What a Giancarlo Stanton Extension Might Look Like
With the Marlins hanging around the periphery of the Wild Card race, there’s a strong chance that Giancarlo Stanton is going to win the NL MVP award. He’s the classic traditional candidate, leading the league in home runs and runs batted in, and the Marlins small gap from the Wild Card leaders will allow people to talk themselves into his performance having come in games that mattered. With all of the other top candidates requiring the rejection of some long held ideal, Stanton looks like a pretty easy choice for someone who likes the way that MVPs have traditionally been selected.
This may actually be bad news for the Marlins, however. An MVP trophy would be nice recognition for the franchise’s best player, but it would also increase his asking price in arbitration, and Stanton is already in a position where he has significant leverage. The Marlins have thus far eschewed trade requests for their right fielder, hopeful that they can convince him to sign a long-term deal to stay in Miami, but an MVP trophy might make a tough road even more difficult. Let’s look at the kinds of numbers Stanton may very well ask for to pass up the chance to hit free agency after the 2016 season.
The first thing to keep in mind is that Stanton is well past the point at which one could argue he should take a significant discount on his market value in order to accumulate the most-valuable first few millions of dollars and set himself up for life. Stanton made $6.5 million in salary this year, and his 2014 performance has already guaranteed him a significant raise for next year.
A reasonable estimate of his arbitration award is probably around $12 million — for comparison, Chris Davis got a $7 million raise after his 2013 season, which came at the same serivce time level — with a bump to maybe $15M if he wins the MVP trophy. Before even sitting down at the negotiating table, Stanton’s already going to have a minimum guarantee in the tens of millions for next year, and he simply doesn’t need to exchange risk for short-term financial security. He already has that.
We can roughly assume Stanton’s in line for about $30 million in arbitration payouts over the next two seasons, maybe $35 million if he wins the MVP this year. So, the question is how many additional years he would require to be bought to out to skip the free agent bidding war that he’s very likely in line for, and what kind of price he’d require for those years.
If Stanton doesn’t sign an extension, he’ll hit free agency heading into his age-27 season, so this is going to be his best shot to land a massive contract, but it also doesn’t need to be his only one. He probably won’t do the Mike Trout thing and sign away just three free agent years, but he also doesn’t need to sign a contract that locks him up for the rest of his career. If he signed an eight year deal this winter — selling six free agent years in the process — he could still hit free agency again at age-33. Or he could choose a Joey Votto-style deal that doesn’t even kick in until after his arbitration years, essentially locking up as many years as possible in advance.
Let’s evaluate both options, starting with the shorter deal. We’ll assume that the structure of the two arbitration years will remain roughly the same, so he’ll get something like $30 million in 2015 and 2016 regardless, so a short-term extension would just buy out six free agent years in advance, covering ages 27 to 32. This deal would be almost perfectly ideal for a team, as it would cover his peak years and very little of his decline phase, combining elite reward with only moderate risk for a contract of this size. Which is why Stanton almost certainly wouldn’t have to give much of a discount in order to get a team on board for signing a deal like this.
While Stanton is going to put up a +6 WAR season this year, and he’s young enough that he could get a little bit better, we should be somewhat conservative with his playing time estimates going forward, given that this is only the second year in his career in which he’s topped 600 plate appearances. Given his size and history of knee problems, a +5 WAR projection going forward is probably fair, though if you want to be a little more aggressive with the forecast, there’s certainly a case to be made that Peak Stanton could be a +6 WAR player. But we’ll stick with the somewhat conservative +5 WAR estimate for now, and you can always adjust these estimates up if you prefer a more aggressive projection. Here’s a very basic forecast for Stanton’s value in those six free agent years, if we assume that he’s a +5 WAR player through his prime.
| Year | Age | WAR | $/WAR | Value |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2017 | 27 | 5.0 | $7.0 | $35.0 |
| 2018 | 28 | 5.0 | $7.4 | $36.8 |
| 2019 | 29 | 5.0 | $7.7 | $38.6 |
| 2020 | 30 | 4.5 | $8.1 | $36.5 |
| 2021 | 31 | 4.0 | $8.5 | $34.0 |
| 2022 | 32 | 3.5 | $8.9 | $31.3 |
In two years, the price of a win in free agency is going to be much higher than $7 million apiece — roughly what it was at last winter — but the recent trend in long-term extensions has been to use something close to the current price of a win as a stand-in for the discount the player is taking for getting a big deal before reaching free agency. In other words, they sell their risk for the expected future inflation, so while Stanton would get more than this in free agency, we’re trying to estimate Stanton’s extension price, which is more likely to use something closer to $7 million per win as a starting point.
But even at $7 million per win with only five percent inflation, and with a potentially conservative +5 WAR estimate for his peak years, we’re still looking at $212 million in expected value over those six free agent years. Toss in the two arbitration years and roughly $30 million he’ll get for those years, and a total extension on these assumptions would be $240 million over eight years.
That deal would almost exactly match what Miguel Cabrera got from the Tigers — $248 million over eight years — this spring, when he also two years away from free agency, and Cabrera is certainly a viable comparison for Stanton as a player. But then again, the Tigers were buying Cabrera’s age 33-40 seasons, while Stanton would be selling 27-32, and even though Stanton might not have Cabrera’s resume (yet), the difference in their placements on the aging curves are significant enough where its difficult to see Stanton taking less than what Cabrera got a few months ago. Cabrera’s deal feels like a floor, and Stanton has plenty of leverage to demand a deal above that mark.
So let’s look at the longer deal, and say Stanton knows he can get a 10 year contract in free agency, so he won’t settle for anything less than that now. These longer deals come with a break on annual average value, so he wouldn’t get the same annual salary, but if he’s just concerned with maxing out guaranteed years and dollars, Votto did set a precedent for this kind of extension at the same level of service time as Stanton has now. We’ll look at the same chart as above, only extending our four additional years, and also adding a final column that incorporates a 10% discount on the AAV to make up for the extra guaranteed years.
| Year | Age | WAR | $/WAR | Value | 10% Discount |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2017 | 27 | 5.0 | $7.0 | $35.0 | $31.5 |
| 2018 | 28 | 5.0 | $7.4 | $36.8 | $33.1 |
| 2019 | 29 | 5.0 | $7.7 | $38.6 | $34.7 |
| 2020 | 30 | 4.5 | $8.1 | $36.5 | $32.8 |
| 2021 | 31 | 4.0 | $8.5 | $34.0 | $30.6 |
| 2022 | 32 | 3.5 | $8.9 | $31.3 | $28.1 |
| 2023 | 33 | 3.0 | $9.4 | $28.1 | $25.3 |
| 2024 | 34 | 2.5 | $9.8 | $24.6 | $22.2 |
| 2025 | 35 | 2.0 | $10.3 | $20.7 | $18.6 |
| 2026 | 36 | 1.5 | $10.9 | $16.3 | $14.7 |
The full current-market rate for those 10 years comes out to $302 million, with the 10% discount knocking it down to $270 million. But remember, these numbers don’t include the two arbitration years, which add another ~$30 million to the total, so even with the 10% discount assumption on a super-long deal, we’d be looking at a total contract worth $300 million over 12 years.
The Votto deal is the natural comparison here, as his deal was 10/$225M that started after the existing 2/$26M ended, so at the point the Reds signed his deal, they had $251 guaranteed him $251 million over 12 seasons. Votto had a better track record than Stanton when he signed his contract, but he was also four years older, and baseball contracts have only gotten more expensive since that deal was signed. If Stanton decides he wants to max it years and dollars, he’s going to be able to beat the mark Votto set two years ago with relative ease.
The $300 million figure isn’t some kind of crazy ask; it’s actually based on several conservative estimates. My $/WAR estimates are lower than Matt Swartz’s, for instance, so if you went with his calculations, you’d start at around $8 million per win, not $7 million. And I didn’t include any potential improvement from Stanton during his prime, maxing out his estimated value at a mark below what he’s already accomplished twice in the last three years. Not only could you argue for a higher price-per-win, but you could realistically suggest that even these performance estimates might be too low. If you used a +6 WAR projection and $8 million per win, his 10 year valuation — not including the two arbitration years — comes out to $401 million.
I don’t think there’s any chance Stanton asks for $400 million, nor do I think any team would seriously entertain that figure. We’ll have to see the league crack $300 million before anyone even thinks about a deal starting with a four, and that’s the barrier that Stanton can try to break through if he wants. If he decides to go shorter term and set himself up for two big free agent contracts in his career, maybe he settles for something just north of what Cabrera got in March: 8/$250M, perhaps. But if he wants to max out years and dollars, there’s nothing wrong with asking for 12/$300M. If he stays healthy, he could easily be a good value even at that price.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
Unlikely that the inflation rate is so high until 2026. Revenues will not keep going up at the current pace forever.
yeah I think you are correct
it is so easy to forget that there are always boom bust cycles built into the economy of everything
That’s what they’ve been saying about revenue and baseball salaries ever since free agency started in the 70’s.
I remember a Sports Illustrated cover story from back in those days…
“There’s going to be a $200,000 ball player soon, and I hope it’s me!”
It doesn’t matter if there’s going to be a bubble that bursts. Teams are going to behave as if it won’t if they want to sign Stanton. We are talking about what he will get, not if there’s going to be a catastrophe attached to the deal – winner’s curse exists for a reason.
The Marlins could get such a monster return in a trade right now… Gotta be tempting…
This is the popular perception but I don’t believe that it’s actually true. Boston keeps getting brought up, yet unless they’re including Bogaerts the offer is going to be several B+ prospects but no one elite, and I say that having been higher on Betts coming into the season than almost anyone else. The Cubs are really the only team I could see making an offer that the Marlins accept right now, as they could wait and still get B+ prospects for Stanton after next season.
I could see the Marlins making Giancarlo one of the offers mentioned above, as they have been willing to spend money on certain players, but I suspect that they would have to include either a full or broad no-trade clause to entice him.
If he wants to stay in Miami, he’ll acquiesce to the shorter deal with an opt out clause.
So far there has been zero indication that he wants to stay in Miami
Maybe all the negative comments he makes about the organization are just him playing hard to get.
his mouth is saying no but his mind is screaming yes
He’ll be a Red Sox this winter. Book it.
they’re prob more likely to wait until he hits the FA market.
Keep dreaming you uninformed loser.
Giancarlo is staying in Miami. I can not wait for the day he signs his contract and stays in Miami so I can watch all the Massholes cry when they realize their ridiculous pipe dreams of even beginning to think they will ever get Stanton are crushed.
It seems you are both a tad overconfident, but I like your passion. If he does get traded to the Sox I hope Betts doesn’t have to be part fo the deal. On the other hand, do you think Miami is ready for another round of heavy investing in their team?
Hey Pfft, d’ ya have to use so many danged cuss words?
one?
OK, dude. Have it your way.
Betts, Owens and Swihart will get you in the door.
Bringing in Cespedes and Craig makes me think no.
And Rusney.
I would say corner outfield is very much up for grabs, nobody can predict who will get a ton of innings there down the road for the sox. Center has basically been handed to Castillo, but Cespedes is only in left for another year, as is Victorino in right who additionally has major injury concerns. Craig may be here on a longer contract, but has injury concerns himself.
Boston’s outfield prospects are no locks either, its hard to imagine JBJ in Boston next year (I hope he goes back to AAA and figures it out, but chances are he’s traded. Betts has been all over, but he was originally an infield prospect anywho, and is certainly Boston’s best trade chip this winter.
Then there’s Nava and Holt, who honestly shouldn’t prevent playing time from going to anyone who shows a glimpse of promise.
Stanton has a major strike against him – at age 24, he already has a substantial injury history. Mike Trout has a clean bill of health and so did Votto at the time of his new contract. Even though he’s been healthy this year, it’s quite likely that Stanton will continue to either be an injury risk or have to move to first base to mitigate said risk, both of which will drive down his value.
Stanton’s contract might end up closer to Tulo’s current one ($157.8m / 10 Years) than the A-Rod contract(s).
I wish I had Stanton’s injury history.
Not anymore.
True that, god bless the young man.
Yeah, acknowledging his injury history as a very young man and then saying he’d be good value if he stays healthy for the next 12(!) years seems to be a pretty rose-colored way of looking at things. Though I suppose that’s all you can do in a hypothetical-contract article. Good read!
The injury history might not have a big effect on a shorter-term deal, but I think it makes it difficult to claim that he could get at least a 10-year deal in free agency. Recent guys who got 10 years:
Cano – coming off seven straight seasons of at least 159 (!!) games
Pujols – At least 143 games in all eleven major league seasons (Average 155)
Votto – Extension coming after playing in 150+ games in 3/4 previous seasons (avg 148)
Compare this to Stanton (assuming 160 games this season), who will enter the offseason with 150+ games in just two of his previous five seasons (with an average of 138).
Pujols had a pretty long list of injuries that he was playing through at the time he signed with the Angels. He probably wouldn’t have gotten that type of money from anyone but Arte Moreno, who had fallen in love with him.
The Cardinals offered him 210.
If I were the Marlins I would resolve this situation fast so if you have to trade him, you are doing at close to or at peak value.
But Stanton also would need to want to do so. And there’s no indication that he wants to resolve this fast.
Cabrera’s deal was stupid when signed, so making it the floor doesn’t make sense. Stanton is a better player to sign than Cabrera, but he might not be better than the fantasy Cabrera I can only assume the Tigers thought they were signing.
They knew exactly what Cabrera they were signing: one who would be horibly overpaid but not until Mike Ilitch was dead and Dave Dombrowsky was ready to retire. His contract suits current ownership and management fine.
Your point stands, though. That contract wasn’t made with sound long term planning in mind.
I’m surprised by the up-votes on this. Miggy is an all-time great with a low-effort swing and has every pitcher’s number in both ability and approach. His defense and speed won’t age well, and maybe injuries become more common. If you can find a better bet for long-term value with the bat though, I don’t think I would agree with you. In a year where he’s been affected by a nagging leg injury, he’s still one of the best hitters in baseball. That’s what you pay for that type of player; I’d take him over someone like Cano any day, even if you lop a few years off his bloated deal.
I think 10years/270M will be better.
Because I didn’t think a linear aging curve for very lone extension is pretty make sense.
You should take more WAR(more than 0.5WAR)after 33 years old than 30 years old.
Some articles in Taiwan says(I am a Taiwanese)that Stanton will worth nearly 270M for his extension.
I want to kick back frozen barley pops with you
I have a few issues with this.
First, as a Marlins fan, none of these scenarios are likely to be accurate. Stanton will not sign beyond six years in Miami. If he commits to an extension, it will be for 5-6 years and still make him a free agent in time to collect another huge payday, similar to Mike Trout’s extension with the Angels.
Second, I am less conservative about Stanton’s arbitration years but a little more regarding his FA “market value” years. I would pencil in $15 Million for 2015, and $25M for what would be his final year of arbitration in ’16. The next four years of a six year extension I would say $30M is a max AAV estimate. That would pay him 6-years, $160M and I am pretty confident that’s what we will likely see this off-season.
If Stanton agrees to give up only 4 years of free agency, he’s leaving a lot of money on the table at $30 M per year. I can’t see why he’d do that. He’d be better off just going to free agency in 2 years than doing that.
why does anybody sign away any FA years?
Because of me.
Because bad things can happen.
They’re buying insurance against an injury or collapse.
The difference in lifestyle between maybe $3 million for your first 4 or so years in MLB and then out with an injury and $200 million for your first 4 or so years plus signing a contract before the injury is a lot bigger than the difference between $200 million and $300 million if you stay healthy.
Hypothetically an actual insurance company could sell policies to take advantage of this and let people stop signing contracts at a substantial discount. But such policies are rare, and the player who needs one also doesn’t yet have all that much money.
Injury/decline risk of course. He’s two years away from free agency. A lot can change in two years.
yeah it may even be less. is it justifiable to go from 6.5M to 15M? I said 7 yrs with an opt out after 4. That still gives the Fish plenty of opportunity to trade him after 2 or 3 more seasons. I could see 7/160M maybe to 175M.
Well yeah, but also nukes his trade value. Player opt-outs are universally terrible for the team, since either he’s good and leaving, or bad and expensive and around for a while. If they’re thinking about trading him, trade him, don’t sign with a plan to trade him in four years, and if they’re thinking about building around him, plan for a decade, not 36 months.
Being a fan of the team is not a qualification for why your numbers are more plausible than the well researched method above. You’re basically saying “here’s what I think” and ignoring the math that actually drives these deals.
I think his point is that the math does not matter to the Marlins, and that they are not likely to offer what the market bears. Therefore, an extension will be for less or not happen at all.
Rendon for MVP tho
My mom is da real MVP tho
I agree with TKDC.
It seems as if Dave is saying that Cabrera’s deal is automatically the floor for Stanton’s future contract, but some deals raise market price and some are somewhat disregarded as outliers.
I don’t think that Cabrera’s deal is necessarily the floor for a Stanton deal. Stanton’s agent may say that as a first position, but not sure that will be hold up throughout the negotiations as the case.
Stanton’s good but he’s basically exactly as good as his rookie year with random fluctuations. That’s fine of course, but I’m not expecting him to get better.
He’s pretty much been at the same level in most sabres every year while he’s played.
Rookie year: 118 wRC+, 2.3 WAR in 100 games (about 3.4 per 150 games). K/BB was almost 4/1.
This year: 158 wRC+, 5.8 WAR in 100 games (about 6 per 150 games). K/BB is less than 2/1.
5.8 WAR in 145 games this year, not just 100.
Yeah, I realized that after I hit send but thought people would know that since it only pro-rated to 6 WAR per 150 games.
$30M for his last 2 years of arb if he doesn’t win the MVP? Are the arbitration salaries not rising with the free agency dollars? I thought the general rule was 40/60/80. If he’s a $30M player, and that’s what guys like him are getting in free agency, shouldn’t he be getting more like $18M next year and $24M the following year?
Maybe I’m just splitting hairs.
There really isn’t much here to debate, he will get $25-30 million a year for the next 6-10 years. Money that Miami will not offer. While free agents aren’t getting any cheaper, they also don’t appear to be getting much more expensive at the top end. I doubt Stanton will be viewed as highly as Kershaw who maxed at $30 million per year. I agree with the sentiment above that if he extended it would be a shorter deal to allow for another contract at age 30, however I see almost no chance of this happening. It just reminds me how lucky the Bucs are to have Cutch so cheaply through 2018.
“I doubt Stanton will be viewed as highly as Kershaw”
From a handing-out-a-mega-contract perspective, he absolutely will be. He doesn’t run the risk of blowing out his elbow on every pitch. Well, actually, given the power in his swings, maybe he does, but you get the idea.
“Stanton’s already going to have a minimum guarantee in the tens of millions for next year, and he simply doesn’t need to exchange risk for short-term financial security.”
I should start by saying that I mostly agree with the assessment of Stanton’s earning power, so I’m being a bit picky here. But this assumption is not conservative like the others laid out here. It’s true that Stanton has more security than others in his position, but utility curves vary by person and are not binary. It’s not really possible to know how Stanton views his risk/earnings potential balance. For we pions, $20-30M feels unfathomably rich. But the tax man and his agent will likely collect 50% or so of that number. That leaves an amount that probably sets up a 25 year old with a pretty nice lifestyle for the rest of his life. It does not afford him the opportunity to live in a $5M mansion and buy a new Bentley every two years like most of his friends. He might very well be willing to give up an extra $30/40/50/60/70M for that guaranteed lifestyle if the Marlins simply won’t offer the market rate.
I don’t think a team will sign a player with his injury-history for 12 years. I highly doubt it.
Meh. They usually do insurance now for long deals. I highly doubt that you are right – whoever signs Stanton long term has to beat out other suitors, and will end up overpaying one way or another.
and for some reason you’re assuming the insurance will cheap??
Expensive doesn’t mean that they won’t do it. Stanton will eventually be a burden on whichever team wins the bidding war for his services. But that is totally separate from the fact that somebody will come forward with all the cash in the world. Like I said at the top – it’s a winner’s curse to acquire a top player. You overpay to do it. So to every commenter that goes “nobody would pay that much” – you are dead wrong. Somebody will pay that much, and somebody will eventually regret it.
Given the Marlins’ recent history with their big signings, it wouldn’t surprise me if Stanton required a no trade clause for any extension with them. In other words, given the Marlins’ policy of avoiding no trade clauses, Stanton will be somewhere else in 2016.
Stanton to the Rockies needs to happen.
That would be terrifying. 81 games in Colorado? Yikes!
Best disabled list ever.
Dweeb, my problem with the math is that it hasn’t applied to the extensions of Trout, Kershaw, etc. Why is it going to apply to this deal? Dollars per WAR is a great way to get an idea, and projecting WAR is great, but it’s not an exact science for contracts and every scenario is different.
In this scenario Stanton is still two years away from free agency. That could be two MVP seasons or two injury-filled seasons. That could be the difference between Prince Fielder and Grady Sizemore. If he can lock down a 5/$130 or 6/$160 deal with the Marlins, and enter FA at 29 or 30, he would be crazy not to. He gets to cash in for life and eliminate any financial risk, and better yet, hopefully he gets to do it twice.
Regarding the no-trade clause, the Marlins will give it to him because they know that if the team doesn’t win, he will be the first person to waive it and get out of dodge…
I think people are underestimating Loria’s ability to overpay for stars. Yes, the deal Dave breaks down makes sense, but Loria might feel like he wants to make an even bigger splash to sell his “i’m committed to building a winner in Florida” idea for another year or two before gutting the team again.
He got his stadium. He’s getting his payments from other owners in the league. He shares equally in TV/Paraphenalia revenue. There’s little advantage to Loria right now in pretending commitment to winning baseball.
No way he stays in Miami. He hates it there.
Well, whatever contract he gets, it will NOT include a No-Trade clause.
16M and 24M per in his last 2 arb years and 32M per for 8 FA years puts it at about 296M for 10 years.
And yeah…
Giancarlo Stanton stretchered off after being struck in face by pitch
by Igor Mello | CBSSports.com
(10:13 pm ET) Marlins outfielder Giancarlo Stanton was sent off the field in an ambulance after being struck in the face by a Mike Fiers pitch Thursday night. The incident happened in the top of the fifth inning, as Stanton was drilled by an 88 mph fastball.
He was stretchered out of the field and taken to a local hospital for tests. Stanton was in the midst of his best season in the majors. He owns a .288/.397/.556 slash line with 37 homers and 105 RBI over 538 at-bats.
I don’t know whether to up or down this.
He was just sharing breaking news. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Giving players big dollar, long term contracts is dumb. Giving them those contracts before they have to or before they are eligible is even worse.
The Reds gave Votto the big contract two years before they had to and based on what he had done in 2010. Then, after he had the contract, Votto injures his knees and hasn’t produces like the Reds thought he would and like they paid for him to do.
Now, Stanton gets hit in the face with a pitch. Just think if he had that big contract.
Large market teams can afford to have star players out for long stretches of time because they can either go and buy talent on the free agent market or they can trade for guys with big contracts whose teams just want to dump the dollars off on somebody else. Small or smaller market teams can’t do that.
That is why I think long term deals should be outlawed. There should be a five year limit on contracts for position players and a three year limit on contracts for pitchers.
If it means paying a guy some astronomical amount per year then so be it. But these long term deals are going to kill baseball.
I can see a time where a team gives out one or two long term deals and then an economic crisis hits and they have to declare bankruptcy because they can not afford to field a team and pay the big dollar contracts. Either that or MLB will have to come in and bail them out.
Oh yeah, thoughts are with Giancarlo because I KNOW what he is going through right now. Twelve years ago, while assisting a Little League team practice, I was hit in the left eye by an errant throw. One of the biggest players on the team threw a ball (between 60 and 70 MPH) when he thought I was looking (I wasn’t) and it cracked my eye socket in two places and crushed the cartilage under my eye. My eyeball fell into my sinus cavity and I couldn’t see.
For a week I had to stay in bed and not move (because the doctors were afraid the cartilage chips would damage my eye). I then had surgery to place a plastic cup in my sinus cavity to hold my eye up and in place. I then had to stay in bed for another week, moving as little as possible.
Fortunately for me, the only negative effect, so far, is that a nerve was damaged in my cheek. I can not grasp what Mr. Stanton is going to feel like if and when he has to get back into the batters box and face guys who are throwing fastballs at 90+ MPH.
I’m not sure but there has to be some sort of injury insurance and the only case the teams ends up paying those dollars is if the player plays through the injury.
Yes, I am sure that insurance would cover part or all of the contract but that player is still taking up space on the 25 and 40 man roster. Look at Ryan Howard. He got the big contract, hurt his achilles and was still able to play. He wasn’t very productive but he played and took up roster space.
Now, even though he is driving in runs, his contract is virtually unmovable. Imagine if a team like the Pirates or the Royals were stuck with a Ryan Howard contract? They couldn’t trade him, they couldn’t release him so they would have to keep playing him even though he was hurting their team.
More like “what a Giancarlo Stanton with extensive reconstructive surgery may look like”
But really, I wonder how much getting hit in the face hurts his chances. Heyward is still productive but people are less excited about him. Not that they’re exactly comparable.
Morneau was really never the same after his HBP in face.
I seem to remember that Morneau also had a history of concussions from youth hockey in Canada. Chances are that the HBP wasn’t the only factor in his decline, it was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. In any event, here’s hoping that Stanton has a quick and complete recovery from last night’s mishap.
*after his brain injury.
LOL that’s terrible, but funny..
After today, it’s looking quite likely he won’t be playing again this season. How does that affect his potential contract?
have to think he’ll be a lot more likely to consider signing an extension than he may have been yesterday…
Imagining the injury hadn’t happened, I could see the Cardinals dropping major dollars on him. They’ve got plenty of prospects and deep pockets – their only substantial contract is nearly up (Matt Holliday, and he’s already earned what they paid for him, on a $ per WAR scale) and they’ve got a lot of guys on their everyday roster with years of cheap control.
Admittedly, their relative low-ball offer to Pujols would indicate they aren’t really in the market for that sort of deal, but maybe things have changed since then. I think having a superstar would work well for them.
“their relative low-ball offer to Pujols would indicate they aren’t really in the market for that sort of deal”
A 1B for his 32+ age seasons is a different situation than a RF for his 25+ age seasons. Pujols was much better than Stanton at the same age, but he was also declining before the new contract would have started.
So, I read this article last night and thought, my Braves aren’t playing. This read reminded of how much fun it is to watch Stanton hit, I should check in on the Marlins tonight. Five minutes later Stanton is done for the year. Please never use your jinxing powers for ill Fangraphs.
Wow.
Last year I hadn’t caught a Braves game in weeks when I decided to cure my insomnia one night by watching them late in a blowout against the Mets. The second batter was Eric Young Jr., who proceeded to accidentally crush Tim Hudson’s ankle when Hudson misplaced it covering first.
But yours got that story beat.
The Cubs have all the pieces and the dollars – I hope Theo gets it done this offseason. I’m thinking Baez, Almora, Vogelbach and a high upside, young arm gets it done (if Stanton agrees to an extension beforehand)
Dipstick,
Not a Cubs fan but:
1) They need pitching more than hitting.
2) They could trade for Carl Crawford, Andre Eithier or even Matt Kemp and it would cost them less in both prospects and dollars than it would to go after Stanton.
So, add one or two veteran starting pitchers via free agency, an outfielder from the Dodgers and then all of the young talent and the Cubs are at least respectable.
The general rule in baseball is that payroll runs about half of revenue. Total revenue for the MArlins is about $150 million. If what Cameron is saying is right, and I think he may be a little low on what Stanton will demand, then Stanton will be making $25-30++ million most of those FA years. How can a team with a $75 million max payroll afford one player making 1/3 or more of their payroll? They can’t and because of that they will trade him. So who will he be traded to and what will the Marlins get back in trade is the only questions we should be discussing.
Hmm, this didn’t end as anyone predicted, other than anerin. But even he didn’t call the opt out, which makes it a far more expensive deal than even a straight $325M/12 year.