Thor Is Bigger, Stronger… and Riskier?

As spring-training camps open this week, as pitchers and catchers report to complexes across sunny Arizona and Florida, we are about to be inundated with stories suggesting a number of players are in the best shape of their careers. These are often players coming off down years, or veteran players who’ve dedicated the offseason to better diet and exercise with a view to lengthening their careers, or maturing players who’ve become more serious about their training and conditioning. Such claims are less often associated with 24-year-old pitchers who’ve just led the majors in WAR (6.5) and fastball velocity (98 mph) the previous season.

But Noah Syndergaard arrived bigger and stronger to Mets camp in Port St. Lucie, Florda, claiming to have added 15 pounds of muscle.

Syndergaard told the the New York Post and other outlets about one of his favorite dishes, which he used to add the lean mass and perhaps fight against deer overpopulation:

“My go-to is the Bowl of Doom,” Syndergaard said. “It’s sweet potato and hash with bacon, and you have buffalo in it and venison sausage, avocado and scrambled eggs, and that is plenty. That’s primarily what my diet consisted of this offseason.”

Resident pitching guru Eno Sarris already wrote this afternoon that the weight gain and other potential improvements could mean even better things for Syndergaard.

That we might not have seen the best of Syndergaard is a frightening prospect for opposing batters and a delightful one for the Mets, their fans, and admirers of dominant pitching. As good as Syndergaard was last season, he was also unlucky. It’s a point Corinne Landrey considered in December while suggesting that we haven’t seen the best of Syndergaard, noting the .334 BABIP he conceded last year despite weak average exit velocity.

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And the starting pitcher with the fastest fastball velocity, and added strength, made a bold goal for 2017. Said Syndergaard to the Post: “I always want to throw harder and continue to make the game easier.”

Wait, harder?

As exciting as all this sounds, perhaps someone should pump the breaks. For a pitcher who threw harder than any other starter, who threw a variant of a fastball on 60% of his offerings, more velocity might not be such a great development. While we don’t have a full understanding of why so many pitchers are breaking down, perhaps the body is being pushed beyond its physical limits with the strength and velocity increases in the game.

No one, among starter pitchers, is pushing limits like Syndergaard.

I’m thinking about how many hard-throwing, young starting pitchers we’ve seen undergo Tommy John surgery in recent years from the late Jose Fernandez to Stephen Strasburg to Mets teammate Matt Harvey.

Last spring, a Henry Ford Hospital study found a correlation between fastball usage and risk for Tommy John surgery.

“When the percentage of pitches thrown was evaluated, UCL reconstructed pitchers pitch significantly more fastballs than controls (46.7% vs. 39.4%, P?=?.035). This correlated to a 2% increase in risk for UCL injury for every 1% increase in fastballs thrown. Pitching more than 48% fastballs was a significant predictor of UCL injury, because pitchers over this threshold required reconstruction (P?=?.006).”

For years, it was thought that breaking pitches, like sliders, caused the most stress on the elbow. Perhaps it’s the fastball.

In a 2014 position paper authored by Dr. James Andrews and Dr. Glenn Fleisig, young pitchers were urged to follow a number of guidelines including this:

“Do not always pitch with 100% effort. The best professional pitchers pitch with a range of ball velocity, good ball movement, good control, and consistent mechanics among their pitches. The professional pitcher’s objectives are to prevent baserunners and runs, not to light up the radar gun.”

It seems to make sense that there would be benefits to not always maxing out as a pitcher. And according to a study of fastball velocity variation by Harry Pavlidis that was included in a USA Today piece, pitchers who had a greater separation between average fastball velocity and top velocity enjoyed better health.

According to Pavlidis’ data, 61 starting pitchers in 2013-14, feature more than a 4 mph difference between average fastball velocity and top fastball velocity. Last season, Syndergaard’s top fastball velocity was 101.4 mph, according to PITCHf/x. That’s only 2.5 mph greater than his average fastball.

Perhaps Syndergaard is too often throwing too hard, placing too much stress on his right ulnar collateral ligament, which is typically about 2 cm long and 1 cm wide. How much added stress should be placed upon the small ligament? On the first day of spring training, though, Syndergaard didn’t sound like a guy ready to take his foot and right elbow off the gas.

But Syndergaard is already so talented he would perhaps be better served by not always pitching at, or so close, to his top gear. A bigger, stronger, harder-throwing Syndergaard is difficult to comprehend, but it’s a profile that also comes with more risk. Godspeed, Thor. The Mets, and baseball, need you.





A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.

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Graham SingerMember since 2025
9 years ago

If Thor is adding strength and weight, could it be possible it just allows him to throw as hard as he did last year, but with lower risk?

Joe
9 years ago
Reply to  Graham Singer

No, you cannot add strength to your ligaments. The bigger and stronger your muscles are, the more stress you can put on your ligaments, thus increasing the risk of Tommy John. I feel like this was fairly well explained in the article…

JUICEMANE
9 years ago
Reply to  Joe

I might be getting terms confused between “ligaments” and “tendons” but I think you can strengthen those parts of your body. If i’m not mistaken I think gymnasts focus on strengthening these parts of their body.

tkim057
9 years ago
Reply to  JUICEMANE

Yeah tendons are different cuz they connect to your muscles. Ligaments are like rubber bands that keep you your bones together. You can’t strengthen those.

JUICEMANE
9 years ago
Reply to  tkim057

I just googled it and found different results…

wubbie075
9 years ago
Reply to  Joe

Joe, I am pretty sure you misunderstood Graham’s question. The article said “pitchers who had a greater separation between average fastball velocity and top velocity enjoyed better health.”

Graham was asking if raising his top velocity via the added muscle but chosing to only maintain the average velocity he posted last year rather than stepping it up as well would reduce his injury risk by increasing the difference between his top and average velocity.

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago
Reply to  wubbie075

Yeah it makes perfect sense to ask, when we’re hearing the recommendations made in terms of “percent”. But it might actually be “throw as slow as you can and still be good”, not in % of top gear but in absolute terms — not clear mechanically how reserve muscle is going to shield your UCL.

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago
Reply to  wubbie075

Here’s how throwing lower % might help: by not getting as tired. So this wouldn’t help the risk on an individual pitch, but it would help the risk of the 100th pitch of the game. The 95% starter might push it up to 98% to maintain the same velocity through the game, the 100% starter has to push 105%.

London Yank
9 years ago
Reply to  Joe

Bone, ligaments, and tendons all get stronger with exercise.

jrubyMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

I think the issue isn’t so much “you can’t strengthen ligaments/tendons” as “it’s relatively easy to strengthen muscle compared to ligaments/tendons, so if you’re not very careful you could end up with a situation where your muscles are exerting more force than your ligaments/tendons are prepared to keep up with.”

London Yank
9 years ago
Reply to  jruby

Yeah, agreed. I was just commenting on the strangely persistent myth that ligaments do not heal or strengthen.

Graves
9 years ago
Reply to  Graham Singer

You can’t ask a firecracker to tone it down. Just sit back and enjoy the show for as long as it lasts.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
9 years ago

That dish sounds ridiculously good

OkraMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Do you think it’s 2400 calories? Or merely 1800 snack?

Conrad ParrishMember since 2020
9 years ago

I understand the argument here, however if Syndergaard can effectively be Aroldis Chapman as a starter, why hold him back? As risky as it may seem, I think the idea of Syndergaard throwing Chapman velocity over the course of say, 7 innings, is too good to pass up.

Joe
9 years ago
Reply to  Conrad Parrish

Because having Thor available to average 97 mph for an entire season (and post-season) is WAAYYYY more valuable than having him throw 100+ and be out with a season-ending injury before the all-star break.

Don’t get me wrong, it is great to be able to reach back for 100+ when you need to get that important strike-out in a high-leverage situation…but it is just too taxing on the body to do all the time.

AnonMember since 2020
9 years ago

Maybe Thor is trying to create that 4 mph separation at the top end (max velo) rather than with the average. Thor averaged 98 last year, maybe he’s just trying to make the high-end 102+.

BTW, major props to Thor for posting that gif on his Twitter feed.

Love Thor.

SucramRenrutMember since 2017
9 years ago

I think Thor’s weight gain is being overblown. It sounds like he added about 1 lb of muscle per week of the off-season through a focused training program and eating a ton. Assuming he was actually 6’5″ 200 lbs at the end of the season, there is still a lot of room for muscle on his frame. Look at the gif. His butt and legs are average, and it’s easy to add weight there with heavy squats and deadlifts, never mind a state-of-the art program. It’s not like he was a jacked 270 with 4% body fat and trying to force another 15 pounds onto his frame.

Bernie Sanders
9 years ago
Reply to  SucramRenrut

There is literally 0% chance he was only 200 lbs at the end of the season. I would guess 220 at the very least, and likely more than that. This is a picture of him two years ago: http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/6/9/2/104807692/cuts/Noah_qkvz9h30_r6vym98l.JPG. Even if we assume he’s had absolutely no muscle growth since then, you can tell he was already in good shape.

Also, studies have shown it’s basically impossible to add 17 lbs of muscle in four months without extensive usage of some PED. When body builders and power lifters gain a lot of weight quickly, it’s well-known it’s almost 50% fat. That’s why it’s recommended to eat a ton of food to gain muscle more quickly, followed by cutting to lose the gained fat.

He probably did gain a good amount of muscle, but 17 lbs is certainly overstated. It’s hard to see an extra 8 lbs of fat on a 6’5″ 240 lbs frame, so it shouldn’t be surprising he thinks all of his weight gain was muscle.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Bernie Sanders

I didn’t know Bernie was on FanGraphs. Run for President in 2020!

flyingnimbus
9 years ago

I read this article and the linked story just to find out more about the Bowl of Doom. I can’t stop thinking about it, does anyone know where I may procure said bountiful feast for myself?

TanPadreFan
9 years ago
Reply to  flyingnimbus

Google Jackson Hole Buffalo Meat Co.
No venison but they have elk and buffalo.
The Bowl of Doom sounds good but I do NOT need the calories!

mtsw
9 years ago

If lower velocity = more health and endurance, how many pitches could Thor throw in a start if he threw like Mark Buehrle (or any other no-stuff guy)? 300? Could he pitch 500 innings?

I’m exaggerating, but maybe the next evolution of pitching will be effectively dialing back effort, especially with no men on base? It’s definitely a skill that plenty of older ballplayers seemed to have (Jim Palmer talks about it a lot on Orioles broadcasts, for example) and that’s virtually disappeared from the league, and from training youth players.

A version of Syndergaard who was 80% as good with no runners on, 100% as good with runners on, and could pitch 50 extra innings every season would be more valuable than the version of Syndergaard we have now, even leaving aside health, wouldn’t he?

turtlejew
9 years ago
Reply to  mtsw

you also assume that that 20% difference would lead to more innings vs the lost number of innings from facing more batters per inning. Which I would say maybe?

PC1970Member since 2024
9 years ago

When I see that list of hard throwers with TJ surgeries, the first thing I think of is what a freak Justin Verlander is. 11 years in MLB, 10 of them over 200 innings, when playoffs are included, 4 (in 5 years- 2009, 11, 12, 13) over 240 innings, when playoffs are included. Jim Leyland used to frequently let him go over 120 pitches, sometimes 130 pitches.

The only injury is a strained triceps in 2015.

GoatHerderMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

If I recall correctly, Verlander used to start at lower velocity, coast through the earlier innings and then ramp it later in the game and/or higher leverage situations.

PC1970Member since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  GoatHerder

Good point, he did/does. That said, if you look at SP average fastball velocity, from 2006-2012, he was 2nd in MLB 4x, 3rd 1x, 4th 1x, & 9th 1x (2008, a down year). He was 13th in 2013, 14th in 2016 with average speed that would have been in the Top 10 early in his career. Even saving “it” for big moments, he is/was still among the fastest in MLB for over a decade now.

You wonder if Thor would be better off on the same path. Would a few MPH off early in the game keep him healthier/give him more stamina without much drop in performance? Impossible to know for sure, but, something to ponder.

exxroxMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

I thought the same thing, especially considering how he would seemingly touch 100 more often in the 7th inning than the first innings. Not only enough in the tank to pitch as well as the early innings, but to do it even better.

Somebody should put Thor in touch with JV so they can talk about their craft. I can just imagine how the texting would go..

Thor: Hi, Mr Verlander.. This is Noah Syndergaard
Thor: Do you like to talk about fastballs?
JV: That’s my favorite thing.

22tbrads22
9 years ago

More risk is the complete opposite of what is happening here. As you add strength it takes more strain off of shoulder and elbow ligaments and tendons. This is in no way a negative thing. I don’t think he will jump in velo, but as for risk, this lowers his risk.

Baltar
9 years ago

Faster and faster until who knows what. Perhaps he should change his name to Jonathan Livingston Syndergard.

Max Power
9 years ago

First paragraph should be “led the majors in WAR among qualified pitchers”. That should be a ridiculous and unnecessary phrase, but Clayton Kershaw exists.

TINSTAAPP
9 years ago

Loved the article, just one nit to pick.

Just like Eno’s article, this one references WAR on a leaderboard that has a qualifying innings limit (thus eliminating Clayton Kershaw from the top of the leaderboard). This seems slightly disingenuous given that WAR is a counting stat.