Who Will Get the Next Retirement Tour?
This is the fourth season in five in which we’ve experienced — or for some, endured — a retirement tour. First was Bobby Cox in 2010, and then Chipper Jones, Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter have all been feted by their peers around the game. That begs the question, who’s next?
Well, if our very own Dave Cameron has his say, nobody. But whether Dave likes it or not, it’ll happen again. These four certainly weren’t the first. Players like Mickey Mantle, Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken and Ozzie Smith — Hall of Famers all — were presented with going-away presents on their last go-round (shoutout to this great Reddit thread for the reminders). And, with all of these recent examples so fresh in our minds, and teams always looking for a good marketing gimmick, retirement tours aren’t going to go away permanently.
That doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll have one soon though. Back in 2011, Dave wrote a post on the active players most likely to reach the Hall of Fame. He did so again in January. If we look back at the first list, we can see that plenty of these elite players retired without much fanfare, such as Lance Berkman, Vladimir Guerrero, Scott Rolen and Andruw Jones. Jumping from team-to-team in your later years, or hanging on until you’re no longer a starter are two big reasons why many such players walk away quietly.
Some of the players from Cameron’s list do remain candidates for a retirement tour. Here is a list of 10 position players, ranked by career WAR, who could conceivably have such a tour. I didn’t include pitchers, because all pitchers are broken — some just don’t know it yet.
Alex Rodriguez: Hahahahaha, just kidding.
Albert Pujols: In nine of the first 10 seasons of his career, Pujols was worth at least 7 WAR. Since, it has been downhill. His time with the Angels hasn’t been pretty, though he is certainly been doing better this year than he did last year. Still, he’s signed for seven more seasons after this one. If he makes it to 2021, he’ll be 41. The good thing is that by then no one will be wrapped up in the fact that the Angels are his second team. The bad news is that by then people may have forgotten about him period. Here’s the list of 40-year-old or older first basemen to qualify for the batting title since baseball integrated in 1947. Note that first base was not even Willie Mays‘ primary position that season, and that Darrell Evans spent a significant amount of time at designated hitter.
Adrian Beltre: Now on his fourth team, Beltre figures to take names and kick @$$ on a fifth and sixth team, at least, before he’s ready to hang up his spikes. By that point, he’ll have so many teams that identifying with one of them would be seemingly very difficult.
Carlos Beltran: Not only may Beltran share Pujols’ problem with staying relevant on the field, he also has even more of a problem than does Beltre with team identification — the Yankees are his sixth team. Beltran sent no more than seven years with any one team, and he finished his tenure with his last consistent team in 2011. And outside of his Rookie of the Year Award back in 1999, Beltran has precious little hardware, and is far from a media darling or ballpark draw. He’s garnered more recognition recently, but with the game now chuck full of young, talented outfielders, Beltran has been quickly forgotten this season, even in the city that never sleeps.
Miguel Cabrera: A sure-fire Hall of Famer, but since he’s signed through 2023, it’s doubtful that he will be the next player to get a retirement tour.
Chase Utley: I went back and forth here. Utley has many of the markers you’d want to see for a guy who gets a retirement tour. He’s only played for one team. He’s been without a doubt the best second baseman of his generation, and he has a case for the best second baseman since Lou Whitaker as well — he ranks fifth on this list, but all four of the guys ahead of him have roughly a 3,000 plate appearance advantage (or more).
However, Utley is not much of an attention getter. He’s only been an All-Star in six of his 12 seasons, and he’s never finished higher than seventh in the National League Most Valuable Player Award voting. And, despite being one of the best fielders of the UZR generation, he has exactly zero Gold Gloves to his credit. He doesn’t have any postseason hardware either, though he has hit very well in the postseason.
He doesn’t have much interest in playing elsewhere, and if he stays with it through 2018, he’ll be 39. By that point, he should be a lock for the Hall of Fame, but his lack of traditional markers may betray him as they betrayed Whitaker and Bobby Grich. Hopefully, people will have come around on Utley by that point, and he’ll be given the chance for a retirement tour if he wants one, but my bet is that he doesn’t get one.
Ichiro Suzuki: A no-doubt Hall of Famer, I’m on the fence about Ichiro here. On the one hand, he’s good enough, and he’s been popular enough, that he deserves a retirement tour even if he’s no longer an impact player — much in the same way Jeter is this season. But Jeter at least has been a starter. Ichiro began the season as a backup, and the Yankees were supposedly willing to eat the majority of his salary to send him to the Astros, but the Astros still didn’t want him. I’d put the odds at 50/50 that Ichiro quietly retires this offseason. The other scenario I could envision is him re-signing with the Mariners for one last season, the way they tried to do with Ken Griffey Jr., but when you combine the memory of that experience with the fact that the Mariners are supposed to be contenders now, and it seems like an unlikely scenario.
David Wright: Here, we have our first likely candidate for the next retirement tour. Wright already ranks 28th all-time for WAR among third basemen. By the end of the season, he should rank no worse than 26th. Assuming roughly a 2 WAR average for the final six seasons of his contract, he should rank safely in the top-15 all-time. And that’s being conservative. You’ll notice that players in the top 15 currently such as Paul Molitor, Edgar Martinez and Alex Rodriguez spent the majority of their careers elsewhere.
If there’s a sticky wicket, it’s that Wright — like Utley — doesn’t have a ton of hardware. But he does have some — two Gold Gloves, for example. He also has a top-five MVP finish on his resume, and history will show that he deserved better in 2007. Yes, the Mets collapsed, but it wasn’t Wright’s fault — he hit .394/.516/.657 in August and .352/.432/.602 in September. Wright also has managed a level of celebrity that Utley hasn’t. One other bugaboo could be Wright’s injury history. The Virginia native has had back, shoulder, knee and thigh problems during his 11-year career, and as he ages those problems may become more severe and prevent him from going out on his own terms. Still, combine his greatness with his level of fame and he lines up as a prime candidate for a retirement tour.
Joe Mauer: Mauer is seemingly a one-team guy. He’s a hometown guy, and why wouldn’t he just stay in Minnesota, right? But his contract only has four more years after this one, and if he’s productive through his age-35 season, he may find himself in high demand. Of course, the question remains as to whether or not he will be. Health has already forced him off of catcher, but his transition to first base seems to be clouded by injury issues. The Twins and their fans certainly don’t want to watch four more years of this kind of play from Mauer, and Mauer probably doesn’t want to endure it either. So while he could also be in high demand, he could also be done at 35.
That doesn’t bode well for him if he is, because he definitely needs a few more productive seasons to be in the Hall of Fame conversation. Right now, he’s basically in a dead heat with Jorge Posada, and no rational person would conclude that Posada is a Hall of Famer. Mike Piazza, who you would think shouldn’t have much trouble, is having trouble, and he’s got nearly 20 WAR on Mauer. And Piazza never moved permanently to first base. So, Mauer has some work to do. Right now, he’s in Todd Helton territory.
David Ortiz: Will the last on this list be first? Ortiz has a rabid following in Boston, and though he also played for the Twins, that seems like ancient history at this juncture. Ortiz isn’t necessarily a Hall of Fame player, but he has a great deal of fame, and when you combine the murky valuation of DHs for the Hall with his postseason heroics, there will be enough of a gray area that Ortiz’s case will be heavily debated for years to come. In other words, he could get over with a retirement tour if he wanted to. He is near the end of his rope now, so aside from Ichiro, he figures to head on out that door before the others discussed here.
If Ortiz wanted to, he could probably line up 2016 as his year of adulation from the baseball public. When I was thinking about this post, that is exactly how I had it pegged. But there’s one issue — Ortiz is always looking for his next contract. His incessant chatter for new contracts over the years have become par for the course. Assuming he stays in Boston, his next contract with the Red Sox will be his seventh (counting arbitration), and each affair is generally loud and drawn out. As this article notes, Ortiz went public about this upcoming offseason back in spring training. This leads some, like the Boston Globe’s Chad Finn to note, that Ortiz won’t have the foresight to plan things out:
@Swydan He won't. He won't announce his retirement ahead of time. He'll go out with a bad year. Game will decide for him.
— Chad Finn (@GlobeChadFinn) July 16, 2014
There’s something to that notion. Ortiz hit phenomenally well in 2012, and pretty damn well last season too, but this season he has fallen down a notch. If his 123 wRC+ holds, it will be his second-worst mark during his tenure with the Red Sox. That won’t stop him from getting his next contract with the team, but it’ll be a short contract — one year, two years tops. If Ortiz’s hitting continues to decline, he may not have time to plan out a retirement tour.
Sometimes retirement tours can seem tiresome, and it almost certainly feels like that to some, now that we’re on our fourth in five seasons. They also can produce happy moments, like when Rodriguez forced Ripken to play shortstop for an inning during the 2001 All-Star Game. But as common as they have seemingly become these past few years, we shouldn’t get used to them just yet. Ortiz and Wright figure to be the two most likely candidates, with Ichiro looming as a long shot, in the next five to 10 years. My guess is that the next one will be Wright, in 2021. That’s a ways off.
Paul Swydan used to be the managing editor of The Hardball Times, a writer and editor for FanGraphs and a writer for Boston.com and The Boston Globe. Now, he owns The Silver Unicorn Bookstore, an independent bookstore in Acton, Mass. Follow him on Twitter @Swydan. Follow the store @SilUnicornActon.
Won’t Ortiz’s PED history be a factor as well?
*alleged PED history
It’s not alleged, it’s written in stone. Fans just choose to ignore it because he’s big, likeable, and the blood on Schilling’s red sock.
The thing is, he really isnt even likeable, more often than not he is a hothead with attitude problems, the media just seems to give him a pass.
The same reasons he could pull off a retirement tour.
“It’s not alleged, it’s written in stone.”
Citation Needed.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/08/mlbpa_statement.html
Per the official statement from the MLBPA, there are two chief facts that throw the allegations into doubt:
1. Both recreational drugs (Including marijuana) and legal supplements were known to trigger positives on the particular test used.
2. There were more names on the list Ortiz showed up on that players who actually tested positive for anything, meaning there were names on there that didn’t actually test positive for any substances.
Yet the story persists, despite the only “evidence” being what amounts to conjecture, conjecture that is unable to be substantiated or disproved because the documents are court sealed. Not even Ortiz himself has access to the information.
Maybe he did do steroids. It’s possible and I won’t deny that, but to claim that it is set in stone is to be entirely ignorant of what few actual reported facts there are on the matter.
@Josh – He comes across as extremely likable, and I say that even as a die-hard Cardinals fan.
Ortiz can go from city to city receiving a giant eraser from each team’s official scorer.
If Edgar Martinez cant make it to the HOF, then one of the biggest phonies in baseball history has no chance to even sniff it.
That’s assuming any type of logical methodology for HOF voters, which we have seen time and time again is more the exception than the rule. By this point, Ortiz has lapped Martinez in the traditional counting stats, maintained a similar OPS, and has the whole postseason mythology and 3 rings to his credit.
Martinez got 36.2 percent on his first ballot, and if Ortiz finishes his career with 1400 R, 520 HR, and 1700 RBI with a .900 OPS (all realistic) plus his postseason resume, it’s not a stretch to think he’ll receive at least that much support.
I think it’s safe to say that anyone who calls Ortiz “one of the biggest phonies in baseball history” is massively biased and his/her opinion is pretty worthless. If you care to actually make an argument there, please do, but otherwise stay reasonable. Thanks.
How easily you forget that Ortiz blasphemed Boston only to use the Marathon Bombing situation as a means to elevate his popularity. Or maybe you’d forgotten that Ortiz has continuously lied and dismissed discussion regarding his history of using PEDs. Perhaps you’re just one of those BoSox fans that ejaculates every time Big Papi takes more than two minutes to round the bases after one of his notable dingers.
None of these guys. Maybe Mauer
Jimmy Rollins? If Barry Larkin is in the Hall, J-Roll is well on his way.
Adam Dunn? If Babe Ruth is in the hall, Adam Dunn is right there knocking on the door.
Jim Johnson? If Rollie Fingers is in the hall, get ready for Johnson.
Rollins WAR = 47
Larkin WAR = 67
Yeah.
In 100 less games. Rollins 1 year over 5 WAR. Larkin 8 years over 5. Not exactly comparable players.
Rollins lines up behind Alan Trammell.
Ichiro covers the “popular” req, along with the “Yankee” req..so I’ll pick him.
But Ichiro is never going to retire
He’ll pitch for ten more years after this season.
Yadier Molina?
He’s kind of the Ozzie of catchers, except that catching doesn’t go into highlight reel the way other positions can. But still viewed as almost mythically great behind the plate.
All his postseason exposure can’t hurt either.
If he continues the way he has been, I could see it. But he’s the same age as Mauer and 13 WAR behind. Didn’t feel it merited inclusion at this time.
I was thinking less about HOF-potential and more about iconicity, to be honest with you. I’d almost put Torii Hunter in that same category, as Josh mentions below.
Popularity factors in here, too. As good as Molina is, I’m not sure the average fan even knows who he is.
He’s started the all star game three times. I’m pretty sure if you don’t know who Molina is, you aren’t much of a fan of baseball.
Does the production of a player’s last seasons count for anything? Ichiro, for instance, is terrible at baseball now. I would think that would effect how he is seen by his peers and fans. Jeter has remained *relatively* productive this year.
We’re measuring Ichiro’s 92 OPS+ vs Jeter’s 81 OPS+ how? Jeter’s massive defensive edge?
Well, UZR does have them as identical defensively so far in 2014, with Jeter playing SS and Ichiro playing a corner outfield spot, and if there’s anything I’ve learned from talking to idiots in the comments section here, a half season of UZR is a completely reliable account of “what actually happened.”
Also, the gap in wRC+, which, unlike OPS+, does tell us how productive someone has been offensively, is only 5 points.
Further, in the 50 games since he was stopped being platooned and became a regular on May 20th, Ichiro has put up a .265/.323/.293 line, good for a 70 wRC+. In the last 30 games, Ichiro has put up a 66 wRC+, to Jeter’s 98.
Oh, and he’s been worth 0.1 WAR to Jeter’s 0.6 so far this season.
So, yeah, if you look at the numbers in any meaningful way, Jeter’s been a lot better than Ichiro this season.
Saying half a win is “a lot better” is a bit of a stretch.
He’s young, but Buster Posey seems possible in ten years or so.
I don’t see it.
It seems that pitchers are exempt, so I will say Eric Chavez.
Ok
Billy Butler?
Ryan Howard.
Which pitcher has hit the most batters over the past decade? AJ Burnett? Okay, him.
Me, in 2078.
Miguel Cabrera if he can get a couple more DUIs.
Masahiro Tanaka if he can ever become more than a #3 starter.
Why didn’t I get one?
I’m still waiting on the Milton Bradley retirement tour. Would make for some excellent TV
Looking at the guys who have received the farewell tour treatment, I have determined that they all possess the following traits:
1.) Slam-dunk or should-be-slam-dunk HoF’er. (Chipper is the only one here that I have a bit of hesitation thinking he’s going to coast in on the first ballot.)
2.) Spent entire 90%+ of career with one team.
3.) Not known as a jerk, at least with the general baseball public. Each of these guys had their warts, but there were few rival fans who had deep-seeded hatred of the player, unless it was from respect or thinking they were overrated.
As I’m scanning down the list with that criteria in mind, I’m thinking the next best chance is Mike Trout if he does not screw up #2 or #3. I can see the argument for Molina, but he’s likely going to be iffy on #1, and he probably fails #3 for many rival fans. Utley is close, but fails #1 I think–if that’s all the closer he’s ever come to winning an MVP, then he’s likely not going in first-ballot.
Hey, let’s not go ahead and jinx Trouty on number #1 here
Postseason success (or at least exposure) seems to play a part. I think Trout will get that over the next 15-20 years and be a shooin for a farewell tour.
And with the candidates that have been mentioned here, he might even be the NEXT farewell tour. If I had to rank the best bets it would look like this:
1. Wright – if he has a Beltre-like run in his 30’s and plays well in the post-season for the Mets, he’ll get close enough to Chipper in HOFness to get the farewell tour, given his high marks on the other two points
2. Cabrera – if he’s so banged-up in 5-6 years that he decides to retire early, that puts him ahead in terms of timing. But even if he plays until 2023, that might still be the next MLB farewell tour.
3. Felix – I don’t know if starting pitchers have ever gotten farewell tours, but a decade from now he might be the right guy
4. Pujols – On the outside chance that his hitting rebounds the way Ortiz’s did after looking crappy in his early 30’s, Pujols’ career milestones might help folks remember him.
5. Kershaw – Same as Felix, on a 3-4 year later timetable
6. Chapman – He is to Kimbrel what Ryan was to Seaver. In other words, if he can push crazy career numbers to go along with the heat, he’ll be an icon with HOF cred
7. Y Molina
8. Trout
9. Ichiro. If he wants a farewell tour, he’d get it, but I agree his career looks to end like Junior’s did.
10. LaTroy Hawkins. Simply because there’s an MLB-wide LaTroy Hawkins Fan Club. If he ever publicly states that “XXXX will be my last year”, there’s a sliver of a chance that he gets one. Heck, he probably has former teammates on the roster or coaching staff of every team by this point, so if the Fan Club asks, they just may receive.
I’d pay for the LaTroy Hawkins farewell tour.
Torii Hunter isnt a HOFer but he is likeable enough to pull it off, especially if he goes away after a 1 year deal with the Twins.
If Omar Vizquel didn’t get the tour, Hunter won’t get the tour.
kind of different circumstances, Torii Hunter is still a full time and reasonably productive player.
Maybe if Vizquel had been a better hitter he would have.
If Vizquel had finished his career with Cleveland, he would’ve got that tour.
Something that is understated here is how all the recent farewell tours have been for guys who finished their career the same place where they played it.
I think Andrew McCutchen deserves some mention. This list the names is pretty uninspiring. You need an 80 personality + HOF career + some defining moments to get a farewell tour. McCutchen has an “it” factor that maybe only Ortiz and Wright can match.
He still has work to do on the HOF and defining moments, but he is young and capable, and the Pirates might actually be good for a while with their young core… if a Wright or Ortiz farewell never materializes we might have to wait for someone like McCutchen.
Yes, but I don’t see McCutchen retiring in the next 10 years, and that takes us to 2024 — at least. By that point, I think someone else will have had a retirement tour.
Wright has an “it” factor that can only be matched by Ortiz and McCutchen?
Ha. Haha. Ha. Hahaha. Ha.
Thank you leeroy.
Yeah, I really don’t see Wright as having much of an “it” factor. He’s more of a Chipper type, and, well, http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-dumbfounded-as-to-why-littleleaguers-favori,2716/
Might have been reaching with Wright, but had to with a list so weak. He has the whole captain America thing going. He was huge about 6 years ago, which the ‘leeroy says’ commenter seems to have forgotten or may not be old enough to remember. He’s kinda faded out of the spotlight recently with the Mets being so mediocre.
You’re forgetting the part where McCutchen signs somewhere else when his team friendly contract is over. Will he give the cheapskates in charge of the Pirates another discount? Yinzers can hope I guess
Wright hasn’t faded out of the spotlight in any way. The guy was voted the “Face of MLB” by the fans this offseason. I’d say people still like him.
Adrian Beltre? Let’s say he re-signs with Texas or Boston and plays long/well enough to pass Chipper in WAR. He’s been on 4 teams, but he seems universally well-liked.
I’m not saying he doesn’t fit the bill. I just can’t picture him EVER retiring.
It will be a sad, sad day for baseball.
I hope his tour is every player in the game trying to touch his head once.
Even if he passed Chipper in WAR, it would have taken far more games. He also derives a lot more value from defense with just isn’t going to get noticed by the average fan. As far as offense Chipper is just too far ahead to make this comparison legitimate (in terms of popularity/notoriety on the national stage. To put that difference into perspective, consider that Beltre has just 1 season in his career thus far where his wRC+ topped Chipper’s career 141 mark.
Even taking all of that into account, I have some doubts that Chipper would have received a farewell tour if he had left the Braves. A big part of the respect Chipper got was that he actually sacrificed significant money to stick with the team he started with. Take that away and I think you only see a handful of teams (Braves and Mets obviously) that go out of their way to acknowledge him. Remember Chipper initially was going to need to be voted into the final All Star spot by the fans because he didn’t get the same sort of love in voting that Jeter did.
Judging by the last four to get one, I’d say either a Brave or a Yankee. Maybe Kimbrel?
Ichiro or Ortiz. They are the closest to retirement of those listed and are also both more or less universally adored.
Do most non-Red Sox fans “adore” Ortiz? I like the guy, despite being a Yankees fan, since I’ve lived in Boston for years, but he really doesn’t seem to have that Jeter/Ripken/Chipper universal love thing.
universal love? no
BIG love? yes
Maybe it’s because I’m a Red Sox fan, but the only people who “adore” Jeter are Yankees fans. The rest of us say “he’s a decent guy, a little overrated now, but otherwise…”.
If they think jeter is overrated then I can’t wait to hear what they call roidtiz
Paul, it’s a terrific article but I do take issue with this sentence:
Mike Piazza, who you would think shouldn’t have much trouble, is having trouble, and he’s got nearly 20 WAR on Mauer.
This ignores the fact that the reason Piazza is having trouble getting into the HOF is not because of stats but because he is a suspected PED user. Put another way, without knowing that the writers are penalizing Piazza for this suspected PED use, a reader of this sentence would think that even if Mauer gets to Piazza-type numbers, Mauer might have a tough time gaining acceptance to the HOF, which I definitely do not think is the case. If Mauer attains Piazza-type numbers and continues – as now – to have zero link to PED, Mauer is likely a first ballot HOFer.
Addressing this issue from the Piazza angle, if Piazza did not have the steroid cloud hanging over his head, he would have been elected in his first year of eligibility.
Ortiz is already signed until 2017. I think they intended it to be his last contract, and I doubt he’ll be a good enough hitter at 42 to be clamoring for another year.
2016 and 2017 are .
Whoops, cut off.
2016 and 2017 are club options.
it’s a shame. ARod would be the perfect candidate for something like this….
Honestly, people who get this type of treatment are those who transcend baseball… it’s not just about what you do on the field, but how well you’re liked by the fan/media. think of who get on the commercials. who is known beyond baseball fans and their own home cities?
arod could’ve been that guy. I think from the rest of the list, I’d take Ortiz if he were to announce his retirement…but i think the beantown repoters are right. the game will decide for him.
I’m not sure how A-rod “could’ve been that guy.” Steroids aside, he has been hated since his Ranger days when players repeatedly accused him of relaying his pitchers’ signs to the opposing batter and then expecting the same in return.
A-Rod’s always wanted to be that guy too much to actually be that guy. It’s why people don’t like him.
And if he was ever self-aware enough to realize this and just try to chill out, those thoughts would evaporate every day the moment he observed Jeter getting his daily downpour of love.
It almost makes the manner in which he’s exiting the game seem inevitable.
I would love watching an A-Rod retirement tour.
Because it would be so funny seeing everyone shouting and throwing stuff at him?
I think Manny Ramirez should sign a one year contract with the Yankees and he and Arod can go out as a team.
Paul Konerko is on tour. No one cares though. 🙁
A-Rod will get one! only to watch him get booed everywhere in his final season…hehehe
Angel Hernandez. Please. Start it tomorrow.
These weird “I Love Me” retirement tours are becoming standard. Before long people will get the sense that it is a long-standing tradition and they will be held for most retirees. Instead of wondering which players will have an I Love Me tour, we will wonder which players will forego them.
My guess is that most players with careers of a decade or more will tend to announce their retirements a year in advance, and the PR machines will get started on their tours.
Of course Big Papi will have one. Giambi, Suzuki, Nathan, Dickey, Halladay… Raul Ibanez? Why not? Eventually Big Time Timmy Jim, Wright, McCutchen and anybody else who hangs around long enough.
If you are a player with any fan base, why wouldn’t you pursue one of these? And if you are a team with a retiring elder-statesman type player, why wouldn’t you put your PR people on it? Taste and self-respect be damned.
As long as the Royals, Phillies, and Mariners keep fighting over the privilege of having Ibanez retire in their uniform, he’ll never even be allowed to retire.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DICKEY? maybe because he’s the only real knuckleballer left but the only good year of his career was with us!
Guerrero didn’t go around saying, “Hey, look at me, aren’t I great,” for two reasons: he’s not that self-aggrandizing and he wanted to play more but his knees gave out. Not everyone wants to go out like clown, committing 50 errors and batting .240.
You know, the players don’t ask for a tour. They just announce they’re retiring. The idea that it’s a selfish and arrogant act is just stupid. What are they supposed to do, refuse the gifts?
Yes. Do you think Jeter wants a damn rocking chair? Just because you want to give somebody something doesn’t mean they want it
Yeah, that would be a great idea. Just smash the rocking chair and flash the “Four Horsemen” sign, Arn Anderson style.
I would agree. Given how common it is to move, there are several “diehard” fans of every team in different cities. I am not sure why organizations giving money to charity or some cool retirement gifts like Rivera’s rocking chair made of broken bats is problematic. Sure, I love being angry and complaining as much as the next guy, but you know…
If Jose Bautista can somehow manage to hit like he has this season through 2019, he could really sneak into this, particularly if the Blue Jays find themselves going deep into the playoffs a couple times. It’s not likely, but having the DH option is beneficial. Only being good with one team might count as a bonus, much like Ortiz with the Red Sox.
Alex Gordon is also somewhat sneaky old, has been playing consistently well for some time now, and may find himself in that early 2020s grouping. If they ever win anything, the single team factor and success would be helpful to his case.
Of course, these are both pretty heavy longshots.
-C
Bautista’s rags-to-riches path to stardom has made him a great story, and he has sustained his success and comes across as an ok guy. Kind of like Kurt Warner was in the NFL. I think Bautista has a real chance.
Gordon not so much, simply because a lot of his value is tied to his defense as a left fielder. He’d probably need the Royals to thrive AND his Triple Crown stats to jump to a new level, so he’s a real long shot.
Nobody gives a shit about Ichiro outside of Seattle. And I say this as someone who thinks he’s an easy first ballot hall of fame guy. He has only been a part of a couple of playoff teams, and has no WS championships.
Actually, up to a few years ago I’d say your comment is dead wrong. Ichiro was a rock star, a super cool version of Gwynn (who of course got the farewell tour). So popularity wouldn’t have been an issue.
But ironically, part of Ichiro’s “cool” factor has been his inaccessibility. Even aside from the language barrier, he doesn’t put himself out there for public consumption as much as other big stars.
As I think about it, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Ichiro sign on for a final year in Japan and get a farewell tour there. After seeing how Junior’s career shut down, he might decide to leave the game on a happy note back home.
I’m in South Carolina and before I was even paying attention to baseball I loved Ichiro.
Nevada boy and Ichiro has been my favorite player for a while. Japan farewell tour seems likely.
Most of the players mentioned could have a farewell tour, but I think it depends on how good the PR machine is for the players team. I could see it being David Ortiz because ESPN would back it without question, he’s the face of a successful and storied franchise, Red Sox fans are everywhere which makes it easier to push, he’s the last remaining player from the ’04 team that broke “the curse”, and he’s easy to market.
Its a possibility for Ichiro but it would only work with the Mariners if they’re even willing to put any energy in it. I doubt they would like they did with Griffey.
If Robbie Cano would have stayed in New York, he would have been a great candidate.
Also, if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.
I know that pitchers weren’t included and this is far off but I really see King Felix as a candidate for a farewell tour, providing he continues to preform. He will end up playing in Seattle for his whole career and has been one of the best and most durable pitchers in baseball since he came in. Of course being a pitcher any of this can change at any time see Verlander, Justin.
I was thinking that Verlander and Felix would be the next ones as well. I do think having a ring is pretty important though.
Please, please, please, no more farewell tours. I almost threw up with the Rivera one. But the Derek Jeter Memorial All Star Game made me lose my lunch, and we have 2 plus months to go.
Agreed. A lot of love for two players who won exactly 1 championship in their last 13/14 years. Overrated by east coast media.
They accomplish more in one day than you will in your entire life.
Yes because baseball is so important. :/
You might want to see a doctor if an optional television viewing is causing you to throw up. I’m just not sure if you should see a body or head doctor.
Chipper didn’t announce his retirement in time for a real farewell tour, and you can’t really call Bobby Cox’s exit a tour.
Chipper announced his retirement just before the start of his last season, just like Jeter. Unlike Jeter, he was actually pretty good his last year. Chipper’s retirement seemed to be because he knew his body was breaking down and he hurt more and more every day. Jeter, I believe, realizes that the Yankees are unlikely to let him continue to play regularly after this year, so he can either be a nobody for them (or another team) or retire having played and started at short stop for almost 20 years as a Yankee.
If for some reason Jeter had been traded 10 years ago, I’m not so sure he retires. Most guys basically have to be forced to retire.
Why not me? I swear i didn’t take steroids recetly. I’ll swear to it on live radio if you want. Where is my good buddy Ryan Braun to help me on this one?
This is one of the best Fangraphs articles ever! Just because of the A-Rod line!
Pedroia
If Roy Halladay were playing, he would deserve a retirement tour,
but he is now enjoying his new SNS life with his followers and fans.
Any chance I could get a link to the 2011 Dave article? I can’t find it.
I could see Dustin Pedroia get one. He might not have the flashiest numbers and he would have to improve on his recent output, but unlike the controversial David Ortiz he is really well liked around the league and maybe more important: well respected (see the remarks of Mariano, Showalter et all…)
ha, you beat me to it. I think Pedroia has similarities to Jeter in that a) they play for a rabid and broad fan base; b) they’ve had on field success; and c) the press seem to love both players perhaps beyond what their numbers would indicate.
Can’t believe it took this long for the commenter list (including myself) to come up with Pedroia.
I mean, the only way this guy should ever fall under the radar is playing basketball against the Yankees pitching staff.
Although I could also see him hitting that final career nosedive and retiring mid-season like Mike Schmidt because he can’t bear being a replacement-level player. I’m beginning to think that having a brutal late-career injury (like Rivera and Jeter had) increases the odds of these guys formally saying “one more year”. Without which, you really can’t get that farewell tour.
I played 10 years, not 11. And yeah, I better get a farewell tour.
I could see Pedroia if he plays well enough and stays in Boston.
He has a very similar profile (both on and off the field) to Jeter’s, so as long as he plays long enough to merit a HOF discussion I’d say you’re right. Bit more of a ways to go with him than the players on here, though.
Verlander if he can put together a couple more seasons? Also, it’s a little farther out, but if Wainwright keeps things going with the Cards he looks like a good candidate. Maybe not next, but in the rankings at least.
Regarding Mauer, I did a double-take when I saw “he’s basically in a dead heat with Jorge Posada”. Yes, his WAR (a COUNTING metric) is about even with Posada’s, but Posada played much, much longer than Mauer has at this point.
Posada has 44.9 WAR in 1829 games – that’s 3.68 per 150 games. Mauer has 44.4 WAR in 1254 games, good for 5.31 per 150 games! As Tyrion Lannister once said, “see the difference?” Mauer also has a major chip on his resume: as many batting titles as all others won in total by catchers in MLB history, and the only catcher batting titles since WWII. How quickly we forget, but Joe Mauer has been a special player. If he stopped playing tomorrow he would still make the HOF.
As for Ortiz, I think any discussion of a potential retirement tour is incomplete if it doesn’t bring up his popularity among players. The recent “tourees” were all very respected by players, and Ortiz is both generally popular (with his larger-than-life gregariousness) and perhaps the top ambassador for the Hispanic contingent in the game. While fans are both heavily biased and generally ignorant enough to be swayed by rabid media personalities (and nothing brings in readers and callers like a steroid debate), players are much steadier.