The Shaun Marcum Trade: Brewers Perspective
On Sunday night, the Brewers agreed to trade top prospect Brett Lawrie to the Toronto Blue Jays for SP Shaun Marcum, as first broken by Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.
This trade might not be treated as a blockbuster deal, but it certainly qualifies as high profile. It’s very rare for teams to swap #1 prospects and #1 starting pitchers, and that’s exactly what happened here. Although the loss of Lawrie will certainly be a blow to the Brewers farm system, there are two key reasons why the Brewers decided to deal the Canadian back to his homeland in exchange for pitching help in the form of Marcum.
1. The Brewers are both poor and shallow at starting pitcher.
This is the obvious one. Ever since CC Sabathia and Ben Sheets left after the 2008 season, the Brewers haven’t been able to put together anything even resembling a decent MLB starting rotation. The 2009 unit featured a developing Yovani Gallardo, but Jeff Suppan and Braden Looper provided 64 starts of complete disaster, combining for -1.6 WAR. 2010 saw those two demons exorcised, but a poor inaugural season from Randy Wolf, injuries to Doug Davis, and general awfulness from Manny Parra and Dave Bush resulted in another inept staff.
Effectively, at the end of the 2010 season, the only three starters on the Brewers depth chart were Gallardo, Wolf, and Chris Narveson, who had a decent run to end the year and finished with 1.5 WAR. The farm system’s best products, such as Jake Odorizzi, are still at least a season away. With no chance at Cliff Lee and with mostly scraps available, an impact pitcher like Marcum, who has the added bonus of two years of reasonable, arbitration-discounted team control remaining, was the best course of action to fill that hole.
Marcum posted 3.5 WAR last season in his first year back from Tommy John surgery, and although it may be optimistic to project him to do it again, even a 2.5 WAR pitcher would be a huge boost for the Brewers. At this point, they’re likely inserting Marcum over a pitcher who is below replacement level, and if the Brewers want any chance to compete – given the weakness of the NL Central and the power of the Milwaukee offense, there is a chance – somebody around that level was completely necessary.
2. Brett Lawrie is potentially blocked at the three positions he could most likely play in the future.
Or, to put it another way, Lawrie bears a striking resemblance to Matt LaPorta, the centerpiece of the CC Sabathia trade, who was blocked at 1B, LF, and RF by Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, and Corey Hart. In this case, Lawrie, a “second baseman” who Baseball Prospectus’s Kevin Goldstein (among others) expects to end up as a corner outfielder in the majors.
In this case, Lawrie is blocked at second by recent entrant into the six-WAR club Rickie Weeks. He’s also blocked in the corners by the same men who blocked LaPorta back in 2008, Braun and Hart. Braun’s contract only pays him just over $40 million through 2015, and he certainly isn’t going anywhere. Hart signed a three year contract worth $26.5 million, so ostensibly, he isn’t going anywhere soon either. Although Lawrie has star potential, particularly if he stays at second base, it’s not entirely clear that he will provide anything that the Brewers don’t already have.
With Lawrie coming off a very impressive .361 wOBA season as a 20 year old at AA Huntsville, it’s hard to imagine his value at a higher point in the near future. The Brewers had a large roster hole to fill, and due to the concerns about Lawrie’s position, Milwaukee GM Doug Melvin decided to capitalize on Lawrie’s high prospect stock. By most accounts, this deal was fair to both sides. The Brewers filled a need and the Jays dealt from a position of surplus. The Brewers win in the short term, and, if Lawrie develops in accordance to his top prospect status, the Jays should enjoy a solid long term return.
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That’s a damn good pitcher the Blue Jays gave up. Could this mean they shop Bautista? Or flip Lawrie for a Greinke trade?
Losing Marcum and gaining a prospect will not improve their playoff chances in the AL East, even if they were to flip him for Greinke.
I agree. I dont think they have a real shot. But there has been documented serious interest in Greinke by the Blue Jays.
I’m getting a kick out of how Jays fans think that this is a pathway to Greinke. If the Royals were that interested in Lawrie, don’t you think that the Brewers would have already sent him to KC for Greinke?
The Jays have other really good prospects they can package with Lawrie while the Brewers don’t (at least not guys who are close). Package Lawrie, Drabek, and Arencibia together and I think the Royals would be thinking long and hard about pulling the trigger.
Im not a Jays fan, fyi.
And its not about interest in a prospect.. The Royals arent shopping Greinke, they’re fielding offers. Blue Jays have a good system and could make something happen. Plus the Brewers are strapped for cash, Greinke’s contract, I imagine, would prolly still be too much for them to take on, even if it is a great salary relative to Greinke’s skill.
Do the jays get another piece after the Rule 5 draft?
Marcum is one of the most under rated pitchers out there… He has been a favorite Jay of mine. The Brewers are getting at top notch pitcher who will make an instant impact and he wont cost that much.
When Marcum broke out around the same time as McGowan he has always been undervalued and thought of as a good pitcher but doesnt have that pure stuff.
Thing I love about him is… well look at his career, he doesnt dominate but he uses his tools and puts up fantastic results. Sad to see this guy go!
You say he’s blocked at 2b, but Weeks is a FA this time next year and if he has another year even close to what he did this year he won’t stay in Milwaukee.
Theoretically they’re trying to extend Weeks, which would make this trade a big win if it gets done. Otherwise…big trouble. Maybe Counsell will have a job until he’s 45.
Get ready to see that nasty changeup Brewer fans
The Jays clearly don’t think they can make the playoffs out of the AL East in 2011-12; they’re pursuing the TB route to competitiveness (without actually losing 100 games for years). Makes sense to me.
Loving this trade for the Brewers. It’s not just Gallardo, old vet and scrubs. Gallardo, Marcum and Wolf can work well in NL Central.
Gallardo is the much sexier pitcher (strikeouts! hits homeruns! throws 95 mph!), but Marcum is better statistically in every other category.
I’m trying not to be a Brewers homer here, but this looks like an unqualified win for the Brewers, especially if they can extend Marcum and Weeks.
Marcum had a better BB9 and threw 10 more IP than Gallardo.
Gallardo had a better HR9, FIP, xFIP, WAR.
So no he wasn’t better in every other category. Gallardo is the better pitcher.
I like this trade for the Jays, even if doesn’t lead to Greinke. Marcum’s a good pitcher and he should do well for the Brewers. But I see Lawrie as elite prospect who could play in many All-Star games. I know there are some questions about his attitude, but I think Lawrie’s power makes this a deal the Brewers might regret for many years to come.
Lawrie should be happy to get back to Canadian-rules baseball. Canucks often have trouble adjusting to the third out and lack of a roving outfielder.
No shot at Lawrie ending up on third?
This trade is puzzling to me…
It’s a move that makes me believe that the Brewers see themselves as World Series competitors, and they aren’t. Unless the Brewers make another big time move or two to put themselves in position to compete for a ring, letting Lawrie go for 2 years of Marcum’s service, will seem like a total waste.
it’s a moot point if they can sign Weeks to an extension, or even if they don’t. Lawrie *might* be as good as Weeks in 5 years, but he could also flame out, or become just a solid everyday player. and obviously, Marcum could sign an extension too.
The Brewers had the second best offense in the NL last season (OPS+) even with down years from Fielder and Braun, and that is still intact.
If they can add another above-average starter to go along with Gallardo/Marcum/Wolf, how are they not play-off contenders in the weak NL Central…?
I wonder if the Brewers are making themselves better for the short-term, but not legitimate, and even less prepared for the “post-Fielder” era.
Wolf is just a guy. Rogers will be the big time rotation sleeper.
If anything, this deal is a great sell for the fans in 2011. If Melvin trotted out a pitching staff like last year’s again, his job security (which has been whispered about last year) would begin to openly be questioned, I think. They may be hoping for huge years by the starters, and hope that Braun and Fielder give the Central hell for their last year together.
Marcum could easily put up a sub 3 ERA in the NL Central. Great trade. Ugly to see the Jays basically giving up on next year, but it looks like the realistic move.
Bit excessive no? Marcum is good, not elite. Elite guys have trouble having a sub 3 ERA over 200 IP in any division
No question about it. Marcum’s fantasy value just got a huge boost.
Thank you Brew Crew! The pitching staff won’t be comprised of Yovani and 4 terrible pitchers this season…
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