The Royals Are Banking on a Benintendi Bounce

The Kansas City Royals acquired outfielder Andrew Benintendi from the Boston Red Sox on Wednesday night as part of a three-way trade that also saw the New York Mets get involved. Heading to the Mets is outfield prospect Khalil Lee, while going back to Fenway is outfielder Franchy Cordero and pitcher Josh Winckowski. Also going to the Red Sox are three players to be named later, two from the Royals and one from the Mets.

It’s easy to see why the Royals would be highly interested in Benintendi. Most of the team’s additions this winter have been veterans in smaller deals, seemingly for the purpose of prioritizing short-term wins in 2021 and perhaps snag a Wild Card spot. While I’m unconvinced that the strategy will actually bear fruit this year, this is another move consistent with that plan. Adding Benintendi to Mike Minor, Carlos Santana, Michael A. Taylor, Wade Davis, and Greg Holland makes the Royals more entertaining than they were last season. Of course, Benintendi was a much hotter property back in 2018, hitting .290/.366/.465, enough for 4.4 WAR, before slumping to a .266/.343/.431, 2.0 WAR line in 2019. 2020 was an entirely forgettable four-for-52 campaign that lasted just 14 games due to a rib cage strain.

Even giving him a full mulligan for 2020, there were already reasons to be concerned about Benintendi’s changed approach at the plate. He was more aggressive in 2019, which made sense for a contact hitter, but appeared to go far in the wrong direction. The increase in aggression was steady and seems to have backfired, with his contact rate bottoming out, resulting in a swinging strike rate that took a big jump (11.6%) over his first two full seasons (7.6% and 7.5%).

The drop-off in his performance against off-speed pitches was particularly shocking: after being ranked second to Francisco Lindor against changeups in 2018, he slipped into the bottom 10 in the league. That 18-run swing provided almost the entirety of his year-on-year dip in performance.

Kansas City is likely going to be less three true outcome-obsessed than most teams, and after years of Alex Gordon, they’re not likely to be terribly put out by a corner outfielder who doesn’t hit 30 homers a year. For the Royals, a name player with some upside remaining may simply be more enticing than a hard-hitting project or a center field prospect unlikely to excel in the majors in 2021. I suspect the Royals will be more content to steer Benintendi in a more contact-hitting direction than the average team would.

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ZiPS Projection – Andrew Benintendi
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2021 .252 .343 .402 503 72 127 28 4 13 57 67 124 14 103 2 1.6
2022 .249 .341 .410 490 71 122 29 4 14 57 66 125 12 104 2 1.6

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Andrew Benintendi
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .262 .360 .454 496 75 130 33 7 16 62 74 104 20 121 2.7
80% .257 .352 .429 499 74 128 31 5 15 60 71 111 17 112 2.2
70% .255 .348 .419 501 74 128 30 5 14 59 69 118 16 109 1.9
60% .255 .347 .416 502 73 128 29 5 14 58 68 122 15 108 1.9
50% .252 .343 .402 503 72 127 28 4 13 57 67 124 14 103 1.6
40% .252 .341 .395 504 71 127 28 4 12 56 66 127 13 101 1.4
30% .251 .338 .391 506 71 127 27 4 12 55 64 133 12 99 1.3
20% .246 .329 .377 509 70 125 26 4 11 54 61 138 11 93 0.8
10% .244 .324 .363 512 70 125 25 3 10 53 58 148 9 88 0.5

Even if a change of scenery seems like it may be beneficial for Benintendi, it’s still sad to see the Red Sox jettison their last remaining starting outfielder from the 2018 World Series champs. Franchy Cordero is less expensive than Benintendi and has three years remaining until free agency, a tempting attribute for a team clearly not out of cost-cutting mode. Cordero’s combination of power and speed makes him an interesting gamble. Of the 514 players with at least 300 total plate appearances from 2017 to 2020, Cordero ranks ninth in average exit velocity, sandwiched between Giancarlo Stanton and Matt Chapman. His 29.8 foot/second sprint speed made him one of the fastest in baseball in his rookie season. Of course, the catch is that Cordero has significant contact issues and has missed a lot of development time due to injuries. But if you’re going cheap, Franchy’s not a bad lottery ticket.

ZiPS Projection – Franchy Cordero
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2021 .240 .299 .455 288 43 69 16 5 12 49 24 96 8 96 1 1.1
2022 .236 .298 .449 276 42 65 16 5 11 48 24 93 6 94 1 0.9
2023 .232 .295 .449 263 40 61 16 4 11 46 23 90 6 93 1 0.8

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Franchy Cordero
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .250 .318 .514 284 46 71 19 7 14 55 28 80 13 115 1.8
80% .245 .309 .486 286 45 70 18 6 13 53 26 87 10 106 1.4
70% .240 .303 .470 287 44 69 17 5 13 51 25 90 9 101 1.2
60% .240 .303 .460 287 44 69 17 5 12 50 25 93 9 98 1.1
50% .240 .299 .455 288 43 69 16 5 12 49 24 96 8 96 1.1
40% .236 .296 .441 288 43 68 16 5 11 48 24 100 8 92 0.9
30% .234 .290 .421 290 42 68 16 4 10 47 22 102 7 85 0.6
20% .234 .287 .416 291 42 68 15 4 10 45 21 107 7 83 0.5
10% .229 .280 .394 292 41 67 15 3 9 43 20 115 6 76 0.2

Josh Winckowski’s career with the Mets turned out to be a short one, lasting just two weeks. My colleague Eric Longenhagen originally talked about him in Toronto’s top prospect list (he went to the Mets in the Steven Matz trade), and not much has changed since then. From Tony Wolfe’s piece on the Matz deal:

Winckowski, meanwhile, was relegated to the “Depth Arms” section, having fallen below the 35+ Future Value distinction. He had a good 2019 season, holding a 2.32 ERA and 3.23 FIP in 73.2 innings in Low A, then a 3.19 ERA and 4.20 FIP in 53.2 innings in High A. Per Eric, he throws 97 mph with his fastball, boasting a slider and splitter as his secondary pitches. Like Diaz, Winckowski was developed as a starter throughout his minor league career but could fit better in a single-inning relief role if a third pitch doesn’t stick.

The players to be named later won’t be named until, well, later, but typically, they don’t change the trajectories of these trades. Now, this isn’t always true — Trea Turner and Moises Alou are two notable exceptions — but that’s usually the way to bet. It’s unlikely Benintendi’s trade value was high enough for any additional prospects of significance to be added to the deal, especially with the Red Sox paying part of his salary.

The Mets aren’t exactly overflowing in quality outfield prospects right now and Khalil Lee helps fill that void. It would have been hard to justify playing either Andrew Benintendi or Franchy Cordero over any of the current starters, but the team can play Lee at Triple-A and see how he develops after losing a year in 2020. Eric liked his chances to at least be a large part of a platoon in right field, and statistically, he drew enough walks and stolen enough bases in 2019 to be intriguing. Lee is one of the biggest ZiPS vs. Steamer disagreements; Mets fans, root for Steamer on this one!

ZiPS Projection – Khalil Lee
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2021 .197 .284 .316 488 57 96 19 3 11 47 52 184 35 65 0 -0.8
2022 .197 .288 .328 476 57 94 20 3 12 48 53 184 31 69 -1 -0.5
2023 .199 .293 .335 477 59 95 20 3 13 50 56 186 31 72 -1 -0.3
2024 .197 .294 .334 473 59 93 20 3 13 49 58 187 29 72 -1 -0.3
2025 .192 .291 .331 468 59 90 20 3 13 49 59 189 27 71 -2 -0.4

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Khalil Lee
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .209 .309 .389 478 63 100 24 4 18 58 62 150 53 90 0.9
80% .203 .298 .353 482 61 98 22 4 14 54 58 163 45 78 0.2
70% .200 .291 .336 485 59 97 21 3 13 51 55 171 39 72 -0.2
60% .198 .287 .325 486 58 96 20 3 12 49 54 177 37 68 -0.5
50% .197 .284 .316 488 57 96 19 3 11 47 52 184 35 65 -0.8
40% .194 .280 .307 489 56 95 19 3 10 46 51 193 33 62 -1.0
30% .193 .276 .293 491 56 95 18 2 9 45 49 199 31 57 -1.3
20% .191 .271 .282 493 55 94 17 2 8 44 47 207 28 53 -1.6
10% .188 .265 .271 495 54 93 16 2 7 41 45 220 23 48 -2.0

Even if Steamer is closer than ZiPS, I think the Mets would still be well-served by continuing to look at Lee in center field until he conclusively proves he can’t play there. If he can surprise with the glove, the Mets could use a better caddy in center for Brandon Nimmo than Albert Almora Jr.

In 2021, this trade is probably a wash for the Red Sox and insignificant for the Mets. Meanwhile, how Benintendi does in Kansas City is an interesting storyline. The Royals are sneaking closer to the point at which a lot of coins coming up heads could be enough to make them relevant.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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ltdm206
5 years ago

I wonder if having an OF sent to the Mets reduces their chances of signing JBJ, and thus Boston improves their chances of resigning him.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  ltdm206

If the Red Sox re-sign JBJ it’s because he really overplayed his hand and he comes really cheap. The teams that are going to try and sign Jackie Bradley Jr. are teams that really want to win now (e.g., the Mets), and the Red Sox have spent all winter picking up reclamation projects on the cheap.

MTFMember since 2020
5 years ago

As an Indians fan it is disconcerting to see DS saying Boston is “going cheap”, when their 40 man roster is projected at a Competitive Balance cost over $200 million in 2021. A side issue to the quality of the players being traded perhaps, but still a major (and maybe misplaced) sideswipe theme in this article. The money being traded just isn’t that big an impact on the payroll to justify the emphasis. Besides, you want cheap? We got cheap for you.

KervinMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I agree. I think they reduce payroll by ~$1.4 million with this move, which seems like it’s about to be spent on Hirokazu Sawamura. It seems more like trying to build depth.

Scott DeAmicis
5 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I don’t think going cheap and spending money are mutually exclusive. Someone can buy a $150,000 car and then decide not to spend money on basic maintenance because that would be “too much money.”

I’ve seen cases in construction where an organization has three approaches to a solution and picks the most expensive solution but in order to keep costs down goes with the low bidder, who cuts corners, resulting an project that doesn’t address the problem and has to be fixed later.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Scott DeAmicis

This is a really good example to explain why the Angels and Red Sox (and maybe some others) are cheap. Who is cheaper, the person who buys a $150K car and whose tires are balding? Or the person who buys a Honda Civic and keeps it great shape? Some people (and owners) love owning shiny toys much more than actually using them.

To take the analogy much further and apply it to the Red Sox more directly, imagine a guy who buys a $150K car that breaks down in a real serious way, so rather than buy a Honda Civic, he goes out and buys a whole bunch of Mercedes-Benz parts and tries to assemble a car in his garage. That’s the Red Sox right now. If you pull it off, you get to look expensive while actually being cheap, but chances are you’re falling short on one of those.

KervinMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It would not make sense to me to call someone who bought a Mercedes-Benz, had it break down, and didn’t then buy a honda civic as “cheap”.

Has there ever been a team that acted the way you’re describing? Maybe the early 2010s dodgers before they built a strong pipeline and ducked under the luxury tax in 2018? Maybe some version of the yankees from 15+ years ago? I just don’t think this is how teams typically approach things.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Kervin

The Red Sox and Angels. Loaded with broken but very pretty toys.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Red Sox just unloaded a very broken toy. What happened to Benintendi after 2018 is difficult to understand but in 2019 he made Joey Gallo look like a contact-oriented hitter. My guess is that he is another case of taking something that was good and trying to improve it, only to have it fall apart completely. As for this trade, from the Red Sox side a lot will depend on the PTBNL’s.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Perhaps if the Angels hadn’t spent all that money on Pujols…

Nasty Nate
5 years ago
Reply to  Kervin

The Red Sox have been high-spenders for 20 years and for 20 years people have been contorting themselves into pretzels to try to argue that they are actually not high spenders. I don’t get it. The Sox’ problems have come when they spend incoherently or stupidly, not because of lack of spending.

m_pemulis
5 years ago
Reply to  Nasty Nate

Those poor scrappy Red Sox!!

Max Power
5 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Also, Boston is picking up part of Benintendi’s contract to presumably get a better return

rounders
5 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

What they saw in Benintendi alarmed them. It appeared for months that they would pay to move him.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Honestly, what percentage of articles on Fangraphs now are basically taking shots at teams for not spending money? 60%?

whiptydojoe
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

I wish I could like this a million times. Instead of using the platform to maybe understand the financial side of things for small/mid markets (in most cases, not you Boston), or maybe once in awhile understand the state of a team and why spending money doesn’t make sense, or to offer viable solutions for baseball economics that would change course, authors are now just sending out articles that are “spend money” or (in retrospect) “spend money smarter.”

Meanwhile, we get a plea to get Membership above 40,000 on the site while watching writer after writer leave.

Hmm? It seems running things on a budget is harder than the writers might lead you to believe

deltaclownMember since 2023
5 years ago
Reply to  whiptydojoe

Which multi-billionaire owns Fangraphs again?

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  deltaclown

Yeah, I’m sure the “owner” of Fangraphs would start giving away his/her entire wealth once it reached 999 million, right?

bglick4
5 years ago

If he truly made a choice to be more aggressive and that was his downfall, what’s to keep him from returning to his old approach? I’m curious – I wonder if there is any precedent for this.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  bglick4

Jose Ramirez waves hello.

He went from a pull happy guy terrorizing the league, to trying to use all fields for a year and stinking up the joint, back to pulling the ball and being an MVP candidate.

CC AFCMember since 2016
5 years ago

Votto has done this in spurts, too. He’ll just go on a month where he starts swinging a lot or doing something different and then change it up.

Chili Davis Eyes
5 years ago

On the other hand there is Jason Heyward, who altered his swing to hit for more power and has been trying to rebuild his old swing ever since.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

I don’t think I agree with Dan that PTBNLers won’t change the evaluation of the deal here. In a normal offseason and in a normal trade, that would definitely be correct, but there are two reasons why this might matter more than usual.

1) We didn’t have a minor league season and so there are a lot of players who were deemed too far away to be at the alternate site and so didn’t play at all in 2020. The Red Sox probably want a look at some of them before selecting them.
2) We’re talking about three PTBNLers. The odds of one FV40-type prospect hitting is pretty low; but three of them is enough that it could change the value on multiple sides.

Of course, they could also be three guys we’ve never heard of before and will never hear about again, but they might not…

averagejoe15Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yea I just don’t think you’re getting 3 – 40FV PTBNLs for Tendi in addition to the guys already coming back.

whiptydojoe
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

sadtrombone is saying you might not get a 40FV in the trade, but you might get a guy that develops into a 40FV. But times 3 at that lotto (better odds.)

KervinMember since 2020
5 years ago

I think there’s a chance that at least the Mets PTBNL is meaningful for this trade. As Chris Hatfield from soxprospects.com put it on twitter, the player coming from the Mets is likely to bridge the gap between Lee (45 FV on Eric’s list last year) and Winckowski (below 35+ FV as of this year, as Dan discusses). So what would that be? Maybe like a 40 FV level prospect?

I think that the lack of 2020 minor league games, and desire to get a look at what is being acquired plays into the number of yet unnamed players here.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Kervin

There’s also the chance the Sox see Winc as a 40FV and Lee is valued similarly by the teams.

JimmieFoxxalorianMember since 2020
5 years ago

I don’t know what to make of the Sox 2021 starting outfield. No Benny Baseball. No JBJ. Beyond Verdugo it gets kinda grim.

That said, it made sense to move Benny. Franchy Cordero is one heckuva athlete. His 2017 minor league season was insane. Unfortunately I see him in the bigs (if getting full season at-bats) as a .230, 25 HR/10 triple/200K phenomenon featuring rare glimpses of excitement amid long stretches of consecutive 4-strikeout games. But who knows? Maybe Cora can work some magic with Franchy.

The pitcher from the Mets seems like a basic depth piece with limited upside. But even a guy like that helps a garbage dump of a pitching staff. Add arms. Add lots of em. Not a bad idea. Hopefully the players to be named later feature more arms capable of throwing baseballs.

All told its not a terrible return for a player who’s production has steadily fallen off a cliff over the past 2 years, and has had some recent injuries.

jts19Member since 2020
5 years ago

I hope Cora doesn’t work any more “magic”—he’ll probably get a lifetime ban if he does

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago

You are being very, very premature when you say no JBJ. This deal opens the door for a return and I, dedicated fanatic that I am, would welcome it with a trip to Ruth’s Chris and a bottle of the best wine.

WoundedSprinterMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Some of us still have JBJ’s back, S4L.

r24j
5 years ago

Adding lots of arms doesn’t solve the problem. Boston had like 40 dumpster caliber pitchers who have no business at the MLB level. Need quality. Depth is only as valuable as it needs to be

TalfredMember since 2018
5 years ago

I think you need to discount that 2017 season at El Paso. It was an extreme hitter’s environment and teammates like Jabari Blash and José Pirela had better numbers than Franchy.

Brock244
5 years ago

Is there anything to Corderno’s much improved k rate (9.5%) in 2020? Or more of a small sample fluke?

Either way, this is kind of a weird trade. I don’t really love it for either the Redsox or Royals.

The odd thing too is that the Mets somehow got a 45 FV prospect for a 35FV prospect. That leads me to believe the PTBNL will be a decent prospect as opposed to a throw in.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

I don’t see how this trade is bad for the Sox if they don’t believe Benny is capable of returning to his 4 WAR height. Cordero could easily end up matching Benny WAR for WAR over the next 2 seasons and they’re getting several scratch offs on top of that.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

This is probably the most boring Benintendi trade that anyone could have cooked up. I didn’t think this was possible.

SaltyMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

Would the Mets part with Newton as the PTBL? Would the Sox take him? He’s coming off a poor 2019 (albeit injury-plagued), but is still a young, talented MI. As a Mets fan, I’d rather see him stay than become part of this deal.

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

But the PTBNL goes to Boston, so that does nothing to address an imbalance which KC is selling low to the Mets in. I’d say the team evals are more equal as mentioned above by averagejoe. or that it doesn’t matter, its KC getting added value to the Sox from the Mets because the Sox didn’t want Lee directly as the prospect bonus.

Kevbot034
5 years ago

I know Benny was trending down anyway, but how quickly the Sox turned away from him is really strange to me. I guess if you don’t wanna pay a kid who just isn’t cutting it, you just get rid of him. Still seems like this was hasty, even if he’s not going to turn into a star. KC has had some successful reclamation projects though, so I’m rooting for them.

Brock244
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

Their off-season as a whole has been “let’s try to be good enough where if things go right we can still snag a wild card, but also our biggest goal is to build for the future”

Looking at their roster, Benintendi stood out like a sore thumb as a trade piece. He had value as a trade piece, but also wasn’t a foundational player that was going to swing contention in either direction for them. I think they identified him as a trade candidate at the very start of the off-season.

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

It was that classic needs a new-scenery situation. He is going to a very friendly team to help get him back to his old self.

JimmieFoxxalorianMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

He’s had 2,104 plate appearances to evaluate, and the last 30% or so of those appearances haven’t been very good. Add the 2020 injuries to that and it makes sense to move him now while he still retains some perceived value.

WalterBishop
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

I agree, strange to just give away a former top prospect after basically one down year. I’m not sure I understand baseball at all anymore.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
5 years ago

Dan,
Does the ZiPS 90% percentile projection feel light to you?

For me, 2.7 WAR feels light for a best case scenario when we’re only a couple years removed from a 4.4 WAR campaign, especially for a guy who’s age 26 coming into the season.

Is it because ZiPS doesn’t “know” that 2019 was likely approach driven and potentially correctable?

thanks!

Dactos
5 years ago

my thoughts exactly! hope we get a response.

tung_twista
5 years ago

I believe there is some fundamental problem with ZiPS distributions where the tails are too short.

Another example: Semien’s 10% percentile is projected as OPS+ 98 when his best seasons are 139, 99, 98, 97, 95.

NoHayBanda
5 years ago

There is just too much to correct IMO. Declining speed every year in the majors, never been a useful defender, league average power during what looks like an outlier season? 29 hr over the last……. 1,328 PAs. Not sure what people are dreaming on at this point.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
5 years ago

Seems like the range of outcomes is incredibly small too

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

On the flip side the range of outcomes with Franchy seem quite high. One would of been inclined to say something similar about Teoscar before last season, and he absolutely beasted, albeit it in a SSS

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago

For Franchy, or Benintendi? I can’t imagine a universe in which the 90% projection for Cordero is 14 home runs.

D-WizMember since 2019
5 years ago

Agree with the skepticism that the Royals’ plan will actually work out, but they’ve definitely collected an interesting assortment of veterans and I’ll certainly be tuning in to my fair share of games to see how it plays out!

Manco
5 years ago

Tough to see Benny go because I have very fond memories including that memorable catch; however, this deal makes a lot of sense considering the aims of the Royals and Sox. Royals look to move towards competitive teams as their young pitchers are starting to blossom, so it was time to be viable. Red Sox want controllable young starting pitchers that have upside (see Workman deal) and managed to get a cheap upside outfielder. We can also assume the 3PTBNL will have value as the Red Sox have till likely August to determine who they want (after seeing some play this season to evaluate them).

SP Josh Winckowski generally appears to be a steal. Reports said he played hurt in ’19 (he played fairly well) and that his velocity goes up to 97. He’s recently added a splitter to a decently solid slider. This profiles nicely considering that he is a GB heavy pitcher (or appears to be trending that way). This skill, should he make it to Fenway, will play up because FB pitchers face ballooning BABIP issues due to the configuration of the field’s boundaries. I wouldn’t be surprised if he rises up the boards in FV (I suspect up to 45 wouldn’t be out of reason) after ’21 gives him a substrate to show off skills.

If the Royals do push a contact first profile for Benintendi, I suspect him to bounce back better. Already tough to hit a ball out, Kauffman should be ideal for the former contact approach. Any speed returns to his profile will also pay big dividends because of how often the Royals run (and Benintendi’s usually got an incredible OBP). The upside is Merrifieldesque production. The downside is a 10/15 profile with solid defense.

Kevbot034
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

I actually also thought Winckowski sounded like a steal both now and previously. His repertoire and 97 MPH fastball seem like they are pretty good for a guy under the 35 FV grade. Not sure what I am missing, but I have nothing but Fangraphs to use, whereas the teams and Fangraphs themselves have way more lol

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

GB pitchers don’t get much love (aside from already elite skilled pitchers)

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

BA was higher on Winckowski than Eric here, but he went unselected in the Rule 5 draft in Dec – though pitchers at A ball are not always top of mind there. Guess we’ll see.

Manco
5 years ago

if the Sox went for him in Rule 5, doesn’t that mean he would have been designated to the 40 man? And then I think there would be other stipulations about possibly returning the player? Not entirely sure, but there is clearly a reason why the Sox preferred trading for him than picking him in Rule 5.

WoundedSprinterMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

Nope. Barring a return to their original team, Rule 5 guys have to be on the 26 man roster.

Manco
5 years ago

Thanks for the clarification: sounds like why the Sox didn’t pick him up during that. He isn’t gonna even be on the 40 man.

Six Ten
5 years ago

I don’t love this deal for the Royals for the same reason I don’t love not trading Whit Merrifield a couple years ago. Benintendi is probably the best player in this trade, but his glove isn’t great, and his doubles power is moving from the best doubles park in baseball to just a good one. And even if he turns out to be appreciably better than Lee and Cordero, Lee’s timeline works out better for a realistic competitive window.

But at a certain point you add up enough moves for today instead of moves for 2023-24 and it makes sense to keep pushing those same chips in. You don’t add Minor, Taylor, and Santana if you don’t see the next two years as part of your window. So sure. Good enough for me.

Kevbot034
5 years ago
Reply to  Six Ten

I think it speaks to the Royals development they feel they are close to contention again without having tanked. Filling the roster with boring veterans may not be splashy, but it’s the kind of move they can justify well enough as placeholders while waiting for kids or for adding a few clutch wins to compete for a playoff slot now. Can also shed any of them playing well for youngsters if they’re out early. I am mostly happy with how they’ve been operating recently, actually.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  Six Ten

Isn’t Boston the best doubles park in baseball specifically for right handed hitters? I always thought the green monster was the reason it’s such an outlier.

Six Ten
5 years ago

Good point, though Benintendi is certainly not a dead pull hitter.

Nasty Nate
5 years ago

” It’s unlikely Benintendi’s trade value was high enough for any additional prospects of significance to be added to the deal, especially with the Red Sox paying part of his salary.” I don’t the word ‘especially’ belongs there. The Red Sox paying part of his salary INCREASES the chances that the additional prospects have significance, not the opposite.

dl80Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Nasty Nate

I think the idea is that they had to pay just to even get what they got. They’d have to pay more you get anything good back.

Nasty Nate
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Isn’t that circular logic? Maybe what they paid was “more.”

dl80Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Nasty Nate

I think the idea is that Benintendi’s value was negative. So they had to pay just to get it up to zero to get any prospects back.

Nasty Nate
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

I don’t think Dan Szymborski thinks Benintendi had negative trade value. It seems like the Sox just sent a little money along to get a slightly better return.

bglick4
5 years ago
Reply to  Nasty Nate

I was thinking that the fact that Boston needed to throw in money meant the prospect return would be small. But, I see it this way too. By throwing in money, they may have gotten better prospects. Like Baltimore with the Cobb trade. I think that’s the more likely scenario, but I guess we’ll see.

Roger21
5 years ago
Reply to  Nasty Nate

Came here to make this exact point. If Dan wants to be sneaky, he could just stealth edit the sentence to read “paying only part of his salary.”

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago

It’ll be interesting to see how the park factors play into this. Per https://www.swishanalytics.com/mlb/mlb-park-factors/ (I don’t know how good or up to date those numbers are) it looks like the change could really benefit someone who keeps the ball in the park.

I do remember about 2 years ago there was story after story about Benintendi bulking up and preparing to hit for more power, and the problems started there. I just think the Red Sox tinkered their way out of a top prospect, and hopefully someone can adjust him back.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
5 years ago

The tricky part of Benintendi’s future value is, he doesn’t just need to revert back to the hitter he was in 2018 to get back to a 4 WAR player. In 2018, he also received the best defensive and baserunning grades of his career. Well I do agree that the upper end of the ZIPs projections are probably a little too tight, his ceiling is probably more of a 3-3.5 win player. Considering Benintendi only has fringe level power, I could see the deadening of the ball and moving to a less homer friendly home park really effecting his power output. Not that he was hitting a ton of homers before but he might be a 10 HR player going forward.

r24j
5 years ago

I know Benintendi was struggling and his archetype isn’t that of the typically successful player in today’s climate, but I don’t know. I’d still take Benintendi and his pedigree as a Top 10 Draft and try to figure it out versus a Statcast darling at the same age with 400 something MLB PAs.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  r24j

Straight up, I think just about anyone would but, it’s Benintendi (at about $5M to the Royals) plus one more year of control versus Cordero at $800K plus 2 additional years of control AND 4 prospects.

cpinyan
5 years ago

This certainly makes the most sense if the Red Sox are going to sign JBJ. If they do, JBJ basically replaces Benintendi’s production, and a Cordero/Renfroe platoon is better than Renfroe and whatever else they were gonna throw out there. Without JBJ, it makes less sense for the Red Sox, though not no sense. The above projections have them basically projected at the same value over their contracts, though Cordero’s is both (a) almost certainly cheaper and (b) at least arguably subject to more upside, if he can keep up that production over full playing time. And, of course, it makes sense for the Royals since they got the better player and it constitutes trying, or at least looking like they’re trying.

szakylMember since 2024
5 years ago

Do the percentiles include missed time for potential injuries in the lower percentiles, or do they assume the same amount of games across the distribution?

m_pemulis
5 years ago

It’s just crazy how many run-of-the-mill Red Sox hitters had an amazing 2018 season. Alex Cora must be a really good hitting coach.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

I doubt enough heads will fall in order, but it would be fun if this Royals team makes the playoffs. I doubt they will, but both central divisions are the weak ones this year, so it’s not impossible.