The Least-Deserving All-Star Game Starting Pitchers
Much of the time, the pitcher who starts the All-Star Game is very deserving, and is very obvious. It may not be the most-deserving pitcher mind you, but the selection is generally someone good enough that the selection is not worth arguing. This year is such a year: Both Max Scherzer and Matt Harvey rank second in their respective league in WAR, and are close enough to the front runners (Felix Hernandez and Adam Wainwright) as to make the differences negligible. But that hasn’t always been the case. Let’s take a trip down memory lane and look at some of the starting pitchers who weren’t quite as deserving.
Using our first half splits, which we have all the way back to 1974, we can see that — including this season — 54 of the 80 pitchers who started the All-Star Game ranked in the top five of their respective league in pitcher WAR. There were some who were not as deserving, though, at least according to how they ranked against their peers:
| Lg | Year | Starter | 1st Half WAR | Lg Rnk | #1 | WAR | Manager |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AL | 2007 | D. Haren | 3.0 | 6 | Josh Beckett | 3.4 | J. Leyland |
| NL | 2012 | M. Cain | 2.4 | 7 | Zack Greinke | 3.5 | T. LaRussa |
| AL | 2004 | M. Mulder | 2.9 | 7 | Curt Schilling | 4.7 | J. Torre |
| AL | 1994 | J. Key | 2.9 | 7 | Roger Clemens | 4.2 | C. Gaston |
| NL | 1986 | D. Gooden | 2.3 | 7 | Mike Scott | 4.6 | W. Herzog |
| AL | 1978 | J. Palmer | 2.6 | 7 | Ron Guidry | 4.5 | B. Martin |
| AL | 1975 | V. Blue | 2.7 | 7 | Steve Busby | 4.1 | A. Dark |
| NL | 1975 | J. Reuss | 2.7 | 7 | Tom Seaver | 4.6 | W. Alston |
| NL | 1985 | L. Hoyt | 2.4 | 8 | Dwight Gooden | 4.6 | D. Williams |
| NL | 2008 | B. Sheets | 2.5 | 9 | Dan Haren | 3.6 | C. Hurdle |
| NL | 1995 | H. Nomo | 2.1 | 9 | Greg Maddux | 4.0 | F. Alou |
| NL | 1993 | T. Mulholland | 2.8 | 10 | Greg Maddux | 3.8 | B. Cox |
| NL | 2006 | B. Penny | 2.4 | 11 | Brandon Webb | 4.1 | P. Garner |
| AL | 1991 | J. Morris | 2.2 | 11 | Roger Clemens | 5.2 | T. LaRussa |
| AL | 1976 | M. Fidrych | 2.0 | 11 | Bert Blyleven | 3.6 | D. Johnson |
| AL | 1989 | D. Stewart | 2.2 | 13 | Mark Gubicza | 5.0 | T. LaRussa |
| AL | 1985 | J. Morris | 2.4 | 13 | Bert Blyleven | 4.2 | S. Anderson |
| AL | 1981 | J. Morris | 1.3 | 14 | Len Barker | 3.0 | J. Frey |
| AL | 2010 | D. Price | 2.0 | 17 | Francisco Liriano | 4.0 | J. Girardi |
| NL | 1977 | D. Sutton | 1.8 | 19 | Steve Rogers | 4.4 | S. Anderson |
| AL | 1998 | D. Wells | 1.8 | 23 | Bartolo Colon | 3.5 | M. Hargrove |
| AL | 1977 | J. Palmer | 1.8 | 25 | Dennis Leonard | 4.5 | B. Martin |
| AL | 2006 | K. Rogers | 1.4 | 40 | Jeremy Bonderman | 4.2 | O. Guillen |
| AL | 1980 | S. Stone | 1.1 | 47 | Jon Matlack | 3.2 | E. Weaver |
| NL | 1984 | C. Lea | 0.8 | 49 | Dwight Gooden | 4.1 | P. Owens |
| AL | 1990 | B. Welch | 0.6 | 66 | Roger Clemens | 4.1 | T. LaRussa |
A few things jump out right away:
— The manager who most frequently picked someone who wasn’t a top-five pitcher, in terms of WAR, was Tony La Russa. I’ll allow a few seconds for you to register your shock. Twice, he chose one of his own pitchers (in another, less egregious example, he also picked Chris Carpenter over Pedro Martinez. In 1990, he made the single most egregious choice, when he picked Bob Welch over Roger Clemens. Welch would go on to win the American League Cy Young Award that season, on the strength of his otherworldly, but hollow, 27-6 record. Welch starting the Midsummer Classic no doubt helped strengthen the myth of his greatness.
— Speaking of the myth of greatness, we see that sabermetric whipping boy Jack Morris pops up three times here as undeserving. Morris started the game three times, and on each occasion he was no better than the 11th-best pitcher in the AL. It wasn’t always a case of Morris even having better superficial stats either. In 1981, he was 9-3 with a 2.56 ERA. Ken Forsch was also 9-3, but he had a better WAR and also a better ERA, at 2.27. Len Barker, who led the AL in WAR in that first half, had a 2.08 ERA. In 1985, Morris was 10-6 with a 3.04 ERA. That hardly compared to some of his competitors who bettered him in WAR, such as Bret Saberhagen (10-4, 2.78), Ron Guidry (12-3, 2.58) and Dave Stieb (9-5, 1.87). The situation was similar in 1991 — Clemens was 11-5 with a 2.22 ERA, while Morris was 11-6 with a 3.65 ERA. In 1981 and 1091, the Tigers were barely above .500 at the break. Bottom line: Dudes just liked Jack Morris, statistics be damned.
— Clemens was frequently bypassed. He entered the break leading the AL in WAR in seven different seasons, though he only started the game in one of those seven years. He started on two other occasions, and ironically,he ranked fifth in those two years.
Of course, there’s another way to look at this: Just because a pitcher wasn’t in his top five in his respective league’s WAR doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good selection. For instance, Dan Haren ranked sixth in the AL in WAR in 2007, but he was still a mere .4 WAR behind Josh Beckett.
But what about the bigger WAR gaps between the starter and the WAR league-leader?
| Lg | Year | Starter | 1st Half WAR | Lg Rnk | #1 | WAR | Diff | Manager |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AL | 1990 | B. Welch | 0.6 | 66 | Roger Clemens | 4.1 | 3.5 | T. LaRussa |
| AL | 1988 | F. Viola | 3.6 | 2 | Roger Clemens | 6.9 | 3.3 | T. Kelly |
| NL | 1984 | C. Lea | 0.8 | 49 | Dwight Gooden | 4.1 | 3.3 | P. Owens |
| AL | 1991 | J. Morris | 2.2 | 11 | Roger Clemens | 5.2 | 3.0 | T. LaRussa |
| AL | 2006 | K. Rogers | 1.4 | 40 | Jeremy Bonderman | 4.2 | 2.8 | O. Guillen |
| AL | 1989 | D. Stewart | 2.2 | 13 | Mark Gubicza | 5 | 2.8 | T. LaRussa |
| AL | 1977 | J. Palmer | 1.8 | 25 | Dennis Leonard | 4.5 | 2.7 | B. Martin |
| NL | 1977 | D. Sutton | 1.8 | 19 | Steve Rogers | 4.4 | 2.6 | S. Anderson |
| NL | 1986 | D. Gooden | 2.3 | 7 | Mike Scott | 4.6 | 2.3 | W. Herzog |
| AL | 2001 | R. Clemens | 3.2 | 5 | Pedro Martinez | 5.4 | 2.2 | J. Torre |
| NL | 1985 | L. Hoyt | 2.4 | 8 | Dwight Gooden | 4.6 | 2.2 | D. Williams |
| AL | 1980 | S. Stone | 1.1 | 47 | Jon Matlack | 3.2 | 2.1 | E. Weaver |
| NL | 1999 | C. Schilling | 3.4 | 3 | Randy Johnson | 5.4 | 2.0 | B. Bochy |
| AL | 2010 | D. Price | 2.0 | 17 | Francisco Liriano | 4 | 2.0 | J. Girardi |
| NL | 1995 | H. Nomo | 2.1 | 9 | Greg Maddux | 4 | 1.9 | F. Alou |
| AL | 1978 | J. Palmer | 2.6 | 7 | Ron Guidry | 4.5 | 1.9 | B. Martin |
| NL | 1975 | J. Reuss | 2.7 | 7 | Tom Seaver | 4.6 | 1.9 | W. Alston |
| AL | 2004 | M. Mulder | 2.9 | 7 | Curt Schilling | 4.7 | 1.8 | J. Torre |
| AL | 1985 | J. Morris | 2.4 | 13 | Bert Blyleven | 4.2 | 1.8 | S. Anderson |
| NL | 1982 | S. Rogers | 3.1 | 5 | Steve Carlton | 4.9 | 1.8 | T. Lasorda |
| NL | 2004 | R. Clemens | 2.7 | 5 | Randy Johnson | 4.4 | 1.7 | J. McKeon |
| AL | 1998 | D. Wells | 1.8 | 23 | Bartolo Colon | 3.5 | 1.7 | M. Hargrove |
| AL | 1981 | J. Morris | 1.3 | 14 | Len Barker | 3 | 1.7 | J. Frey |
| AL | 2009 | R. Halladay | 3.9 | 3 | Zack Greinke | 5.6 | 1.7 | J. Maddon |
| NL | 2006 | B. Penny | 2.4 | 11 | Brandon Webb | 4.1 | 1.7 | P. Garner |
| AL | 1976 | M. Fidrych | 2 | 11 | Bert Blyleven | 3.6 | 1.6 | D. Johnson |
These were the biggest gaps. Twenty of the 80 were the actual league leaders in WAR. Of the remaining 60, 27 were within 1 WAR, and 34 were within 1.5 WAR. The other 26 you see above.
— Again, a stark picture is painted of La Russa’s failings. He committed three of the five most egregious offenses.
— We also see Clemens as the spurned ace who deserved to start. The three biggest gaps were between Clemens and another player. This was actually not all that uncommon. With a few different pitchers, the pattern seemed to be they would get their All-Star Game start, and then be passed over in subsequent years. Whether it was they didn’t want the honor, were injured or were simply bypassed to give someone new a turn, this phenomenon wasn’t isolated to Clemens. Steve Carlton started in 1979, and watched four others start ahead of him, even though he led the NL in WAR heading into the break. Greg Maddux led the NL in WAR at the break from 1992 to 1997, but he only started the 1994 and 1997 games. He got another start in 1998, though he was just shy of first that season. Pedro Martinez started in 1999, when he led the league in WAR with an otherworldly 7.3. He then led his respective league in first-half WAR in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2005 — but he didn’t start any of those contests. Clemens got the nod in 1986 when he led the AL, but despite leading the league again in 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1994, he didn’t get any of those starts. In fact, in ’94 he wasn’t even named to the All-Star team.
Looking closely at both lists, we see most of the same names populate them. No matter which way you choose to look at it, several of these starters were simply unworthy. Those who end up on both lists are:
| Lg | Year | A.L. Starter |
|---|---|---|
| NL | 2006 | B. Penny |
| AL | 1990 | B. Welch |
| NL | 1984 | C. Lea |
| NL | 1986 | D. Gooden |
| AL | 2010 | D. Price |
| AL | 1989 | D. Stewart |
| NL | 1977 | D. Sutton |
| AL | 1998 | D. Wells |
| NL | 1995 | H. Nomo |
| AL | 1991 | J. Morris |
| AL | 1985 | J. Morris |
| AL | 1981 | J. Morris |
| AL | 1978 | J. Palmer |
| AL | 1977 | J. Palmer |
| NL | 1975 | J. Reuss |
| AL | 2006 | K. Rogers |
| NL | 1985 | L. Hoyt |
| AL | 1976 | M. Fidrych |
| AL | 2004 | M. Mulder |
| AL | 1980 | S. Stone |
| AL | 1975 | V. Blue |
Eighteen pitchers are listed 21 times, with Morris being king of the undeserving and Welch being the most egregious error in terms of both rank and difference. What’s interesting is just how many stellar pitchers are on this list. Guys like David Price, Dwight Gooden, Jim Palmer and Don Sutton stick out, in particular.
When choosing a pitcher to start the game, there are often extenuating circumstances beyond who is the most deserving. The Sunday rule gives an out to many pitchers, including Wainwright this season. And, of course, evaluating by WAR isn’t the only way to decide the best pitcher was in the first half. There are plenty of other metrics from which to choose. But no matter what metric is chosen beyond simple wins and losses, there’s simply no way Welch or Kenny Rogers ends up as a deserving candidate to start an All-Star Game.
Starting an All-Star Game is an honor, and no doubt Scherzer and Harvey are excellent choices. In fact, the choices have been better in recent years: Counting 2013, eight of the last 10 starters were ranked in their respective league’s top five, and four of them ranked No. 1 . Hopefully things stay this way, because in the past they certainly weren’t, and the people who suffer the most are those in the game itself. The All-Star Game may be meaningless in terms of who wins the Fall Classic, but in October, the eyes of the nation are spread out among football, basketball, hockey and baseball. The Midsummer Classic is the time when baseball has the stage to itself, and it must continue to put its best foot forward in the hopes of growing the game among casual fans.
Finally, because I love you, here’s the whole stats dump.
| Year | AL Starter | 1st Half WAR | Lg Rnk | #1 | WAR | Diff | AL Manager |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2013 | M. Scherzer | 4.0 | 2 | Felix Hernandez | 4.2 | 0.2 | J. Leyland |
| 2012 | J. Verlander | 3.9 | 1 | R. Washington | |||
| 2011 | J. Weaver | 4.9 | 1 | R. Washington | |||
| 2010 | D. Price | 2.0 | 17 | Francisco Liriano | 4 | 2.0 | J. Girardi |
| 2009 | R. Halladay | 3.9 | 3 | Zack Greinke | 5.6 | 1.7 | J. Maddon |
| 2008 | C. Lee | 4.6 | 1 | T. Francona | |||
| 2007 | D. Haren | 3 | 6 | Josh Beckett | 3.4 | 0.4 | J. Leyland |
| 2006 | K. Rogers | 1.4 | 40 | Jeremy Bonderman | 4.2 | 2.8 | O. Guillen |
| 2005 | M. Buehrle | 4.2 | 1 | T. Francona | |||
| 2004 | M. Mulder | 2.9 | 7 | Curt Schilling | 4.7 | 1.8 | J. Torre |
| 2003 | E. Loaiza | 3.8 | 3 | Pedro Martinez | 4.1 | 0.3 | M. Scioscia |
| 2002 | D. Lowe | 3.3 | 3 | Pedro Martinez | 4.3 | 1.0 | J. Torre |
| 2001 | R. Clemens | 3.2 | 5 | Pedro Martinez | 5.4 | 2.2 | J. Torre |
| 2000 | D. Wells | 4.3 | 2 | Pedro Martinez | 4.4 | 0.1 | J. Torre |
| 1999 | P. Martinez | 7.3 | 1 | J. Torre | |||
| 1998 | D. Wells | 1.8 | 23 | Bartolo Colon | 3.5 | 1.7 | M. Hargrove |
| 1997 | R. Johnson | 3.8 | 2 | Roger Clemens | 5.1 | 1.3 | J. Torre |
| 1996 | C. Nagy | 2.7 | 4 | Kevin Appier | 3.3 | 0.6 | M. Hargrove |
| 1995 | R. Johnson | 4.7 | 1 | B. Showalter | |||
| 1994 | J. Key | 2.9 | 7 | Roger Clemens | 4.2 | 1.3 | C. Gaston |
| 1993 | M. Langston | 3.7 | 2 | Kevin Appier | 3.7 | 0.0 | C. Gaston |
| 1992 | K. Brown | 4.2 | 3 | Roger Clemens | 5 | 0.8 | T. Kelly |
| 1991 | J. Morris | 2.2 | 11 | Roger Clemens | 5.2 | 3.0 | T. LaRussa |
| 1990 | B. Welch | 0.6 | 66 | Roger Clemens | 4.1 | 3.5 | T. LaRussa |
| 1989 | D. Stewart | 2.2 | 13 | Mark Gubicza | 5 | 2.8 | T. LaRussa |
| 1988 | F. Viola | 3.6 | 2 | Roger Clemens | 6.9 | 3.3 | T. Kelly |
| 1987 | B. Saberhagen | 4 | 1 | J. McNamara | |||
| 1986 | R. Clemens | 4.2 | 1 | D. Howser | |||
| 1985 | J. Morris | 2.4 | 13 | Bert Blyleven | 4.2 | 1.8 | S. Anderson |
| 1984 | D. Stieb | 3 | 2 | Phil Niekro | 3.6 | 0.6 | J. Altobelli |
| 1983 | D. Stieb | 3.1 | 5 | La Marr Hoyt | 3.6 | 0.5 | H. Kuenn |
| 1982 | D. Eckersley | 2.9 | 3 | Len Barker | 3.5 | 0.6 | B. Martin |
| 1981 | J. Morris | 1.3 | 14 | Len Barker | 3 | 1.7 | J. Frey |
| 1980 | S. Stone | 1.1 | 47 | Jon Matlack | 3.2 | 2.1 | E. Weaver |
| 1979 | N. Ryan | 4.6 | 1 | B. Lemon | |||
| 1978 | J. Palmer | 2.6 | 7 | Ron Guidry | 4.5 | 1.9 | B. Martin |
| 1977 | J. Palmer | 1.8 | 25 | Dennis Leonard | 4.5 | 2.7 | B. Martin |
| 1976 | M. Fidrych | 2 | 11 | Bert Blyleven | 3.6 | 1.6 | D. Johnson |
| 1975 | V. Blue | 2.7 | 7 | Steve Busby | 4.1 | 1.4 | A. Dark |
| 1974 | G. Perry | 5.1 | 1 | D. Williams |
Other assorted thoughts:
— If you asked me to pick one manager who correctly named his league’s respective WAR leader in both of his stints as manager, I definitely would choose Ron Washington. Neither guy was from his team. Impressive.
— Pedro in 1999. That’s an MVP-caliber season in half a season, and in one of the highest offense seasons of all-time. Just don’t tell George King or LeVelle Neal III.
— Jeremy Bonderman’s fall from grace was fast and furious.
| Year | NL Starter | 1st Half WAR | Lg Rnk | #1 | WAR | Diff | NL Manager |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2013 | M. Harvey | 4.2 | 2 | Adam Wainwright | 4.5 | 0.3 | B. Bochy |
| 2012 | M. Cain | 2.4 | 7 | Zack Greinke | 3.5 | 1.1 | T. LaRussa |
| 2011 | R. Halladay | 4.9 | 1 | B. Bochy | |||
| 2010 | U. Jimenez | 3.7 | 3 | Josh Johnson | 4.4 | 0.7 | C. Manuel |
| 2009 | T. Lincecum | 4.8 | 1 | C. Manuel | |||
| 2008 | B. Sheets | 2.5 | 9 | Dan Haren | 3.6 | 1.1 | C. Hurdle |
| 2007 | J. Peavy | 3.7 | 1 | T. LaRussa | |||
| 2006 | B. Penny | 2.4 | 11 | Brandon Webb | 4.1 | 1.7 | P. Garner |
| 2005 | C. Carpenter | 3.5 | 4 | Pedro Martinez | 4.4 | 0.9 | T. LaRussa |
| 2004 | R. Clemens | 2.7 | 5 | Randy Johnson | 4.4 | 1.7 | J. McKeon |
| 2003 | J. Schmidt | 4 | 2 | Mark Prior | 4 | 0.0 | D. Baker |
| 2002 | C. Schilling | 5.4 | 1 | B. Brenly | |||
| 2001 | R. Johnson | 4.9 | 1 | B. Valentine | |||
| 2000 | R. Johnson | 5.9 | 1 | B. Cox | |||
| 1999 | C. Schilling | 3.4 | 3 | Randy Johnson | 5.4 | 2.0 | B. Bochy |
| 1998 | G. Maddux | 5.1 | 2 | Curt Schilling | 5.3 | 0.2 | J. Leyland |
| 1997 | G. Maddux | 4.5 | 1 | B. Cox | |||
| 1996 | J. Smoltz | 4.3 | 2 | Greg Maddux | 5.1 | 0.8 | B. Cox |
| 1995 | H. Nomo | 2.1 | 9 | Greg Maddux | 4 | 1.9 | F. Alou |
| 1994 | G. Maddux | 5.2 | 1 | J. Fregosi | |||
| 1993 | T. Mulholland | 2.8 | 10 | Greg Maddux | 3.8 | 1.0 | B. Cox |
| 1992 | T. Glavine | 3.3 | 2 | Greg Maddux | 4.1 | 0.8 | B. Cox |
| 1991 | T. Glavine | 3.8 | 1 | L. Piniella | |||
| 1990 | J. Armstrong | 2.9 | 3 | Frank Viola | 3.4 | 0.5 | R. Craig |
| 1989 | R. Reuschel | 2.3 | 5 | John Smoltz | 2.8 | 0.5 | T. Lasorda |
| 1988 | D. Gooden | 3.1 | 1 | W. Herzog | |||
| 1987 | M. Scott | 3.6 | 2 | Orel Hershiser | 4.1 | 0.5 | D. Johnson |
| 1986 | D. Gooden | 2.3 | 7 | Mike Scott | 4.6 | 2.3 | W. Herzog |
| 1985 | L. Hoyt | 2.4 | 8 | Dwight Gooden | 4.6 | 2.2 | D. Williams |
| 1984 | C. Lea | 0.8 | 49 | Dwight Gooden | 4.1 | 3.3 | P. Owens |
| 1983 | M. Soto | 2.9 | 3 | Steve Carlton | 4.2 | 1.3 | W. Herzog |
| 1982 | S. Rogers | 3.1 | 5 | Steve Carlton | 4.9 | 1.8 | T. Lasorda |
| 1981 | F. Valenzuela | 2.8 | 2 | Steve Carlton | 3 | 0.2 | D. Green |
| 1980 | J. Richard | 3.5 | 2 | Steve Carlton | 4.7 | 1.2 | C. Tanner |
| 1979 | S. Carlton | 2.8 | 4 | J.R. Richard | 3.6 | 0.8 | T. Lasorda |
| 1978 | V. Blue | 3.4 | 2 | Phil Niekro | 4.3 | 0.9 | T. Lasorda |
| 1977 | D. Sutton | 1.8 | 19 | Steve Rogers | 4.4 | 2.6 | S. Anderson |
| 1976 | R. Jones | 2.7 | 4 | Tom Seaver | 3.7 | 1.0 | S. Anderson |
| 1975 | J. Reuss | 2.7 | 7 | Tom Seaver | 4.6 | 1.9 | W. Alston |
| 1974 | A. Messersmith | 3.7 | 3 | Jon Matlack | 4.1 | 0.4 | Y. Berra |
Other assorted thoughts:
— Harvey’s season is actually 10th best among National League All-Star Game starters. Not too shabby. Maybe next year people will know what he looks like.
— Only Stieb started back-to-back games in this period for the American League; in the NL, there have been three repeat starters: Glavine, Johnson and Maddux.
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William II probably should have started in 1091, considering his conquest of Normandy.
Oh, come on. That was way back in 1066. He was 15 years past his peak in 1091.
Interesting to me that Dan Haren is on both sides of the table in succeeding years, 2007 and 2008.
Francona also picked the overall leader in both of his stints as manager.
And neither guy was the flashiest potential choice. I’d say Halladay would probably have been a more popular choice in both years.
Cliff Lee was a bit of a no-brainer that year since he had so much press for his hot start, but the Buehrle choice is pretty impressive.
1091->1991, and he was a Twin in 91, not a Tiger.
How does this look using RA9 or bWAR?
Also, Harvey is #1 available since Wainwright pitched on Sunday.
I can’t stand TLR either. Bad person. Hate the changes he made to the game. But he’s a hall of fame manager any way you slice it. So to talk about his “failings” in an exhibition game strikes me as a bit petty.
In 1990 Bob Welch is 13-3 w/ a 2.91 ERA before the all star break worth only .6 WAR.
I guess replacement level starting pitching must be really good.
Or your stat sucks.
Cy Young 27 wins
Criticizing managers for not using a stat that didn’t exist when they didn’t use it strikes me as foolish. It’s like saying Paul Revere was an idiot because he didn’t just text his warning.
My feelings exactly. This was a silly article.
Are you actually dumb enough to think the point of this post is that these managers should have used WAR to decide which pitchers should start?
And 58 strikeouts versus 39 walks in 123.2 innings. That’s a K/9 of 4.2. By comparison, the worst K/9 among qualified pitchers this season is 4.33. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Bob Welch was incredibly fortunate in that first half.
I agree with both of you on this one. Gone are the days of evaluating pitchers based on wins alone, or wins, and innings, and ERA. This happened a lot back then. Which is why Felix Hernandez’s 201 Cy Young awared is universally hailed as a turning point for not merely sabermetricians, but even those that use advanced metrics to discriminate over-inflated won-lost records.
Now I did it…. “2010” please…. *sigh*
Not a great comparison. K rates have skyrocketed over the last 20 years.
Also worth noting that Welch outperformed his FIP for his career by a not-insubstantial .25 runs.
He had the 20th-lowest K/9 in 1990 overall among qualified pitchers, and his K/9 was well below league average (4.80 for Welch, 5.72 league average).
Well, I think this cuts to the heart of the matter.
Looking forward, advanced metrics like WAR are great predictors of future performance. But for me, the all-star game isn’t about future performance, it’s about performance for the season so far. And ultimately that boils down to innings pitched and runs allowed. Sure, you’ll get guys who skated by on luck, but who cares? It’s rarely more than one or two players in a given season.
Of course, Roger Clemens was 12-4 with a 2.59 ERA. Does one extra win trump the fact that Clemens’ ERA was a third of a run lower, and the fact that he actually had strikeouts? Clemens had 120 Ks versus Welch’s 58.
WAR for pitchers is a good predicative tool, but it’s not as good for actually evaluating performance. Ultimately, a pitcher’s performance is getting people out and avoiding runs. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a strikeout or not. I honestly thing ERA and innings pitched would be far better metrics to make this decision (with K/BB/HR being tiebreakers).
Innings pitched?! Hmmm. Your ideas intrigue me and I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter.
ERA and innings pitched. Okay.
Clemens at the break: 135.2 IP, 2.59 ERA
Welch at the break: 123.2 IP, 2.91 ERA
Tiebreakers:
Clemens: 120 K/35 BB/7 HR
Welch: 58 K/39 BB/14 HR
I’m not sure if you’re actually arguing for Welch v. Clemens or just making a general point about WAR, but the point is that even by metrics that were available at the time, the better pitcher by WAR was also the better pitcher, period.
I hope, for your (unborn?) children’s sake, that whatever compelled you to post that isn’t hereditary…
I never thought the best pitcher in the league had to be the starter? I’ve always thought the starting pitcher was more of a popular choice, a sign of the times.
I stopped reading once I saw the egregious error of placing Jack Morris on the 1991 Tigers team and not the 1991 Twins team. How dare you!
Crossed out now. Two errors in one sentence, that’s tough to do. Thanks for the catch by you and chrstn41.
This Twins fan forgives you and takes little solace in the fact that his team is not a headline franchise, therefore not everyone is as deeply rooted in Homer Hanky history as he is.
Nah that’s a pretty stupid mistake. Obviously I remember Morris pitching for them in the ’91 World Series.
What is missed in this article (it is obviously out of scope) is the context around some of these selections. For example, in 1991 it was actually Scott Erickson from the Twins who was in line to get the All Star game start. He was 12-3 w/ a 1.83 ERA at the break, but had arm trouble leading into the break and was not available. I don’t know what his mid-seasons WAR was, but after he came back his season kind of fell apart, although his 20 wins did give him a Cy Young runner up.
This, of course, is breaking news: Not all All-Star game starters are deserving of that pedestal!
I know it is kind of ridiculous, but can you pull the stats the starters actually put up in the game? I assume with Morris’s will to win, he probably never gave up a hit.
If the score is 0-0 in the top of the 1st, you better believe Jack Morris is the pitcher to have on the mound because there isn’t anyone else who knows how to pitch to a 0-0 score like he does.
Did this article take into account actual availability of the various starters? For example, if Roger Clemens started on Sunday for his team of the moment, not being able to pitch on the Tuesday of the All-Star Game is a valid excuse for not naming him the starter. An inning or a batter? Sure. But not the starter, who ‘generally’ is expected to pitch a couple of innings, or going against most of the starting batting order from the opposing league. And, given the pool depletion of Sunday-game starters, could that be a big reason for many of the ‘surprise’ starters?
No. Wainwright was not available this year, but Harvey is listed as 2nd in the tables.
The tendency for guys who are consistently the best pitcher to often be overlooked as the all-star starter looks a lot like the tendency to overlook all-time great players in the MVP voting. Having Clemens start every year wouldn’t have been much fun – particularly when he was just having an “ordinary” Clemens season – just like it would have taken the fun out of the MVP award if they gave it to Willie Mays every year.
RE: LeVelle E. Neal III
Without the appropriate knowledge I would still wager that the Twins’ beat writer knows less about the game of baseball than any other team’s. He is legitimately cluess about the sport he gets paid to cover.
If you’ve ever heard Barreiro (similarily clueless) rant about the local 9 with Neal III on KFAN you’d know what I was talking about.
Lol, a 27-6 record hollow???? Not buying that for a second.
How bizarre is it to look back in history and criticize in some cases Hall of Fame managers for not choosing ASG starters based on a stat that a) didn’t exist, b) is not widely accepted even today as a good way to evaluate pitchers, and c) presupposes that the ASG starter, in all cases, has to be the “best” pitcher in the league.
If anything, what this exercise demonstrates is that ASG managers don’t care about fWAR, nor whatever it is you think fWAR measures. They are very clearly using other information to inform their decisions. That doesn’t make them wrong, or undeserving, it just makes them nuanced.
For example, Matt Harvey started last night, not because of his fWAR, he started because he was the hometown player. Do you think if this ASG was played in Los Angeles or Philadelphia that a rookie would have been starting?
Kershaw probably would have started if the game were played in LA, but Wainwright, Harvey, and Kershaw are clearly the best pitchers in the league. He started because he has that reputation now.
Is it possible some managers are choosing based not only on the current season’s performance, but also on prior history?
Obviously the overvaluing of wins is the biggest culprit in most snubs, but maybe past history and reputation is a factor as well.
A column that should be added is the ballpark that the game is taking place in. To me, it makes sense if a manager picks someone who is at their home park (or city), like Harvey this year.
I will forever be irritated that LaRussa decided to start Matt Cain over R.A. Dickey in 2012 cuz he was worried that Posey would have trouble with the knuckler. It’s not only that R.A. was better, but also that it’s just SO LARUSSA to overmanage and insert himself into every damn thing, including an exhibition game. Like, he wanted us to remember one last time what a puppetmaster genius he is. ARGH.