have used WAR to decide which pitchers should start?

CptSpandex
13 years ago
Reply to  Paul Swydan

I agree with both of you on this one. Gone are the days of evaluating pitchers based on wins alone, or wins, and innings, and ERA. This happened a lot back then. Which is why Felix Hernandez’s 201 Cy Young awared is universally hailed as a turning point for not merely sabermetricians, but even those that use advanced metrics to discriminate over-inflated won-lost records.

CptSpandex
13 years ago
Reply to  CptSpandex

Now I did it…. “2010” please…. *sigh*

pitnick
13 years ago
Reply to  Paul Swydan

Not a great comparison. K rates have skyrocketed over the last 20 years.

Also worth noting that Welch outperformed his FIP for his career by a not-insubstantial .25 runs.

Joel
13 years ago
Reply to  Paul Swydan

Well, I think this cuts to the heart of the matter.

Looking forward, advanced metrics like WAR are great predictors of future performance. But for me, the all-star game isn’t about future performance, it’s about performance for the season so far. And ultimately that boils down to innings pitched and runs allowed. Sure, you’ll get guys who skated by on luck, but who cares? It’s rarely more than one or two players in a given season.

JayT
13 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Of course, Roger Clemens was 12-4 with a 2.59 ERA. Does one extra win trump the fact that Clemens’ ERA was a third of a run lower, and the fact that he actually had strikeouts? Clemens had 120 Ks versus Welch’s 58.

Chris
13 years ago
Reply to  Guest

WAR for pitchers is a good predicative tool, but it’s not as good for actually evaluating performance. Ultimately, a pitcher’s performance is getting people out and avoiding runs. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a strikeout or not. I honestly thing ERA and innings pitched would be far better metrics to make this decision (with K/BB/HR being tiebreakers).

Jason B
13 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Innings pitched?! Hmmm. Your ideas intrigue me and I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Ian R.
13 years ago
Reply to  Chris

ERA and innings pitched. Okay.

Clemens at the break: 135.2 IP, 2.59 ERA
Welch at the break: 123.2 IP, 2.91 ERA

Tiebreakers:
Clemens: 120 K/35 BB/7 HR
Welch: 58 K/39 BB/14 HR

I’m not sure if you’re actually arguing for Welch v. Clemens or just making a general point about WAR, but the point is that even by metrics that were available at the time, the better pitcher by WAR was also the better pitcher, period.

hildebeast21Member since 2019
13 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I hope, for your (unborn?) children’s sake, that whatever compelled you to post that isn’t hereditary…

Hurtlockertwo
13 years ago

I never thought the best pitcher in the league had to be the starter? I’ve always thought the starting pitcher was more of a popular choice, a sign of the times.

CptSpandex
13 years ago

I stopped reading once I saw the egregious error of placing Jack Morris on the 1991 Tigers team and not the 1991 Twins team. How dare you!

CptSpandex
13 years ago
Reply to  Paul Swydan

This Twins fan forgives you and takes little solace in the fact that his team is not a headline franchise, therefore not everyone is as deeply rooted in Homer Hanky history as he is.

John
13 years ago
Reply to  CptSpandex

What is missed in this article (it is obviously out of scope) is the context around some of these selections. For example, in 1991 it was actually Scott Erickson from the Twins who was in line to get the All Star game start. He was 12-3 w/ a 1.83 ERA at the break, but had arm trouble leading into the break and was not available. I don’t know what his mid-seasons WAR was, but after he came back his season kind of fell apart, although his 20 wins did give him a Cy Young runner up.

CptSpandex
13 years ago

This, of course, is breaking news: Not all All-Star game starters are deserving of that pedestal!

Steve
13 years ago

I know it is kind of ridiculous, but can you pull the stats the starters actually put up in the game? I assume with Morris’s will to win, he probably never gave up a hit.

Radivel
13 years ago
Reply to  Steve

If the score is 0-0 in the top of the 1st, you better believe Jack Morris is the pitcher to have on the mound because there isn’t anyone else who knows how to pitch to a 0-0 score like he does.

Gary Mugford
13 years ago

Did this article take into account actual availability of the various starters? For example, if Roger Clemens started on Sunday for his team of the moment, not being able to pitch on the Tuesday of the All-Star Game is a valid excuse for not naming him the starter. An inning or a batter? Sure. But not the starter, who ‘generally’ is expected to pitch a couple of innings, or going against most of the starting batting order from the opposing league. And, given the pool depletion of Sunday-game starters, could that be a big reason for many of the ‘surprise’ starters?

Anon
13 years ago
Reply to  Gary Mugford

No. Wainwright was not available this year, but Harvey is listed as 2nd in the tables.

Jon L.
13 years ago

The tendency for guys who are consistently the best pitcher to often be overlooked as the all-star starter looks a lot like the tendency to overlook all-time great players in the MVP voting. Having Clemens start every year wouldn’t have been much fun – particularly when he was just having an “ordinary” Clemens season – just like it would have taken the fun out of the MVP award if they gave it to Willie Mays every year.

MNzach
13 years ago

RE: LeVelle E. Neal III

Without the appropriate knowledge I would still wager that the Twins’ beat writer knows less about the game of baseball than any other team’s. He is legitimately cluess about the sport he gets paid to cover.

If you’ve ever heard Barreiro (similarily clueless) rant about the local 9 with Neal III on KFAN you’d know what I was talking about.

X
13 years ago

Lol, a 27-6 record hollow???? Not buying that for a second.

DNA+
13 years ago

How bizarre is it to look back in history and criticize in some cases Hall of Fame managers for not choosing ASG starters based on a stat that a) didn’t exist, b) is not widely accepted even today as a good way to evaluate pitchers, and c) presupposes that the ASG starter, in all cases, has to be the “best” pitcher in the league.

If anything, what this exercise demonstrates is that ASG managers don’t care about fWAR, nor whatever it is you think fWAR measures. They are very clearly using other information to inform their decisions. That doesn’t make them wrong, or undeserving, it just makes them nuanced.

For example, Matt Harvey started last night, not because of his fWAR, he started because he was the hometown player. Do you think if this ASG was played in Los Angeles or Philadelphia that a rookie would have been starting?

Astro Villain
13 years ago
Reply to  DNA+

Kershaw probably would have started if the game were played in LA, but Wainwright, Harvey, and Kershaw are clearly the best pitchers in the league. He started because he has that reputation now.

KyleMember since 2024
13 years ago

Is it possible some managers are choosing based not only on the current season’s performance, but also on prior history?

Obviously the overvaluing of wins is the biggest culprit in most snubs, but maybe past history and reputation is a factor as well.

Jeff
13 years ago

A column that should be added is the ballpark that the game is taking place in. To me, it makes sense if a manager picks someone who is at their home park (or city), like Harvey this year.

BurleighGrimes
13 years ago

I will forever be irritated that LaRussa decided to start Matt Cain over R.A. Dickey in 2012 cuz he was worried that Posey would have trouble with the knuckler. It’s not only that R.A. was better, but also that it’s just SO LARUSSA to overmanage and insert himself into every damn thing, including an exhibition game. Like, he wanted us to remember one last time what a puppetmaster genius he is. ARGH.