Tom Seaver, Yusmeiro Petit, Hunter Strickland and Deception
“Tom Seaver, he had the whole package. Power, deception, command, everything,” said Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti last week before FanFest. We’d been talking about tipping pitches, and deception, but any time you hear about an icon in the same sentence as Yusmeiro Petit, you put down your recording device and start looking at some moving images.
Apologies for the graininess, but youtube video uploads from the mid-eighties transferred into GIF files and then through interwebs into your eyeballs were never destined for high-res glory. But if you read about how Yusmeiro Petit had an invisiball last October, then you might see something familiar when you look at this Tom Seaver GIF.
There’s another part of the highlight video that’s maybe in better shape, or at least shows us in slow-mo how deception can work on the mechanical level.
Much like Petit, Seaver holds the ball back behind his elbow and then flips it up at the last second. Makes the pitch hard to see, and when young Seaver was hurling his power fastball, curve, and slider, that elbow flick was part of why he was so good.
But it doesn’t look like any of his scouting reports mentioned his deception.
“Scouts don’t admit it,” said Righetti. Nowadays you might get a nod to deception in the scouting report, but if it’s not denigrated, it’s usually an asterisk. Maybe it has to do with how hitters see deception. “Hitters can’t tell anyone — they don’t want to admit it to another guy, ‘I can’t see it’ — and some pitchers do it and don’t want to tell,” said the Giants pitching coach on the subject.
But deception is important. That he’ll agree with. Super important, and something that teams could benefit from quantifying. “If a batter can see you and read you, it doesn’t matter how good you are, it’s a waste of time,” said Righetti.
The way Petit gets deception doesn’t even necessarily put him at risk either, thought the pitching coach. “He’s never been hurt — it’s the style he throws,” said Righetti. “He doesn’t lead to the point where he’s pushing the ball. As long as he gets his hand through the baseball and finishes, that’s the key, otherwise everything is up and flat.”
But it’s not always easy to teach. Take Hunter Strickland. By pitch shape and small-sample results, this former farmhand with a starter’s arsenal should be a lock as future closer. Ever since the surgeries, he’s had big velocity — he “gained a little bit of velocity after each surgery” — but maybe relieving just fits him better. “It feels like more my mentality,” Strickland admitted.
In any case, this guy with a 98 mph fastball, an 85 mph breaking ball that got whiffs more than 20% of the time, and a rarely-used (so far) split-finger with a similar whiff rate — this guy should be closing, not giving up home runs.
Maybe he was tipping his pitches. Strickland himself admitted he’d heard about the “glove tap, the tipping pitches thing,” but if you look at the videos below — created lovingly by Grant Brisbee, linked above — Strickland taps his glove on all of his pitches. It’s not easy to see that he’s tapping the glove differently on any one pitch, at least. Ask his pitching coach and he’s succinct: “I’m not going to go into a guy tipping.”
The fastball.
The breaking ball.
Okay then. But Strickland did have one more thing to offer. “I threw a bullpen to Pablo during the postseason, he couldn’t pick up what pitches I was throwing, he said he might be able to see the ball a little longer,” said Strickland. That much maybe you can see. Take a look at his hand once it comes around the side, and try to judge if it’s there longer on the breaking pitch. That might be harder to correct, especially since he doesn’t have that same natural funk in his delivery that Seaver and Petit show.
Command has a part to play in Strickland’s issues late last year. “If I’m going to get beat late in the game, it’s going to be to the big part of the field,” Strickland said about throwing mostly to the outside corner. His problems as he saw it came more from hitting his spots.
But if he was tipping pitches, he was giving up any deception he might have had. And when you let batters see the ball too well… “Even bad hitters can hit you,” as Righetti put it. Or good hitters in the postseason, even.
With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.



Enjoyed that the scouting report was filed by Tommy Lasorda
Is there any indication that Righetti tweaked his mechanics in any way, when Petit was called up in 2013? When he was a prospect for the Mets, he was labeled as a guy who can strike out minor league hitters with deception even though he doesn’t have good ‘stuff’. The numbers were there, but scouts didn’t know if his success can translate at higher levels.
If you look at his stats after being traded for Delgado, they’re horrendous. From 2006 through 2011, he played in AAA and MLB, he played for several organizations, he played in the Mexican league – and he never had an ERA under 4.00 (in many cases, it was way higher). His FIP was consistently awful. He looked like a player that has no right pitching in the high minors, let alone the majors.
He fared well in AAA during the 2012 season, but couldn’t replicate that success the following year (4.52 ERA, with a FIP almost as bad). In a nutshell, he wasn’t deceiving anyone.
Then he was called up at the end of 2013, and he got major league hitters out. 2014 comes around, and he continues to get hitters out. The playoffs come, and he’s an elite pitcher. The same pitcher that failed to get anyone out from 2006 through mid-2013 suddenly became a weapon as soon as the Giants called him up. Why the sudden change?
He wouldn’t let me in all the way. It has to do with his curve being thrown more like a slider, I think. He said it was a mentality thing and that Petit finally understood he could be a starter, throwing strikes with 89 instead of 95. But I think it’s more about that curve, which had the top whiff rate among curves last year.
Posey, Righetti also talked at great length about pitch sequencing, and how he (Petit) particularly benefits more than most by getting up in the count early.
Yusmeiro Petit was the classic numbers vs. scouts guy. His minors numbers were filthy, but the scouts, who thought his HR rate would shoot up in the majors, were right, he couldn’t make it work in the majors. Maybe with HRs down, and playing in pitcher’s park, his style works again.
If you throw 98 mph but your pitches don’t move, deception might not help much. Strickland’s ball is flat. Randy Johnson had the same problem at some point with Yankees – throwing hard’s not enough.
Strickland needs to take a little off his heater if it will allow him to get the ball to move; develop a third pitch, which will give him a leg up re:deception; and learn to channel his temper so he’s not calling Venezuelans “boy” just because he sucked in the playoffs last year.
He did say he’s spending his time working on a sinker.
It may have been flat in the post-season, but it wasn’t leading up to that. Read the scouting reports, and they all mention he had both speed and movement, and could locate it well. Nerves, maybe?
Great stuff, Eno. Thanks.