The Top-Five Mariners Prospects by Projected WAR
Yesterday, Kiley McDaniel published his consummately researched and demonstrably authoritative prospect list for the Seattle Mariners. What follows is a different exercise than that, one much smaller in scope and designed to identify not Seattle’s top overall prospects but rather the rookie-eligible players in the Mariners system who are most ready to produce wins at the major-league level in 2015 (regardless of whether they’re likely to receive the opportunity to do so). No attempt has been made, in other words, to account for future value.
Below are the top-five prospects in the Seattle system by projected WAR. To assemble this brief list, what I’ve done is to locate the Steamer 600 projections for all the prospects to whom McDaniel assessed a Future Value grade of 40 or greater. Hitters’ numbers are normalized to 550 plate appearances; starting pitchers’, to 150 innings — i.e. the playing-time thresholds at which a league-average player would produce a 2.0 WAR. Catcher projections are prorated to 415 plate appearances to account for their reduced playing time.
Note that, in many cases, defensive value has been calculated entirely by positional adjustment based on the relevant player’s minor-league defensive starts — which is to say, there has been no attempt to account for the runs a player is likely to save in the field. As a result, players with an impressive offensive profile relative to their position are sometimes perhaps overvalued — that is, in such cases where their actual defensive skills are sub-par.
t5. John Hicks, C (Profile)
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 415 | .220 | .262 | .314 | 64 | 0.5 |
Between Hicks and Tyler Marlette (below), the latter is probably the overall more impressive prospect. Marlette was drafted out of high school (Hicks, college); received a signing bonus of about $650 thousand (Hicks, about $250 thousand); and earned a promotion to Double-A in just his age-21 season (while Hicks only first appeared there as a 23-year-old). For 2015, however, they profile as almost the same player, projected by Steamer to produce roughly identical offensive lines while both benefiting — deservedly so, it would appear based on McDaniel’s analysis — from the catcher positional adjustment. Should something happen to Jesus Sucre, Hicks would be an entirely acceptable replacement. Even if something doesn’t happen to Sucre, that might still be the case.
t5. Jordy Lara, 1B/3B (Profile)
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 550 | .226 | .263 | .352 | 74 | 0.5 |
Lara is listed here as a first and third baseman because those are the positions at which he’s recorded the majority of his appearances as a minor leaguer (224 and 159 games, respectively) — and like D.J. Peterson below, he receives the more favorable third-base positional adjustment. Realistically, however, that’s probably optimistic. Consider: of Lara’s 106 defensive appearances in 2014, zero of them were recorded at third base, 84 of them at first (with the remainder in right field). McDaniel regards him as a first baseman, as well. Perhaps, given what he has of athleticism, he’s capable of playing an above-average first base. Even still, the penalty to the forecast is substantial: about 10-12 runs. That renders Lara about half a win below replacement level, as opposed to above it.
4. Tyler Marlette, C (Profile)
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 415 | .218 | .257 | .331 | 67 | 0.6 |
Only 13 batters aged 21 or younger appeared in the Double-A Southern League last year and Marlette was one of them. In the absence of all other information regarding a prospect, age relative to level remains a strong indicator of future major-league success — and, indeed, nine of those 13 batters also appeared among Kiley McDaniel’s preseason top-200 prospect list. As the projection here suggests, Marlette’s version of major-league success is unlikely to occur in 2015. To receive a win projection above replacement level as a 22-year-old, however, is a promising development.
t2. Ji-Man Choi, 1B (Profile)
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 550 | .244 | .309 | .385 | 100 | 0.9 |
As McDaniel more or less states, Choi doesn’t possess a typical first-base offensive profile. Most of his batting value as a minor leaguer has been a product of his capacity to make contact and control the strike zone. Indeed, over the past two seasons, Choi has posted walk and strikeout rates of 13.0% and 14.1%, respectively, over 795 plate appearances. That sort of performance will probably allow him to hit like an average major leaguer — a suspicion which Steamer confirms, projecting Choi to produce a 100 wRC+ exactly. Over that same two-year interval, however, he’s hit just 24 home runs — or 18 home runs per every 600 PAs. Of the 41 seasons of two or more wins produced by first baseman between 2012 and -14, only seven of them (or roughly 17%) featured a rate of fewer than 18 homers per 600 plate appearances. In other words, it’s possible to post an average season at first base in the absence of above-average power, but it’s also unusual.
t2. D.J. Peterson, 3B (Profile)
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 550 | .222 | .267 | .372 | 82 | 0.9 |
Like Lara above, Peterson is listed here as a third baseman. Like Lara above, Peterson’s Steamer projection includes the third-base positional adjustment. Like Lara above, however, Peterson is unlikely to play a substantial amount of — or any — third base at the major-league level. There’s a bit more promise overall here, though, than with Lara — which is why Peterson receives a relatively promising forecast for a player with zero major-league experience entering just his age-23 season. Peterson is still making the majority of his defensive appearances at third base and he continued to exhibit pretty impressive power last year even after departing the inflate run environment of the High-A California League. Decidedly not a finished product, Peterson still appears to feature enough skill now at least to survive as a bench-type player in the majors.
1. Danny Hultzen, LHP (Profile)
| IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 150 | 8.8 | 3.5 | 0.9 | 3.76 | 1.8 |
There’s probably more agreement concerning what Hultzen is now than what he will be eventually. The last time he pitched as a professional, Hultzen was excellent, producing strikeout and walk rates of 27.6% and 5.7%, respectively, over 30.2 innings at Triple-A in 2013 — all of it in a starting capacity. That’s encouraging. Hultzen has had shoulder surgery in the meantime, however, which means even though his repertoire has looked promising this spring — and might even translate to performance in the short term — that there’s a greater cause for concern regarding Hultzen’s long-term future. It’s that uneasy relationship between his present and future which explains how Hultzen can receive the top projection among Mariners prospect for 2015 but still only profile as a 40-grade future-value pitcher in Kiley McDaniel’s estimation.
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does anyone have any commentary on Choi, including his suspension, injury, and profile
The last heard, Choi will miss 2015 with a shattered lower leg _and_ ankle AND a major shoulder injury, all on one freak impact with terra firm from a 1b collision. I’m not sure why this wasn’t mentioned in McDaniel’s summaries, but Choi won’t play this season. And given that, his odds of making the majors with a year lost at his age are closer to 0 than to any other whole number. I like Choi, but he got ruined in the blink of an eye this Spring. Pretty strange to include him in projections here as well. I mean, hypothetically he’s worth X, but realistically he’s worth zilch. I’d rather hear about somebody who might actually play.
I guess he is a reliever but Carson Smith should have some impact on the team this year.
Does Kivlehan not meet the requirements? I thought I might see him here, but I don’t know where to find “Rookie eligible” qualifications, so he must not qualify.
Thanks for the writeup.
Projection systems won’t like Pat Kivlehan due to his age. Which says more about projection systems than it does about Pat. The issue is PT. Even if several somebodies are hurt in Seattle, it’s hard to see McClendon giving Kivlehan any significant playing time in a ‘contending season,’ he’s going to shove Willie Boom-Boom into the line-up, and Nelson Cruz into the outfield as necessary. Very hard even for a good rookie to break in with spotty playing time at multiple positions. Kivlehan might project for good results, but won’t get the opportunity.
In the universe where Choi’s back allowed him to stay at catcher, he’d be an established major leaguer by now…
John Hicks and Carson Smither are the only Mariners’ prospects who have a shot at enough PT to actually matter in 2015. The newly acquired Mike Montgomery actually might bet pen time later in the the season if he pitches will as a AAA reliever. Even then, I don’t see any of them getting enough innings to meet their projections, used or not.
Julio Morban and Pat Kivlehan both might get call-ups if somebody is injured, but they’ll mostly sit on the bench. he one player in the Mariners’ minors who figures to play a significant role in 2015 isn’t a prospect, and shouldn’t be there: Roenis Elias. Odds are, he’ll get enough starts to have a shot at significant WAR, whether for an injured starter, an ineffective one, or simply to ease the innings load.
The Mariners’ FO is banking on veterans this year by all accounts. If any regular, or regular platoon player goes down, I fully expect the Mariners to deal for a veteran rather than bring up a prospect. To me, the Mariners would be more likely to _deal_ John Hicks for a veteran at a position that becomes one of need than they would be to actually play him. I’m just hoping that the Ms don’t deal away players like Pat Kivlehan, Ketel Marte, or Roenis Elias in such circumstances, should they occur. None of them are likely to be stars, true, but they are important depth guys who are cheap and close to the majors as of right now.
Both Paxton and Walker will be on some kind of innings limits, and you want to plan to have them available for the postseason, so there’s definitely a sixth starter in the mix one way or another. To that end there’s been some speculation on Mariner-specific sites that Roenis Elias might get a Tacoma-shuttle treatment, where he’s brought up to take a start each from Paxton and Walker (ie, two turns through the rotation) and then sent down again so McClendon can return to the specious security of his precious eight-man bullpen.
Of course it would be lovely if Hultzen works his way into the conversation by the end of season also, but that’s not something you can count on (especially since he’ll be on even tighter innings limits than the other two, so to the extent he’s effective he may get used up by then anyway).
I’d agree with the sentiment, but note that Sucre hardly has much more Major league experience than Hicks. If LogDog does his Smoak impression, Montero or Kivlehan or DJ may get 30 PAs to get hot at the right time and break through. No long trials are likely, I agree.