What Johan Santana’s Return to the Mound Means
It seemed unlikely that the Mets would be the center of baseball attention any time during the 2011 season. They made a splash by hiring Sandy Alderson and his cast of familiar faces to run the front office, but they made mostly small moves this winter, knowing that the pieces just weren’t there to contend. The biggest buzz most of us expected was a potential Jose Reyes trade, and even then the buzz would be Reyes, not necessarily the entire Mets team.
That changed, of course, when this week’s New Yorker dropped on Monday morning. Within its pages team owner Fred Wilpon was quoted as saying some less than flattering things about his team and its players. As if that weren’t enough, the latest issue of Sports Illustrated also features and article about Wilpon, in which he talks about the team’s financial woes. They’re taking losses, and while they have money coming off the books this winter they might not be able to reinvest all of it. That might make things tougher for the 2012 team as well.
The Mets did get some good news, though, that can perhaps inspire optimism for the coming off-season and even 2012. According to ESPN New York’s Adam Rubin, injured ace Johan Santana threw off a full mound on Monday, for the first time since he struck out Omar Infante on September 2, 2010. His return this season could help the Mets considerably.
As Tom Verducci notes in the SI article, the Mets about about $64 million coming off the books after this season. According to Cot’s, they have $66.8 million committed to six players next season. Wilpon’s comments seem to indicate that he’d like to keep the payroll around $100 million. That doesn’t give them much room to work with, especially considering the arbitration raises they’ll owe Mike Pelfrey and Angel Pagan, and then salaries to fill out the other 17 roster spots. It could make for some interesting moves, which will make the Mets a team to watch at the deadline.
Wilpon’s comments about David Wright — “not a superstar” — have the attention on him. He makes $15.25 million in 2012 before the Mets can either pick up his $16 million option for 2013 or buy him out for $1 million. If they think he’s less than a superstar making something resembling a superstar’s salary, they could try to trade him to a team that thinks more highly of him. Yet he’s not the most noticeable financial outlay for the Mets. Jason Bay makes $18.13 million in both 2012 and 2013 before the Mets can buy him out for $3 million. But at this point he’s essentially untradable. That leaves one more big salary on the ledger: Santana’s.
After this year Santana has $55 million remaining on his contract, including a $5.5 million buyout for 2014. It is clear that no team will take on the entirety of that contract. The question facing the Mets is, at what point does eating salary make sense? For instance, does it benefit them to eat, say, half of Santana’s remaining salary in order to ship him out? Or would it work out better for them to just keep him at that point and hope that he helps them contend? I’m not sure where the exact cutoff will fall, but one definitely exists.
While the Mets certainly might contend in future years, having Santana around doesn’t necessarily help them. Yes, he has ranked among the top pitchers in baseball for years. Even in his three years with the Mets, 2008 through 2010, he has been an elite pitcher. Among starters with at least 450 IP in those three years he ranks fifth in ERA, despite a FIP and an xFIP considerably higher. And, despite the injury issues he faced, he still ranked 24th in innings pitched during that span. The shoulder injury certainly puts everything in question, but that’s why his return this year is important. If he can reestablish himself at somewhere near his previous level, he might have some interested parties.
Of course, the Mets only really benefit if they find a team that will take on a good chunk of Santana’s salary. After all, they’re not trading the player so much as they are his salary, which would account for a quarter of a $100 million payroll. That could leave them with few suitors, though a team such as the Yankees, currently filling the back end of their rotation with prayers, could be inclined to take on some of Santana’s salary if he proves himself in, say, a dozen starts this year. The free agent class is thin, which could further increase interest in Santana’s services.
This entire exercise is predicated on the idea that Santana does make it back this year, and he looks something like his old self in the second half. It’s far from a guarantee, but if he does it will greatly benefit the Mets. If he doesn’t come back, they’re essentially stuck with having a quarter of their payroll invested in an ineffective pitcher. If he does return to form, they have at least a chance of trading him and gaining some flexibility, even if they have a limited number of potential partners. While it made sense for them to pay $24 million a year for an ace while they had a $150 million payroll, it makes a degree less sense to have him with a $100 million payroll.
If Fred Wilpon truly does want to give Sandy Alderson flexibility this coming off-season, chances are he’ll have to trade one of his high-priced contracts. Wright has been the focus of the attention since the New Yorker article, but if the Mets can find a taker for Santana, trading him makes a degree more sense. Wright will still be only 29 next year, and could potentially help the Mets for the next five to seven years if they choose to keep him around. Santana will be 33 in 2012 and probably won’t be around after the Mets inevitably buy out his option. Wouldn’t seeking a trade for him, while eating even half his salary, make more sense than trading away a younger, useful position player?
Joe also writes about the Yankees at River Ave. Blues.
Does someone have Sandy’s phone number? Thanks.
Will they even be in a position to trade him if/when he comes back this year? I don’t see him getting better AND showing he’s healthy enough to hold down a rotation spot until after the no-trade deadline. A crazy waiver trade could be pulled off, but that seems pretty excessive for a month or so from guy who’s coming back from a pretty serious injury.
I’d definitely say they’d be smart to look into moving him, but I just can’t see it happening this year. I don’t even really see it happening in the off-season, because I think teams might still want to see that he makes it through spring training healthy.
Trading away Santana might be something that has to wait until next March or April, at least.
In order for the Mets to have a reasonable chance at dealing Santana he would probably have to make it back to the big leagues in early July. That would give him the remainder of May and all of June to go on a rehab assignment and then two months to prove he’s still an elite pitcher. His trade deadline is 8/31 because there’s zero chance a team puts a claim on him after the non-waiver deadline passes. And if a team did there’s a strong liklihood the Mets would just let him go.
Too many things have to go right for the Mets and Johan Santana for him to be dealt this season. The best New York could hope for is that Santana finishes strong and someone makes a deal for him in the off-season with the Mets eating some salary.
There isn’t a 8/31 trade deadline, as far as I know. That’s just the cut-off for when a player traded (or dumped) after clearing waivers can play in the play-offs. Any player traded after that date is ineligible for post-season play, is all; it’s not a firm date.
However, if a team is likely to trade for Santana, it’s likely to be a contender this year (or possibly next), meaning he has an effective 8/31 deadline. It’s an important distinction, however.
Yes mattinm, that’s what I was trying to get at by saying “His trade deadline…” as in pertaining only to him because no one is likely to have any interest if they can’t get him onto a post season roster. As many have pointed out though, it would be a huge surprise to see him moved mid-season.
Just to be clear, in the beginning of the third paragraph I noted that this is for the off-season. Clearly he’s ending the season on the Mets’ roster.
Also, speaking of injury-recovering aces- does anybody have an analysis of Greinke in the pipeline? After this last start, I am simply astounded by the disconnect between peripherals and results: about 6.5 ERA with an xFIP of 1.5. I could see that happening due to one bad start, but basically every start has been a bad start.
He’s striking tons of guys out, he’s not walking anybody, his HR/FB rate is bad but not horrible. Yet start after start, he’s giving up runs in bunches. While it’s impossible for anybody to maintain that kind of strand rate, the repeated disconnect between K/BB and results is making me wonder a bit. Is it possible he’s pounding the strike zone a little TOO much?
Anyway, hopefully somebody has some deeper analysis into the guy because his last start has really gotten me scratching my head.
I’m going to hazard a guess and just say its simply a combination of bad luck and SSS. His BABIP is at .370 right now and his HR/FB rate is 21.1%. Those two are definitely not going to sustain themselves.
and his his K/9 is over 12 or something.
especially making most of his starts in the NL central
Wow. The 2012 FA class looks really bad. Can anyone remember a more lackluster group of free agents?
If someone is willing to take on Vernon Wells contract, anything is possible as far as trading contracts.
I agree. If a) Santana comes back in July and pitches pretty well for over a month, and b) the pixie dust wears off of Colon & Garcia, then I wouldn’t put it past the yankees to claim him off of waivers – especially with an extremely weak free agent class, and Sabathia’s ability to opt out of his contract.
I don’t think it’ll turn out that way, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it did happen.
What is this: a sports forum or an auction block? Mike Francesa, a guy I don’t generally agree with said it best yesterday: “New Yorkers will not accept a team that is run like a small-market operation.” As the original Santana trade indicated, trading for prospects is a high-risk scenario. The Twins essentially got nothing whatsoever for a home-grown superstar: it didn’t hurt them right away back in 08, but look at them now. What the Wilputzes need to do is find a buyer immediately who can provide the influx of cash to keep the Mets running like the major market team they are, not the Pittsburgh Pirates. Wright should be traded:Reyes needs to be kept.Beltran obviously is out the door.Everyone here acts like Alderson is a magician who will take the shell of a team left after a fire sale and somehow transform it instantly into a competitor. Not goingto happen.
You lost me at “Mike Francesa … said it best”
Let’s face it – if the Mets were to be run like the Marlins, or hell, even the Rays since their owner was a Mets fan growing up, they’d be fine in New York. Mets fans care about winning games, not payroll. And they will pack the house like they did at Shea when the team was winning games.
You, like Mike Francesca, seem to think that $100 million is “small-market”. Lemme put it another way for you; the Mets’ ~$150 million this year includes K-Rod, Jason Bay, Oliver Perez, and Luis Castillo. That alone represents over $40 million in poor contracts. “Small-market” and “avoiding bad contracts” are most definitely not the same.
Would you rather be the Cubs?
You said it before I could.
Also, perhaps Mike Francesa says stuff like that because he’s a Yankee fan, or a sports host who’d rather talk with and about big stars, or whatever.
As Paqza says, Met fans don’t care about the payroll. They want to watch a good team. New Yorkers aren’t half as hung up with “big-marketness” as the media thinks they are. This is totally a media construct.
The Santana trade wouldn’t even truly be for prospects, at least not the type of prospect haul that Santana drew originally. It’s more of a salary dump, as Joe indicated above.
can I be a super fanboy for a moment:
And ask if the Red Sox offer Yamico Navarro and Dubrunt for Santana, would the Mets still pick up 10m the next two years ?
I only wish Theo Epstein were that stupid. I think he seems too competent to do that, though.
No free agent class with Jonathan Broxton can be called “thin.”
I bet the Phillies will take him. They seem to think it’s a good idea to lock up pitchers well into their 30s for 20 plus million a year. Think about it. They could have Johan from 2012-2014 in his 33-35 years for about 75 million. Cliff Lee 2012-2016 in his 33-37 years for about 125 million, and Roy Halladay from 2012-2014 in his 35-37 years for 60 million.
Not to mention however much they’re paying ryan howard (about 120M) from 2012-2017, his 32-37 years. Chase Utley’s 30M 2012 and 2013, his 33 and 34 years.
So yea, Phillies seem like perfect suitors.