What Do the Cardinals Do Now?

Following Boston’s signing of David Price, reports indicated that the Cardinals were $30 million short of the $217 million contract Price would eventually receive from the Red Sox. The deal certainly indicates that Boston was willing to spend this offseason. Given the Cardinals’ pursuit of the left-hander, however, you’d assume that St. Louis also has some money to throw around.

Except this is weird: their current roster has $126 million of commitments on it right now, and they spent $122 million on last year’s roster, and that was the most they’d ever spent on a roster. So maybe the Cardinals don’t have money to throw around. Maybe they just wanted David Price.

Still, they have losses and need to try to get better to stay atop their improving division. Losing Lance Lynn, John Lackey, and Jason Heyward means losing almost 10 projected wins.

Their uncanny ability to find 27-year-old usable bats in their farm system means that they can move some guys around. They probably won’t have to pay for the full 10 wins on the market. But they probably will have to do something. What?

There might not be anything more devil magic than this fact: despite their losses, the Cardinals are still above average at every position save right field, where Steamer has Stephen Piscotty regressing in the power department despite anecdotal evidence that he might retain his growth there. They are 16th there.

The Cardinals and Mets are the two teams projected to be above .500 with the smallest standard deviation between their positional players. In other words, there are relatively few stars in those lineups, but there also aren’t any potholes.

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You could say the same about their starting rotation: no pitcher is projected for more than four wins, so they likely don’t have a top 20 pitcher next year. But if you make Marco Gonzales their fifth starter and assign the production that Tyler Lyons and Tim Cooney can add to his slot, they also don’t have a starting slot that is projected to produce less than two wins.

This could be an argument for signing a star or bust, in a way. They have the groundwork of a solid team no matter whom they sign, and they have the moving parts to accommodate almost any star they sign.

If they sign a corner outfielder like Yoenis Cespedes or Alex Gordon, they can move Tommy Pham and/or Randal Grichuk into center field. Surely they can’t be any worse with the glove than Jon Jay. If they sign Jason Heyward, he plays center field for the time being. They could even sign Chris Davis and move Brandon Moss to the outfield, and make Matt Adams a reserve-slash-DH. If they sign a star pitcher, Gonzales becomes the Jaime Garcia insurance and sixth starter. You could say it almost doesn’t matter what star they sign, they just need to get a star. They’ve set up their depth, they have their moving parts, they just need to put the star on top of the tree.

That may have been the thinking as they prepped the offer for Price, but — at least from the sentiments expressed here in Nashville — it sounds like that is no longer the thinking in the Cardinals front office, at least when it comes to pitching. A four- or five-year deal is not something “we’d necessarily do at this point” general manager John Mozeliak told Derrick Goold. Sounds like they’re considering pitchers available on one- or two-year deals for the back end of their rotation.

If that’s the case, then a signing like Doug Fister or Mark Buehrle would make a lot of sense. They’re on the bottom end of a market that still has a few interesting top-end names in it, and at this point in their careers, they might welcome playing for two years in the friendly confines of Busch Stadium. Buehrle’s five years older, but he’s been a metronome, and pushing Lyons and Collins and Gonzales into a time share with Garcia’s failing limbs seems like a good idea. All of those pitchers would be useful to the Cardinals in the bullpen when they’re not starting, and it would further even out an already even team.

And maybe, with a little luck, that would keep them ahead of the Pirates in their division and in the wild card race. But according to our depth chart projections, that’s not likely to close the distance with the Cubs. That would take a star. And they’ve budgeted for a star, they’ve proven. It’s likely to be a star hitter at this point, though. Any star hitter.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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VORP is too nerdy
10 years ago

Buehrle is from St. Louis too, so there’s that.

Baller McCheese
10 years ago

He’s also always been vocal about his strong desire to pitch for his hometown Cardinals before he retired.

cornflake5000
10 years ago

Yeah, when he was pitching here in Chicago he always made Sox fans nervous talking about his desire to pitch for St Louis someday. When the Cubs were looking for starters near the deadline last season, I was hoping they’d pick up somebody like him. He’s obviously not Price, but he’d add some depth with all the question marks they have. Has there been any word on Carlos Martinez’s shoulder?

SocraticGadfly
10 years ago

Plus, no draft choice lost with a Buehrle signing. Two year deal for him would be very sensible.

Jason Bourne
10 years ago

St. Charles

McNulty
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason Bourne

you must not be familiar with St. Louis

RCMember since 2016
10 years ago

They trade Jon Jay for Jedd Gyorko

Hollywood Hills
10 years ago

What do Phillies fans do now?

Their team has a $6 Billion TV Deal but Yoan Moncada isn’t in the Phillies farm system. J*hn Middlet*n refuses to pay Kevin Maitan who looks like a switch-hitting Alex Rodriguez, even though it looks like Maitan will be signed by the Atlanta Braves if the Phillies don’t step in and sign him.

What should Phillies fans do about this bloodsucking owner who is blatantly stealing hundreds of millions of dollars? The Phillies take in at least $200 million in revenue before they sell a ticket yet the payroll is down to $60 million.

The Dodgers projected spending in the current July 2nd signing period is up to $87 million. J*hn Middlet*n and his criminal crew have not spent $87 million in the July 2nd period in the last 35 years combined, yet the Phillies are the third richest team in MLB.

What is to be done about the Phillies?

Dave
10 years ago

You…again?? Are you getting paid for these ridiculous posts?

Hollywood Hills
10 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Google: Kevin Maitan FREE_AEC
.

Dave Cameron
10 years ago

Are you the same shit stain that’s been filling up ESPN’s comment section with this bullshit? Fuck you. This isn’t the place for this. Go away.

USA to Hitler to Mussolini to USA
10 years ago

You’re the same shit stains, the filling is of the comment section ESPN with this bullshit? Fuck. This is not the place to do it. Go away.

Well-Beered Englishman
10 years ago

I don’t like FREE AEC either, but pretending to be Dave Cameron so you can insult people is uncouth.

Ben
10 years ago

Dear Editors,

He’s back again and detracting from the FanGraphs experience. Please ban him.

USA to Hitler to Mussolini to USA
10 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Dear Editor,

He ‘s back and influence the experience Fangraphs. Please stop it.

WAHHHHH
10 years ago
Reply to  Ben

CRY MORE, LINDBERG

Turd
10 years ago

None of the metrics indicate that Jay is a bad CF.
He just had the one bad year in 2013.

bjs2025
10 years ago

Love the Gyorko pickup for Jay who we wouldn’t have used much. Hate the idea of Beurhle

The Dude
10 years ago
Reply to  bjs2025

I agree. Also, this allows Cardinals to possibly trade Wong for SP.

Big in Japan
10 years ago
Reply to  The Dude

Gyorko isn’t as good as Wong, and makes a lot more sense as a platoon partner/super utility guy. Wong’s weakness is LHP, and Gyorko’s weakness is RHP. Trading Wong is not a good option.

SocraticGadfly
10 years ago
Reply to  The Dude

The Pads tried Gyorko at SS as well as 3B and 2B last year. I rather see a super-utility, primarily for Wong, then for Peralta.

Note to Slim downpost: The Cards have adopted shifting more, and that may “hide” Gyorko better, too.

Damaso
10 years ago
Reply to  SocraticGadfly

Downvoted for the link.

Well-Beered Englishman
10 years ago
Reply to  SocraticGadfly

People link their usernames to their blogs/Twitters/favourite sites all the time. SocraticGadfly’s post was on-topic and inoffensive, and did not promote the blog in any way.

Upvoted to cancel out your downvote.

Donald Trump
10 years ago
Reply to  SocraticGadfly

Boy, people really do have questionable reasons for casting their votes around here.

Damaso
10 years ago
Reply to  SocraticGadfly

Downvoted for the name. Fascist…

Roger
10 years ago
Reply to  SocraticGadfly

Downvoted for the whooshing sound

chuckb
10 years ago

What about trading Jon Jay for Jedd Gyorko?

This is a great trade for the Cardinals as Gyorko’s a 120 wRC+ hitter for his career vs. lefties. He’ll be able to play 2b, 3b, and SS adequately and give those Cards’ infielders some desperately needed days off.

Slim
10 years ago
Reply to  chuckb

I haven’t seen much of Gyorko myself, but the limited metrics don’t suggest he’s adequate at either SS or 3B and best used as a second baseman. But he’s a great platoon partner for Wong who can occasionally spell Peralta and Carpenter.

Jason Bourne
10 years ago
Reply to  Slim

I agree with you that he should be used sparingly at SS, but I don’t think you can surmise anything from 90 innings at 3B. We don’t really know what he is at that position.

Slim
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason Bourne

Good point. If he’s good at 2B, one would think he could be at least adequate at 3B with some more playing time there.

chuckb
10 years ago

Ian Kennedy’s also an option. He’ll probably sign for about 3 years and he pitched much better than his results indicated last year. The trouble with going the route of the young guys is that, while their first 4 are very good, there are questions about durability for each. Surely, Cooney, Lyons, and Gonzalez will have to take some starts that the other 4 lose due to injury so they may need someone they can count on to pitch 160-180 innings.

Slim
10 years ago
Reply to  chuckb

Don’t think Kennedy is worth the draft pick.

Z S
10 years ago

The Cardinals have money to throw around. They just signed a billion dollar TV deal, and their ownership has been fairly vocal over the last few months about their plans to significantly increase the payroll.

Damaso
10 years ago
Reply to  Z S

You’re the only one that cares.

Jeffrey.lage@gmail.com
10 years ago
Reply to  Z S

Tv deal doesn’t begin until 2018, and it’s only a 20 million per year bump at that time.

The organization typically spends about 40-43% of its revenue on player payroll, and were only looking at around 300-325 million in revenue.

Making me wonder how they intend to fit a ‘star’ into this budget. Outside of Holliday coming off the books next year, there isn’t much room for this big add.

I’d rather they look to locking up the players they like, such as Martinez, Wacha, and Wong for examples

j6takish
10 years ago

So I’m pretty bored at work and I actually googled that Phillies thing. It just results in dozens of fangraphs articles with him spamming the comments section. The website that he wants us to read is a tin foil hat kind of blog that looks like it’s still hosted by Geocities, I half expected a counter to load at the bottom

Anna Nupson
10 years ago
Reply to  j6takish

My brother raped me. He owns the Phillies.

Google: Anna Nupson Phillies

Dave
10 years ago
Reply to  j6takish

Ahhh, the Geocities counter. I was SO proud of myself when I HTML coded that into my old Geocities page!

chuckb
10 years ago
Reply to  j6takish

Is there also a link to his myspace account so I can learn more about him?

Dave Cameron
10 years ago

Nobody cares about the Phillies.

Königsblauer S04
10 years ago

Carson’s voice sounded really odd in the introduction

Ctownboy
10 years ago

I say the Cardinals should sign Chris Davis and Yoenis Cespedes and then trade Matt Holliday and possibly Matt Adams to the Orioles.

Davis and Cespedes add power to the middle of the line up for the Cardinals while Holliday and possibly Adams add DH’s for Baltimore.

The Ghost of Ron Santo
10 years ago
Reply to  Ctownboy

cool story, bruh

Dave TMember since 2025
10 years ago

Regarding Eno’s point, the Cardinals do have money to throw around if they choose to do so. They’ve reportedly been one of the most profitable teams in baseball for the past several years, and they’ve signed a significantly bigger long-term TV deal that starts in 2018.

On the salary side, the Cardinals have very few long-term obligations, and potentially a good amount of money coming off the books after 2016.

Specifically, Holliday ($17 million salary in ’16, then a $1 million buyout or $17 million team option), Garcia ($11.5 million in ’16, then a $500k buyout or $12 million team option), and Brandon Moss (projected $7.9 million arb salary in 2016, then a free agent) add up to $36.4 million in 2016 salaries.

That $36.4 million could go away in 2017 depending on performance of those players, how alternatives perform in 2016 (Adams, young OF’s, young pitchers including the arms following Gonzales and Cooney, such as Alex Reyes), and other moves (i.e., signing Heyward).

In short, the Cardinals do have money to spend. They could also have a big increase in 2016 payroll and then have the flexibility to keep making additional moves in subsequent years while holding the payroll flat, or perhaps even lowering it. Mozeliak and DeWitt have been saying for a couple years that the Cardinals have the money available to add a “core” player. Fangraphs and many other sites have also covered, of course, that this year’s free agent class looks much better than the class following 2017, so I won’t be at all surprised to see the Cardinals spend money this offseason.

GoOppo
10 years ago

The cards don’t really need Price do they? Simply bust out the magic dust they use on players and dash it the field.

JeremyR
10 years ago

Grichuk is pretty much the starting CFer, even if they re-sign Heyward. Grichuk started there in 2015 when healthy (and Holliday was healthy) and Heyward only played CF sparingly. I realize FG thinks Heyward should play center (since it would get the most value out of him), but clearly Heyward doesn’t want to play there full time and teams have respected his wishes (and likely will continue to).

Also. while they are losing Lynn and Lackey, they are replacing one with Wainwright, which is probably at worst even, probably