What Could Brandon Nimmo Become?

Brandon Nimmo’s elite selectivity helps carry his offensive profile.
(Photo: Arturo Pardavila III)

The Mets reportedly continue to look for infield help this winter with a view to improving their team for the 2018 campaign. According to Ken Rosenthal, three of the targets for New York are free agents — specifically, Todd Frazier, Eduardo Nunez, and Neil Walker. Pirates infielder Josh Harrison is a fourth. The cost of acquiring any of the first three is pretty straightforward: about $30-40 million, according to our crowdsourced estimates. As for Harrison, the issue of “cost” is more complicated.

According to Rosenthal, the Pirates want Brandon Nimmo in return for their versatile infielder. Superficially, that seems to make sense for the Mets. Nimmo is probably a fifth outfielder after Michael Conforto gets healthy. As for Harrison, he’d probably start. That’s a good trade-off for New York, right?

In one way, yes. But then there’s also that agonizing question every club is compelled to face when pondering the trade of a young player: what could he become? What’s his upside?

One way of answering that question with regard to Nimmo, specifically, is to focus on his process and look at other players who have a similar one. Nimmo is a player with a good eye, a nearly even batted-ball mix, and a certain degree of power. Also, his outfield defense looks decent. Let’s get exact about those facets of his game and look at other players with similar games.

The Mets outfielder put 120 balls in play last year, so he gave us a decent sample with which to work, as long as we don’t get too fine with our search criteria. His average exit velocity (88.8 mph) ranked 92nd out of the 459 players who recorded at least 50 balls in play. Let’s grab all the players between 88 and 90 mph exit velocity. That gives us 86 players.

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Nimmo doesn’t lift the ball tremendously — his 9.6-degree launch angle ranked 291st out of that group of 459 players — but he isn’t Slappy McSlapperson. Let’s remove from the 86 players all of the players who lifted the ball over 11.6 degrees on average, and below 9.0 degrees. That skews towards power, but we’re looking for reasonable upside here, and at 24 years old, Nimmo could be expected to hit fewer ground balls in the next couple of years.

Now let’s bring in Nimmo’s plate discipline. Only four players reached at pitches outside the zone less often than Nimmo last year, so he’s got something serious going for him there. Let’s remove all the players who reached at pitches more often than league average last year. We lose players like Nomar Mazara and Jackie Bradley Jr., but we also pare our list down to eight players along with Nimmo.

Here are those eight players, ranked by zone swing minus reach rate:

Brandon Nimmo Offensive Comps
Player Results Exit Velo Launch Angle Pull% Z-Swing O-Swing Z-O Swing
Steven Souza Jr. 347 88.1 11.0 46.8% 70.8% 24.4% 46.4%
Hyun Soo Kim 168 88.1 9.1 33.9% 65.4% 20.8% 44.6%
Brad Miller 232 88.9 10.5 34.5% 71.4% 27.4% 44.0%
Maikel Franco 485 88.8 11.5 46.2% 75.2% 31.5% 43.7%
Brandon Nimmo 120 88.8 9.6 32.5% 59.3% 17.0% 42.3%
Buster Posey 433 88.7 11.6 36.5% 67.4% 25.6% 41.8%
Michael Brantley 292 88.4 9.8 39.7% 65.9% 24.7% 41.2%
Austin Barnes 175 88.2 9.6 33.1% 58.4% 17.4% 41.0%
Yasiel Puig 404 88.5 10.6 46.5% 69.5% 29.4% 40.1%
SOURCE: Statcast
Z-Swing = zone swing rate. O-Swing = reach rate. Z-O = zone minus reach rate.

I put pull percentage on the table because horizontal spray angle matters and pulling can be good for power. Nimmo could get more aggressive on pitches inside the zone, pull for more power, and turn into something like Steven Souza Jr. at the plate. Yasiel Puig with better plate discipline seems possible, even if one of Puig’s biceps could possibly contain both of Nimmo’s.

If we want to focus only on players who currently look like Nimmo, though, then we’ve pretty much found a clone: Austin Barnes. The Dodgers catcher had a heck of a debut last season, one that saw him supplant starter Yasmani Grandal in the playoffs. He makes a little more contact than Nimmo, but otherwise you’re pairing an excellent eye at the plate with an even batted-ball mix and emerging power in the same way.

Then again, part of the magic for Barnes is that he’s a catcher. What can Nimmo do with the glove?

Let’s once again turn to the advanced stats to help us out. It’s tempting to use Outs Above Average to find a comp and say, hey, he looks like he’s about as good as Gregor Blanco, Carlos Gomez, Randal Grichuk, and A.J. Pollock, who all have a “2” in that category. That would make him a good defensive outfielder but maybe not an excellent center fielder.

The problem is that OAA is a counting stat. Nimmo, meanwhile, played about a third of a season, and we don’t want to just project him out. Let’s instead use our comp-sorting method on his catch stats — Statcast also has catch success and opportunities broken down by difficulty — to find a defensive comp.

Brandon Nimmo Defensive Comps
4 +5 Star (0-50%) 3 Star (51-75%) 2 Star (76-90%) 1 Star (91-95%)
Player OAA Opp % Opp % Opp % Opp %
Gregor Blanco 2 15 20.0% 6 83.3% 5 80.0% 10 90.0%
David Peralta 0 46 19.6% 15 73.3% 21 85.7% 41 97.6%
Cameron Maybin 2 40 17.5% 24 83.3% 22 86.4% 21 95.2%
George Springer -1 46 15.2% 21 76.2% 19 84.2% 39 92.3%
Matt Joyce -2 35 14.3% 12 75.0% 19 84.2% 38 94.7%
Alex Gordon 3 31 12.9% 18 77.8% 15 86.7% 43 95.3%
Charlie Blackmon -1 56 10.7% 27 70.4% 33 87.9% 63 96.8%
Brandon Nimmo 2 10 10.0% 9 77.8% 6 83.3% 17 100.0%
Andrew McCutchen 0 51 9.8% 22 77.3% 28 82.1% 43 90.7%
Hunter Pence -2 36 8.3% 18 83.3% 21 81.0% 44 97.7%
Kole Calhoun -3 50 6.0% 19 73.7% 21 81.0% 42 97.6%
SOURCE: Statcast
OAA = Outs Above Average
4+5 star = 0-20; 3 star = 70-86; 2 star = 80-90; 1 star =90+

Defense is still difficult to study because of the sample sizes. Look how much of a difference one more catch in each category would make for Nimmo and you see that this is a somewhat futile exercise. At the same time, a similar picture emerges even as we try to drill down. He should be a good defensive corner outfielder, or maybe a temporary center fielder as he remains young and agile.

The negative spin on this skillset still remains. An “Austin Barnes without the catcher’s glove” or a “Steven Souza Jr without the pull power” hints at it: some call Nimmo a tweener, and that assessment seems to have some merit in light of the numbers. You could be really negative and call him “Hunter Pence with Hyun Soo Kim’s bat.”

On the other hand, if you begin with Nimmo’s elite skill — plate discipline — and then add in the fact that he could become Souza at the plate and George Springer in the field, things look better. He’s got a few years to improve and a diverse skill set in hand currently. If he started swinging at more strikes — particularly borderline strikes — we might see some real growth.

In Brandon Nimmo, the Mets basically have a young, pre-injury Michael Brantley on their hands, a player with great plate discipline and good corner-outfield defense with a chance at more. That’s worth holding on to if free agency can get them a useful infielder for the 2018 season.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
8 years ago

Really interesting stuff!

Not sure about a Brantley comp – Nimmo strikes out more than twice as often.

Brantley could get away with running .130 ISOs, because he could roll out of bed and hit .280

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Yeah, my main concern is that he profiles as a sort of 2-true-outcomes player, haha.

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago

I am sure about it… it is really bad.

dl80Member since 2026
8 years ago

“Kole Calhoun with a bit less power and a few more walks” seems about right to me.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Very small sample size, but he had -3 DRS in only 75.1 innings in CF last season

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

My eye test at least has him as below-average there, sort of in the same defensive neighborhood as Conforto. Hustles to try to make up for bad reads, gets turned around more than you’d like.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

One thing I wonder about is his platoon splits. His K rate against righties is fine, against lefties he strikes out at a 10% higher clip and has 1/3rd the ISO. About the same walk rate and BABIP (which is quite good), though.

The optimist says that if he can extend his skill-set against righties to lefties he’s going to be a very good hitter. The pessimist says that the reason he doesn’t succeed against lefties is because he can’t pull off the patience thing when he doesn’t see the ball as well, and he’ll never improve.

He’s a pretty good platoon bat already, and he can probably handle center field, so he’s worth something, and this article at least gives me an idea of why the Pirates might be interested in him. At the minimum, he’s a pretty good platoon bat. But yeah, if I’m the Mets, I trade him for Harrison in a heartbeat.

Dooduh
8 years ago

A young Michael Brantley!?! Wow, that seems to be a pretty dramatic overstatement simply based on contact rate. But I suppose who couldn’t be a ‘young Michael Brantley’ if all that requires is to drop one’s K rate by 2/3..?

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

There are comps a whole lot more realistic than the guy who may have the best strike zone management in the league. I’d say the realistic comp to Nimmo now is Robbie Grossman. And while I am a believer, it’s a little soon to be be getting out over one’s skis with some unrealistic expectations.

And maybe the bigger issue is that for all their professed like of Nimmo, the Mets continue to block him from getting any significant playing time in the future, making this discussion pretty esoteric and largely moot.

And for a team on the fringes of the playoff picture in a division with 3 teams in some stage of rebuild, they sure seem to be pretty determined not to push any chips into the pot… preferring to keep a 5th OFer rather than getting a starting 2Bman. Very strange choice for a team that sends signals that they like Josh Harrison. If they didn’t like Harrison, that would be a differnt story.

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

I’m not really advocating for Harrison per se. I just find it extremely silly to defend the team’s choice to horde/protect Nimmo rather than using him to acquire what would be an everyday player, while at the same time they continue to bury him.

If they earnestly believe he has a solid future then why do they block his daylight at every opportunity?

As it relates to Harrison specifically, why do they continue to show interest in Harrison but show no willingness to trade anything for him? Shouldn’t you always be willing to swap a 5th OFer for a starting 2Bman who you ostensibly like? What do they think the market price should be for a starting 2Bman then?

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

That argument kinda falls apart as soon as you peel back the layer indicating that Bellinger is a player the Dodgers cleared a position for, while Nimmo is a player the Mets continue to block and thus label as ostensibly “just a 5th OFer.” Right now, and until given the opportunity to prove otherwise, Nimmo is just a 5th OFer.

Re: the comp, at what point (sample size) does quality of contact start not to be just noise? Doesn’t seem to me that we can make these sorts of conclusion just yet. And this is coming from someone who actually a supporter. But he’s got to show more aggressiveness at the plate while also cutting down his K rate… iow, he’s got work to do. Until then, the Grossman comp looks fair/favorable.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

“As for the Mets’ behavior, yeah, they blocking him. It’s weird. They must not see the same things.”

Wilpon’s Razor applies here. The Mets’ front office, I am pretty convinced, sees all the same things that you and I do. But the Mets’ decisions aren’t necessarily made by the front office.

mr.met89Member since 2024
8 years ago

Not sure I believe that the Wilpons are micromanaging the OF situation. It’s pretty straightforward; Yo & Conforto are starters when healthy, Bruce is the 3rd OF unless A-Gon & Smith both fall flat. No room for Nimmo or Lagares (who of course has proven to be a glove-only guy thus far). Given the Mets luck with injuries, Nimmo will probably play in 100+ games this year.

Mookie Wilson
8 years ago
Reply to  mr.met89

They’re not. This is an example of people shoehorning Wilpon conspiracy theories into every Mets related situation.

tb.25
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

“than the guy who may have the best strike zone management in the league.”

Got any stats to back that up? Yea he’s got good strike zone management, but you gotta toss out some stats to make a claim like that.

ghosthornMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Brantley “may have the best strike zone management in the league”? He’s very good, but I think Joey Votto would like a word.

timprov
8 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

I haven’t compared the stats but to me that profile shouts “Bobby Kielty.”

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Down-votes for those that don’t like the Brantley comp. So let me get this straight, this is a progressive community that doesn’t value diverse opinions.

fothead
8 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

Yall are brutalizin me!

Dooduh
8 years ago

“Yasiel Puig with better plate discipline seems possible, even if one of Puig’s biceps could possibly contain both of Nimmo’s.”

This comes off as an odd slight (in what is an otherwise positive piece) since Nimmo is actually a pretty ripped specimen himself.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

It’s a slight to no one’s biceps (who isn’t a bodybuilder) to compare them unfavorably with Puig’s.

Dooduh
8 years ago

No, it’s a weird sort of narrative to advance being that the piece is supposed to be favorable to Nimmo. And there is absolutely no connection between Nimmo’s plate discipline and Puig’s biceps… it’s just there (intentionally or not) to advance the grossly mistaken perception that Nimmo is some sort of beanpole, when in fact he is a beast.

Rob
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

It’s really not. Puig’s raw strength is much more established, Nimmo’s is not. No one is calling Nimmo weak, but we do know that he hasn’t developed consistent power yet.

-P.S.
http://upl.stack.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/31112232/Yasiel-Puig-STACK.jpg
^Nimmo does not have arms like THAT.

attgig
8 years ago

lots of different ways you could go with that. a pre-injury Brantley is selling him high though. Given that the Mets are able to give him platoon at bats in center for a month, and then a 4th/5th outfielder role…would that be worth trading to get Josh Harrison?

Sonny Price
8 years ago

whenever I read a story about Nimmo I hope to see some mention of the fact that he is from Wyoming. Oh well, maybe next time. Did you know they do not play HS baseball in WYO because they do not have the climate or population necessary? GOAT state

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Sonny Price

I’m sorry, a state that doesn’t have the climate or population necessary for baseball cannot be the GOAT state. Maybe it can be runner-up, or compete in the sparsely-populated-Western division.

Pinstripe Wizard
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Perhaps it’s a “GOAT state” due to the presence of mountain goats.

free-range turducken
8 years ago
Reply to  Sonny Price

Funny, Mike Deveraux is actually a pretty decent comp for Nimmo.

dtpollittMember since 2016
8 years ago

I really liked your thought process here, neat idea and nice work, thanks.

Alan
8 years ago

My guess is that the crowd sourced estimates overestimate the earning power of these infielders, because I assume they assume a robust demand for them. I do not see where such demand would come from.

As a result, teams looking to trade good-but-not-great infielders who earn significant salaries seem to have zero bargaining power.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Alan

It is just hard to see who is going to trade something valuable for what is probably a market-value contract and where there are plenty of other options available. And I think we’ll know it is market value when eventually, Todd Frazier and Neil Walker sign for around Dave Cameron’s predictions (both of whom are better, if less versatile and older players).

The only teams that are going to spring for Harrison are teams that either (a) need someone to potentially cover both 2nd and 3rd base in a pinch, or (b) a team that is willing to give up a real prospect instead of taking on salary.

Interestingly, the Yankees could fit both categories, although Huntington may not have the green light to take on money.

Alan
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I suspect you are correct that his contract is, at least for this offseason, not far from market value.

This is in contrast to the “crowdsourcing/WAR-based” thinking that says his contract is a bargain. This WAR-based analysis also makes the first club option and, with luck, the second one significant bargains, adding to his perceived trade value.

Is there concrete evidence that the WAR-based valuation is wrong? Other than my own ramblings, there seems to be: Zack Cozart signed for three years and 38 million to play third base.

Steamer says he will produce league average offense, slightly better than it projects for Harrison. Harrison has experience at second and third, while Cozart is a good shortstop learning third – defensive value is also probably close to even in the short term.

Harrison is two years younger, and his extra years are not guaranteed and are slightly cheaper. Age is already baked in to the 2018 projections, but likely gives him a very small edge across 2019 and 2020.

Harrison and Cozart appear to project for similar value over the three years, and Harrison is roughly $6 million cheaper.

Has the market changed since Cozart signed? If it has, it probably has swung in favor of the teams.

This suggests the surplus value in Harrison’s 3 year contract is hardly comparable to a decent player like Nimmo. Comparing him to Nunez, Walker and Frazier might make the perceived surplus shrink further.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Alan

The WAR-based valuation is not wrong per se, but it is not actually WAR-based valuation, at least not how it is used in the way you describe. I’ve been on a bit of a streak, rambling about this, but as long as people keep making this mistake it drives me nuts.

Matt Swartz has a series of articles on $/win here at Frangraphs, that are really good and we should read them. But what Matt Swartz does is he takes (using a rolling 3 year average) how much WAR free agents actually put up. This tells you how much teams *got* for their money, it does not tell them how much teams *valued* the player. In order for that to be the case, the amount the team got would have to be equal to the amount the team valued the player for. This is obviously not true in all cases, and almost certainly not true in the aggregate.

Thus, when $/win goes up, what it shows is not that teams value a win more. It means that the free agent market is a less efficient place to find wins.

In order to look at market value, you’d need to take prospective valuations of WAR and divide it by money a player received. Let’s say, hypothetically, Mike Moustakas can only get a 1 year, $20 million deal. He’s projected for 2.5 zWAR next year. Assuming that the team also has him valued for 2.5 WAR next year (a big if, and something we can’t verify) then we can say the $/win is about 8 million/WAR.

People don’t like this because (1) it is slightly different than what was done in the past, (2), it makes the assumption of what a team values explicit, and (3) it is harder to pull up archived projections to do back of the envelope calculations. But it is a heck of a lot closer to capturing market value accurately, which is literally what the market is willing to pay for expected utility as opposed to discovering post-hoc that what you paid for was disappointing.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

One more thought: If you’re interested in this topic, a lot of what I’m talking about is related to ideas in a paper by Charles Manski. I am skeptical about surveys yielding ideal information, but it is unquestionably better than the alternative. And certainly better than when the “revealed preference” often diverges so radically from anticipated utility, like it does here.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.9.5406&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Dave TMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I can see the methodological merit to sadtrombone’s approach.

I think a key with Harrison, though, is that he actually doesn’t project for all that much surplus value under a typical $/WAR methodology.

The average of his Steamer and ZiPS projections for 2018 is about 1.8 WAR. Apply standard aging decline of 0.5 WAR per year for a player in his early 30’s and that works out to 1.3 WAR in 2018 and 0.8 WAR in 2019.

The options complicate things a bit, but a team won’t want to pick up his 2020 option if he does look like a 0.8 WAR player. So that leaves getting Harrison for 2 years at a total of $21 million including the buyout of his option. (Pretty sure that his 2020 option buyout of $5 million listed here at Fangraphs is an error, as Baseball Reference shows only $500k and that latter figure is a lot more logical for a contract like Harrison’s.)

So that’s getting 3.1 WAR from Harrison for a total of $21 million, which is roughly $3 to $10 million worth of surplus value at $8 to $10 million per WAR. Even at the high-end, that’s not quite a single 45 FV prospect under the Fangraphs prospect value chart methodology. (The chart is based on about $8 million per WAR, so prospects also increase in value at a higher $/WAR.)

Maybe the team options help his value a little bit, because a team can limit its downside by cutting bait on Harrison if he’s really bad in 2018 or increase its upside if he overachieves his projection and looks like he’ll be a roughly 2 WAR player or better in 2020.

So, overall, my take is that the simple $ per WAR framework puts Harrison’s trade value (with all the money on his contract) in a range between low-level lottery ticket prospect and somewhat interesting 40 FV prospect. In either case, that’s the sort of prospect who is typically the last name listed in multi-prospect trades for players with legitimately good trade value.

Brian P. Mangan
8 years ago

Thanks for the link to the Nimmo research piece I published on Good Fundies. I like Nimmo, and this article is a good look at things as always.

Thom with an HMember since 2017
8 years ago

Love everything about this article except the part where you encourage the Mets not to give Nimmo to my Pirates.

On other sites, Bucs fans have been very unenthusiastic about Nimmo, mostly because he lacks “upside,” and represents a commitment to mediocrity. Everyone wants Top 100 prospects with elite speed/power combos. But I’m all about Nimmo and his tool set.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  Thom with an H

For whatever it’s worth, as a Mets fan I am beginning to want to see both Lagares and Nimmo end up somewhere they can get closer to a full-time role, since the Mets seem — for whatever reason — disinclined to give them one. I like Nimmo enough that I’d like to see him traded for something like his real value and go somewhere like Pittsburgh and blossom into a decent starting outfielder. But I have to agree that Harrison at his current pay isn’t a match for Nimmo’s trade value.

LHPSU
8 years ago
Reply to  Thom with an H

I would be ecstatic to get Nimmo for Harrison. He’s an average player paid $10M per year; a slight slip in any part of his skillset and that contract goes under water. I’m not sold on the power and if he hits like 2015 or 2016, no one would be trading for him.

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago

You are greatly inflating Nimmo’s value. A pre-injury Michael Brantley. I’ll take the under on that! Plate discipline on its own is not much of a carrying skill – he has more in common with Dustin Ackley than Steve Souza with the bat.

jrgeyerMember since 2016
8 years ago

Interesting article, good read.

Nimmo is Sandy Alderson’s prototype, Duda-esque plate discipline. But he’s never unlocked his power consistently in game play. the only time he really flashed the power was in ’16 in Vegas, and there was a corresponding BB rate and K rate drop. But he had an unsustainable BABIP in that stretch, it looks like a career outlier.

He is so roadblocked in New York though, it may take a change in scenery to reach his true potential. The Mets may believe that as well as they have been shamelessly dangling him as a trade chip for the past two seasons.

I can imagine a poor man’s Brantley, but I see more of a Lucas Duda who hasn’t sold out on the pull yet. I’ll admit that is a strange comp, but those are the players the Mets have been trying to develop in the Alderson era.

jts19Member since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  jrgeyer

Fair point, but Duda was drafted by Minaya

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  jts19

Also — and don’t get me wrong, I love Sandy Alderson — Sandy’s front office seriously considered trading Duda in order to hang on to Ike Davis, before deciding (thank god) to play it the other way.

Mario MendozaMember since 2017
8 years ago

Wait, he hit like the post-injury Brantely, not the pre-injury Brantley, right? Do we have Brantley’s pre-injury Exit Velo & angles?

Mario MendozaMember since 2017
8 years ago
Reply to  Mario Mendoza

I took a look at Brantley and the injury didn’t actually change his spray or hard hit % much… the tale of 2 Brantleys actually pivots around an age-27 ISO jump… which could happen, or not happen, to any player who is still 25. With regards to Nimmo, who knows, but right now he’s pretty boring.

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

About that, we agree. But I see him maybe more as a David DeJesus type if he gets his contact rate up. And that’s still a very nice outcome.

nickfox45
8 years ago

Really enjoyed this one. I have Nimmo in a dynasty league and this helped my decision on whether to toss him back or keep him.

Slappy McSlapperson
8 years ago

You’re damn right

Brownie19
8 years ago

Barnes without the catcher’s glove sounds great to me (wRC+ of 142)

tung_twista
8 years ago
Reply to  Brownie19

Nobody believes that wrc+ of 142 is Barnes’s true talent level
or is even close to his true talent.
Steamer projects 102 wrc+ and ZiPS projects 98 wrc+.
Will I take over on it? Probably.
But wrc+ of 98~102 is multiple times much more likely than 140~144.

UnitedStatesofMisery
8 years ago

I don’t know, I just hope he becomes really good so some scout/GM could talk about how Finding Nimmo.

John Autin
8 years ago

The Brantley comp falls apart on walk rates — Brantley a career 7.9% (despite a good few IBBs), Nimmo a career 13.2%.

If Nimmo can sustain a .370 OBP, he’ll be a good offensive player even if he never gains power.

Rob
8 years ago

As a Mets fan I’m torn. The infield needs anyone other than Cabrera playing 2nd base, but having an outfield consisting of Cespedes, Conforto, Bruce, Lagares, and Nimmo is tempting. And considering the injuries we can expect from mostly the same group as last year, I’d think Nimmo would get decent playing time in NY.

Consider this, the 2017 PA leaderboard looked like this:

Bruce : 448 (back in RF)
Conforto : 440 (out AT LEAST a month)
Granderson : 395 (no longer with team)
Cespedes : 321 (history of leg injuries)
Lagares : 272
Nimmo : 215

With Conforto being nursed back, Cespedes’ chronic leg issues, Granderson gone and Bruce tagged to be back up 1st Base (until Smith takes over), I can easily see Nimmo getting 350+ PA’s. In the end, I’m not really sure a trade for Harrison is warranted when they can pick up a free agent who would be a clear upgrade at 3rd base and just deal with Cabrera’s poor 2nd base defense.

rosen380
8 years ago
Reply to  Rob

That is a bit faulty as Bruce wasn’t limited to 448 and Granderson to 395 because of injury issues, but because the Mets traded them and they went on to accrue PA for other teams.

Here are the first half PAs for the Mets:

29% 356 Bruce
25% 305 Granderson
22% 273 Conforto
14% 166 Cespedes
10% 126 #5 OFer [Lagares/Nimmo combined]

Once Conforto is back and assuming none of the “starters” suffers a major injury, Lagares and Nimmo will probably be looking at the equivalent of ~1.5 games a week

Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago

Is there a reason his K rate wasn’t mentioned? He is still young and could improve but he really struck out a lot last year.28% isn’t what it was 10 years ago but it is still high for a guy with average at best power.

The lowering of his gb rate ( the mets are great at teaching that, they were always in the top3-4 in off the ground rate as a team the last years) is a good sign and the walks make his bat play up but as long he strikes out in the mid 20s I don’t really see that profile working all that well. He would need a large uptick in either power or contact.

Barnes and Brantley are interesting comps but they are both excellent contact hitters with very low K rates.

LHPSU
8 years ago

The new article finally has the answer:

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/diamondbacks-sign-one-of-last-years-best-hitters/

Brandon Nimmo is Alex Avila.

LloydMember since 2018
8 years ago

Eno, if you had widened out the launch angle filter a skosh, Logan Forsythe would have profiled as a dead ringer from a plate discipline perspective. 11.7% LA, 88.9mph EV, 16.2% O-Swing, 30% Pull Rate, 1.33 GB/FB ratio, 6.6% SwStk rate.

He seems like a great comp to me – average to above average D in the middle of the defensive spectrum, high OBP floor (and high K rate) thanks to plate discipline and approach, quick enough to steal bases but not a true speedster, enough pop to hit double-digit homers but not a real HR threat.

If Nimmo’s fate is to be an unsexy ~3 WAR guy without a true standout skill for the next several years, I’ll take it. And if the Mets know what they’re doing, they’ll hit him leadoff.