What Else You’ll Need Besides Spin Rate

Soon, we’ll get games on television again. I know it’s hard to believe, because it seems like it’s been so long, but it’s true. It’ll only be spring training, but it’ll be baseball and it’ll be great.

Along with these televised games, we’ll hear commentators discussing key statistics. It’s very possible that, due to the rising popularity and availability of Statcast, we’ll hear about increases in spin rate when it’s relevant. That’s great! But there will be some context we won’t hear, and that context will be important.

One bit of context comes from the concept of useful spin. We report total spin, but that’s just the spin imparted on the ball. Total spin. But spin has to be considered in the context of arm slot. Imagine trying to put backspin on a ball. The more upright your hand is on release, the more of your spin is “harvested” as backspin that’s useful to the movement you’re trying to produce; the more your arm drops down, the more that spin gets converted into useless sideways spin.

It looks like spin is inherently useful when you look at charts like this one, and I’ve heard from batters before that higher spin pitches are harder to pick up. But we haven’t yet publicly nailed the usefulness of spin by itself, at least not from the research I’ve seen. We’re working on it.

Another piece of context for spin: it’s related to velocity. It generally goes up with velocity, something Trevor Bauer discovered when he created the Bauer Unit — spin divided by velocity. You’d want to know if the pitcher who increased his spin also increased his velocity, for sure.

In fact, when you look at the pitchers that added significant spin (+10%) from 2015 to 2016, all of them but one also increased their velocity, as well.

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If you agree with Arik Florimonte’s assessment that it’s more 50/50 and we shouldn’t count all of those 1.01s as velocity increases, fine. We can do this mathematically, too. And we can switch over from velocity to effective velocity, which takes into account the point from which a player releases the ball and adjusts the velocity for that release point.

The relationship of four-seam fastball spin from one year to the next is pretty strong. The r-squared is .816, meaning that last year’s spin explains about 80% of the variance in this year’s spin. If you limit it to only pitchers that have thrown 100 pitches in both years, that r-squared jumps to .851. That’s immediately stronger than any results-based pitching metric in terms of year to year stickiness.

Harness spin to effective velocity, though, and your year-to-year correlation could improve, given the correlation between velocity and spin. I found the average spin for every non-decimal effective velocity between 85 and 96, and then indexed every pitcher’s spin against that average. Justin Verlander, king of spin, produce a spin rate that was 15% better than the league average for his effective velocity bucket in 2016. Look at how strong the relationship is between this effective-velocity indexed spin rate from 2015 to 2016.

Now last year’s effective-velocity indexed spin rate explains 83.8% of the variance in this year’s number.

So which pitchers actually improved from 2015 to 2016? By this second methodology, there are nine pitchers who increased their spin more than 5%, but it’s a different set of pitchers than those cited above. These are the true outliers, although really only the first two satisfy our original requirements for significant change (10%).

Indexed Spin Increasers
Name 16 Indexed Spin 15 Indexed Spin Diff Indexed Spin
Homer Bailey 95 82 12
Kendall Graveman 107 95 12
Tyler Thornburg 110 101 9
Cody Anderson 109 100 9
Shane Greene 109 101 8
Dillon Gee 104 97 7
Xavier Cedeno 115 108 7
Rich Hill 112 105 7
Ryan O’Rourke 97 91 6
Eric Surkamp 103 97 6
SOURCE: Statcast
100 four-seamers thrown in 2016 minimum
Indexed Spin = spin rate indexed to effective velocity

Returning to the original point of this post, we find that, if a pitcher is producing different spin rates, there are more questions you have to ask to really understand the whole context. Did he change his arm slot? Is he harvesting as much of that spin as he was in the past? Did he improve his velocity? Did he change his mechanics? Is he releasing the ball in the same space? And, even simpler, what does that spin rate change look like against league averages?

It’s okay if we don’t get the full deluge of facts every time spin rate comes up, though. There’s an ongoing battle between context and brevity when it comes to producing good sports television. Too many columns, too many stats, too much context, and you lose the viewer. Too little explanation around the story you’re trying to get across, though, and it loses some power. The number without context becomes a meaningless abstraction.

So spin rate changes? Sure. I want to know about that. I’ll also want to know a few more things.

[A data snafu with the first pull led to incorrect numbers. I’ve updated the post to reflect this fact. Thanks for pointing it out!]





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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blurrrr427
9 years ago

Back to back days with posts from Eno…It feels like Christmas. Excellent work, sir.

tFunk1106
9 years ago

Eno, great article but I have a question concerning your methodology.
Specifically, how are you indexing spin rate against effective velo. If you are binning velocity bands, say 84.51-85.49 = 85, then it is not surprising that it boosted your YOY correlation. Binning can have that effect by a little trick of statistics rather than a real life relationship.

http://biostat.mc.vanderbilt.edu/wiki/Main/CatContinuous

Captain Tenneal
9 years ago

I am extremely skeptical that the y2y r-squared for fastball spin is as low as .375. This is one of the few stats that a pitcher has complete control over. Shouldn’t it be up around .8 or so?

tFunk1106
9 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

I just regressed 2016 FF avg spin rate on 2015 FF avg spin rate given that the pitcher threw a minimum of 500 FF’s in each year and got an r-squared of .859122?

tFunk1106
9 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Same sample size on the 500 mins, what source are you using? Baseballsavant or is that no good?

tFunk1106
9 years ago
Reply to  tFunk1106

Call:
lm(formula = spin_rate ~ s_15, data = s)

Residuals:
Min 1Q Median 3Q Max
-163.188 -31.323 0.092 37.191 180.516

Coefficients:
Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
(Intercept) 145.67589 79.47231 1.833 0.0694 .
s_15 0.94224 0.03543 26.597 <2e-16 ***

Signif. codes: 0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1

Residual standard error: 51.32 on 116 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-squared: 0.8591, Adjusted R-squared: 0.8579
F-statistic: 707.4 on 1 and 116 DF, p-value: < 2.2e-16

Captain Tenneal
9 years ago
Reply to  tFunk1106

This seems a lot more like what I would expect, thanks for running the numbers.

tFunk1106
9 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

That’s a bummer. At least you got it corrected, thanks for taking the time to review it!!

zjgifford
9 years ago

I started trying to do this research myself… I took 9 pitches (FF, FT, FC, Splitter, Sinker, Slider, Curve, KnuckleCurve, Changeup) and used 2015 spin to predict 2016 spin, with a minimum of 500 total pitches in each year and a minimum 100 pitches of a given pitch. R-squared results:

FF: .8500
FT: .8473
FC: .7101
FS: .7030
SI: .7984
SL: .5295
CH: .8735
CU: .7254
KC: .8421

Sliders obviously stick out most here. Sample size on all these is different, and some probably too small to be significant (FS, KC notably).

How did you index spin rate vs. effective velocity? Just SR/EffV?

I also tried to see if these were predictive of 7 different stats specific to each pitch (like xMov, Whiff%), and got very poor predictive and correlative results. Probably because I’m using total spin and not useful spin? Also, like you mention at the end, there’s a ton of variables that go into this, so I’m not sure it’s surprising that spin rate didn’t predict these stats well.

bndj88Member since 2017
9 years ago

Why is horizontal spin useless? Would appear to me that run and rise are both desirable, so any spin that helps the ball move less straight would be good, no?

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago

I honestly don’t get it, why not talk about pitch movement? What does spin add above that, and why is spin so hip nowadays?

With movement, more is not better. Take a good forkball. And generally “typical” motion is bad, “extreme” motion is better, but it depends on the purpose of the pitch. Can we get there with our spin talk too?

MattabattacolaMember since 2026
9 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

I don’t follow how more movement is bad. Did you mean it’s not *always* better?

Rufus T. FireflyMember since 2019
9 years ago

Are we guessing someone like Pedro Martinez had an insane spin rate? And why has Pedro become fat little guy with funny hair? Just wondering about both things.