What Makes a Team Good at Replay Challenges?

We’re somewhere between 25% and 33% into the 2014 season, which means we’re about 25% to 33% into the first season of the Instant Replay Era. Stylistically, I didn’t need to capitalize that, but it makes it feel like a bigger deal. In 2024, it won’t be a big deal, but instant replay is still a shiny new toy that we’re playing and tinkering with, so it seems like a more important thing at the moment. There are a bunch of new rules, new strategies, and new things for managers to think about. So, to paraphrase Ed Koch, how we doing?

Jeff Sullivan, in his handsome wisdom, already talked about replay’s affect on the time of the game. The gist — games are a little longer than last year, but games have been getting longer for some time, so it’s hard to say definitively how much replay has affected that. At the time of this writing, there have been 773 games played. According to Baseball Savant’s replay database (point of order — this is my informational source going the rest of the way), there have been 389 challenges, 60 of which have been issued by umpires. That comes out to just about a challenge per every two games. Is that a lot? We don’t know! May isn’t quite over, but there isn’t much difference in challenges between this month and April. So far, managers have found their stride when it comes to challenging calls.

A long-running debate in our own dweeb corner has been over the affect managers actually have on the team. There are things we can measure like lineup construction, bullpen usage, and proclivity for bunting (the act, not the decoration). There are things we can’t accurately measure like leadership qualities and personnel handling. With replay, one more thing we can measure is presented to us. Exactly what we do with that information isn’t entirely clear, however.

When I’m perusing Twitter in the evening, I will sometimes catch a glimpse of a beat writer call attention to a challenge, how it was ruled, and what the manager’s “record” for challenges is. This is a statistic, and statistics have their own varying degree of usefulness. When a manager has a certain record on challenges, we have a natural tendency to think that a high success rate is good, a poor one is bad. Everyone wants to be successful. There’s whole sections of bookstores devoted to being successful. But it’s the difference between success and failure — in this hyper-specific case, at least — that interests me.

 

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Team Challenges Over Turned Not Over Turned Percentage Over Turned
Marlins 12 10 2 83.33%
Yankees 11 9 2 81.82%
Braves 11 8 3 72.73%
Padres 7 5 2 71.43%
Giants 12 8 4 66.67%
Orioles 6 4 2 66.67%
Astros 11 7 4 63.64%
Royals 10 6 4 60.00%
Dodgers 10 6 4 60.00%
Rangers 12 7 5 58.33%
Rockies 12 7 5 58.33%
Tigers 14 8 6 57.14%
Pirates 16 9 7 56.25%
Brewers 9 5 4 55.56%
Phillies 11 6 5 54.55%
Cubs 19 10 9 52.63%
Nationals 10 5 5 50.00%
Mariners 10 5 5 50.00%
Angels 13 6 7 46.15%
Red Sox 7 3 4 42.86%
Athletics 12 5 7 41.67%
Mets 8 3 5 37.50%
Blue Jays 19 7 12 36.84%
Indians 11 4 7 36.36%
Rays 18 6 12 33.33%
Twins 9 3 6 33.33%
D-backs 6 2 4 33.33%
Cardinals 6 2 4 33.33%
White Sox 10 3 7 30.00%
Reds 7 1 6 14.29%

This is — again, as of this writing — the numbers as far as challenges per team, and the success rate thereof. The Cubs and Blue Jays challenged the most, with moderate success. The Orioles challenged the least, with better success. The Marlins are the best as far as success rate goes. The Reds don’t challenge very often, which is good because they stink at it.

That’s actually not being fair. It’s not as simple as saying Mike Redmond is smart and Bryan Price isn’t. A manager might have different motives for challenging. Perhaps he genuinely thought a call was bad, but maybe he’s stalling to get a guy a few more throws in the bullpen. Perhaps he’s sticking up for one of his players who thought he got jobbed, or maybe he just wants to slow down the game a tad. I can’t say that I’ve seen a suspicious replay challenge, but I haven’t watched every baseball game, either. Winning a challenge might not be the ultimate goal. And even if it is, it’s unclear just how beneficial winning is, anyway.

It’s probably safe to say that being successful at getting calls overturned is a good thing. If your team is on the bad end of a call, getting it reversed helps them. An out is taken away in your favor or added in your favor, and your chance at winning the game is increased at least a little bit. A lost challenge? Well that’s a little harder to figure out.

As it stands right now, the only penalty for a team that loses a challenge is that they get no more challenges. Umpires can still issue one on the team’s behalf after the seventh inning. If a challenge is used on an obvious good call, that would seem to be a bad thing. However, there is no guarantee that another challengeable call is coming, so the point might be moot.

And, of course, not all reversed calls are created equal. On a run expectancy/win expectancy level, an overturned call to keep a runner at first with two outs in the second of a tie game isn’t worth as much as an overturned call to keep a runner at third with one out in eighth inning of a tie game. We can chide the teams who don’t get many calls overturned, but perhaps the successful challenges gave them big chances to win.

In the NFL, a coach that loses a challenge loses another shot at a challenge AND a timeout. This is discernable thing that gets taken away. Timeouts in football are important, especially in the second half. In baseball, the cost of losing a challenge is much less. No outs are taken away. No limit on pitching changes are invoked. If you try something and it doesn’t work, the worst thing that happens is that you can’t do that thing anymore. If it does work, there’s a better chance that good things will come to fruition. This is the basic idea behind dating culture as well, though that doesn’t seem to be relevant here.

As baseball thinkers, we look at success rates as a fairly binary thing. Stolen bases are good, getting caught stealing is bad, and it’s important to do the former more than the latter. Things like OPS and ISO are success rates in their own way. But with challenges, the gains so far outweigh the cost, that perhaps success rate isn’t as important. Perhaps the Blue Jays, Cubs, Rays, and Pirates have the right idea. If it’s close, challenge it. The WORST thing that could happen is the rest of the game would have to be managed as if it were 2013. Heck, the umpires can still bail you out after the seventh inning if they think they really borked a call.

Come on, Orioles! Time to get more challenge-happy! Hey Reds, don’t let your poor showing so far keep you down. You got pretty much nothing to lose! YOLO, etc.!

Twenty years from now, someone will have done a study that looks at challenges and leverage indices and win probabilities and we’ll be as sure about challenging as we are about bunting (still not the decoration). Until then, it seems to make sense to keep throwing pasta at the wall. If it sticks, good for you. If it falls, so be it. It’s not like you need to ice the other guy’s kicker or anything.

 





David G. Temple is the Managing Editor of TechGraphs and a contributor to FanGraphs, NotGraphs and The Hardball Times. He hosts the award-eligible podcast Stealing Home. Dayn Perry once called him a "Bible Made of Lasers." Follow him on Twitter @davidgtemple.

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adam
12 years ago

I realize sample size and all comes into play, but there is one thing about the Yankees’ success rate that makes me wonder a little bit.

The Yankees are one of a few teams to use multiple high-speed cameras (with the awful-sounding ‘Yes-mo’ branding at both home and road games. This has made a lot of near-tie situations at first seem a heck of a lot more conclusive as a viewer and I think it weeds out a lot of the calls that should obviously not be challenged.

Also, Oakland is using a 1-5 ‘flash card’ system to relay their expected success on a challenge from the dugout to the manager discussing his pet corgi with Jim Joyce. Anyone else doing this?

DNA+
12 years ago

1) How are some teams so bad at challenging? They look at the video before they decide to challenge.

2) There is also the cost of failing to attempt a challenge. Some teams might have a high success rate, but only because they only challenge the most obvious blown calls. They might be passing up winnable challenges.

…as someone who watches the Yankees, it’s obvious to me why they always win their challenges. YES shows the replays before Girardi even finishes his crawl from the dugout to the umpire. The viewers know before Girardi does if he will decide to challenge, and if he decides to, he will be successful. I assumed this was true of all teams, but apparently not.

emdash
12 years ago
Reply to  DNA+

I’d imagine part of it might be the learning curve for some teams – I’m a Nationals fan, and Matt Williams made a lot of silly challenges on bang-bang plays at first base in April before finally realizing that play isn’t going to get overturned unless it’s incredibly obvious. I think he was something like 0 for his first 5 or 6 attempts before he got better in late April/May.

DNA+
12 years ago
Reply to  emdash

That is certainly possible. If that is the case, we should expect the variation in success rate to settle down and all teams to become pretty similar as they learn the system more.

jrubyMember since 2016
12 years ago

I’m interested in how much the players have to do with it. When Chase Utley signals to Ryne Sandberg to challenge, they don’t even go to the phone. I’ve seen him do this twice on tags at second – both with him holding the tag as the runner came off the bag. When Utley’s *not* involved, it’s usually Sandberg looking at Bowa, who gives a comically exaggerated “I dunno” look

DNA+
12 years ago
Reply to  jruby

Derek Jeter recently made a successful challenge on his own. Jeter called for the challenge straight away, and the umps just did what he said. I’m not sure if they got some signal from Girardi that wasn’t shown on TV, but Girardi definitely never left the dugout.

Anon21
12 years ago
Reply to  DNA+

They had to have gotten a signal from Giardi; under the rules, only the manager is authorized to initiate a challenge.

DNA+
12 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Agreed. That is my understanding as well, but it sure didn’t look like it from the broadcast. The YES broadcast booth found it quite amusing.

Doug Lampert
12 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Depends on the inning. If I’m an ump and it’s late in the game and Derek Jeter tells me “you got that wrong” I may call the challenge myself.

adam
12 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

If this was the Pirates game, Jeter did the little finger twirl, then Girardi came out for a few seconds before asking for the replay..

Also amusing was that the same ump had two calls overturned in the same game involving the same two players. Before the verdict came in on the second, Jeter told the (rookie?) runner “you’re not getting away from me this time” before promising him a signed jersey.

Tim
12 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Little known rule: Derek Jeter is allowed to assume any position on a baseball field at any time.

Perhaps for that moment, Jeter was the manager of the Yankees. Any other player might have simply become the second base umpire to overturn the call. But that’s the level of respect that Derek Jeter has for the game.

everdiso
12 years ago

I think total number of plays overturned in a team’s favor is a more interesting metric than percentage of successful challenges, since the number of challenges is probably more dependant on how many close plays that team has happened to be involved with, whike the total number of overturned calls might be a better indicator of which teams get screwed over by the umps more often.

28 this year
12 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

I don’t get what you mean. The only plays that are overturned in your favor are those that you challenge and they get overturned which is what is discussed. Either the play is what it is or you challenge and get it overturned.

It’s also not getting screwed over by umps anymore since the challenge system reduces its occurrence and any metric based on looking at outcomes of challenges by definition means they didn’t get screwed since theoretically the challenged calls are now correct.

james wilson
12 years ago

The challenge has little to do with the length of the game. The dog and pony show where the manager comes out to chew the fat with blue while the boys in the truck assess the evidence does change the game for the worse.

Give a manager five seconds to challenge a play. If you are sure you got hosed, pull the trigger. Otherwise move on.

jrubyMember since 2016
12 years ago
Reply to  james wilson

Cool story bro

jrubyMember since 2016
12 years ago
Reply to  jruby

But seriously there are a lot of ways they should be trying to speed up he game; sacrificing correctness isn’t one of them

jrubyMember since 2016
12 years ago
Reply to  jruby

But I was also being douchey; I get what you’re saying too. I think they need some more leeway than very first impression. Like what an NFL coach has; maybe they can challenge up until the pitcher gets set for the next pitch or something.

Anon21
12 years ago
Reply to  jruby

jruby, that particular rule would create a bad assymmetry between batting challenges (get it challenged now, now, now) and defending challenges (have the pitcher step off the rubber, rub up the rosin bag, etc., while we figure out if it’s worth challenging).

I agree with your first point: if this is worth taking the time to review, it’s also worth giving managers long enough to figure out if the play is worth challenging. A lot of people like james wilson seem to assume that the “chewing the fat” stalling is presumptively illegitimate. Wrong. There has to be a period during which the challenging team can review, although it doesn’t have to come in its current form of manager-umpire “discussions.”

Eric
12 years ago

Intuitively, it seems like a manager that challenges more force out plays will be more successful than one that challenges tag plays because of the camera angles and reliance upon “the original call” when it comes to over turning or upholding a call. As a Reds fan, 2-3 Bryan Price challenges stick out.
One, against the Braves, Cueto had Justin Upton picked off by 2-3 inches. The umpire calls him safe, Price challenges, and the video shows Votto’s glove getting to Upton’s hand well short of the base. However, due to the “straight on” nature of the video replay, the umpire concluded you could not tell without a doubt the glove was on the hand. It was one of the more egregious blown replays I have seen (granted I am a little biased).
Two, against St. Louis on Sunday. Wong stole second, slid directly into the leg of Brandon Phillips but was called safe. The replay certainly made it appear the runner was out, but again there was no camera view cleraly showing Wong’s hand OFF the base.
Three, against Washington a week or so ago, Frazier stole 3rd, the throw beat him but it looked he missed the tag. Replay again showed nothing definitive.
A similar thing happened to Boston on a tag play where the review umpire apparently didn’t have the same camera angles as the TV crew. I don’t think you’d have those issues with a force play because those are all pretty cut and dry.

companion cube
12 years ago
Reply to  Eric

Yeah, but force plays are far less likely to require a challenge, so you can’t quite say that managers should just challenge more force plays and fewer tag plays

Eric
12 years ago
Reply to  companion cube

Yeah, I didn’t mean it so much as which plays managers should challenge, just more of a general observation that the Marlins, for example, may have challenged more force plays than the Reds which might explain the large gulf between top and bottom.

Eric
12 years ago

I went to baseballsavant.com just to see the Rockies breakdown and it looks like they’ve only had 7/12 overturned. Am I missing something?

Hurtlocker
12 years ago

I’m surprised at some of the tricky slides you see that result in overturned calls. In the old days, if the ball beat the runner by a bunch, the guy was usually called out.

DNA+
12 years ago

By the way, does anyone else hate the replay? I have not warmed to it all. The thing I really love about baseball is the drama, and I guess I even like the drama of the blown calls.

Ben
12 years ago
Reply to  DNA+

Get back to me when your favorite team loses a playoff game due to a dramatic blown call.

Eric R
12 years ago

Lets say most replays are safe/out at a base. And lets say on average keeping the base runner [and not adding an out], is worth 0.7 runs scored [or prevented]

170 x 0.7runs = 119 runs; about 4.0 per team… so thus far the best teams have saved about 3 extra runs relative to average and the worst team -3.3 runs. We’re about a third of the way through, so the range is looking like +/- 10 runs per year.

That is like a free win for the team on the high end.

cs3
12 years ago

who cares about the success rate? shouldnt the total number of calls overturned be the only thing teams care about?

mgoetze
12 years ago
Reply to  cs3

I agree, if you have a high success rate it probably just means you aren’t challenging enough.

mgoetze
12 years ago

“Jeff Sullivan, in his handsome wisdom, already talked about replay’s affect on the time of the game.”

Can someone explain to me why it is so hard to write “effect” and “affecting” (correct) rather “affect” and “effecting” (incorrect)? I see people get this wrong more often than they get it write.

mgoetze
12 years ago
Reply to  mgoetze

*right

Pirates Hurdles
12 years ago
Reply to  mgoetze

messing up “write” and “right” in a comment correcting grammar (incorrectly) is probably the funniest thing I have seen on FG in weeks.

mgoetze
12 years ago

Well, I don’t proofread my comments the way I expect articles to be proofread.

Tim
12 years ago
Reply to  mgoetze

Jeff Sullivan is required by contract to use maximum affect at all times.

rr
12 years ago
Reply to  mgoetze

Effect is the correct usage there, but affect is just as much of a word.

kjohnson
12 years ago

The challenge system, which I like as a whole, does change the dynamic of watching the game at the ballpark. In a recent Rockies game I attended, the Rockies’ first two hitters of the game each reached first base, attempted to steal second, were called safe on the field, and were subsequently called out when challenged and reviewed.

As the runner breaks for second, the race between the runner and the catcher’s throw creates spontaneous excitement and anticipation of the outcome. The outcome of the play is immediately known as the umpire makes his call, creating a sense of further excitement or disappointment in the moment.

When replay is consulted, the sense of excitement and anticipation is not nearly the same as what occurs in the moment. It’s almost like being in the studio audience watching Jeopardy while the contestant Googles the correct answer.

And in the case of the game where the first two runners were consecutively called out on steal attempts upon review of the replay, the crowd broke out into a chorus of boos as if someone had taken away what was rightly theirs (the safe call, which wasn’t rightly theirs but felt as if it was).

I’m not saying I don’t like the introduction of replay, because I do. I’m just saying it does change the dynamic of watching the game at the ballpark.

a
12 years ago
Reply to  kjohnson

Weird. During a hockey replay, there’s an incredible sense of anticipation. And that’s a sport with a lot more “flow” than baseball.

Tim
12 years ago
Reply to  a

Hockey replays are a lot more important than baseball replays. If there were only five bases gained in an average baseball game, we’d need a new scoring system, but the replays would be intense.