Travis Sawchik FanGraphs Chat
12:07 |
: Howdy, folks
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12:08 |
: Some technical difficulties today getting the chat up and going … so the queue is wide open at the moment
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12:10 |
: Its Thanksgiving. Take the day off.
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12:10 |
: This should be a paid holiday …. Four playoff games!
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12:11 |
: How worried should Indians fans be?
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12:12 |
: A little? If Severino pitches like Severino we could be looking at a Game 5
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12:12 |
: I’m curious to see Bauer on short rest
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12:12 |
: I do not like the narrative that the Yankees are rebuilding, they have a 200 mil dollar payroll..
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12:13 |
: True but we don’t usually see the Yankees sell like they did at last year’s deadline and load up on resources to play for tomorrow instead of today
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12:13 |
: Do you agree with Francona going to Bauer on short rest?
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12:14 |
: I like Bauer over Tomlin. I assume this will be an all-hands-on-deck game
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12:14 |
: Why is there so many narratives that the Indians are in trouble after a 1-0 loss? They were inches away from leading 2-1, had a runner 60 feet from home in the 3rd and they forced Chapman to throw 30 pitches last night. Yankees still have to win 2 in a row..
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12:15 |
: Indians are still in good shape, for sure.
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12:16 |
: So…how bad was Girardi’s non-challenge Friday? Like, historically bad, right?
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12:17 |
: Pretty bad, Shuck. Really bad
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12:17 |
: It’s snowing in Denver, hitting the bar at 11 am for Stros / BoSox long lunch; this afternoon at work should be fun!!!
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12:17 |
: I kind of wish this was happening on a Saturday
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12:18 |
: If baseball went to the KBO-style wild card format, which this author proposed, it could potentially have a day like this — of four playoff games and each being an elimination game for at least one club (another shameless plug for this idea)
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12:19 |
: I pissed off the Baseball Gods by comparing the 1st two games of the Stros/BoSox series to a Varsity / JV scrimmage. I was severely punished in Game 3. How do I make amends?
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12:20 |
: Rick Porcello
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12:20 |
: Bryce Harper’s Homerun though
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12:20 |
: So great
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12:21 |
: We just need that dude to tone it down 10 percent on the bases and in the field so we can enjoy some more full seasons
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12:21 |
: Would you support moving awards ballot submission until after the postseason? or do you think voters would weigh a few weeks of games disproportionately to the entire season?
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12:21 |
: I saw that proposed by Bill James … but I don’t like the idea
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12:22 |
: NY writers on Saturday post articles that Tanaka likely not opting out. Tanaka pitches magnificently on Sunday. How is it even a question of whether he opts out or not?
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12:22 |
: I’d be shocked if he didn’t opt out
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12:22 |
: Does the Ken Griffey/Bryce Harper comp look good to you?
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12:22 |
: Griffey is somewhere on the comp list top 10, I think
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12:23 |
: if you are joe girardi and the yankees force game 5, would you give any thought to pitching cc over sonny?He has been better lately and he loves the preassure.
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12:23 |
: I’d be bullpening
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12:24 |
: Regarding the Bauer/Kluber start alignment, I could not help but think back to the 1912 World Series, where the [then] New York Giants started rookie Jeff Tesreau at home against Boston’s Smoky Joe Wood. The move did not pay off on all levels: The Giants lost 4-3 in Game 1. Hall of Famer Christy Mathewson, starting Game 2 on the road, gave up six unearned runs on five New York errors and the game ended in an eleven inning tie. Mathewson started three of the World Series games but ended up with two losses and a no decision, despite a 0.94 ERA in three complete games (Game Eight also ended in extras!).
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12:24 |
: Past is prelude
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12:24 |
: Which of the 2017 playoff teams would you say is least likely to make the playoffs in 2018?
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12:24 |
: Twins and Rockies
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12:25 | : Travis, looking for your thoughts: |
12:25 |
: Can I borrow your log-in info?
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12:26 |
: Devinski looks worn out, you think the Astros pushed him too hard in the first half?
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12:26 |
: Maybe? But he only pitched 28 second half innings
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12:27 |
: With the number of arms the Yankees have, why leave in Chapman, Betances beyond their comfort zone? Betances was about to tie his mark for longest outing on Friday, and we see what Chapman becomes when he is overworked in last year’s Series.
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12:27 |
: You could argue that Georgia Roddy is having a tough series
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12:27 |
: Which team facing elimination today has the best chance to come back and win the series?
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12:28 |
: Yankees with Severino and that bullpen
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12:29 |
: If you were quoting the Tempest, “The past is prologue.”
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12:29 |
: Dammit. That’s what I wanted to say before failing terribly
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12:29 |
: So…what happened to Danny Salazar?
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12:30 |
: He’s in the bullpen …. You can debate whether the Indians would be better off having started a full rest Clevinger or Salazar over short-rest Bauer
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12:30 |
: But all three will be available
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12:30 |
: I am fascinated by Tanaka’s situation. His arm seems to be likely to fall off at anytime but, at the same time, GM’s fall all over themselves for anything that even faintly resembles a starting pitcher. Do you think there will be a bidding war if he opts out?
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12:30 |
: I do in terms of AAV …but I’m not sure if the years will be there
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12:32 |
: no idea who Georgia Roddy is
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12:32 |
: Say it aloud with me …
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12:33 |
: The Yankees bullpen is starting to look gassed and it’s game 4 of the ALDS. Granted Girardi could be a little more diverse, but how much can you reasonably expect from Chad Green, Robertson and Chapman at this point?
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12:34 |
: Could use some dominant innings from Severino, for sure
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12:34 |
: Early hindsight (in light of the yankees young players performing well): Dombrowski really messed up by shortening his team’s window to compete OR thank heavens Dombrowski emptied the farm now because this year and next are the best bets
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12:34 |
: I generally prefer extending the window for as long as possible because the postseason is just crazy
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12:35 |
: I’d rather have, say, 6 dice rolls over 2
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12:35 |
: On the tandem-start/pseudo-bullpenning issue, am I wrong in thinking that Tomlin once through the order would be the best second guy in, particularly given his time-through-the-order stats? Are MLB batters able to adjust from Insert Spinny Fireballer Here to Tomlin easily enough that that’s not going to make a statistically significant distance?
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12:36 |
: I’m not sure there is a ton of research on this subject but is interesting and suspect there could be something to it …. BTW, the Factor of Sadness is one of the most efficient and reliable assembly lines in the country. Go Browns.
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12:37 |
: OMG
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12:37 |
: What happened?
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12:37 |
: is most defenitely the word.
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12:37 |
: He’s going to be really good if he can stay on the field
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12:37 |
: Smoltz has been saying on TV that Kluber, Carrasco, and Bauer are all the same type of pitcher and that the Yankee hitters can adjust. I think this is stupid since you can’t really get used to good fastballs/good bendy pitches. Your thoughts?
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12:38 |
: I think they are all differently enough that that’s not the case …and good stuff is still good stuff
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12:39 |
: Bauer’s curveball shape is much different than Kluber and Carrasco’s breaking balls
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12:39 |
: The Red sox would have finished 79-83 or worse without Sale and Kimbrel. Worry about 2022 when it is 2020.
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12:39 |
: That’s the flip side … but they’re probably not advancing beyond the ALDS
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12:39 |
: A day like this is better than Christmas, right? 4 baseball games with the (arguably) 8 best teams in baseball
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12:40 |
: It’s pretty incredible, really
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12:40 |
: KBO-STYLE WILD CARD ROUND, FOLKS. Let’s make it happen
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12:40 |
: Actually, it’s “What’s past is prologue.”
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12:40 |
: Today’s lesson!
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12:41 |
: Long term, who do you like better, Matt Olson or Rhys Hoskins?
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12:41 |
: Can I have both?
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12:42 |
: I like Hoskins’ offensive profile better …but Olson rates as a pretty good defender
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12:42 |
: Chris Sale was amazing this season. I’m in no way implying that this is why he is “wearing down”, but do you think managers will start taking guys like Sale out in the 6th inning even if he only has 80 pitches? Just because a guy can go 110+ pitches, doesn’t mean he should in the regular season. There were multiple times where Ferrel would leave Sale in even if they had a lead.
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12:42 |
: Yeah, I think Sale pitched too much this season
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12:42 |
: And part of that is perhaps tied to chasing an individual award
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12:43 |
: thoughts on Greg Bird longterm? .275 30HR and solid OBP?
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12:43 |
: I think that’s a plausible line
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12:43 |
: If the Red Sox survive this round, do the Red Sox move Price to a starter in the LCS?
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12:43 |
: I don’t think so … but it’s possible
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12:43 |
: GO BROaaawwww *trudges away*
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12:44 |
: Since 1999
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12:44 |
: Actually, it’s “what’s passed is prolonged”.
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12:44 |
: Stop tormenting me, Gary
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12:45 |
: Can you tell me if Nick DeSedas would be a good option for the White Sox with the #4 pick?
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12:46 | : A better question for Eric … Here’s a really early mock |
12:46 |
: The yanks payroll is about to fall off a cliff, Arod -25M, CC -23M if he resigns it will be 10M so then -13M, Holliday -13M, Frazier -$13M, Pineda -$8M, Tanaka opts out -$22M, so that is about $100M coming off the books and maybe another $15M if they trade Gardner to open up the spot for Hick/Frazier. And all those guys have internal replacements, CC can resign, Adams comes up, Bird/Frazier 1B/DH,
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12:46 |
: Yankees are in a really good place
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12:46 |
: What does the MLB think about 5 hour playoff games? I’m an Indians fan and this can be exhausting.
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12:47 |
: These game times are getting out of hand
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12:48 |
: Here is an argument against bullpen games. If in another game a starter is removed early that is two games the bullpen has to pitch a lot of innings. Fatigue has to set in. Especially this late in the season.
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12:49 |
: True …but the travel/off days help
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12:49 |
: I understand that they want more revenue, but they should probably get rid of the extra minute of commercial time, it really makes these games take forever.
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12:49 |
: What they could do is just keep batters in the box
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12:50 |
: Is Eddie Rosario breakout real? His contact rate is better than I thought on first blush. Is the power going to last?
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12:50 |
: I think his 2017 level is pretty for real
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12:51 |
: Which move do you like more: Sale available in the bullpen, Baez being benched against Scherzer?
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12:51 |
: I’d like each to be more involved
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12:51 |
: Next year, will Gray be a back end starter for the Yankees? or something more?
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12:51 |
: I think he’ll be something more
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12:52 |
: What’s your official prediction – do the Yankees have all the momentum now with Green/Kahnle rested behind Sevy today and come back to beat the Indians in 5 or is a 2-1 deficit still too much to overcome?
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12:52 |
: I still think the Indians are pretty heavy favorites to advance …75 percent chance, or so, to advance to ALCS
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12:53 |
: Do you buy the narrative that the Yanks pen is wearing down? Chapman and Betances have been virtually untouchable in their respective outings this postseason. As has Robertson, up until his two batter outing last night. I don’t think Green threw the ball all that poorly in G2 despite the results. Lots of good fastballs that Jackson, Gomes, and Chisenhall just barely kept fouling off. And Kahnle threw the ball pretty well in the Wild Card game.
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12:53 |
: I don’t ….I mean Andrew Miller didn’t really wear out until Game 7 of the World Series last year
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12:55 |
: Are you questioning me again, Travis?
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12:55 |
: Doubling down!
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12:55 |
: Sorry, I had just read the Georgia Roddy out loud. TOO REAL
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12:55 |
: Very real
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12:56 |
: Whose splits matter more, a hitter’s or a pitcher’s? Thinking of Harper vs. CJ Edwards. Edwards is better than most lefties at getting lefties out, but Harper’s splits matter, too.
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12:57 |
: They each factor in, of course, but I would side with pitcher since the action begins there
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12:57 |
: So 8th inning of Cubs/Nats on Saturday. Is that a series changer in your opinion, or a blip in the series? What do you expect from Scherzer today?
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12:58 |
: If Scherzer’s 100 percent, I think he’ll be great
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12:59 |
: Crazy Hypothetical: who would say no in a trade between the Astros and Angels where the Angels trade Mike Trout (after this post season) for the Astros current position in the playoffs.
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12:59 |
: I think I’d rather have Mike Trout and begin my offseason earlier than expected
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12:59 |
: Let’s get Trout on the Astros
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1:00 |
: It took me about 30 minutes to understand that Georgia Roddy thing
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1:00 |
: You should always read this chat transcript aloud and with a British accent
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1:01 |
: If you’re Girardi, is your pitching plan today the same as it was in the WC game? Green still first in, even as early as the first inning? And would your leash for Sevy be even shorter if he just doesn’t look right immediately?
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1:01 |
: It would be similar. I wouldn’t worry about Game 5 until I’m there
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1:01 |
: “The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”
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1:01 |
: Nice!
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1:01 |
: I like where this is going
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1:02 |
: Maybe we almost had it with Giambi recently, but when does the player-manager return? Follow-up: Which playoff manager do you trust most to take a ninth inning at bat with the game on the line? Hinch? Roberts?
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1:02 |
: Roberts. He could leg out an infield hit
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1:03 |
: I still don’t get the Georgia Roddy reference and my coworkers probably think I’ve lost my mind saying it outloud…
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1:04 |
Instead of worryin about rhythm, Georgia Roddy should focus on his resume.
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1:06 |
: Georgia Roddy = Joe Girardi, I know its not that close but I guess if you say it with a NY accent and sandwich in your mouth its close
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1:06 |
: How about JoeJa Roddy
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1:06 |
: Game time! The beverages are in the fridge, but the diet is going to be very suspect today.
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1:07 |
: Your diet can wait
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1:07 |
: Until Tuesday
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1:07 |
: Alright folks, there’s an actual live blog beginning right now on our fine Web site so I have to get out of the way …
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1:07 |
: Thanks for stopping by
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1:07 |
: Until next week … Do good and be good …and remember the past is prologue
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A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.
— Bryce Harper, age 19-24: 27.7 fWAR … 26.1 bWAR … 5.3 WAR*/150 games.
— Junior Griffey, age 19-24: 34.9 fWAR … 37.0 bWAR … 6.4 WAR*/150 games.
(* Averaging fWAR and bWAR)
I get why folks anoint Harper, but so far he’s a very good player who has had one great year. The 4 projections cited on FG averaged 5.2 WAR for him this year in 145 games; he fell short on the totals while improving his rate, so I think they have him pegged about right.
Griffey at age 25 still had his peak years ahead of him. Harper may, too — aging patterns predict so — but we don’t know that, or what those may look like. What we do know right now is that Harper so far isn’t in Junior’s class.
The best possible framing of this comparison from Harper’s perspective is age 22-24. But even with his MVP in there, Harper’s just 13th in MLB with 16.2 bWAR in that span. Griffey during his 22-24 was 2nd to Bonds with 21.4 bWAR.
Harper’s not even the hitter Junior was through the same age — Junior leads OPS+ by 149-140 for 19-24, and by 164-156 for 22-24 — and obviously Junior was a much more valuable fielder. So, talk to me when Harper has a second great year.