Which Managers Could Still Fake It as a Player?

At roughly the 10-minute mark of Dan Szymborski’s most recent appearance on FanGraphs Audio, that same guest proposes — partly in response to Game Three of the World Series and partly as an installment in the chronicles of the absurd — a rule change that, if adopted, could have some implications for how teams think of a coaching staff. Specifically, he suggests that, in those games where a team has exhausted its full complement of hitters — such as the Red Sox did during their 18-inning marathon against the Dodgers — that a manager should be allowed to take the field for his club. Although he doesn’t say it, the same could presumably be true on the pitching side, as well.

The sight of a manager actively involved in a game wouldn’t be unprecedented, of course. While utilized rarely over the past half-century — and not in any real way since Pete Rose served in that capacity for the Reds from 1984 through 1986 — player-manager was a pretty common job title in the earliest days of the game.

Recent seasons have provided managerial surrogates, of course. During the final years of his career, Jason Giambi played the part of friendly uncle just as much as he did pinch-hitter. One could say the same for Julio Franco and Matt Stairs and Jim Thome. Chase Utley was referred to as “dad” by teammates for the bulk of the 2018 season. Bartolo Colon is older than a number of actual managers.

While some players have persevered into their early 40s, Rose’s performance reveals why there’s probably little demand for a player-manager proper in the current version of the game. By his third year on Cincinnati’s roster, the 45-year-old Rose was able neither to hit nor run nor field at a major-league level. Those are, one notes, basically all the ways in which a ballplayer can create wins for his team. Nor does this even account for all the ways the manager’s role has evolved in 30 years. With the volume of data made available by front offices, coaches of all sorts have had to develop skills that would be foreign to many of their predecessors.

None of this negates a certain romance evoked by the notion of the player-manager, however. In a time when the game is defined by specialization, one who can adequately play multiple roles is not only valuable but a kind of brilliant anachronism. Surely this is part of Shohei Ohtani’s appeal: he’s part of a tradition of two-way players, but the tradition is supposed to have ended. One could say much the same thing of the player-manager.

If a manager were allowed to serve as a substitute, though, who would be best at it? Szymborski notes regarding the Red Sox that, at 43, Cora isn’t too far removed from his final days in the majors. He was, if nothing else, a pretty capable fielder. Surely, he could have some value in an emergency.

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To arrive at some kind of answer, I crafted some very haphazard projections. For each manager who played in the majors, I prorated WAR from their last three seasons to either 600 plate appearances (for position players), 450 plate appearances (for catchers), or 180 innings (for starting pitchers). (There are no managers who served primarily as relievers.) I then arrived at a prorated WAR “projection” weighting those three seasons by 3, 2, and 1, respectively, in reverse chronological order. If a player’s career ended in 2005, for example, this figure would serve as a rough forecast for 2006. We’ll call this the “projection year.”

With that figure having been calculated, I then added an aging penalty of 0.5 wins per season from the “projection year” up to 2019. The result, very hypothetically, is an estimate of the relevant manager’s current true talent.

There are a number of other caveats to make — like how I handled cases where a then-player recorded fewer than 20 plate appearances in one of his final campaigns or where his last three seasons weren’t consecutive — but to review them would represent an act of drudgery for everyone. Here, instead, are the results:

Active Managers by “Projected” WAR
Manager Team Pos pWAR
Craig Counsell Brewers IF -2.0
Rocco Baldelli Twins OF -3.1
Gabe Kapler Phillies OF -3.8
Brad Ausmus Angels C -4.0
Alex Cora Red Sox IF -4.1
David Bell Reds IF -4.6
Dave Roberts Dodgers OF -4.9
Aaron Boone Yankees IF -5.2
Kevin Cash Rays C -6.2
Mickey Callaway Mets RHP -6.3
AJ Hinch Astros C -7.1
Andy Green Padres IF -7.1
Dave Martinez Nationals OF -7.8
Don Mattingly Marlins IF -10.2
Bud Black Rockies LHP -10.4
Scott Servais Mariners C -10.4
Torey Lovullo D-backs IF -10.7
Rich Renteria White Sox IF -12.0
Charlie Montoyo Blue Jays IF -12.5
Bob Melvin Athletics C -14.8
Bruce Bochy Giants C -15.6
Clint Hurdle Pirates OF -15.8
Terry Francona Indians IF -16.2
Ron Gardenhire Tigers IF -17.0
Ned Yost Royals C -19.6
Joe Maddon Cubs
Mike Shildt Cardinals
Brian Snitker Braves
Orioles
Rangers
pWAR = Projected WAR prorated to 600 PA for field players, 450 PA for catchers, and 180 IP for pitchers.

While he never recorded more than three wins in any season, Brewers manager Craig Counsell also avoided the replacement-level threshold in every campaign but one as a player. Over his last three years in the majors (his age-38 to -40 seasons), he produced 3.0 WAR in 876 plate appearances, and that was just seven years ago. Between the relative strength of his final years and the recency of those last three seasons, he emerges as the top emergency player among managers. New Twins manager Rocco Baldelli comes in second by that measure, with Gabe Kapler close behind. In, say, a quarter-season’s worth of at-bats, all three would hypothetically remain within a win of replacement level.

Because they never reached the majors, Joe Maddon, Mike Shildt, and Brian Snitker receive no projection here. As a result, they probably count as the managers least qualified to serve as an emergency sub. (New Toronto manager Charlie Montoyo might belong to this group, as well: his projection is based on just five plate appearances in 1993. Still, they count!) Among managers who authored some sort of career, Ned Yost’s projection is worst, thanks largely to a -2.4 WAR campaign he produced in 1984.





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ARodTheGOAT
7 years ago

Aaron Boone might’ve hurt the Yankees less if he played all year at a -5.2 WAR clip rather than being the manager

Jon
7 years ago
Reply to  ARodTheGOAT

I can probably name 5 or 6 games off the top of my head that he directly lost for them via his “creative” use of the bullpen. So yeah, I would (in all seriousness) have to agree.

Los
7 years ago

So Craig Counsell is currently better than Chris Davis.

manormachine
7 years ago

What about coaches? What if the Marlins had been able to give Bonds at bats? Didn’t he supposedly beat Stanton et al in a BP HR derby?

Dmjn53
7 years ago
Reply to  manormachine

Bonds will be capable of a .400 OBP until he’s 106 years old

John DiFool2
7 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

But only if he wants to.

H.W. Linwood
7 years ago

Interesting article! I’d have to think that teams might re-think the selection of managers if this were the case, shifting an actual, qualified manager to a different role (likely bench coach) while having them retain authority and hiring a recently retired veteran still in good shape to nominally play the role of manager and play in an emergency. Could see this especially as a way for teams to squeeze an extra catcher or something in an emergency without using a true roster spot.

__AL
7 years ago
Reply to  H.W. Linwood

I think it’d actually make sense to have the bullpen catchers become eligible after a certain number of extra innings, or if the other rostered catchers are lost to injury. They’d be zeroes at bat, but they’re probably as familiar with the staff as the regular catchers, and it would save teams from doing the “emergency catcher” thing with some utility infielder.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  __AL

Make it like the EBUGs in hockey

khaaan
7 years ago
Reply to  Ryan DC

The idea and execution of the EBUG is really the coolest thing in hockey. Talk about adding a level of excitement and interest that baseball can’t compete with.

AlbyMember since 2025
7 years ago

Counsell was my immediate guess, mainly because he looks as young as he did when he was still playing.

EonADSMember since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  Alby

So true. Man has a baby-face.

Spahn_and_Sain
7 years ago
Reply to  Alby

I’ve been hoping Counsell would declare himself a player-manager for 4 seasons (especially when the Brewers were posting sub-.500 records).
There’s no way he’d have been worse 2B option than Sogord or Schoop this year.

baachouMember since 2025
7 years ago

So Craig Counsell and Rocco Baldelli are probably better than 2018 Chris Davis. Good to know.

Garyth
7 years ago

Could we expand this to other coaches and staff? Mark Prior was featured prominently in every peak at the Dodgers bullpen. How fun would it be to see Prior come in as the emergency pitcher in the 18 inning game!

ern19
7 years ago
Reply to  Garyth

Only for his shoulder to spontaneously combust after 1 pitch…

dl80Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  Garyth

Get Nolan Ryan in there!

MorboTheAnnihilator
7 years ago

At the plate, I would argue that Alex Cora, first, and then Aaron Boone likely represent the best options for their teams (I only examined the top 10 managers ranked by projected WAR from the post). I’m basing their entire value at the plate on their career HBP rates of 14.144 and 14.44 at bats per HBP because I think it is reasonable to assume that, as scientifically demonstrated by Coach on Cheers, the ability to draw a HBP is the least likely skill to decline with age.

ResolutionMember since 2020
7 years ago

Finally, a new path for Adam Dunn to get to 500 homers.

rfillaMember since 2025
7 years ago

If he were still a manager, where would Mike Matheny be on this list?

weinventyou
7 years ago

Hmm, 6 to 7 games below replacement. Arguably better than his impact as a manager!

dave
7 years ago

An executive who looks like he could still dress for a game is Brady Anderson. That dude is in his mid-50’s and looks in better playing shape than some players in their 20’s.

Alex Trebek
7 years ago
Reply to  dave

Do the managers get to keep using steroids?

dave
7 years ago
Reply to  Alex Trebek

Just saying he looks like he could still play is all.

Matt GreeneMember since 2025
7 years ago

The next logical consideration would be which league, NL or AL, would field a better roster in an “All-Star” Game of current managers.

Johnnie TMember since 2024
7 years ago

Reminds me of an old, probably apocryphal story. A long-retired Ty Cobb was complaining to a sports writer about how crappy the pitching was at the time compared to the days when he was a player. Cobb goes on to say that if he faced pitchers like that, he’d be a .300 hitter. The sportswriter points out to Cobb that his career batting average was .360 — you mean that you’d have a worse batting average now? Cobb allegedly replied something like “well, you have to understand, I’m in my 60s now…”

MoateMember since 2022
7 years ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

So the myth goes on…

The story you’re talking about is the infamous Louis Prima incident, and there’s a quote (maybe real, maybe fudged) in the scene from the movie Cobb with Tommy Lee Jones.

adrock75Member since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  Moate

I think I first saw that story in a collection of old Red Smith columns. I seem to recall he was quoting Lefty O’Doul talking about a superstar of yore, either Shoeless Joe Jackson or Ty Cobb.

Ed SherwoodMember since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  adrock75

I have seen a very similar quotation attributed to Sir Donald Bradman (Cricketer, Australia & New South Wales).

Rob
7 years ago

On a related note, would a managerial at bat or pitching appearance reset his HOF eligibility clock?

Psychic... Powerless...
7 years ago
Reply to  Rob

I believe so. I recall reading about this when Rafael Palmeiro announced his intention to play MLB again.

hopbittersMember since 2020
7 years ago

I would pay good money to see Joe Maddon manning the hot corner for a couple of innings.

ironfireman
7 years ago
Reply to  hopbitters

Only with a glass of Pinot in one hand.

scooter262
7 years ago

I think Gabe Kapler could do a bit better: not because he was such a great player, but I don’t think his decline would be age-appropriate: that guy is in f’ing good shape.

BillClinton
7 years ago

If Bonds got a hitting coach gig, I’d be willing to guess a 1 WAR projection or better for him.

Adam C
7 years ago
Reply to  BillClinton

I think Bonds could have been a productive pinch hitter, maybe part time DH, into his late 40’s if he was allowed to continue playing.

timprov
7 years ago
Reply to  Adam C

It’s very likely that Bonds is still better than at least 10% of the semi-regulars holding down MLB jobs.

If you had to choose between Bonds and Robbie Grossman, I’d have to think Bonds would be an easy pick. They have the same skill set but Bonds is better and might still hit some home runs too.

dl80Member since 2026
7 years ago

I would give $300 to see Rickey Henderson play a full game next year. I don’t even care what team.

timprov
7 years ago
Reply to  dl80

If we can find a million people who agree we could make that happen. I’m in.

joedodger
7 years ago
Reply to  timprov

I’m in for $20. Is somebody calling Rickey?

Barney Coolio
7 years ago

One of my favorite baseball fun facts is that former catcher Elrod Hendricks served as backup catcher and bullpen coach for the 1978-1979 Orioles. In 1979, he only had one game played with one plate appearance. But in 1978 he appeared in 12 games and played C in 6 games. What happened when he was catching? No bullpen coach? I guess.

When did teams start hiring bullpen coaches?

Monsignor Martinez
7 years ago

Baldelli would probably post 0 WAR simply because would end up getting injured for the season just by putting his glove on.

Steven LockhartMember since 2017
7 years ago

I’m not surprised to see Scott Servais down in the middle of the pack, but I’ll still take undue pride in the fact that Mariners have a complete GM/manager emergency battery with Dipoto and Servais.