Why Did the Dodgers Trade A.J. Ellis?

Last night, the Dodgers and Phillies made a deal that, on the surface, is your typical minor August move of minor role players. The Dodgers landed Carlos Ruiz, a 37 year old catcher, in exchange for A.J. Ellis, a 35 year old catcher, and a prospect of dubious quality. The impetus for the trade seems pretty clear; Ruiz can still hit lefties a bit, and so he’s a better fit as Yasmani Grandal’s platoon partner in the postseason. Ellis isn’t much at the plate these days, so by adding Ruiz, the team has slightly upgraded their offense against left-handed pitching.

But the trade was a big deal because, as was immediately apparent given the reaction to the news of the deal, A.J. Ellis was beloved by his teammates, and especially, by the team’s ace.

Ellis and Kershaw are obviously quite close, but other members of the team also showed their support for Ellis, and made it clear they will miss him.

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By trading away a beloved part of the clubhouse for a minor bench upgrade, the media has been handed a very simple narrative: nerd-run team doesn’t value chemistry, tears apart clubhouse in the process. The fact that the Dodgers were one out away from being no-hit on the night Ellis got traded didn’t do anything to slow that story down. But of course the Dodgers do care at least a little bit about chemistry, or Yasiel Puig wouldn’t be hanging out in Triple-A right now. So, six days away from roster expansion, when Ellis could have kept hanging around the team even after they acquired Ruiz, why did the Dodgers trade A.J. Ellis?

After all, it’s not like the Phillies really had a significant need for a 35 year old catcher who will be a free agent in five weeks. While Phillies GM Matt Klentak said that they had to have Ellis in return, it’s difficult for me to buy that the two teams couldn’t have found another package for Ruiz that would have worked for Philadelphia if Andrew Friedman had just said that Ellis was off the table for clubhouse reasons. That seems like a position other teams would understand, and the Dodgers could have even engineered a three team deal to get some other veteran part-time catcher if the Phillies really didn’t want to be without a Ruiz replacement in the deal.

Acquiring Ruiz without including Ellis in the deal would have been much less controversial, after all. No one seems particularly offended at the idea of a contender upgrading a role player spot, but it’s the removal of Ellis from the clubhouse that is raising questions about the deal. So couldn’t they have made the deal while still keeping Ellis around, even if he didn’t really play much? You make up an injury to get him on the 15 day DL until the rosters expand, but let him “rehab” with the team so he’s still around, then activate him in a couple of weeks with no harm done. Seems easy enough.

If this were another franchise, I’d think that maybe Ellis was included as a salary offset, but the Dodgers are willing to throw real money at any possible area they think could make their team even slightly better, so it seems hard to believe that the team couldn’t stomach paying Ellis another $800,000 over the rest of the season. That’s chump change to LA, and doesn’t really seem to make sense as a reason to create this easy story for everyone to tell about your downfall if the team fails to make a deep postseason run again. The negative P.R. associated with the stories that will be written about the cold-hearted executives trading a lifelong Dodger almost certainly do more than $800,000 worth of public relations could make up for anyway.

But keeping Ellis around would come with a non-monetary cost, and it’s the only one I can think of that would explain why the Dodgers put him in the Ruiz deal; it might end up costing them a player they want to keep beyond this year.

By swapping Ellis and Ruiz, the team didn’t have to make any changes to their 40-man roster; if they had acquired Ruiz without sending Ellis back, they’d have been at 41 players on the 40-man, and would have been forced to make a move to clear a spot. Actually clearing that spot wouldn’t be all that hard, as they could just DFA a guy like Casey Fien, who would likely clear waivers, but by picking the lowest hanging fruit on the 40-man DFA tree, the team could put themselves in a tough position in a few weeks.

Over the next month, the team has four players who could potentially come off the 60-day disabled list, and require moves to get them back on the 40-man as well. Clayton Kershaw is getting closer to a potential return, and obviously, they’ll want to have a spot for him. Andre Ethier just started his rehab assignment, and could be back in a couple of weeks. Trayce Thompson’s situation remains a little unclear, but it’s possible he could return in September if his back recovers. And finally, Alex Wood is throwing off flat ground, and it’s also possible he makes it back by the end of the season to strengthen the team’s relief corps.

It’s unlikely that all four of those guys make it back, but two or three probably will, and the team will have to make room for them on the 40-man before they can be activated. And if you’re keeping Ellis around essentially just because everyone else likes him, that’s one fewer 40-man roster spot the team would have when it comes time to make room for some of the returning 60-day disabled list guys.

So, had they made up an injury to Ellis to stash him until rosters expanded, they might have still been in a situation where he’d be a potential DFA candidate in a few weeks anyway. Would it have gone over better to simply demote Ellis to third-string catcher, then dump him in mid-September, than trading him to a place that will play him in advance of free agency? I’m not so sure. While Ellis certainly seemed like he would have preferred to stick around for the playoff run, if the Dodgers thought they were going to have to DFA him in a few weeks anyway, perhaps it was better for the clubhouse to get it over with now and give everyone in the locker room a month to get over it before the playoffs start, rather than having it be a fresh wound when October rolls around.

Of all the possible explanations for including Ellis in the deal, that’s the only one I can see that rings true enough to explain the team’s motivation. The idea that the team didn’t want to have to deal with Kershaw throwing to Ellis doesn’t really work, given that we’d be talking about something like 10 at-bats in September if Kershaw does make it back, and if the team didn’t want Kershaw forcing them to carry Ellis as his personal catcher in October, they could have just let him off the postseason roster; there would be a lot less of an outcry about not carrying a guy hitting .190 on your playoff roster, after all.

In theory, acquiring Ruiz and keeping Ellis would have been the best of both worlds, giving them a better right-handed hitting backup catcher but still allowing the team to keep Ellis around for clubhouse reasons. But with a 40-man roster crunch coming when the team’s army of injured players finish their rehab assignments, perhaps that just wasn’t going to be possible.

Whether the cost of moving Ellis will outweigh the addition of Ruiz’s bat remains to be seen, and perhaps this is just too much hand wringing over when the team had to DFA Casey Fien or Charlie Culberson. But given the Dodgers love of depth, this is the best explanation I can come up with; Ellis wouldn’t have lasted on the 40-man through September anyway, so make a clean break now and give the guys in the locker room a month to recover before the postseason starts.





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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JimMember since 2016
9 years ago

Thank you, Dave. I’ve been trying to figure this one out.

alang3131982Member since 2016
9 years ago

Didnt this just speed up the inevitable? By trading Ellis, they dont have to make excuses for leaving him off the playoff roster. What if he gets some timely hits down the stretch or Kershaw really clamours for Ellis on the postseason roster? That might be an even bigger headcahe at the worst time?

I dunno — just seems odd…

The FoilsMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  alang3131982

Maybe Dave Cameron should write an article explaining his take on the trade to answer these questions

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  The Foils

you don’t get choice second comment position by reading the article

alang3131982Member since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Bip

I did read the article. he didnt address this fact. I was asking if this was something worth taking into consideration. Yeesh….relax bro

Bryzzobrist
9 years ago
Reply to  alang3131982

Yo, bro, YOLO, bro. Bro? Bro.

backward galaxy
9 years ago
Reply to  alang3131982

While you may have read the article, you clearly didn’t comprehend it.

Johnston
9 years ago
Reply to  The Foils

That’s too much like work! 🙂

jjgreen33
9 years ago
Reply to  alang3131982

I don’t understand the down votes to this comment. I suspect Dodgers’ management is trying to rip the band aid off here. Once they decided that Ruiz was a better option in the playoffs than Ellis, trading Ellis avoids having repeated infighting about Ellis’ status. It’s better to have that fighting only once, and more than a month before the playoffs start

RadermecherMember since 2018
9 years ago

Lester has Ross
Kershaw had Ellis.
Will this make Kershaw less effective?

DoyersFan
9 years ago
Reply to  Radermecher

Kershaw is a beast and will be a beast regardless of who is catching him.

LakeShow
9 years ago
Reply to  Radermecher

Unlikely. Last year when Ellis was on the DL and Grandal was catching him, Kershaw had something like a 30-inning scoreless streak. Ellis is actually one of the poorest pitch framers in the league, which actually hurts Kershaw’s performance. As impossible as that might seem to believe.

Doorknob11
9 years ago
Reply to  Radermecher

That’s the big question, though a less effective Kershaw is still probably the best pitcher in the game.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Radermecher

He has actually thrown to Grandal numerous times, quite successfully.

nunyobini
9 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Grandal caught 5 of Kershaw’s 16 starts this year.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  nunyobini

and 12 of 33 last year

The FoilsMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  Radermecher

Ross can actually catch though

Johnston
9 years ago
Reply to  Radermecher

Back when Carlton lost his personal catcher McCarver it certainly didn’t make him any less effective.

DoyersFan
9 years ago

Grandal is one of the best defensive catchers in baseball. I think Greinke wishes he was in Zona with him right now, because he LOVED him. I’m sure Kersh will be just fine when he reaps the benefits of Yasmani’s framing skills.

As for the AJ Ellis third catcher thing, I think the Dodgers still want Austin Barnes to contribute. They haven’t traded him yet and for him, being a able to sit behind Ruiz in September and learn should be big time like how Wellington got some help from Ross on the fly.

Scott
9 years ago
Reply to  DoyersFan

According to Keith Law, who recently rated the best defensive catchers, Grandal isn’t in the top 5. He’s an elite framing catcher, but his pitch calling and blocking skills are subpar (apparently, I’m not an expert on catching defense). Just food for thought.

nunyobini
9 years ago
Reply to  Scott

As someone who watches a lot of Dodger baseball I can confirm his blocking skills are awful.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  nunyobini

Hardly awful. Not great, but it’s not nearly bad enough to sink his overall defensive value.

Ghostofmeek
9 years ago

Great article, Dave. I like the point about the 40-man roster considerations, but I’m a bit perplexed by why this trade initially struck some as surprising. A wrc+ of 100 over 193 PAs as a catcher seems far and away better than a wrc+ of 50 over 161 PAs. Even against right handed pitchers, Ruiz’s 85 wrc+ is so much better than anything Ellis offers from either side. If Grandal goes down, the Dodgers can now turn to a catcher that offers them solid production. This does not seem to me like a slight upgrade on paper trumping clubhouse considerations, this seems like a significant upgrade trumping clubhouse considerations. And, for what it’s worth, Carlos Ruiz was beloved by the Phillies and had great relationships with pitchers like Halladay, Lee, and Hamels. From the Phillies perspective, they get a lottery ticket and someone who offers them similar clubhouse advantages that Ruiz did during a down year.

It seems to me like a win-win, and while it hurts all of those who were close to Ellis as friends, his production was just not passable for a playoff roster.

vmx
9 years ago

$800,000 is not chump change to the Dodgers. It is $800,000. Until the writers realize this very simple fact, dumb articles like this will continue to be made.

cjmccannMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  vmx

I know it feels disgusting to say because to 99% of individuals $800,000 is a life-altering sum, but in relative terms it really IS chump change. The economic reality of professional sports organizations is just that absurd.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  vmx

It’s not chump change but it is considerably less than they have spent in other instances for very marginal improvements to the team.

Member since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  vmx

Haha, an impressive number of downvotes, but I’m not sure it’s really wrong. Maybe it’s as simple as the LA front office valuing player angst over veteran clubhouse leaders at less than $800K.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
9 years ago
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No it’s definitely wrong. 800k to the Dodgers is roughly the equivalent of (0.8 million/227million payroll) 0.35% of their expenses. That would be $176 to a person with a $50,000 budget.

Curious Gorge
9 years ago

I’ll take $176 from you if you don’t value it. (I’m within that range)

cjmccannMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Curious Gorge

Can you improve my relationships with left-handed people by 60%? If yes, then gladly!

Paul G.Member since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Curious Gorge

I’d take it, too. But if there was something I really wanted or really needed, I wouldn’t consider that amount of money to be a hardship.

Member since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Curious Gorge

Yeah, I don’t think that’s a particularly convincing argument. There are lots of things that ordinary people aren’t willing to pay $176 for.

ironfireman
9 years ago

Ehh but that’s the whole point. Do you want to make your wife weep over $176 dollars?
Also isn’t Ruiz making twice as much as Ellis?

Sam Samson
9 years ago

You’re comparing how much money a person earns with how much the Dodgers spend on payroll, though, which is a bit of a false equivalence.

You need to compare it with the Dodgers’ revenue stream which was valued by Forbes last season as $403 million. You might also want to factor in team value – an eye-watering $2.4 billion – in which case $800,000 does start to seem like chump change.

jmMetsMember since 2021
9 years ago
Reply to  vmx

Not sure why people are down voting this. Do you see the Dodgers paying all their sales people $800k? Why wouldn’t they if it’s just “chump change” to them? In the name of adding talent to their roster, they’ve shown that in THAT RESPECT $800k is chump change. But keeping Ellis doesn’t help their roster. The decision to keep Ellis would be based on whether or not they think his clubhouse contribution is worth $800k. IN THAT RESPECT, $800k is not chump change. Hiring a clubhouse clown or comedian would cost considerably less than $800k if the goal is to boost morale.

Voting this comment down (unless you’re voting this down because the writers called this a “dumb article” which it is not), is the equivalent of saying a $20 bottle of water is chump change compared to a $100 ballpark ticket. You can’t compare the relative value of a bottle of water vs. a ballpark ticket in the same way you can’t compare the value of a marginal on-the-field upgrade vs. the value of clubhouse morale. They are distinct categorical goods.

jmMetsMember since 2021
9 years ago
Reply to  jmMets

Just to clarify the water bottle comparison, just because you spend $100 for a ticket doesn’t mean you’re also willing (or think it’s financially frugal) to spend $20 for a bottle of water.

Paul22
9 years ago
Reply to  vmx

Its actually more when you consider the LT savings

ironfireman
9 years ago
Reply to  vmx

Amen brother! 0.3% of the Dodgers payroll is not chump change!

Yanks123
9 years ago

Wait is Grandal actually platooned? A switch hitter with a career 114 wRC+ against LHP and a 135 wRC+ against them this season with more walks than strikeouts? I’m not saying Ruiz won’t do a better job… but that’s odd.

piddy
9 years ago
Reply to  Yanks123

He’s not platooned, but like any catcher he gets days off, and they’re typically against lefties.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Yanks123

Grandal has been playing pretty much every day lately, especially as the bat gap between him and Ellis has widened.

jfree
9 years ago

Sometimes if you want to change a bad habit of underachieving results (ie World Series drought), you have to change both ‘things that aren’t comfortable with the clubhouse (Puig) and ‘things that ARE comfortable with the clubhouse’ (Ellis).

nenrightMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  jfree

this right here. There were reports in the offseason through a source(Ellis, most likely), that dodger players felt like the FO wasn’t doing enough to win now, and all the sportswriters took the chance to take shots at the FO. Now the dodgers improve the only weakness on their roster(assuming Kershaw comes back their starting playoff rotation is deadly), and every sportswriter starts shit-talking the FO. it’s actually incredible.

kevinthecomic
9 years ago

This was retribution by management, plain and simple. They (management) didn’t want to send Puig down but they had to because the players were in revolt. So, they got rid of Ellis as payback. Either that, or I am a conspiracy theorist. One of the two.

LHPSU
9 years ago
Reply to  kevinthecomic

It’s like you’re making us choose between Yuniesky Betancourt and Mike Trout.

Jason BMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  kevinthecomic

“Either that, or I am a conspiracy theorist. One of the two.”

ooh! I know which I would pick!

Charlie HustleMember since 2016
9 years ago

Ellis was traded because he did not warrant spot on the 40-man roster following the acquisition of Ruiz. You could pretend like this wasn’t so, but that wouldn’t make it any less true. Yes, the Dodgers could have “made up an injury” and gone into September with the 39 most deserving players plus Ellis. Probably wouldn’t have hurt the team.

Instead, they traded him from a position in which he was not needed to contribute on the field to one where he might be. He as a chance to be an asset on a young team, and might be able to compete for a backup job next year. No pretending. Once the tears are shed, this may be the best for everyone. This is major league baseball, and these men are professionals. Teams competing for championships should improve themselves this time of year. And players who are presented with new opportunities should embrace them.

dcomegysMember since 2016
9 years ago

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9 years ago
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wily moMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Joser

ah, yes, didn’t see this comment when i posted. seems like another angle on the same presumed issue (something about the ads)

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wily moMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  dcomegys

some talk about this in the sullivan chat today, go in there and search on “chrome” (don’t know if they actually solved it, but at least a possible solution was proposed)

dl80Member since 2026
9 years ago
Reply to  dcomegys

Use Firefox? Open-source, has ad blockers, runs this site fine, free.

Gina
9 years ago
Reply to  dcomegys

I had to start using adblock. It’s the only thing that fixed it.

Kyle Sharamitaro
9 years ago

well done Dave.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
9 years ago

I’m not saying Friedman does not care at all about the clubhouse but I’m not sure Puig is a good example of them caring about it. Of course Puigs personality probably did play a role but he also was playing not well. If he was raking he would not have been sent down although his personality shortened the leash.

Friedman does have a reputation of drafting guys with “makeup issues” in Tampa to get plus talent at a discount. He also signed tons of Cubans who often have had trouble to adjust to the US lifestyle.

I’m not saying he doesn’t care about clubhouse at all but there is some evidence that he views the valuing of makeup and personality as a market inefficiency that allows him to grab talent on a below value price.

Of course Friedman also has his limits if someone behaves too bad but to me it is clear that Friedman values it less that other guys.

BTW it doesn’t have to do with nerds vs old school. In moneyball they wrote that they are doing personality tests and psychological tests in Oakland. However Oakland has a different philosophy. Beane is high on guys with a high floor and personality issues are increasing the chance of a bust.

Friedman on the other hand seems to be more inclined to get high ceiling high risk prospects and accepting some busts along the way.

Neither approach is better or worse, just different.

dl80Member since 2026
9 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

But Puig IS raking in AAA and they supposedly aren’t going to recall him in September, no matter what. That strikes me as indicating it is all about personality, no matter how he is hitting. I think Kershaw, especially, dislikes Puig, and they decided that they don’t want him around when/if Kerhsaw comes back.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  dl80

I believe they keep him down to audition him for a trade. If he rakes in AAA it is easier to sell him as a changed man to some front office, if they call him up again there is a good chance he struggles again and hurts his value.

I think the Dodgers think that Puigs first season was a fluke and hope to sell high on him doing well in the minors.

Gina
9 years ago
Reply to  dl80

he had been raking since he’d come back from the DL too before being sent down. Though I don’t know if they were playing him every day.

Josh ShepardsonMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

“If he was raking he would not have been sent down although his personality shortened the leash.” You’re not the first person I’ve seen/heard say this, and I’m not sure where the idea Puig was hitting like crap came from. From 6/21 (when he returned from the DL) until 7/31 (his last day in the majors) he hit .308/.390/.440 with a .363 wOBA, 131 wRC+, 8.6% walk rate and 15.2% strikeout rate. He was raking when he was demoted. Check the numbers: http://www.fangraphs.com/statsd.aspx?playerid=14225&position=OF&type=0&gds=2016-06-21&gde=2016-07-31&season=

Johnston
9 years ago

Thanks, Dave. You explained it. You also gave me yet another reason to hate the 40-man roster rules, which I really think we need to get rid of.

channelclemente
9 years ago

Some in the LA media are saying this is Freidman’s way of asserting control. After all, wasn’t he trained in that A’s front office.

JUICEMANE
9 years ago

If I were the Dodgers I would get rid of Ellis just because he sucks…but that would mean getting rid of Reddick and bringing Puig back up… and thats just crazy talk!

Paul22
9 years ago

285 OBP, 252 SLG. What else do you need? Dodgers can resign him as a FA after this year if Kershaw needs him. Its also possible the Phillies just releases him and they can resign him, since it was really just a salary dump for them. I think good chemistry is badly over rated. Its bad chemistry that kills teams.

dkmin
9 years ago

This would also explain their reluctance to call up JDL, right?

padraic
9 years ago

Just to support Dave’s argument, look at it from the Phillies perspective: why the heck would they want Ellis? They have two very good C prospects in Knapp and Alfaro, and trading Ruiz would be the perfect way to bring one up in a non-pressure environment. Ellis is about as useless a part as there could possibly be, ann NBA level trade-and-cut candidate.

It makes much more sense that Ellis was pushed on the Phils, for all the reasons stated above. Great piece.

Mick DMember since 2025
9 years ago

It might also be LAD management’s decision to quell a player revolt, The LAD have had staggering injuries which seem concentrated on their pitching. It might be that Ellis spoke up when management had a hissy fit during Kershaw’s injury rehab. Negative information of dubious orgin was being cited in the media which doesn’t sound like the SF Giants. SF had their own major problems. It just seems reactionary and spiteful.

reggiethomaslive
9 years ago
Reply to  Mick D

Or they just picked up a better catcher and now lacked a roster spot for AJ, who is terrible at nearly all aspects of the game.

SteveM
9 years ago

Not noted in the article, but it’s not like they’re getting AJ Pierzynski back in the deal. Ruiz is, like Ellis, one of the most popular Phillies, both inside and outside of the clubhouse.