Why Do We Care About the Spitball?

Much of (baseball) history comes down to who you believe. Let’s take Gaylord Perry, for example. Here’s an excerpt from his Society of American Baseball Research bio:

Following the season, the rules committee finally outlawed the practice of a pitcher putting his hand to his mouth anywhere on the pitcher’s mound, instructing the umpire to call a ball upon each infraction. According to Perry’s later confession, spitballers had to learn to use foreign substances like Vaseline or hair tonic, rather than saliva. In Perry’s words, “That rule virtually eliminated the pure spitball in baseball. I had the whole winter and spring to work out an adjustment. It wasn’t easy.” Prior to the rule change, Perry would touch his cap and mouth, and fake a wipe of his fingers. Now he had to get his moisture somewhere else on his person, and also learn a new series of elaborate decoy moves. He spent the winter practicing in front of the mirror. After a rocky spring training, he managed just fine.

Seems pretty bad. And at the end of his long, illustrious/infamous career, Perry would actually be ejected for having a ball covered in vasoline. But then, consider his Hall of Fame plaque. Its second sentence reads:

Playing mind games with hitters through array of rituals on mound was part of his arsenal, 20-game winner 5 times with lifetime ERA of 3.10.

His Hall of Fame bio also downplays Perry’s skirting of the rules, portraying him more as someone who “played to type” and even positing that his spitball might be “imagined.” Though they do recognize the 1982 ejection, they couch it as him having a 21-year run of not being ejected. Perhaps it was real, perhaps it wasn’t. I was only three years old when he was ejected, so I can’t say that I lived through that era. But generally speaking, where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and if Perry were totally innocent, then he picked an odd title for his autobiography. But so what if he did? Would his career ERA have jumped to 3.50? Would he have won only 295 games instead of 314? He’d still be a Hall of Famer.

Why are we talking about this? Well, because last night Will Smith became one of the periodic few pitchers tossed out for having a foreign substance on his arm — by Smith’s account, it was a combination of rosin and sunscreen. If you take Smith at his word, the substances are hilarious. Rosin is provided for pitchers on the pitching mound, and Major League Baseball obviously wants its pitchers to use sunscreen. Or, at least it has since Derek Lowe got skin cancer. It’s not like he was sticking jalapeno’s in his nose.

Where it turns unfunny is when you consider the game situation. Manager Fredi Gonzalez got him tossed in the midst of a close game with runners on base, and after Smith was ejected, the far inferior Neal Cotts came into the game and promptly allowed a run to score. It was academic shortly thereafter, as Michael Blazek then entered and opened the floodgates, but the game was very much in the balance when Gonzalez decided to have Smith ejected. Yes, Smith had hit the previous batter, but as Freddie Freeman noted after the game, using foreign substances makes a pitcher less wild, so Gonzalez using that as an explanation rings hollow. Here’s what Freeman said:

“Every pitcher does it,” Freeman said. “As a hitter, you want them to do it so they’ll have a better grip so we won’t get hit in the head.”

In that same piece, Gonzalez intimated that Smith forced his hand by making it “as plain as could be.” In other words, Gonzalez was offended by Smith’s brazenness, more than the cheating itself. Whenever I see stuff like this happen, I always recall this brief passage from the book Band of Brothers:

Chickenshit is so called – instead of horse- or bull- or elephant shit – because it is small-minded and ignoble and takes the trivial seriously.

To me, this is the perfect way to sum up the actions of Gonzalez last night, or the actions of John Farrell against Michael Pineda, or the actions of Davey Johnson against Joel Peralta. Those may have been even worse, actually. The Red Sox were winning when Farrell had Pineda checked, and Peralta had pitched for the Nationals two seasons earlier and someone no doubt tipped off Johnson to the practice.

You Aren't a FanGraphs Member
It looks like you aren't yet a FanGraphs Member (or aren't logged in). We aren't mad, just disappointed.
We get it. You want to read this article. But before we let you get back to it, we'd like to point out a few of the good reasons why you should become a Member.
1. Ad Free viewing! We won't bug you with this ad, or any other.
2. Unlimited articles! Non-Members only get to read 10 free articles a month. Members never get cut off.
3. Dark mode and Classic mode!
4. Custom player page dashboards! Choose the player cards you want, in the order you want them.
5. One-click data exports! Export our projections and leaderboards for your personal projects.
6. Remove the photos on the home page! (Honestly, this doesn't sound so great to us, but some people wanted it, and we like to give our Members what they want.)
7. Even more Steamer projections! We have handedness, percentile, and context neutral projections available for Members only.
8. Get FanGraphs Walk-Off, a customized year end review! Find out exactly how you used FanGraphs this year, and how that compares to other Members. Don't be a victim of FOMO.
9. A weekly mailbag column, exclusively for Members.
10. Help support FanGraphs and our entire staff! Our Members provide us with critical resources to improve the site and deliver new features!
We hope you'll consider a Membership today, for yourself or as a gift! And we realize this has been an awfully long sales pitch, so we've also removed all the other ads in this article. We didn't want to overdo it.

It’s hard to walk away from any of these situations and feel good about yourself, even if your team benefits from it. There are a lot of things at play here. One, if everyone actually does do it, as Freeman and many others have posited, then any manager that has a pitcher checked is a hypocrite. Second, there’s the question of whether it actually helps. The answer is probably not. If you want to take the position that Pineda stopped cheating after he was nailed, then he’s been even better — his strikeout rate is up six percent this year.

Finally, and most importantly, it just reinforces that the game of baseball is one where you can’t have fun, and that everything is super serious. As kids run away from baseball, this sort of message — that the game is populated by rule-following robots who hate bat flips and have 10-foot poles stuck up their hind quarters — is pretty much the opposite of what the game needs.

Will Smith put some stuff on the ball last night. Gaylord Perry put some stuff on the ball for 22 years. One is currently being reviled, one is among the game’s most celebrated pitchers. Doesn’t make much sense to me, and as such I’m not sure why I’m supposed to care about the spitball. In the meantime, I’d like to go back and see that inning played over again. Will Smith’s slider has been a lot better than Neal Cotts’ since the start of last season, and Jace Peterson has a hard time hitting sliders. Perhaps if that at-bat turns out differently, the Braves don’t laugh their way to a win.





Paul Swydan used to be the managing editor of The Hardball Times, a writer and editor for FanGraphs and a writer for Boston.com and The Boston Globe. Now, he owns The Silver Unicorn Bookstore, an independent bookstore in Acton, Mass. Follow him on Twitter @Swydan. Follow the store @SilUnicornActon.

66 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Jamie
11 years ago

“Playing mind games with hitters through array of rituals on mound was part of his arsenal, 20-game winner 5 times with lifetime ERA of 3.10”

Are all of the plaques in the Hall of Fame written by students from the Cooperstown Community College ESL program, or just this one?

Careless
11 years ago
Reply to  Paul Swydan

“jalapeno’s”?

Jeff
11 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Ha! That line bothered me too, so I had to look it up. Turns out that the comma should actually be a period – or put another way, the author of this article has quoted both the second and third sentences of the plaque.

http://baseballhall.org/hof/perry-gaylord (click on the plaque to embiggen it)

pbmax
11 years ago

Good read. Agree.

Watching it live was pretty funny, Smith wasn’t even trying to conceal, and I can see why Gonzalez used that as an excuse. But I agree, I don’t care. “Cheating” in baseball is all relative it seems, including sterioid/hgh use(in the Bonds/McGwire/Sosa years) versus the amphetamines of the 60s and 70s, and cocaine of the 80s.

And the fun factor? McCann and all the other guys who stand up for the stupid unwritten rules are curmudgeons. The bat flip should be a practiced thing like they do in Korea. Oh the poor pitcher got shown up?, who cares, make better pitches. Entertain us as fans. No one cares to be so serious. It’s just baseball.

Curacao LL
11 years ago
Reply to  pbmax

You’re not seriously classifying coke as a PED are you?

grandbranyanMember since 2017
11 years ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

You think a not insignificant portion of the league was snorting lines before games in the 1980’s just for the fun of it?

The player’s certainly thought it was enhancing their performance, otherwise they probably would have abstained.

Shirtless George Brett
11 years ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

You think a not insignificant portion of the league was snorting lines before games in the 1980’s just for the fun of it?

Ummm….yeah. pretty much.

Cocaine actually inhibits performance.

roadrider
11 years ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

“The player’s certainly thought it was enhancing their performance, otherwise they probably would have abstained.”

They also think that those stupid titanium necklaces improve their performance despite the fact that its been shown to be scientifically impossible.

Paul G.
11 years ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

Yeah, cocaine is not a PED. People generally use cocaine as a recreational drug to make themselves feel “better” though it does have some medical uses as a pain killer. Cocaine is a PED in the same sense that alcohol or cigarettes are PEDs, which is to say not at all.

People sometimes do things for reasons other than getting better at their jobs.

Yellow Dart
11 years ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

The fun of it is pretty much the reason anyone does cocaine.

value
11 years ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

coke and amphetamines are documented performance enhancers, unlike that placebo HGH

jack
11 years ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

cocaine was a PED in professional football. not baseball. unless a brawl breaks out

EnricoPalazzo
11 years ago
Reply to  jack

Cocaine is a stimulant, and stimulants can increase your focus. The faster the brain goes, the slower the outside world, and fastballs, go.

Cliff
11 years ago
Reply to  jack

Link please? Do stimulants “make your brain go faster”??

dan
11 years ago
Reply to  pbmax

I think that you just need to conceal it. Being obvious about it is not only a bad way to get caught, but a little disrespectful and lazy. You can’t get all butt hurt about getting caught if it’s shining on your arm like a smear of snot. If you want to be able to get the substance on your fingers, be creative like apparently everyone else is.

Jim S.
11 years ago

Hate to be niggly, but it’s whoM do you believe. Now I’ll go back to the top.

cass
11 years ago
Reply to  Jim S.

Wrong. It’s ‘whom dost though believe’.

I mean, if we are going to complain that FanGraphs writers aren’t using antiquated words that have fallen out of modern English usage, we might as well go whole hog.

cass
11 years ago
Reply to  cass

Whom dost thou believe? Not Autocorrect.

Twm
11 years ago
Reply to  cass

This is what I am always telling my kids: if you don’t understand something, make it seem insignificant and then belittle those who do understand it.

Spa City
11 years ago
Reply to  cass

I am not a nitpicker. But it never occurred to me that people thought of “whom” as antiquated.

“Whom” is no different than “him”. It is no more difficult to remember the difference between who and whom than it is to remember the difference between he and him.

Stovokor
11 years ago
Reply to  cass

Dude, how is “whom” antiquated? Do you think “him” and “her” are old-fashioned, too? They’re object pronouns.

It’s like when they changed the dictionary definition of “literally” to mean “figuratively”. We let the idiots win.

Erik
11 years ago
Reply to  Stovokor

It’s funny, I always thought that people who used “literally” when speaking figuratively were being facetious. Why would you say you’re speaking figuratively? It’d be like saying “I’m joking when I say…”

Curacao LL
11 years ago

I’ll take the other side of this argument. Specifically Fredi Gonzalez’, and John Farrell’s claims that the opposing pitchers made stuff so obvious that they were left with no choice in the matter.

As a manager, I’m going to lose 70 to 90 games a year no matter what I do. That’s baseball. After a one-run loss, I’m going to get all sorts of questions as to why I didn’t pinch-hit for so-and-so, or why I did. The media needs content. Why did I put the shift on when I shouldn’t have, or why I didn’t when it was clear to the beat reporter that I should have. The media needs controversy.

That’s the media’s job, and that kind of sucks to have to answer their damned-if-I-do, damned-if-I-don’t questions. But, indirectly, the media pays my salary: the media talks about the team, which makes people interested, which encourages ticket sales.

The questions I don’t want are “Why aren’t you doing everything you can to win?” I’ve got all these other questions to answer, and life’s too short. I don’t want the beat reporter writing that I’m not paying attention, or, worse, that I don’t care. I’m getting fired someday. I’ll want a new job the day after that. I don’t want it getting around that I don’t work my hole off, that I slep through games. I’m not Cito Gaston.

So please, opposing pitcher: do me a favour and put the bloody gunk inside the top two buttons of your jersey. Thanks. The end.

Bhaakon
11 years ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

Thank you.

If Gonzalez sees it from the dugout, then someone watching the game at home with their HD close-up will as well, and then probably writes an article about it with nifty gifs and screen captures and the whole thing makes the rounds of the baseball media–Fangraphs included–for a couple days as MLB “investigates.”

So Gonzalez can either be “chickenshit” and call the pitcher on being extra blatant in breaking a rule that’s commonly ignored, or he can eat shit when everyone else asks how the hell he missed something so obvious or (perhaps worse) noticed and decided to hurt his team’s chances by letting it pass.

D
11 years ago

Seem like the unwritten rule is that it is cheating if you get caught, so make at least some attempt to conceal it. Same rule applies to speeding- if you go with the flow of traffic at 75 in a 55 you are ok, but if you stand out you may get flagged.

4min33
11 years ago

” his strikeout rate is up six percent this year.”
I find this language ambiguous. Maybe it’s a pet peeve, and I acknowledge this usage is rife. But if you said it was up 6 percentage points we’d know you meant it was up from 20 to 26% instead of 20 to 21.2 % (6 percent improvement). Consider if you said his strikeout rate was down 20%. Sounds bad, not catastrophic, but would you mean 16% (20- 20%) or zero?

My 2 (per)cents!

stretchfest
11 years ago
Reply to  4min33

Agree 100% (points?)

Just say points, this is fangraphs, we get it.

Mattie V
11 years ago

I can attest to the wonders of rosin and sunscreen. In South Dakota, the spring is miserable, and it’s the best grip I’ve found.

fothead
11 years ago

I tend to think alot of baseball’s unwritten rules make the game unique.
There’s showmanship in the NFL and NBA. Mostly don’t mind it in the NFL, mainly because if someone doesn’t like it they can find a way in between the lines to make you pay for it with pain (though its being taken out).

The NBA I dont watch, so I dont care.

My point is why isn’t there room for both? Surely there has to be SOME people under 30 who still understand respect? Right? Just getting tired of having to turn everything into flashy nonsense devoid of substance?

I dont fault either party. Smith is trying to do what HE can to win, and Freddi what HE can. You have to be willing to take consequence if you take the risk to break the rules, because you’re going to surely be ready to take the reward.

Roger
11 years ago

“One, if everyone actually does do it, as Freeman and many others have posited, then any manager that has a pitcher checked is a hypocrite.”

Obviously not the case. First of all, “everyone” among pitchers might be “doing it” without managers being aware; in that case no hypocrisy is needed for a manager to challenge. Second, non-hypocritical managers could hold that their pitchers doctor balls in acceptable or rule-skirting ways while an opposing pitcher simply flouted the rules. Third, gamesmanship about rules is common and moralizing about “hypocrisy” isn’t really germane in the first place.

“Second, there’s the question of whether it actually helps. The answer is probably not.”

There’s virtually no good data about cheating (for very obvious reasons) and this is a silly thing to assert with this level of confidence. Ball-doctoring may well help some pitchers achieve the result they want. The arguments marshaled here seem mostly pretty glib and un-thought-through to me, and the affectation of blithe false certitude in situations where good data is very, very obviously not actually available is a consistent enough problem for FG writers that I think it’s worth pointing out.

BMac
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

I am sure that I read an article where the effects of doctoring a baseball were discussed in considerable detail. I remember that Mike Flanagan, then of the Blue Jays, demonstrated to a reporter that the key was also knowing how to throw the pitch, since the stuff has to be on the right part of the baseball, and the baseball must then be thrown a certain way to take advantage. A hanging spitter can still leave the park.

A little thought about how the position of the seems on the baseball when thrown can affect it should make it obvious that other small changes will have an equal affect.

TWTW
11 years ago

Let the boys play.

Statistics don't lie
11 years ago

So, how about one of the writers here actually find us some film from Gaylord Perry and anybody else you can find who throws illegal pitches. Let’s see if these pitches move any better than the arsenal of legal pitches regularly in use today. If, based on a bona fide analysis, these pitches aren’t any harder to hit than what is currently being thrown to hitters, then ask: why keep the rule?

Snarfle
11 years ago

Entirely agree with the sentiment…but there does have to be a rule, right? If you just tell pitchers they can do what they want, they’ll keep a mixture of tar and superglue on their gloves. Not sure if there’s a more optimal solution than having a rule that everyone breaks, but that can be called on when things get egregious. And yes, some managers will randomly invoke it to get an edge, which sucks, but at the moment I can’t think of a system that no one will abuse. Maybe just up the legal rosin bag end of things and discourage extra stuff.

AC
11 years ago

If the hitters want it, and the pitchers want it, it seems like there should be a way to write the rules in a way that allows pitchers to use a grip-enhancing substance.

It’s more weighted toward the pitcher if something is actually added to the ball in a way that affects the spin. But a minor rule change would be fairly simple and eliminate all this nonsense.

Roger Goodell
11 years ago

Totally agree. Obsessively enforcing bullshit, ticky-tacky little rules can only harm the sport in the long run.

Darkstone42
11 years ago

Any doctoring which simply improves grip, i.e. makes super wild pitches less likely, should probably be fine. Yes, it takes away the advantage a hitter gets from some super-obvious balls, but as Freeman points out, it also reduces the likelihood of hit batsmen, and most importantly of batsmen hit in the head, which probably roughly mitigates the pitcher’s advantage in the hitter’s eyes.

On the other hand, doctoring a ball to generate unnatural movement is probably not okay, since that more or less completely benefits the pitcher and plays up their stuff beyond their actual skill. It’s in neither the spirit of the game nor the interest of fairness.

Darkstone42
11 years ago
Reply to  Darkstone42

I should have included my concluding paragraph in the first post, I suppose, but here it is:

In summary, they just need to make this distinction in the rules. Perhaps allow for specific grip-but-not-movement-enhancing mixtures while banning all other doctoring or something.

BMac
11 years ago
Reply to  Darkstone42

Gonzales took great pains to specify that he watched to see if he was adding it to the baseball, and would likely have overlooked it if it was just for grip.

It definitely needs to be controlled. Anyone who thinks doctoring the ball is not happening or that it has no effect is in denial.

Jetsy Extrano
11 years ago

This is allegedly a “stick” substance, but then you bring in “slip” substances like Vaseline. Worth distinguishing, IMO, since baseball explicitly allows rosin for “stick”.

Going to pine tar for the same purpose may not bug somebody, where going to Vaseline does. If I remember Alan Nathan, he says the “slip” doctoring gives a low-spin fastball, a super-sinker, like a splitter with four-seam speed. Which could be a significant change. Would love to see pitch fx on doctored pitches…

I’ve also heard some foreign substances placed on the side of the ball can affect airflow, like a scuff ball, giving a fastball speed with slider horizontal break. That also seems like a different kind of weapon than just putting your hand’s spin onto the ball.

Phantom Stranger
11 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

Your last point is how pitchers often use the foreign substance. The former pro pitchers on television are being disingenuous when they say foreign substances are only used for grip, they’ve been used to affect spin for decades and decades. It’s the last refuge of a middle-reliever with good velocity but poor breakin’ stuff. Many current and former middle relievers wouldn’t be playing in the show if they couldn’t use a little extra on the ball. Starters and closers often use it for similar purposes but they would likely still be playing MLB without it.

Ray Chapman's Estate
11 years ago

Uhhh, aren’t you forgetting something?

roadrider
11 years ago

I don’t care for gratuitous showmanship like bat flips. Its a matter of basic sportsmanship and decrying it does not equate to a preference for “robotic” behavior. Baseball is not professional wrestling.

There were flamboyant players back in the day like Mays and Clemente (and yes, Mays was known to wear a cap that was prone to fly off his head when he ran) that were exciting to watch without showing up the opposition. Mickey Mantle used to round the bases with his head hung almost in embarrassment when he hit one out. Maybe the bat flippers should watch a tape of him or Henry Aaron.

I’m no longer young so I can’t say why young people are less interested in baseball than they used to be (if they actually are – I see plenty of young people in the stands at games and on TV). But it probably has to do with the number of competing interests that didn’t exist when I was their age. I doubt that more bat flips would be at the top of their list of things that would increase their interest level.

Darkstone42
11 years ago
Reply to  roadrider

Well, it’s a game, and it’s entertainment, so what’s wrong with some showmanship? Also, bat flips are aesthetically awesome and super fun to do.

I’m all for bat flips of all sorts, just as long as they’re done safely (no flipping the bat at someone or into the stands or anything ridiculous like that). And I’m all for a pitcher getting visibly excited and celebrating (even to the point of hilariously falling over *cough*Chad Qualls*cough*) after a big strikeout. It’s fun, it’s exciting, it’s entertaining, and that’s what this whole enterprise of professional baseball is about.

If these guys get offended because someone “showed them up” or whatever, that’s on them for forgetting they play a game for a living.

Paul G.
11 years ago

From what I grasp, baseball players are generally okay with pitchers doctoring baseballs as long as they don’t get caught (and are not dangerous). Doctoring a baseball and getting away with it is essentially considered a skill. If you can do it, all the power to you. I’m guessing it is not the universal opinion.

Needless to say this effort was not especially subtle. Try harder next time.

Paul G.
11 years ago

The spitball was banned for safety reasons, as Ray Chapman’s Estate would like to remind us, as well as a way to boost offense. The danger of the spitball may be exaggerated and I have no objections to reconsidering the ban. Why we would want to reduce offense at this point is another question. Then again if all it does is legalize what is commonly going on now then it should not impact it either way.

It would be interesting to see how many pitchers actually do doctor the ball and how. I’d like to take Freeman’s word for it, but he’s not a pitcher.

james wilson
11 years ago
Reply to  Paul G.

Chapman was not killed by a spitball, but by a hanging breaking pitch. The same pitch that almost killed Don Zimmer and left him in a coma for eight days.

At any rate the spitter was not banned because it was dangerous. Baseball was just leaving an era where two balls were supplied for the entire game, and every infielder took his turn spitting tobacco only the ball until it was brown. That’s the ball Chapman didn’t duck.

John Thacker
11 years ago

Finally, and most importantly, it just reinforces that the game of baseball is one where you can’t have fun, and that everything is super serious.

Really? Didn’t we just get finished arguing that the whole playing to type of Gaylord Perry was entertaining showmanship? You can’t have that sort of showmanship without the straight man, without the threat of being tossed. It seems to me that it’s not so much the gamesmanship of checking and resultant ejections that’s the problem, but rather whether you treat someone as reviled or simply as someone who looked for an edge, took their punishment, and that’s it.

Surely there’s a middle ground of wanting this (or other equipment rules, like with the Patriots’ in the NFL) enforced when people get caught but not believing that being caught and suspended makes someone evil.

Spa City
11 years ago

Is anybody aware of any attempt to write down all of baseball’s “unwritten rules”? If not, I think I will start working on it myself.

It just seems worth memorializing the heretofore Unwritten rules. They will never again be accurately referred to as “unwritten”.

Brian McCann
11 years ago
Reply to  Spa City

I don’t have enough time in the offseason, so yeah, knock yourself out.

D
11 years ago

And Freeman gets hit on the first pitch tonight …

E
11 years ago

As long as they aren’t deflating the baseballs I’m OK with it.

TKDC
11 years ago

I don’t think you need the citation to call something chickenshit in your hot take. Just say it. This does seem like a pretty old school and odd take for Fangraphs.

Max
11 years ago

I care about pitchers doctoring the ball because offense is extremely low nowadays and strikeouts have never been higher. Pitchers have all the advantage in an at bat and they shouldn’t be given any favors. If you need some sort of goop on your arm to pitch well then you have issues.

If you think pitchers should be allowed to doctor the ball then let hitters slather the barrel with pine tar too. Pretty soon things get ridiculous

RJ
11 years ago

“Finally, and most importantly, it just reinforces that the game of baseball is one where you can’t have fun, and that everything is super serious. As kids run away from baseball, this sort of message — that the game is populated by rule-following robots who hate bat flips and have 10-foot poles stuck up their hind quarters — is pretty much the opposite of what the game needs.”

What is the point of a rule if it is not enforced? The problem people had with Brian McCann was that he was enforcing his own unwritten rules, imposing his own mores on the game. But there’s literally a rule against doctoring the ball. Don’t hate on a manager for doing his job.

facepalming
11 years ago

I find it interesting that the younger generation seems to not have a very firm grasp of the “unwritten rules” and/or issues like spitballs. It’s this weird entitled cognitive dissonance and requirements of perfection/getting what they want now. There is no hypocrisy, every single time someone has been caught putting stuff on the ball they get in trouble. What is the alternative? Managers require all pitchers be checked? Managers NEVER ask that a pitcher be checked? That we bring back the legal spitter? The former 2 options would ruin the pace of play goals of the league and the latter one would probably not do much to help the offensive woes that have taken over the league as of late.

Basically, players are going to do wtvr they can to get an edge including doctoring the ball. Every once in awhile one of them is going to get caught. I don’t think this is that big of an issue really.

facepalming
11 years ago
Reply to  Paul Swydan

lol, IDK how old you are, but I have noticed on a blog I am on and twitter…etc that the younger fans seem to be making a stink of this and the older ones are like”grow up will ya? it’s part of the game”

I could make another designation I noticed that seems to coincide with this but it probably violates the rules here. let’s just say it seems to be a very sjw type of whine to me.

Weston T
11 years ago

(Screams and analyzes every ticky-tack piece of data to prove why X manager should have made X move to win game)

(Calls manager a hypocrite when manager does something to help win game)

PackBob
11 years ago

More fun in the game along the line of bat flips:

Outfielders after robbing a home run with a leaping catch should do a dance, initially just a short jig, evolving to a choreographed dance all the way back to the dugout if the third out.

After each strikeout, a pitcher should face and bow in all four cardinal directions, ending by bending over facing away from the opposing dugout.

After a successful steal of second base, a player should make little mock runs at third, all the while taunting the pitcher and catcher with overblown gestures.

After a long throw from the hole to barely nail the batter at first, the shortstop should puff out his chest and whack his biceps, then strike a bodybuilding pose.

Umpires will be encouraged to develop as showy as possible strike, ball, and out gestures, and allowed to seek out sponsors and wear advertising. They will be compensated according to how much TV time they can generate with their antics.

mgraves
11 years ago
Reply to  PackBob

Which Naked Gun movie featured Leslie Nielson’s Frank Drebbin as the home plate umpire (as he was attempting to stop Reggie Jackson from assassinating the Queen of England–or is she referred to as the Queen of Great Britain?)?

Is that what you’re picturing from your umpires? Right now, I am.

That Guy
11 years ago
Reply to  mgraves

I hate your comment on so many levels.

Jacob
11 years ago

Putting something on the ball is cheating. Preventing cheating is different from being “super serious” and outlawing fun. Do steroids make baseball more aesthetically enjoyable? Yeah, I don’t think anyone would disagree with that. But for many reasons they are illegal, and taking them is cheating, so just about everyone is on board with taking them out of baseball.

Look at the media frenzy Deflategate has turned into. What Will Smith did last night is worse cheating than that. I know, different sports, but why should fans care about one, and not the other?

Donald A. Coffin
11 years ago

It would be better to change the rule to something meaningful and enforceable than to retain a rule that is widely believed to prohibit behavior that might even improve the game. Rules that are not enforced except on a whim are worse than no rules at all, frankly.