Who Needs a New Pitch the Most?
I love it when research underlines conventional wisdom. Like when Mitchel Lichtman found that, the more pitches a pitcher had in his arsenal, the better his chances the third time through the order. Even if it was only on the order of a few points of weighted on base average, it was a real finding that functions as a virtual nod towards all those scouts and pitching coaches who’ve wondered about a pitchers’ third and fourth options. You might not need a changeup specifically, but you need other pitches if just to put more doubt in the hitter’s mind.
Given that finding, I thought it might be fun to try and use it in reverse. Who were the worst pitchers in baseball last season when it came to the third time through the order? Who saw their talent drop off the most upon seeing a batter the third time?
Thanks to Jeff Zimmerman and our splits database, we can produce the following table. It features those pitchers who (a) recorded at least 10 starts last year and (b) experienced the biggest decline in strikeout rate the third time they saw a lineup. I’ve left in the FIP split, too, so we can see their overall results.
| Name | Split | K% | FIP | Split | K% | FIP | FIP Diff | K Diff |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Juan Nicasio | 1st Time | 36% | 3.19 | 3rd Time | 16% | 2.71 | 0.48 | 19.8% |
| Joe Ross | 1st Time | 28% | 1.66 | 3rd Time | 12% | 4.72 | -3.06 | 16.3% |
| Luis Perdomo | 1st Time | 23% | 3.26 | 3rd Time | 8% | 6.50 | -3.24 | 15.5% |
| Dylan Bundy | 1st Time | 29% | 3.61 | 3rd Time | 15% | 9.30 | -5.69 | 14.8% |
| John Lamb | 1st Time | 24% | 5.19 | 3rd Time | 10% | 5.65 | -0.45 | 13.7% |
| Matt Harvey | 1st Time | 27% | 2.47 | 3rd Time | 13% | 4.73 | -2.26 | 13.5% |
| Alex Wood | 1st Time | 31% | 2.46 | 3rd Time | 18% | 4.33 | -1.87 | 13.4% |
| Tim Adleman | 1st Time | 24% | 3.18 | 3rd Time | 11% | 6.51 | -3.33 | 13.0% |
| Adam Conley | 1st Time | 26% | 3.17 | 3rd Time | 13% | 6.31 | -3.15 | 12.4% |
| Jered Weaver | 1st Time | 20% | 4.22 | 3rd Time | 7% | 8.45 | -4.23 | 12.3% |
| Phil Hughes | 1st Time | 19% | 5.08 | 3rd Time | 7% | 6.45 | -1.37 | 12.2% |
| Jacob deGrom | 1st Time | 31% | 2.48 | 3rd Time | 19% | 4.36 | -1.88 | 12.0% |
| Mike Clevinger | 1st Time | 20% | 5.67 | 3rd Time | 9% | 10.90 | -5.22 | 11.5% |
| Ryan Vogelsong | 1st Time | 22% | 5.11 | 3rd Time | 10% | 4.84 | 0.27 | 11.3% |
| Kenta Maeda | 1st Time | 28% | 3.08 | 3rd Time | 17% | 4.34 | -1.26 | 11.0% |
| Jorge de la Rosa | 1st Time | 20% | 4.99 | 3rd Time | 9% | 6.60 | -1.61 | 10.9% |
| Aaron Sanchez | 1st Time | 27% | 2.26 | 3rd Time | 16% | 4.85 | -2.59 | 10.7% |
| Zack Greinke | 1st Time | 24% | 3.15 | 3rd Time | 14% | 5.20 | -2.05 | 10.0% |
| J.A. Happ | 1st Time | 24% | 3.53 | 3rd Time | 14% | 5.40 | -1.87 | 9.9% |
| Zach Eflin | 1st Time | 14% | 5.58 | 3rd Time | 4% | 6.67 | -1.09 | 9.9% |
Juan Nicasio aside, you’ll immediately notice that a lack of pitches isn’t the key problem for all of these players. Matt Harvey and John Lamb have plenty of pitches — so many, it’d be hard for them to add another without doubling up on one they already throw. What they did have last year was trouble with stamina. Between the first and sixth innings, Harvey and Lamb (and Dylan Bundy) lost over a tick on their fastballs. (Mike Clevinger lost almost two ticks.) That’s much more than the average, which is only around one-third of a mile per hour.
But that doesn’t mean there aren’t some obvious short-arsenal pitchers here. If you add up fastball usage with the first primary out pitch, Nicasio, Joe Ross, Aaron Sanchez, Luis Perdomo, and Zach Eflin were all over 88%, with Nicasio topping out at 97%. If you count cutters as fastballs, you can add Phil Hughes (at 95%!) and Ryan Vogelsong. All have been relievers recently or will be relievers this next year, so it’s not too surprising to see them grouped here.
At the nexus of both of these effects is Nationals righty Joe Ross. He lost about a full mile per hour between his first and sixth innings last season, and he also throws one of two pitches nine out of ten times. He went from a 28% strikeout rate and lights-out results the first time through the order last year to a 16% strikeout rate and pedestrian results the third time through. His difference in results was 22nd worst, behind some past or future relievers like Aaron Blair, Luis Severino, Alfredo Simon, and Jake Thompson.
We know very little about pitch types and injury, even if there’s a whiff of injury around throwing a slider as often as Ross does (38% career). Or as often as Tyson Ross does (36%). You’d think that throwing something with slightly different mechanics would help activate different muscles and ligaments and not stress the same ones over and over again, at least. And, considering their similarities and histories, injury is a key word for the Ross brothers.
But just as important is turning that lineup over that third time. To his credit, Joe has been throwing his change more than his brother ever did, and by results (whiffs at least), it’s been almost average. Brooks Baseball says that Joe only threw 11 curves last year, and maybe those were just slow sliders, but they did drop three inches more than his sliders, and do offer Ross some upside.
More changes or more curves, though, and Ross could even out those splits and become the pitcher his slider suggests he can be. I’m sure he’s never heard that piece of advice before.
With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.
Does anyone know if, beyond the base effect of having multiple pitches, there are pitch usage patterns that correlate with relative success 3+ times through? I often see pitchers and announcers cite that as a strategy; for example, a pitcher may hold one of his pitches back first time through and only through it later in the game, or he may dramatically reduce his fastball percentage as he goes. Both seem like they would work for the same logical reason that having more pitches would work.
Only “through” it, sure, that’s real special.
https://mglbaseball.com/2013/11/11/ttop-and-a-starting-pitchers-repetoire/
Lance Lynn needs something to to compliment his fastball.
2015,he had to have top five fastball pct. usage.
His heavy sink FB,will not play with St.L. very suspect D.
Word on the street (or Rotowire) was that Bundy was going to start throwing his cutter again now that he has been healthy
where can i find this info. Curious on my Twins pitchers and also in a QS fantasy league.
had to query but here you go. Minimum 10 starts:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sc4pT8cgXxfZDpuU5j4jRcvD0O6q6mMOS_gKYjovYzs/edit?usp=sharing
Thank you Eno.
What got me hooked on sabermetrics was when research undermines conventional wisdom… but I can agree that both are pretty cool!
Took me a sec to figure this passage out: “We know very little about pitch types and injury, even if there’s a whiff of injury around throwing a slider as often as Ross does (38% career). Or as often as Tyson Ross does (36%).”
I submit for consideration that Michael Pineda and Robbie Ray need a new pitch the most.
Namely, they need a second pitch.
Ray was 22nd worst in FIP difference. Pineda was pretty bad on both, losing 7% of strikeout rate and going from a 3.3 FIP guy to 4.8 third time through.
Not shocked at all to see Conley on here. There were a handful of times last year where he was absolutely dealing through 4+ innings and then fell apart in the 5th or 6th. I remember one in particular vs the Tigers where he must have had 8 or 9 K’s through 4 and then didn’t get out of the 5th. What say you Eno?
It makes sense to me since he is a funky delivery guy. The fastball probably really jumps at hitters the first time around since he is so long and lanky. And then he drops the change for the K…What does he need to develop to get over the hump? Keep working on the slider?