Which Managers Could Still Fake It as a Player?
At roughly the 10-minute mark of Dan Szymborski’s most recent appearance on FanGraphs Audio, that same guest proposes — partly in response to Game Three of the World Series and partly as an installment in the chronicles of the absurd — a rule change that, if adopted, could have some implications for how teams think of a coaching staff. Specifically, he suggests that, in those games where a team has exhausted its full complement of hitters — such as the Red Sox did during their 18-inning marathon against the Dodgers — that a manager should be allowed to take the field for his club. Although he doesn’t say it, the same could presumably be true on the pitching side, as well.
The sight of a manager actively involved in a game wouldn’t be unprecedented, of course. While utilized rarely over the past half-century — and not in any real way since Pete Rose served in that capacity for the Reds from 1984 through 1986 — player-manager was a pretty common job title in the earliest days of the game.
Recent seasons have provided managerial surrogates, of course. During the final years of his career, Jason Giambi played the part of friendly uncle just as much as he did pinch-hitter. One could say the same for Julio Franco and Matt Stairs and Jim Thome. Chase Utley was referred to as “dad” by teammates for the bulk of the 2018 season. Bartolo Colon is older than a number of actual managers.
While some players have persevered into their early 40s, Rose’s performance reveals why there’s probably little demand for a player-manager proper in the current version of the game. By his third year on Cincinnati’s roster, the 45-year-old Rose was able neither to hit nor run nor field at a major-league level. Those are, one notes, basically all the ways in which a ballplayer can create wins for his team. Nor does this even account for all the ways the manager’s role has evolved in 30 years. With the volume of data made available by front offices, coaches of all sorts have had to develop skills that would be foreign to many of their predecessors.
None of this negates a certain romance evoked by the notion of the player-manager, however. In a time when the game is defined by specialization, one who can adequately play multiple roles is not only valuable but a kind of brilliant anachronism. Surely this is part of Shohei Ohtani’s appeal: he’s part of a tradition of two-way players, but the tradition is supposed to have ended. One could say much the same thing of the player-manager.
If a manager were allowed to serve as a substitute, though, who would be best at it? Szymborski notes regarding the Red Sox that, at 43, Cora isn’t too far removed from his final days in the majors. He was, if nothing else, a pretty capable fielder. Surely, he could have some value in an emergency.
To arrive at some kind of answer, I crafted some very haphazard projections. For each manager who played in the majors, I prorated WAR from their last three seasons to either 600 plate appearances (for position players), 450 plate appearances (for catchers), or 180 innings (for starting pitchers). (There are no managers who served primarily as relievers.) I then arrived at a prorated WAR “projection” weighting those three seasons by 3, 2, and 1, respectively, in reverse chronological order. If a player’s career ended in 2005, for example, this figure would serve as a rough forecast for 2006. We’ll call this the “projection year.”
With that figure having been calculated, I then added an aging penalty of 0.5 wins per season from the “projection year” up to 2019. The result, very hypothetically, is an estimate of the relevant manager’s current true talent.
There are a number of other caveats to make — like how I handled cases where a then-player recorded fewer than 20 plate appearances in one of his final campaigns or where his last three seasons weren’t consecutive — but to review them would represent an act of drudgery for everyone. Here, instead, are the results:
| Manager | Team | Pos | pWAR |
|---|---|---|---|
| Craig Counsell | Brewers | IF | -2.0 |
| Rocco Baldelli | Twins | OF | -3.1 |
| Gabe Kapler | Phillies | OF | -3.8 |
| Brad Ausmus | Angels | C | -4.0 |
| Alex Cora | Red Sox | IF | -4.1 |
| David Bell | Reds | IF | -4.6 |
| Dave Roberts | Dodgers | OF | -4.9 |
| Aaron Boone | Yankees | IF | -5.2 |
| Kevin Cash | Rays | C | -6.2 |
| Mickey Callaway | Mets | RHP | -6.3 |
| AJ Hinch | Astros | C | -7.1 |
| Andy Green | Padres | IF | -7.1 |
| Dave Martinez | Nationals | OF | -7.8 |
| Don Mattingly | Marlins | IF | -10.2 |
| Bud Black | Rockies | LHP | -10.4 |
| Scott Servais | Mariners | C | -10.4 |
| Torey Lovullo | D-backs | IF | -10.7 |
| Rich Renteria | White Sox | IF | -12.0 |
| Charlie Montoyo | Blue Jays | IF | -12.5 |
| Bob Melvin | Athletics | C | -14.8 |
| Bruce Bochy | Giants | C | -15.6 |
| Clint Hurdle | Pirates | OF | -15.8 |
| Terry Francona | Indians | IF | -16.2 |
| Ron Gardenhire | Tigers | IF | -17.0 |
| Ned Yost | Royals | C | -19.6 |
| Joe Maddon | Cubs | — | — |
| Mike Shildt | Cardinals | — | — |
| Brian Snitker | Braves | — | — |
| — | Orioles | — | — |
| — | Rangers | — | — |
While he never recorded more than three wins in any season, Brewers manager Craig Counsell also avoided the replacement-level threshold in every campaign but one as a player. Over his last three years in the majors (his age-38 to -40 seasons), he produced 3.0 WAR in 876 plate appearances, and that was just seven years ago. Between the relative strength of his final years and the recency of those last three seasons, he emerges as the top emergency player among managers. New Twins manager Rocco Baldelli comes in second by that measure, with Gabe Kapler close behind. In, say, a quarter-season’s worth of at-bats, all three would hypothetically remain within a win of replacement level.
Because they never reached the majors, Joe Maddon, Mike Shildt, and Brian Snitker receive no projection here. As a result, they probably count as the managers least qualified to serve as an emergency sub. (New Toronto manager Charlie Montoyo might belong to this group, as well: his projection is based on just five plate appearances in 1993. Still, they count!) Among managers who authored some sort of career, Ned Yost’s projection is worst, thanks largely to a -2.4 WAR campaign he produced in 1984.
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Aaron Boone might’ve hurt the Yankees less if he played all year at a -5.2 WAR clip rather than being the manager
I can probably name 5 or 6 games off the top of my head that he directly lost for them via his “creative” use of the bullpen. So yeah, I would (in all seriousness) have to agree.
So Craig Counsell is currently better than Chris Davis.
What about coaches? What if the Marlins had been able to give Bonds at bats? Didn’t he supposedly beat Stanton et al in a BP HR derby?
Bonds will be capable of a .400 OBP until he’s 106 years old
But only if he wants to.
Interesting article! I’d have to think that teams might re-think the selection of managers if this were the case, shifting an actual, qualified manager to a different role (likely bench coach) while having them retain authority and hiring a recently retired veteran still in good shape to nominally play the role of manager and play in an emergency. Could see this especially as a way for teams to squeeze an extra catcher or something in an emergency without using a true roster spot.
I think it’d actually make sense to have the bullpen catchers become eligible after a certain number of extra innings, or if the other rostered catchers are lost to injury. They’d be zeroes at bat, but they’re probably as familiar with the staff as the regular catchers, and it would save teams from doing the “emergency catcher” thing with some utility infielder.
Make it like the EBUGs in hockey
The idea and execution of the EBUG is really the coolest thing in hockey. Talk about adding a level of excitement and interest that baseball can’t compete with.
Counsell was my immediate guess, mainly because he looks as young as he did when he was still playing.
So true. Man has a baby-face.
I’ve been hoping Counsell would declare himself a player-manager for 4 seasons (especially when the Brewers were posting sub-.500 records).
There’s no way he’d have been worse 2B option than Sogord or Schoop this year.
So Craig Counsell and Rocco Baldelli are probably better than 2018 Chris Davis. Good to know.
Could we expand this to other coaches and staff? Mark Prior was featured prominently in every peak at the Dodgers bullpen. How fun would it be to see Prior come in as the emergency pitcher in the 18 inning game!
Only for his shoulder to spontaneously combust after 1 pitch…
Get Nolan Ryan in there!
At the plate, I would argue that Alex Cora, first, and then Aaron Boone likely represent the best options for their teams (I only examined the top 10 managers ranked by projected WAR from the post). I’m basing their entire value at the plate on their career HBP rates of 14.144 and 14.44 at bats per HBP because I think it is reasonable to assume that, as scientifically demonstrated by Coach on Cheers, the ability to draw a HBP is the least likely skill to decline with age.
Finally, a new path for Adam Dunn to get to 500 homers.
If he were still a manager, where would Mike Matheny be on this list?
Looks like he’d appear right between Callaway and Hinch.
Hmm, 6 to 7 games below replacement. Arguably better than his impact as a manager!
An executive who looks like he could still dress for a game is Brady Anderson. That dude is in his mid-50’s and looks in better playing shape than some players in their 20’s.
Do the managers get to keep using steroids?
Just saying he looks like he could still play is all.
The next logical consideration would be which league, NL or AL, would field a better roster in an “All-Star” Game of current managers.
Reminds me of an old, probably apocryphal story. A long-retired Ty Cobb was complaining to a sports writer about how crappy the pitching was at the time compared to the days when he was a player. Cobb goes on to say that if he faced pitchers like that, he’d be a .300 hitter. The sportswriter points out to Cobb that his career batting average was .360 — you mean that you’d have a worse batting average now? Cobb allegedly replied something like “well, you have to understand, I’m in my 60s now…”
So the myth goes on…
The story you’re talking about is the infamous Louis Prima incident, and there’s a quote (maybe real, maybe fudged) in the scene from the movie Cobb with Tommy Lee Jones.
I think I first saw that story in a collection of old Red Smith columns. I seem to recall he was quoting Lefty O’Doul talking about a superstar of yore, either Shoeless Joe Jackson or Ty Cobb.
I have seen a very similar quotation attributed to Sir Donald Bradman (Cricketer, Australia & New South Wales).
On a related note, would a managerial at bat or pitching appearance reset his HOF eligibility clock?
I believe so. I recall reading about this when Rafael Palmeiro announced his intention to play MLB again.
I would pay good money to see Joe Maddon manning the hot corner for a couple of innings.
Only with a glass of Pinot in one hand.
I think Gabe Kapler could do a bit better: not because he was such a great player, but I don’t think his decline would be age-appropriate: that guy is in f’ing good shape.
If Bonds got a hitting coach gig, I’d be willing to guess a 1 WAR projection or better for him.
I think Bonds could have been a productive pinch hitter, maybe part time DH, into his late 40’s if he was allowed to continue playing.
It’s very likely that Bonds is still better than at least 10% of the semi-regulars holding down MLB jobs.
If you had to choose between Bonds and Robbie Grossman, I’d have to think Bonds would be an easy pick. They have the same skill set but Bonds is better and might still hit some home runs too.
I would give $300 to see Rickey Henderson play a full game next year. I don’t even care what team.
If we can find a million people who agree we could make that happen. I’m in.
I’m in for $20. Is somebody calling Rickey?
One of my favorite baseball fun facts is that former catcher Elrod Hendricks served as backup catcher and bullpen coach for the 1978-1979 Orioles. In 1979, he only had one game played with one plate appearance. But in 1978 he appeared in 12 games and played C in 6 games. What happened when he was catching? No bullpen coach? I guess.
When did teams start hiring bullpen coaches?
Baldelli would probably post 0 WAR simply because would end up getting injured for the season just by putting his glove on.
I’m not surprised to see Scott Servais down in the middle of the pack, but I’ll still take undue pride in the fact that Mariners have a complete GM/manager emergency battery with Dipoto and Servais.