Why Do We Love “Bad” Players?

Over the last decade or so, I’ve noticed a trend I find intriguing, a pattern of fans building up a cult of personality around players on their favorite team who are, to put it politely, average at best. Now, before we dwell too much on the idea of a “bad” major leaguer, it’s worth noting that even the so-called “bad” players are still elite in terms of their ability to play the sport of baseball. To even make it to the big leagues means having proven yourself in the minors, often for years. They may not stack up compared to All-Star teammates and future Hall of Famers, but I want to emphasize that these players are still among the best in the world at what they do.

Still, even with that in context, there are players who fall into a utility or bench-player role, guys who likely don’t have sell-out jerseys in the team store or even earn the dreaded “Quad-A” moniker. Yet it’s these players who interest me most because for some reason, some of them become magnets for fan interest. Don Kelly, a utility player for the Detroit Tigers, hasn’t appeared on the field for the team since 2014; he has a career line of .230/.294/.334 over nine seasons, a career wRC+ of 72, and 0.2 career WAR. Yet to this day, Tigers fans will argue that it is Kelly, and not Don Mattingly, who is the true “Donnie Baseball.”

I posit there are two parts to what makes these players fan-favorites. The first thing that makes a “bad” player beloved is the positive feeling they create for an audience, be it as a generally likable individual or as a spark-plug who is watchable because you don’t know if they’ll crack a joke or beat the tar out of a Gatorade cooler on any given day. The feeling these players inspire in us, the GIFs and videos that hit Twitter as a result, is part of establishing a mythos that has nothing to do with their stat line. Who among us hasn’t seen a GIF of Tampa Bay Rays outfielder Brett Phillips in “airplane mode” after his unexpectedly clutch walk-off in Game Four of the 2020 World Series and smiled?

The second part of the equation, in line with the Phillips moment mentioned above, are their heroics. These players are typically notorious for a handful of moments when their bat or glove came up clutch during a high-leverage situation. They are able to ride the goodwill of those events, often for the duration of their remaining tenure with their club.

Unfortunately, it’s not a simple feat to combine likability and heroics into a single metric that would help us identify players like this, and it’s all but impossible to quantify that lightning in a bottle feeling that is created when fans connect with specific players. That connection is deeply ingrained in the lore of those fanbases, but unless you’re in the know, you might not be able to identify the players who fit the bill. So I went to those who would know best and asked baseball fans on Twitter, “Who is a statistically ‘bad’ player that your fanbase loves anyway?” The answers came fast and furious, and it quickly became apparent that a few names were being mentioned with greater frequency than others. (I’ll note here that I only considered players who are no longer active, as it is easier to assess the full impact those players had on fans.)

We’ve already talked a little bit about Kelly, the beloved Tigers utility player. Without a doubt, Kelly remains a fixture in the hearts and imaginations of Tigers fans. Through his nine-season career, Kelly made appearances at every position, including pitcher and catcher, making him the truest form of a super-utility player. He also had some postseason clutch moments. He hit a first inning home run in Game Five of the 2011 ALDS against the Yankees, scoring the game’s first run and establishing an early Tigers’ lead; they would go on to win 3-2. Then in Game Two of the 2012 ALDS against the A’s, Kelly hit a walk-off sac fly, handing the Tigers the win; they would ultimately find their way to the World Series.

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Kelly is not alone in being an unlikely Tigers icon, though. Brandon Inge was the Tigers’ everyday third baseman until the arrival of Miguel Cabrera; he was relegated to a utility role after the young phenom arrived in 2008. Inge, who posted a career slashline of .233/.301/.384 with an 81 wRC+ and 14.5 WAR, was a better player than Kelly statistically but still below average by most accounts. In 2009, largely because of a hot run of 24 consecutive games during which he reached base, he went to his first (and only) All-Star Game thanks to the fan vote. Part of what endeared Inge to fans was his willingness to convert to a utility role after losing his place as an everyday player, though it bothered Inge. When Cabrera joined the team, he actually asked the Tigers to trade him, but they weren’t able to.

Much like with Kelly and the Tigers, a player’s postseason performance can be a huge part of what makes them special to fans. With all the hype surrounding the 2016 Chicago Cubs winning their first World Series in 108 years, it’s easy to forget some of the individual player performances, but backup catcher — and current Cubs manager — David Ross certainly fits the bill of the type of player we’re talking about here. Ross, who was dubbed “Grandpa Rossy,” was a fan favorite during his tenure as a Cubs player in spite of hitting just .203/.304/.351 with a 33 wRC+ in 2015 and a 101 wRC+ in ’16. And Ross had a history of clutch moments throughout his career even before the part he played in the 2016 World Series run. He hit his first postseason home run with the Braves in the 2012 Wild Card game. During his second stint with the Boston Red Sox, he hit a game-winning RBI double in the fifth game of the 2013 World Series. And of course, in Game 7 of the 2016 World Series, he became the oldest player to hit a home run in the Fall Classic. These moments have risen above his statistical offerings and made Ross a beloved part of the lore of several teams. His recent turn as Cubs manager was readily accepted by most fans because they had so recently seen his positive impact on the clubhouse, and in spite of the team’s recent teardown, Ross has still been largely well-liked by the fanbase during his managerial tenure.

Augie Ojeda, Another former Cub, came up time and again in response to my prompt, and it’s easy to see why. In nine seasons, he hit .234/.320/.313 with a 65 wRC+ and 1.9 WAR. Ojeda, a utility infielder who won an Olympic bronze medal at the 1996 Summer Games, never found the same success at the major league level that he did in the minors, but he was signed by the Cubs on three different occasions. His original stint came in 2000 after being traded from the Orioles. He returned in 2006, though he only appeared in the minors, and for a third time in 2011, where again he was relegated to the minors before being released mid-season. Ojeda was small for a ballplayer — just 5-foot-9 and around 175 pounds — the kind of player who usually spends most of their career trying to prove that they aren’t too small to be in the majors. But something about Ojeda’s determination, in spite of his stature, appealed to the Cubs and their fans especially. In 2020, recalling his experience on the team, Ojeda said, “Cubs fans are really supportive, and they do their homework on the minor league guys. And they didn’t know much about me, but they saw my size and thought I was a long shot to make it. I hit a double in my first game and I got a standing ovation, and they started calling my name.”

Finally, there’s Munenori Kawasaki, a journeyman who was largely known for his tenure with the Toronto Blue Jays. Kawasaki, a .237/.320/.289 career hitter with a 74 wRC+ and 1.1 WAR, found a permanent place for himself in the heart of Jays fans. Though he was only in the majors for five seasons, he made a strong impact on the Jays faithful during a vital stretch of the team’s successful mid-2010s run. Like some of the other players we mentioned above, Kawasaki had some memorably clutch moments for his club. In 2013, he had a May walk-off against the Orioles. His excitement and enthusiasm during the postgame interview, as well as the evident love his teammates had for him, immediately endeared him to Blue Jays fans:

Kawasaki was with the team from 2013, when they finished last in the AL East, through 2015, when they made a trip to the postseason, getting all the way to the ALCS before losing to the Royals. Kawasaki only appeared in 23 games in the 2015 season, and did not make any postseason appearances, but his effect on the club across three seasons lingers even today. Kawasaki continued to be an engaging personality and his postgame interviews were frequently delightful to watch.

Ultimately, as we reflect on the so-called “bad” players who find a way to become fan-favorites, we find that what these men do for a club is felt both on and off the field. The players who inspire fans to overlook generally middling overall performances are the ones who bring something different to the table in terms of value. They remind us we are watching a game, and a game that very few are ever lucky enough to play, and they seem to savor every second spent on the field, as if keenly aware their stay in the majors could end at any time. They’re the players who bring a smile to your face, even if their batting average is treading at or below the dreaded Mendoza line. They craft a place for themselves as the guy waiting at the top of the dugout steps to grab a teammate’s helmet and be the first to give him a hug after a home run. Their effusive positivity and good humor can be a balm to a sometimes prickly clubhouse, especially if the team is on a losing streak.

And they don’t suffer the pressure of high expectations the way star players do. When Babe Ruth came up to bat, fans wanted to see him hit home runs; they demanded a consistent level of high performance from him. Following Ruth’s incredible 1920 and ’21 seasons for the Yankees, he had a down year in ’22, at least by Ruthian standards, only hitting 35 home runs instead of the 59 he’d clobbered in the year before. It didn’t help that Ruth served a suspension for insubordination, but the press was ruthless (pun entirely intended) about The Babe’s lackluster performance. “Personally, I doubt if Ruth is ever able to top his record of 59,” declared Billy Evans in 1922 in his syndicated column, “Billy Evans Says.”

Players who are seasoned bench guys don’t need to meet those same demands. Few fans, if any, expected Munenori Kawasaki to post monster home run numbers in 2013. Fans didn’t have the same sense of urgency with him at the plate as they did with say, Edwin Encarnación or José Bautista, but he produced in a few key moments, and helped keep the atmosphere light.

All of this to say is that the specific mix of personality and clutch performance that creates a fondness for certain players over others might defy definition by a tidy metric, though I bet that as you’ve read through this article, one or two players from your own favorite team’s history came to mind. The list of names I’ve offered here is far from exhaustive. For fans of those players, the affection they inspire has less to do with stat lines and more to do with how they make us feel; how they consistently remind us of the fun we can have watching baseball. They may even function as a stand-in for ourselves. Most baseball fans will never be able to take a swing at a big-league fastball, or even set foot on the infield grass. But when we see a player who isn’t a superstar — who might even be, by big league standards, “bad” — we can attach ourselves to them. And even though they are still a thousand times more skilled at baseball than we will ever be, for a few seasons we can, perhaps, see ourselves in their cleats.

There’s a power in that, in being reminded of the fun and excitement of the sport through someone we bond with. Perhaps that, at its heart, is why these players remain so beloved by team fans long after their playing careers are over.





Ashley has spent the last several years writing for various SB Nation sites, including Bless You Boys, DRaysBay, and Bleed Cubbie Blue. Her bylines have appeared here at Fangraphs; Hardball Times; BPro Short Relief and more. She hosts a baseball YouTube channel called 90 Feet From Home, and co-hosts the baseball podcast Who's On Worst.

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Left of Centerfield
4 years ago

Interesting timing. I was just reading about how a lot of Cleveland fans are in love with Ernie Clement. If you’re not familiar with Clement (and there’s no reason you should be), he’s a rookie non-prospect who’s currently hitting .247/.297/.294 in 94 PAs while providing average defense. But fans love him because he looks the part, he hustles, he’s gritty, he puts the ball in play, etc. And there’s another person who’s in love with Clement for the same reasons – Tito Francona. Francona has been raving about Clement for the past couple of years based on his spring training performances.

It’s strange though….if Clement were an actual prospect and putting up that slash line, people would be calling him a bust, saying he needs more time in the minors, etc. But because no one expects anything from Clement, he can get away with not performing well.

Anyway, maybe it’s just me, but I tend to prefer players who actually help their teams win…

Dmjn53
4 years ago

Every team has a Clement. A player the fanbase likes just because even if he’s actively costing the team wins

Bolton
4 years ago

I wonder if part of his appeal lies in the name Ernie, which has a throwback feel. Fans tend to like “bad” players who have fun or unique names.

Joe Mannix
4 years ago

Mark Lemke!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe Mannix

Funny, I hypothesized Lemke below. I thought I was way off base but now maybe I think I wasn’t?

Joe Mannix
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m looking at your work but can’t figure why he wouldn’t qualify. He was “bad,” he played a lot, he had exciting “clutch” moments, and he was loved. Q.E.D., no?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe Mannix

Right, he did qualify, and then I thought “hm, Mark Lemke, I must have done this wrong.” I should have trusted myself more!

MikeSMember since 2020
4 years ago

I liked Inge early in his career because he came up as a catcher and had a cannon of an arm, so it was fun watching him throw out baserunners.

mopete12Member since 2023
4 years ago

When I saw the title of this piece, I immediately thought of Brandon Inge and Tigers fans. I always assumed Detroit has some infatuation with soul patches because his on field performance couldn’t explain his popularity.

PC1970Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  mopete12

Inge definitely had the most dichotomy among fans- He was either loved or despised by most Tiger fans, with very little in between. He was a good looking guy, so he had a large contingent of women (esp those that didn’t really follow baseball) that liked him due to that. Some liked him for his cannon arm, his elite athleticism, diving plays at 3B, etc. He was also on the 119 loss 2003 team, so there was some that were happy he was part of the franchise turnaround. Meanwhile, many “old school” fans hated him because he had a low BA, a lot of K’s & a lot of errors at 3B (enhanced by having well above average range).

It was almost impossible to see what he truly was- A Gold Glove caliber 3B (The range way more than made up for the errors), who provided some power, but, was prone to huge slumps with a ton of K’s. The overall package was a decent2-3 WAR player most years.

tigerfannky
4 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

“2-3 WAR player most years” How do you figure that? He played 14 season and was worth more than three WAR twice. He was a blow average hitter for all but two of his 14 seasons. He was a pretty decent defensive player and he did hustle. As soon as the team was good enough to start their run of Division titles he was gone.

He was the kind of guy who should have been used for 100 games, or 300 PA’s a year. If you’re playing him everyday your team’s not that good.

Don Kelly is the 2010’s version of Shane Halter. Niko Goodrum is that guy now. If he’s getting major playing time your teams probably terrible.

Spahn_and_Sain
4 years ago
Reply to  tigerfannky

If you look at the core years where he appeared in at least 2/3rds of games (or 400+ PAs): ’04-’10 he put up 14.4 WAR in 7 seasons, a 2.05 average. Four of them on the cusp of 2 WAR, one 3+, one 4+, and one negative.
BRef rates him noticeably higher with an average of 2.8 over that stretch and (even the worst year as 1.0 WAR)
His career WAR/162 is 1.53 or 2.0 depending on source.

I think it would be safe to say ‘most years he was a 2ish WAR player.’

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I think a lot of it is just a player who played for the team for many, many years as a role player. You could probably derive a formula: X number of PAs minus Y number of WAR, with Y modified by a weight of some kind (not sure what that would be). Probably also minus strikeouts; fans hate strikeouts (call this the Rougned Odor clause). Maybe also modify for salary…I don’t think there are a lot of Pirates who love Gregory Polanco. Maybe guys who hit home runs but play bad defense and don’t get on base? (Joe Carter, Ruben Sierra)

So I went to the leaderboards, looked at PAs from 1990 to 2021 and tried to find the players with the lowest WAR and more than 4000 PAs. Most of these guys bounced around from team to team like Yuniesky Betancourt and were not loved by fans. So then I lowered it to 3000 and looked at specific teams. So aside from Joe Carter, a lot of the guys left are light-hitting guys: Mickey Morandini (Phillies), Jose Lopez (Mariners), Mark Lemke and Nick Markakis (Braves), Ozzie Guillen (White Sox, although after his managerial stint who knows what fans think of him now). Plus Ed Sprague (Blue Jays).

Hm, that doesn’t seem right either.

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

“call this the Rougned Odor clause”

Funny, I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who’s a Yankee fan. He actually claimed that Odor is the reason the Yankees have been able to stay competitive this year. When he saw the surprised look on my face, he mentioned how Odor has hit 12 home runs (now 13) and played solid defense at second. I mean, it’s hard to argue with logic like that. BTW, my friend has a Ph.D. So yeah…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I’m sure your friend is very knowledgeable about his field of study, and that his field of study is not particularly applicable to understanding the merits of on-base percentage.

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Actually, we were in grad school together in psychology which included lots of stats classes. So he definitely has the requisite skills, he’s just choosing not to apply them.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

“Let me explain this to you in terms of inaccurate but easily recalled heuristics…”

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

On that note, if we’re going with “Oddly beloved Yankees,” it’s hard to beat pre-steroids Melky Cabrera!

Jon L.Member since 2016
4 years ago

Odor’s been worth 0.9 fWAR in 274 PAs, which is more or less an average starter, but has a 126 wRC+ and .346 obp since June 18, meaning he’s been very good for a lot of weeks now. If real changes underlie that performance (more patience, using the opposite field, bunting to beat the shift), he may even be good going forward.

Meanwhile, he’s played second and third for a team that’s been riddled with injuries and underperformed for much of the season, helping cover second when it’s vacated because LeMahieu is needed at first, third when Urshela’s leg is balky or he’s covering short, filling important defensive roles while contributing offensively… (but I have a PhD too, so maybe we’re all just a little dumb?)

For that matter, Brandon Inge was a heck of a player when he hit a little bit (which he did for a couple of years), a superior third baseman and catcher with some pop. Even Lemke, once he developed into an excellent second baseman, was a relatively high-floor player, if not an ideal regular.

I was wondering if we’d see the likes of Vinny Castilla, Joe Carter, and Dante Bichette in here… Brock Holt and Mike Pagliarulo come to mind as guys more fitting the mold defined by this article. Pags in particular was loved by Yankees’ announcer Phil Rizzuto, and I’m sure some of that affection rubbed off on the fans. If the team and the guys covering a team like a player (as with Kawasaki above), that has to aid their popularity.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jon L.

Yeah, I was just thinking that in the place where he’s had the longest tenure (Texas) he is probably not beloved. Yankees fans liking him is out of scope of the theory. Joe Carter and Vinny Castilla did have some pretty good years, though, that I forgot about. Was Dante Bichette beloved?

Brock Holt is a bit of a different beast, since he would start off the year hot, get banged up, and then struggle dramatically in the second half. He was a good player but only for a brief period of time. Pagliarulo also was decent.

Lemke is weird because he was pretty awful early in his career but he kept getting chances and then turned into a barely adequate player. He didn’t play all that much but he came close to 2 wins most seasons on a rate basis.

Jon L.Member since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah, my Odor response is a bit more apt for the response to your post, which specifically referenced his Yankee tenure.

I think going back to the time before metrics were in wide use, lots of teams probably accidentally employed some pretty value-less players, especially if they looked the part or showed some promise. (Gregory Polanco is the rare exception still around in these days of metrics.)

I absolutely do think race often plays a role, unfortunately. Not to pick on Boston, but I remember back in the days when they loved Fred Lynn for being intermittently great and only frequently injured while resenting Jim Rice for not staying as great as he was supposed to be, they seemed to keep a pretty white bench.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jon L.

I think it’s totally okay to pick on Boston (and its fans) for its abysmal record on race. Jim Rice also started his career in the middle of the busing crisis in Boston, which probably made it even worse. Torii Hunter had a no-trade list so that he would never get traded to Boston. And the Red Sox organization was famously racist. The Red Sox also barely integrated their organization up until the 21st century. Apparently, they used to invite their white personnel to segregated clubs in spring training, and Tommy Harper won a settlement against the organization in 1986.

Mahoney
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Always was a big fan of Rice, in spite of all his GIDP in later years, because he was one tough hombre, and playing in that environment all those years is a big part of it.

Though the saberist in me sees in hindsight how his statistical value was overrrated, the fan in me was thrilled to see him elected to the Hall of Fame.

Bolton
4 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Rice was my favorite player as a kid. Though I was obsessed with baseball and read a newspaper every day, it wasn’t until he was retired that I learned he had any troubles in Boston. I guess that sort of disconnect couldn’t happen in today’s Twitter world. Fans obviously weren’t happy when he grounded into a double play, but I don’t recall anyone disliking Jim, and his reputation only grew when he rescued that child who got hit by a foul ball. Even when his hitting ability suddenly diminished, the fans in my world felt more sadness than anger or resentment.

MikeD
4 years ago

LoC, I don’t believe most Yankee fans have a strong opinion, nor a particular love or hate for Odor. He hasn’t been there long enough, or done enough good or bad to generate any passionate emotional response. What I will say is that he has been “less sucky” (I don’t have a Ph.D) than expected. Right at league-average hitting (100 wRC+), been solid defensively, and as another poster noted, he has a 126 wRC+ over the past six weeks when the Yankees have been playing better ball. Even before that, he had a number of big hits that wouldn’t show in wRC+ or WAR. Based on that, I can see why your friend, or even casual fans in general, might have a positive view of Odor, because for the most part it’s not undeserved during his short tenure on the Yankees. It’s easier to build a positive reputation when you’re starting from low expectations.

Rangers fans are no doubt the ones who have an emotional response to Odor, so it’s probably good that your team trades away players like that so you no longer have to worry about them, or wonder “why are you not as good as I thought you were?”

gnomezMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Guys with great defense but no other skills get followings as well. Brandon Inge, So Taguchi, Craig Gentry, Ryan Langerhans, Clint Barmes…

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  gnomez

Yes! Speed and defense really make for fan favorites I feel like.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  gnomez

I also would think that guys who have really unusual styles also get it. Unfortunately, the only two guys I can think of who just looked weird were Chris Sabo and Brian Wilson, both of whom were actually really good for two years. And to a lesser extent, John Olerud, a legitimate Hall of Fame candidate who many people probably remember for wearing the batting helmet in the field.

In that same category: Jim Abbott, who was an excellent pitcher but who routinely got ovations by opposing fans when he left the game. He probably would have been a fan favorite for the home team even if he wasn’t very good.

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I also think guys that look like they shouldn’t be professional ballplayers tend to get a lot of love. Probably because it makes us think that we could do it too. So guys like Bartolo Colon, John Kruk, Kirby Puckett, Tony Gwynn, etc.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

Yeah although all those guys were really good and Tony Gwynn was a start basketball player in college, so while he didn’t look great at least in his early career he was very athletic.

If we think a guy would be a beloved character because he was round and had something weird about him, then the guy who would have been absolutely beloved would be Antonio Alfonseca. He is a very large person and also has an extra finger on each hand. But then again he was a Marlin so we probably don’t have any people here who can confirm if he was a fan favorite or not.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m not sure the Marlins understand what a FAN is.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago

David Wells

formerly matt wMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  gnomez

Funny thing is that Gentry and Brett Phillips (mentioned in the article) rank out as excellent players by Fangraphs’ stats. Gentry had 7.9 fWAR in 1402 PA (and 3277 innings in the outfield, he was a defensive sub in 43% of his field appearances), Phillips has 3.6 WAR in 606 PA, and that rate of production is solidly above average.

Phillips has never been below average adding his Off and Def scores, even the years that he had a wRC+ below 50!

DougMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  gnomez

Jose Uribe comes to mind. Fraction of a WAR per season over the career, but he was definitely loved in San Francisco.

rhdx
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Guillen put up over 20 WAR in his first 10 years in the league. I think that is better than the ‘bad player’ moniker. I fully concede this was almost exclusively defensive value and that shortstops actually have to hit in today’s game, but he was a quality player in his day.

kylerkelton
4 years ago

Not a Tigers fan, just a casual observer, but I wouldn’t consider Inge a bad player. A bad hitter for his career sure, but because of the strength of his defense he was just slightly below average for his career and you would even consider his peak years “solid.”

tesseract19
4 years ago

There are very few and far in between examples when these “bad” players are international players (Kawasaki was an exception) It is usually a white player. Latino players rarely receive this type of “love” (Ojeda is from California). Usually the teams do a great job of promoting and selling their white players to the fan base but do little for their non-white counterparts.

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  tesseract19

Nah that’s simply not true. You’re falling victim to the logical fallacy of confirmation bias. You’re looking for race so you’re finding it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

It’s more likely a base rate fallacy. Over 80% of MLB players are white. We would expect at least 80% of the players who fit this description to be white.

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Thanks for clarifying trombone. Good point! I’ll have to remember that one.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

I mean, it could be confirmation bias, and it’s also possible that tesseract19 is correct. I’m guessing in this case it’s neither.

ClaydvMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It definitely could be the case tesseract19 is correct. Often when judging players, people ascribe traits like grit, hustle, and intangibles more often to white players, while unfairly reducing players of color as simply athletic or gifted. Due to the nature of this article’s genre of player being so difficult to define, it’s hard to statistically measure, but these biases definitely exist.

In a totally unscientific count, 31 of the 46 players I found mentioned in the article and comment thread to somewhat fit the mold described in the article present as white from what I can tell. So about two-thirds. This goes beyond the scope of grit and hustle to include fun personalities, unique names, great defense, etc.

Spahn_and_Sain
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

My early reply got swallowed in moderation (for including a link, I guess), but that number is well off.
Per the The 2021 Racial and Gender Report Card, MLB opening day rosters were 62.4% white (this is an increase of about 4% from only a couple years ago), 28.1% Hispanic, 7.6% Black, 1.4% Asian.

ZonkMember since 2016
4 years ago

I learned from Muni that a monkey never cramps, because of all the bananas. Who knew!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I think there’s also probably a place for players who are goofy as all get out. Although he had some problems because he’s clearly crazy, when he was being an upstanding citizen Nyjer Morgan’s “Tony Plush” persona endeared him to a lot of fans.

Although then again, he was also playing pretty well during his Tony Plush days.

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Braves fans currently like Guillermo Heredia I feel like. He has these little swords that he runs around with and it’s pretty funny. He’s also had a few good games. Fans also enjoyed the Panda hugs from Pablo Sandoval until he got released. Both guys have fun personalities. That’s definitely a big factor.

Edit: *traded but basically released

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

That Guillermo Heredia is still playing regularly is a testament to how miserable it is to find center fielders these days. If he’s popular he definitely belongs on this list, because he’s my go-to example for “you can’t possibly believe player X doesn’t deserve a shot, look at Guillermo Heredia.”

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He’s lost most of his playing time to Joc Pederson now but he still comes in as a defensive replacement (for Jorge Soler) in the late innings. Yeah he’s still around for the Braves simply because there’s no other good options that can play CF.

Pwn Shop
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Hunter Pence!

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  Pwn Shop

Yeah he was goofy but he was also good.

Pat ListachioMember since 2020
4 years ago

From some cursory googling, I have ascertained that Willie Bloomquist looks like Justin Verlander and Mark Zuckerberg’s love child

The Ancient Mariner
4 years ago
Reply to  Pat Listachio

Willie Bloomquist was definitely a big one that way for M’s fans (partly because he was a local kid). Munenori Kawasaki is as well–it’s not just Jays fans who remember him with great affection. There’s a regular poster on Lookout Landing who, before dropping the alias, posted as Munenori’s Lemonade Stand.

nomoredevil
4 years ago

Rays legend, the Great Pumpkin himself, Dan Johnson.

FrodoBeck
4 years ago

James Loney is the best Dodger example I can think of. He did have a couple ~2 win seasons but on the whole was a fairly mediocre 1B with a generally empty BA. And everyone loved him (at least that’s how I remember it).

David Klein
4 years ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

Mets fans thought he was better than Lucas Duda! Loney was so bad in 2016.

Kevbot034
4 years ago

Aaron Miles for the Cardinals was always a favorite of mine

bs3330aMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

I was at a Cards-Nats game at RFK in ’06 where Ramon Ortiz took a no hitter into the 9th only to have it broken up by Miles with a single up the middle. Closest I’ve ever gotten to seeing a no-no live. Right after, Albert Pujols hit an absolutely breathtaking moonshot to left and Ortiz was removed to a well-deserved standing-O.

gnomezMember since 2020
4 years ago

Inge was an unusual case though. He came up as a catcher (where he was a solid defender, even though he had been drafted as a shortstop) and then moved around the diamond everywhere when they signed Pudge before settling at third where he was an elite defender. It’s hard to call him a “bad” player during his peak years of solid but streaky power and excellent defense.

A lot of the “bad”players who become fan favorites do so because of their outsize personalities. Muni Kawasaki, Tim Dillard, Sal Fasano, Nyjer Morgan (ugh), Jose Lima: all guys who were just unique individuals. Somebody has to eventually pick up the Bob Uecker mantle. I’ve always been a big fan of players who were realistically too old to still be playing, too. Jamie Moyer not getting the chance to pitch at 50 was such a massive disappointment.

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  gnomez

Yeah old guys and fat guys definitely get more love from the fans. Bartolo (although he was still pretty good as an old guy). Pablo Sandoval. Julio Franco. Backup catchers like Sal Fasano (like you said), Eddie Perez, Gerald Laird.

BarnabasMember since 2016
4 years ago

Just baffling that Brock Holt! didn’t make this article

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Barnabas

Take a look at his first half / second half splits sometime back in his early Boston career. He regularly started off really strong, and then faded as the year went on (probably because he was always nicked up). I think one year he started so hot he made all-star team. Was that 2014? He had a 130 wRC+ or something in the first half that year and cratered in the second half.

Besides, the overall rate stats were good in 2014-2015, which was at the height of Holt-mania. And then he got a concussion or vertigo and it made him unplayable after that.

hayz11Member since 2021
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Nothing you say here is wrong, but as a Red Sox fan, Holt is immediately who came to mind as well. He had some nice stretches, but peaked as an average (2 win) player in 2014-15 like you mentioned and was never really expected to be anything other than a backup/utility player. But Boston fans loved him because of his upbeat attitude and the joy and hustle he played with. He and his family also did a ton of work in the community which certainly adds to it.
But as the author mentioned, he is an active player and she wasn’t looking at active players for this article so it’s kind of a moot point!

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  Barnabas

He’s still setting records! Slowest pitch ever!

rdizzleMember since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  Barnabas

Probably the only reason is that the author specified that she was only covering non-active players for this article

etcp
4 years ago

Twins fans’ love affair with Nick Punto lasted long after he left town, I think because he played like someone who needed to go all out every day to be on the team (which he did).

gnomezMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  etcp

He’s loved in St. Louis, too! Shredder!

BryzMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  etcp

Opinions of him during his career were a roller coaster, though. Four consecutive years where he alternated between being a good and a bad hitter. Funny thing, he was bad whenever he was handed a starting job, and was good whenever he came off the bench and replaced the injured/ineffective starter.

drdoctor
4 years ago

As a White Sox fan, the single year of Moises Sierra did it for me. He was a perfect foil for the drudgery and disappointment of one Conor Gillaspie.

Dmjn53
4 years ago

This article caused me to learn that David Ross had multiple 2 win and even a 3 win season as a backup catcher, all with wRC+ over 125. I did not remember him being that kind of player and with those numbers I’m surprised he never got more of a an opportunity to play

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago

I think a player’s salary/expectations are a huge part of the equation as well. Kawasaki was fairly pedestrian as was Vernon Wells (post-huge contract), but only one of those two had a mammoth contract and commensurately high expectations, while the other is and will be fondly remembered (Wells, perhaps only fondly remembered insofar as the Jays were able to foist that heinous contract onto the Angels).

See also Chris Davis (Baltimore) – I think he was well liked until the combination of god-awful play and huge dollars led to a groundswell clamoring for his benching or release.

I think a memorable name helps too, from a Tuffy Rhodes to a Bam Bam Meulens to a Wily Mo Pena.

CoryMC
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

They also represent different times in Blue Jays history. Wells, while a legit star early on, was only on a bunch of teams that were on the wrong side of history. Munenori represented a joyous return to contention that was, though brief, thrilling. One of the everlasting images is Munenori choking on a cigar celebrating and then screaming about having a “bush party”. He wasn’t even on the post-season roster.

justinpdove
4 years ago

Danny Espinosa for the Nats, methinks. I’m also going to attribute 75-80% of his belovedness to his crazy ability to grow fantastic ‘staches. The ‘stache was worth 1-2 WAR by itself in the preseason.

isntthisrichMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  justinpdove

Clearly you don’t read the same Nats fan blogs that I do, cause after his first year or so, it always seemed to me that Danny was one of the least liked Nats of his day. I didnt dislike him, but found him extremely disappointing. But there were many who took to calling him Danny the K.

But another guy who struck out about as often as Danny, but who I think was much more popular, was Michael A. Taylor. I loved yelling “Michael AAAAA!” when he came to bat. And he had the highlight reel defensive ability – like the last out of the 2019 divisional series vs the Dodgers. And he had a couple of huge post season HRs in his time with the Nats. When he signed as an FA with KC, I saw a lot of Nats fans on Twitter wishing him well, and telling Royals fans they’d love the guy. Nothing like that ever happened with Danny Espinosa.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  isntthisrich

Michael A is a regular on the Royals and is worth 1.2 fWAR so far this season. Nearly all defense and homers as usual. Sadly Victor Robles has been worth -.01 fWar so far this season. Michael A has better defensive stats than Robles as well. I was bummed to see the highlight reel leave town.

Bartolo Cologne
4 years ago

My quick litmus test for whether or not someone is a serious Padres fan is if they have fond memories of Eric Owens.

SaltyMember since 2017
4 years ago

As a Mets fan, I would add the following two players to the list:

Ty “Getting Wiggy With it” Wiggington and Endy Chavez – Chavez especially since he seemed destined to be another non-descript veteran OF to have a cup of coffee in Queens (there have been many). After “The Catch”, he will never be forgotten.

David Klein
4 years ago
Reply to  Salty

Young me thought Wiggy was good because he was gritty once I got into analytics a year or two later I was like wow Wiggy sucked! Endy was really good on ‘06 and really never was again after that year. .

SaltyMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

It’s a shame they didn’t win the WS the year of Endy’s catch. Considering his popularity within the clubhouse and overall personality, he could’ve easily been as beloved as Mookie.

SenorGato
4 years ago

Fans do as our lords, the owners and Disney, bid. We love “bad” players who are cheap and/or under sweet, powerful club control because the cap room = Potential and Upside if you think about. If that guy happens to do something clutch, he has provided Value and that is made only more valuable by a low salary. The more under control (read: lower) payroll is the the stronger both present and most important of all – Future – will be. Do you want a bad Future? I would hope not. We can keep inventing roles like in the NFL for these kind of players too so no one is anything more than technically a starter. Not so secretly most players Aren’t That Good especially those greedy ones nearing FA with their (rumored, usually unsourced and published by Disney) huge salary demands

PS Sorry, just think salary is slways a factor in how the league, writers, and franchises markets players and how fans perceive. Cool read

mhartzell415Member since 2025
4 years ago

“They may even function as a stand-in for ourselves” hits home for me. Sam Fuld was my guy – small L/L OF with a penchant for stats

Lee Phillimore
4 years ago
Reply to  mhartzell415

Still odd to think that my beloved “Super Sam” is now the GM of the Phillies

David Klein
4 years ago

Some Mets fans love Kevin Pillar because he came back two weeks after getting hit in the face with a pitch now that’s def a sign of toughness , but he’s been pretty terrible this year with a wRC+ of 70 and a obp in the 250’s yet there are some yahoo’s that think he’s better than Nimmo lol,

shaq_diesel
4 years ago

Derek Jeter too.

J. T.
4 years ago
Reply to  shaq_diesel

Jeter is deserving of the HOF, and is also one of the most overrated players in recent memory. Both things can definitely be true, and they are.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  J. T.

Yep – for better or worse, he was baseball’s Kobe.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago

On field, I’m guessing/hoping is what you’re getting at…

J. T.
4 years ago

People in Detroit all about Miggy getting to 500 HR….and here I am pissed he’s making $30M a year to give us awful production for the last 5 years. Not his fault, of course, that’s on team’s ownership. But still….he’s the biggest reason the Tigers have been one of the worst teams, only now in 2021 showing some signs of life. Yet people adore him.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  J. T.

He earned that adoration. Your must be just to young to remember! granted it was half a century ago now (slight exaggeration). but he earned it!

J. T.
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

No, I’m in my mid-30s….I was here for all of his career. Yes he was great, but that doesn’t make 5 years of 0 WAR and $150M in budget loss a good thing. I don’t like bad baseball, I don’t live in the past.

J. T.
4 years ago
Reply to  J. T.

he’s very much like Pujols….did plenty to make HOF, but the end of the career leaves a huge sour taste. Or even Griffey….we all remember the Mariner years, and forget how bad his production was for Cincy. I’m not mad at Miggy, not his fault, not his problem

Momus
4 years ago
Reply to  J. T.

That contract extension went bad basically immediately. His last year as a legitimately great player was the first year of the extension and every year since has just been an absolute disaster. The crazy thing is that EVERYONE knew it the minute that contract was announced. Nobody expected any year of that contract to be good, and they were right.

kjfries27
4 years ago

How can you leave out the Baby Shark Gerardo Parra and his .234/.293/.391 2019 WS season?? He’s the ultimate one, they even put the shark on the WS ring. And yes, I am a totally unbiased Nationals fan

mikejuntMember
4 years ago

“Who has never seen an image of Brett Phillips in airplane mode and not smiled?”

That would be us, the Dodger fans.

hopbittersMember since 2020
4 years ago

Many years ago, I happened across a site called “The Futility Infielder” curated by some guy named Jaffe and it paid homage to my favorite uh, let’s go with “not quite Hall of Fame caliber” player, Luis Sojo. I’m sure Mariners fan have some endearing memories of him, too, but I will fondly recall him as the greatest Yankee shortstop of his era. I mean, sure, there was that other guy who maybe got a few more starts, but who actually remembers him?

Sleepy
4 years ago

I think I sports hate the exact type of player you’re talking about–the (relatively) no-talent try-hard whose uniform is always dirty (usually because they unnecessarily dive for the sole purpose of getting their uniform dirty).

Augie Ojeda? Sports hate.

Nick Punto? Sports hate.

Neifi Perez? Sports hate.

MikeD
4 years ago

Should Inge be the poster child here for “bad” baseball player? Depending on your WAR of choice, he has a 14.5 fWAR or a 19.2 rWAR. I’m not a Tigers fan, so I don’t have much to say about Inge on an emotional level beyond I don’t believe he was a bad baseball player. Perhaps he hung on too long and valued too highly in his latter years based on what he did during his peak.

CheeseballMember since 2016
4 years ago

You didn’t mention John McDonald, the Jays’ all-glove, no bat SS, deeply beloved by fans for his craftsmanship on the field and soulful eyes.

seanski91
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheeseball

Thank you for mentioning Johnny-Mac! Fan favorite during some tough years

Oh, Beepy.Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheeseball

The Father’s Day homer cannot be quantified with stats but it’s burned into Toronto baseball just as much as jumpin joe carter or the bat flip.

Momus
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheeseball

The Jays have had a bunch of these kind of guys.
Johnny Mac
Kawasaki
Sprague
Borders
Alex Gonzales (the other one)
Gustavo Chacin
Josh Phelps
Manny Lee
Todd Stottlemyre

…although it’s probably inaccurate to call most of these guys “bad” players. They were mostly just mediocre with flashes of good play but beloved by Jays fans.

Steven
4 years ago

Dating myself but Jose Cardenal was a huge fan favorite for 70’s Cubs fans. Quite a character

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2026
4 years ago

I think Stephen Vogt deserves a nod. He paid his dues in the minors and when he finally got a real shot at the majors he endeared himself to A’s fans with his sense of humor and a few clutch hits.

res
4 years ago

Cubs have like 5 of these types starting right now.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  res

Leading the league in ScAR (scrappiness above replacement) by a fair piece…

mikejuntMember
4 years ago

I’m pretty late to the party here but I think this phenomenon has a lot to do with the junction of circumstances and expectations, which tend to align for this kind of player.

This player profile – the long-standing, Ok-ish to kind of bad utility player – tends to not play a lot unless something’s not going well for the team (lots of injuries, etc). When that happens, expectations for them tend to be low, because people intellectually recognize they’re not very good.

If they then exceed those very-low expectations, they’re heroes, because they both did more than people expected and because the team -really- needed it.

Throw in a sizable helping of those guys often being hardworking ‘play the game the right way’, ‘work ethic over talent’ types, and you have a recipe to win over most fans.

This thread is filled with examples of guys who weren’t particularly notable but from whom basically nothing was expected and real contributions have been had (Odor with the Yankees has a long thread here). The other profile are ‘decent average-ish dudes who were with teams when they were terrible before they were good’. There’s a whole discussion here about Brandon Inge just being an average-ish player, but he started when the Tigers had basically none of those, and lasted until they were Actually Competitive and was still a contributor.

Those two profiles really encompass a lot of this kind of fan affection.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

I mentioned Melky in the Odor thread; but I wanted to give a quick shout out to Ronald Torreyes and end-of-the-line Raul Ibanez, haha!

Empty batting average+flashy plays, and old man signing with some huge hits.

Mike Tauchman’s a recent one, as well.

RobM
4 years ago

I just went and looked up Ibanez to refresh my memory. He played for the Yankees for all of one season, was not a popular player at the start, yet ended with an above-average wRC+ and then had some very big postseason hits that led to some deserved curtain calls. I don’t think he fits the criteria here at all.

matth47
4 years ago

I have a Joe Beimel bobble head from his time with the Dodgers.

The fans decided they wanted a Beimel giveaway instead of one for young stars like Russell Martin or Matt Kemp.

The heart wants what the heart wants.

South DetroitMember since 2020
4 years ago

Loved this article! Very familiar with the Don Kelly and Brandon Inge love fest in Detroit. The perception of scrappiness goes a long way towards creating cult sports icons in Detroit area.

One interesting metric could be jersey sales if there was ever a public record of those. I just read a USA Today article stating that Enrique Hernandez has the ninth highest selling jersey since 2020…this despite an 83 RC+ in shortened season and 88 in 2019 and 101 career.

But fits your model of playoffs, utility, etc.

Hernandez isn’t a “bad” player at the level of the Inge’s and various names in this thread. But he isn’t the 9th best player in baseball either. Would be interesting to see where some of these local legends ranked in MLB or their own team’s jersey sales during their peak fandom seasons.

Interesting topic. Thank you!

Josh
4 years ago

The Eckstein Quotient accounts for a lot of these players (ie, white fans fixate on a mediocre white player because … well do the math); but some are truly engaging, endearing personalities. As a fanboy for the Ian Desmond Danny Espinosa days in Washington, I know the strangeness of rooting for guys you also, objectively, wish were not on your team.

joehieronymus
4 years ago

Came here just to nominate Jarrod Dyson. Because that’s what speed do.

Joey CaltrainMember since 2019
4 years ago

As a young Giants fan, these players were what defines the early- to mid-2010s dynasty for me. We found the darndest players to surround our core, and it should never have worked. But we had so many deep postseason runs that a number of journeymen got Brett Phillips-like opportunities to randomly come through with the weight of the organization on their shoulders. As many of my memories are of guys like Travis Ishikawa, Cody Ross, and Gregor Blanco as of core players like Lincecum and Posey. Or the revolving door at second base seemingly every season, with Freddy Sánchez and Jeff Keppinger and Marco Scutaro and God knows who else. Or Ryan Vogelsong coming back out of nowhere to become a steady member of the rotation. It was just constant.

Seriously, how did those teams do as well as they did?

gtagomoriMember since 2017
4 years ago

Alex Cora want “bad”. He just wasn’t good enough to play regularly. But LA fans LOVED him because he’d sacrifice his body for a HBP at every chance …..plus that one AB with the 14(?) fouled off pitches ending with an HR.

amartin
4 years ago

It has the same effect on players who should be remembered as good but not great. Look at Derek Jeter for instance, everyone here by now should know he was mediocre to bad at defense, but we can also all picture his highlight plays as well.

As a Mariners fan Jay Buhner stands out as a guy who in my memory was way better than he actually was. I’m sure part of that is age (I started cheering for the Mariners when I was 5 years old and wanted to be Griffey), so realistically I don’t have a good memory of where Buhner actually was, but man do I remember him!

Sultan of Say
4 years ago

I seem to recall Joey Cora getting a lot of love from Mariners fans in the 90s. He played 11 seasons with a WAR total of 3.8.

amartin
4 years ago
Reply to  Sultan of Say

Totally! I almost put his name in with Buhner on my comment haha

BurleighGrimesMember since 2026
4 years ago

Mets legends Benny Agbayani and Wilmer Flores!!!