What Should the Rays Do?
The Tampa Bay Rays are a fascinating case study this offseason. They’re not bad, but it’s been a while since they were contenders. They haven’t finished with a winning record in any of the past four seasons, and as things stand right now, they aren’t projected as a 2018 playoff team either. Our depth charts currently peg them for having the 16th-best WAR in the majors, and the ninth-best in the American League. There isn’t a lot of separation between the Rays at 16th and the Diamondbacks at 10th, but by that same token, they’re not that far from the Orioles at 18th overall, either.
With some upgrades, the Rays could conceivably push a little closer to the top of the list and put themselves more firmly into the Wild Card mix. But as Craig noted on Friday, the Rays have already committed to a more expensive roster in 2018 than they did in 2017. As such, they may not have any money to spend in free agency. In fact, they may have to jettison some salaries. Who would they jettison, exactly? Let’s take a look:
| Player | 2018 Salary ($M) | 2017 WAR | Proj. 2018 WAR |
|---|---|---|---|
| Evan Longoria | $13.6 | 2.5 | 3.0 |
| Wilson Ramos | $8.5 | 0.4 | 2.0 |
| Jake Odorizzi | $6.5 | 0.1 | 0.9 |
| Corey Dickerson | $6.4 | 2.6 | 1.1 |
| Chris Archer | $6.4 | 4.6 | 4.4 |
| Kevin Kiermaier | $5.6 | 3.0 | 3.8 |
| Alex Colome | $5.5 | 1.2 | 0.7 |
| Adeiny Hechavarria | $5.0 | 1.3 | 0.7 |
Projected WAR via FanGraphs depth charts
So the Rays have eight players who are expected to make $5 million or more next season, either as part of their current contract or through arbitration (estimates of which have been provided by Matt Swartz). Brad Miller is projected to make $4.4 million in arbitration, which is also noteworthy.
There’s a bunch of different iterations/combinations the team could take with these players. If cutting payroll were truly the goal, they could cut back from the $80 million range to the $60 million range by trading Longoria and Ramos. Probably no one would cry about losing Ramos — yes, he’s a good catcher, but he’s rarely healthy and productive at the same time. After he posted 2.6 WAR in his rookie 2011 campaign, it took him five more seasons to cross the 2.0 WAR threshold again. I know, catcher value isn’t captured completely by WAR, but I think the point still holds.
Trading Longoria, on the other hand, is probably a non-starter. Longoria is the Rays — his 49.6 WAR as a Ray represents the highest mark in the history of the organization, 13 more more than second-place Carl Crawford. If he finishes his career in a Rays uniform, he may have a decent shot at the Hall of Fame. Hall of Stats has him close to the borderline for a Hall of Fame player already.
So, we probably won’t see a Longoria trade. Ramos seems unlikely, as well: while he’s no Johnny Bench, there probably won’t be a lot of savings on the free-agent market, unless the club is willing to take a significant step backwards. Which they could be, undoubtedly. But trading Odorizzi and Dickerson might be a better bet. Together, they’re projected to be worth the same 2.0 WAR Ramos is and play more replaceable positions. Dickerson’s playing time could be given to Mallex Smith and (when he’s called up) Jake Bauers, and Odorizzi’s could be given to Matt Andriese and (when he’s called up) Brent Honeywell. In an ideal world, you’d want to maximize your return on Dickerson and Odorizzi. If the main goal is cost savings, however, that’s not as important.
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Of course, the main goal may not be cost savings. The Rays have often been forced (or force themselves, depending on your point of view) to compete by developing their own players through the farm system. As such, maximizing the return on trades is almost always the goal. Accordingly, it seems like we’re likely to be treated to another winter of Chris Archer trade rumors. Archer is easily the best player by projected WAR (and by 2017 WAR) on the club and has an incredibly team-friendly contract that would fetch a bushel of prospects. The same is true of Kevin Kiermaier.
If the Rays are trying to compete in 2018, though, trading either Archer or Kiermaier doesn’t make a ton of sense. Neither does trading Colome. Colome, as a closer who has saved 84 games the past two seasons, would probably fetch a good price, too, but the Tampa Bay bullpen is already bad enough with him. Trade him and protecting leads becomes even more difficult. Hechavarria has been traded twice in his young career already and may not have much trade value left in him. The same may be true of Miller, though he has only been traded once.
So if they aren’t punting, a good strategy might be to shop Dickerson, Miller, and Odorizzi, and see what turns up. If low-cost replacements are available for them, great; if not, that’s also fine. The goal would be to simply fill holes until the Super 2 deadline passes and Bauers, Honeywell, and infielder Willy Adames can ascend to the Show.
On the other hand, if the club does decide to punt, there might be a chance to reload quickly around Adames, Bauers, Honeywell, and Jose De Leon. After all, the team has been mediocre for four years: why not try and break the cycle by being bold?
Adames and Honeywell made the top 20 of Eric’s midseason top-100 prospects list, and Bauers an De Leon were considered for it. Brendan McKay may rocket through the minors. Jake Faria and Mallex Smith have youth and promise. There’s an interesting young core bubbling up here, but maybe the 2018 team is destined to top out at 83 wins. Or maybe the risk/reward of popping over that 83-win mark and into the playoff conversation isn’t worth it. Could dealing Archer and Kiermaier bring back five or six Double-A-and-above prospects? If so, is that enough to form a wave that really crescendos on the shores of St. Petersburg in mid-2019?
The thing is, neither plan is bulletproof. This year’s Rays — should they stay the course for the most part, trading off just enough guys to get under their payroll threshold and counting on the prospects to provide a midseason boost — might be good enough to get to 88 wins. But they might not. The same is true of hunting prospects in trade. Can they find the right prospects, and will they match up with the prospects the team already has? Teams like the Cubs and Astros have made it seem easy to graduate multiple solid-to-MVP-level contributors to the majors in a short span of time, but reality is often much crueler.
I’d probably stay the course, hoping that the team stays competitive until the prospects come up in late June/early July, but I could be swayed from that opinion. If you were running the Rays, what would you do?
Paul Swydan used to be the managing editor of The Hardball Times, a writer and editor for FanGraphs and a writer for Boston.com and The Boston Globe. Now, he owns The Silver Unicorn Bookstore, an independent bookstore in Acton, Mass. Follow him on Twitter @Swydan. Follow the store @SilUnicornActon.

Bauers, Honeywell, and Adames are ready for Opening Day Assignments. Getting rid of Miller, Hech, and Odorizzi gets the Rays under the salary limit, and probably improves the team. Archer and Kiermaier will have tons of trade value if they bomb in 2018 and can be traded if needed later.
While I don’t disagree on the readiness of Adames, Bauers and Honeywell, it would seem like quite the departure for the Rays to call up three top prospects for Opening Day. Seems like the safer bet would have them waiting until the Super 2 deadline passes.
Indeed true. I’m still complaining they didn’t call these three up to fight for the wild card last fall instead of wasting money on guys like Duda. Should and will are more different with the Rays than with most teams.
Is it possible that Chris Archer may not actually have that much trade value? He has consistently underperformed his peripherals the last three years and it seems due to a tendency to allow lots of hard-hit balls.
Sorting qualified pitchers by Batted Ball Hard% over the last three years, he ranks 6th-worst of 123 pitchers, nestled in between Ricky Nolasco and Josh Tomlin. Sorting by Soft% sees him rank 9th-worst.
I get that he induces lots of strikeouts and doesn’t walk a huge amount of players, so his xFIP looks healthy, but from watching him the last few years as a Rays fan, it has been very frustrating to see the results not quite pan out like it seems they should.
While I don’t dispute that line of thinking, I think when you combine that he has great peripherals AND an insanely friendly contract that yes, he’d have a great deal of value.
Chris Archer doesn’t manage contact well, but he also limits contact better than almost any starter in baseball. His ERA was 0.67 runs worse this year than his FIP. That won’t be the case next year. His career difference between ERA and FIP is 0.17. As a Rays fan, myself, I’ve found that other Rays fans tend to be way too hard on Archer, either bc they don’t understand that ERA is not the best measure of pitcher quality or bc they have unrealistic expectations for what Archer “should” be. He’s a 29-year-old top 20 starter (arguably a top 10 starter) with a near spotless injury history on a team-friendly deal with four years of team control remaining. That’s a very valuable commodity, whether Rays fans realize it or not.
I think any time the Rays can trade for top prospect volume they just have to do it, much like the As, they are destined to only be competitive if they hit it big on a bunch of guys at once, and that’s only a viable plan if you can stockpile enough prospects that the odds are in your favor.
They don’t have the assets for sustainability, they should focus instead on maximizing two to three year windows and punting the other seasons.
Never understood the Archer rumors. Makes no sense.
They will deal Odorizzi and maybe another piece like Hech. Are things really this tight in Tampa..? yeesh.
Pads could be a good fit for both or the Ms, who are in on seemingly anything.
Compete, yet dangle people for TOP prospects. The Rays continue to have a VERY deep 40 man roster and farm system. Beyond Adames, Honeywell and Bauers that you mention it includes Jesus Sanchez, Lucious Fox, Garrett Whitley, Justin Williams but several other 40-45 prospects and the 40 man includes SPs (possible RPs in some cases) Archer, Andriese, Deleon, Eovaldi, Faria, Hu, Odorizzi, Pruitt, Schultz, Snell, Whitley. Hu and Whitley seem to be full time RPs now, but that still leaves 8SP and one swingman (pruitt). Plus Honeywell in the minors, available in June. Dangle Archer, if any premium names come up jump, but sell on Odorizzi and Colome. Bullpen is also loaded, but sell for either Major League help or really young prospects. IF has Duffy coming back, so with Duffy, Longoria, Adames, Hech, Miller and any value 1b that falls to them I think either Hech or Miller have to go, maybe ever DFAd unfortunately. Dickerson they need, OF depth is limited and the Rays have to bring someone else in as is from FA. They lack a true #1 and consistency, but at times you could see a really good team on the field so they have to go for it.
Slappy… the Rays have a deep pen?? Was closer to midpack this year and losing Colome would not be easy to replace.
2nd half was awesome, and yes Cishek and Colome moving on is tough but they have Stanek, Alvarado, Cedeno, Boxberger, Hu, plus any of Schultz/Pruitt/Whitley/Deleon that don’t make SP cut. Personally, if he’s healthy, I think Deleon would make an excellent closer, he’s got the stuff. Lotta talent in that group, and yes, it could implode but it looks good.
I think they will [try to] move Colome. It seems like they have few other choices to cut the payroll. Colome and Odorizzi seem like the obvious payroll trimmings. And maybe Brad Miller, tho he’s so “buy low” that they won’t get much for him esp not that he’s Arb.
Diego Castillo, just added to the Rays 40-man, will be a closer candidate next season. He’s got a chance to be as good as Colome. Same for Schultz.
The Rays ran out of room to start Faria last year and he was better than Odorizzi. Going forward, you’d have to imagine that’d be a lateral change for them, if not an upgrade.
So yeah, sell off Odorizzi to rid the salary and just hand that job to Faria.
For the Rays, there is no punting just 2018. Archer, KK, Souza Jr, Longo and Colome are all under team friendly contratcs for the cheap controllable years of Adames, Bauers, Honeywell, JDL, Faria and Smith. If you were to trade the best players for prospects, they would need to be MLB ready to match the timing of the guys that are ready to graduate. So basically, trade your 5 WAR young centerfield under team control for a Victor Robles type? Trade Archer for a Buehler? Its doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you really want to punt 2018, you punt EVERYTHING to match McKay’s, Franco’s and Sanchez’s timeline. You punt for 2021 and trade all your MLB ready talent for guys 3-4 years away. Vlad Jr kind of guys. Suck terribly for some years and then graduate all at the same time. Punting 2018 for 2019 makes no sense unless Neander can get scary good returns on MLB ready players.
The other scenario, trade Odo and Dickmania and Miller for prospects or bullpen help doesn’t make much sense either. Odorizzi returns nothing this offseason. He’s a fly ball pitcher throwing juiced balls during the fly ball revolution. Until he shows he can play in this era, the return is gonna suck. Dickerson is a DH that was forced to play LF because we had to get Duda and Morrison’s bat in the lineup. Next year it’s prolly Mallex LF, Dickmania DH and Miller 1B. The Rays aren’t bringing Bauers and Adames before the Super 2 so it’s hoping 2016 Brad Miller shows up. Miller has no trade value and Dickerson we need, so trading them makes little sense. Of course, if the Rays are hellbent on reducing payroll those are the names to cut, but I feel like it’s better to keep them and see if they can bounce back.
A healthy Rays team can compete in 2018. Ramos, Longo, Duffy, Hech, Miller, Mallex, KK, Souza and CDick are a good enough lineup. Arch, Snell, Honey, Faria, JDL, Eovaldi, Andriese and Odo give you good innings for the most part. Whoever loses the SP battle goes to the bullpen with (hopefully) a better Stanek, Alvarado and Colome. Not a powerhouse, and we need thing to break our way, but we’re not Orioles or Royals bad.
Punting 2018 is the wrong move.
p.d: All that being said…Archer to the LAD for Buehler and Verdugo and KK to the Nationals for Robles and Fedde. Make it happen Neander.
p.d 2: Chris Archer needs a third picth like I need to breathe. He’s never gonna truly break out if he keeps throwing reliver stuff for 6 – 7 innings against the same teams over again.
All of this. The Rays don’t need any ‘depth’ prospects. It’s either TOP prospects or MLB ready pieces. Oh, and Odorizzi may be better in the Pen a la Wade Davis? Maybe his FB plays up better over 1 IP? Lots of options on this team
That’s what I was thinking but a team with more payroll resources will prob take that project on.
Wow that’s a close poll
I think that with Boston and NYY very strong for the foreseeable future, they have the rare opportunity to build a super-farm system by trading some combo of Archer, Odi, Kier, Ramos, Colome, Miller…I know that sucks as a fan, but imagine the prospects for Archer-Colome-Kier?!
Boston consolidated their window since Dombrowski’s been there. Can see Tampa’s next wave cresting as Boston starts to lose their pieces and not have the young talent to patch holes (DD turned the Boston into Detroit East. What you’re seeing in Detroit is what Boston will have to deal with in 3 years).
This year proved 82-85 wins keeps you in the playoff race for the 2nd WC. Chase it Tampa
Punting now seems like punting on second down, to extend the analogy. The prospects will still be there in July, and you’ll have a better idea of what you’re getting. Always seemed to me like the White Sox punted too soon. Throw a deep ball into triple coverage! If it’s intercepted, no big deal.
Trade everyone. Rays don’t have the payroll to jump from where they currently are to contention, and they don’t have the talent in the farm that they did 5, 10, and 15 years ago when they jumped up those times either. The org hasn’t really been the same post-Friedman, and it seems a full rebuild is the only way they will ever acquire enough talent at once.
The Rays can only compete with pre-arb players. Get a bunch of them. Hope a few pan out and compete down the road. Perhaps by then they’ll have more money and a better stadium to push up their payroll. The best teams now have money, prospects, and great front offices. The Rays shouldn’t try and compete for what would likely be a wild card spot that at best will be in their awful stadium in front of the other team’s fans. Chris Archer deserves to be in a big market where his personality will shine on a national stage.
As an Archer fantasy owner the last few years, I would definitely encourage the Rays to trade him. He’s pitched a ton of innings and the end of last year he absolutely fell apart. I would be extremely worried about a substantial injury coming around the corner very soon. Reminder, from Sept 2: “According to the Rays, Chris Archer left Saturday’s game because of right lateral forearm tightness.”
I am the future of the rays
what does the distribution of top prospects look like right now? With both Atlanta and the White Sox having the approach of trading talent for prospects, I would think that it’s possible that there isn’t as much yield for other teams