Why Team Israel Isn’t a Surprise
If nothing else, Team Israel looked like a nice little story for the World Baseball Classic. It was their first time qualifying for the event, but they lacked the name recognition on their roster to be considered a serious threat. Being thrown into a pool with Chinese Taipei, the Netherlands, and South Korea — teams that feature players from high-level professional leagues — felt nearly insurmountable. But here we are, with Israel already having qualified for the next round following wins over Korea and Taipei. Their showdown tonight with the Dutch team’s loaded infield may be something of a reality check. Nevertheless, Team Israel’s success shouldn’t be a surprise. They’re legit.
There isn’t a prototypical star on Israel’s roster. They weren’t able to bring in a top-tier Jewish talent like Ryan Braun. But what Team Israel does boast is the benefit of having more than a few big-league players in the lineup — and some of the best players in the minors, as well. Ike Davis isn’t hitting 30 homers in the big leagues anymore, but he’s still better than most of the professional players in the world. Cody Decker, Nate Freiman, Sam Fuld, Ty Kelly, Ryan Lavarnway, Jason Marquis, and Josh Zeid are better than most of the professional players in the world. They’ve reached higher highs than most of their competition.
Korea lacks Jung-ho Kang. They don’t have Jae-gyun Hwang or Hyun-soo Kim or Byung-ho Park, either. The players of the KBO are good — probably about Double-A level on average — but the team doesn’t have the best eligible players on the roster. Baseball in Taipei is probably the rough equivalent of A-ball. Israel doesn’t have a domestic league. Their national team, however, is composed largely of Triple-A and MLB talents.
Our initial biases are shaped by the fact that we know that baseball thrives in Asia and that the concept of a Team Israel is an unfamiliar, without a known impact talent on the roster. The names of Team Korea and Team Chinese Taipei are unknown to us, but because we know of the existing leagues, we assume their talent and supremacy over players who have fallen out of grace in the big leagues, or have never been able earn a long-term call-up.
Team Israel is good at baseball. It’s composed of talented players who’ve have played at a high level. The teams from Korea and Taipei are, too. But we forget just how good Double-A is and how good Triple-A is, even though, at times, those levels are cast in the light of baseball purgatory.
The Netherlands will be a mighty test for Israel tonight. But whether or not the latter club wins, they’re in. They’re moving on to the next round. And goodness knows they’ve earned it.
Team Israel wasn’t an underdog. They were an underappreciated force of baseball, and they’ve claimed their stake in the Classic.
Nick is a columnist at FanGraphs, and has written previously for Baseball Prospectus and Beyond the Box Score. Yes, he hates your favorite team, just like Joe Buck. You can follow him on Twitter at @StelliniTweets, and can contact him at stellinin1 at gmail.
Yeah, pretty much. It would be cool if Team Israel won the whole tournament. It will also be cool if Jason Marquis can use the WBC exposure to return to the bigs. Same for Bruce Chen of team China. Chen also represented Panama in the past.
I wonder what percentage of Team Israel players have ever been to Israel?
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/213020126/world-baseball-classic-team-visits-israel/
Oh, nice, they took a team trip to Israel in January. Still, it is really weird for “Team Israel” to be composed entirely of players who have never lived in Israel. Same deal with Italy.
Hey now, Shlomo Lipetz was born in Tel Aviv.
There are a handful players on Team Italy who were born and raised in Italy. An infielder named “Alessandro” … something … comes to mind. I remember him as one guy that Anthony Rizzo drove in on a go-ahead double in 2013.
Good question. Israel has a lot more talent than most other teams in the tournament. As long as players elect to play for them, they will not be underdogs. Kind of the exact opposite of the Cuba team!
Surely you’re at least surprised that Korea lost its first two games and Israel won its first two? I was shocked.
The hero of Game 1 was Scott Burcham, who played half a season at low A Asheville. Lexington reliever Gabe Cramer is another SAL representative.
I know I didn’t even bat an eyebrow. Even more so for Taiwan.
This is ridiculous. Ignoring the fact that the best players on Team Israel aren’t actually Israeli is insane.
Your list of Korean players is a list of players who are actually from Korea.
Aside from baseball I’m an avid soccer fan. This is common practice in international soccer competition. There are countries importing teenagers with the hope of getting them on their respective national teams.
In all seriousness can we just get over that though? This is fun. Represent the flag you want to for the pride of said nation or people. I’m American born and given the chance I would have a hard time choosing between playing for team USA or the country my parents hail from. Either would be a great honor to my family.
Now we’re getting in the weeds, but you’re American born and your parents were born somewhere else, and you’d feel a lot of pride competing for a third, unrelated country? Why?
edit: so to take my daughter as an example: her mother’s Chinese Indonesian. So she should be eligible for Team India because she’s Buddhist?
You either missed my point or I didn’t get it across how I wanted to. But either way these are minor details.
International competition in sports are a huge deal to everyone but Americans. I will be rooting hard for Team USA and I hope you do too.
How did you miss the meaning of his comment? He said he’d either represent the US or the country where his parents were born. There’s no 3rd country mentioned in this scenario.
If you want to use an analogy, at least phrase your analogy properly.
The edit to your comment makes the comment make even less sense. Only 0.8% of people from India are Buddhists. This is even less than the 1.2% of people living in the US. Buddhists are primarily from China, Japan, Vietnam, Myanmar, Korea, Sri Lanka and Cambodia. The only reason India even is on any list of Buddhist populations is that 0.8% of a few billion people is a ton of Buddhists.
If your daughter was Hindu, that would make sense, because 78% of Indian people are Hindu. 17% are Muslim, 2.2% Christian, and 1.6% Sikh and then Buddhist finally comes in.
But on to the topic at hand, why can’t someone play for a country they feel some sort of attachment to? My family is very Scottish, and I have more items with the Scottish flag on it than I do the American flag. It doesn’t mean I am less proud of being American as much as it means I am proud of my family heritage, where we came from, and how we got here.
Because Scottish law doesn’t allow you to be a Scottish citizen just because your great grandparents left Scotland for the US 100+ plus years ago.
Israeli law does if you’re Jewish. It’s that simple.
So I guess you missed the really obvious point: no one should be surprised that a team of Americans is good at baseball.
Good point. I am not sure that this is right or ethical, but it is some sort of precedent.
All practicing Jews and descendants of Jewish people who do not practice another religion are eligible for Israeli citizenship.
Not non-Orthodox converts. Not people with Jewish fathers and non-Jewish mothers.
really? So I guess Ryan Braun and Ian Kinsler were in fact ineligible for Team Israel as both of their mothers are Christian.
Are the citizenship requirements the same as WBC requirements?
Yes, the WBC allows a player who is eligible for citizenship in a country to play for its team, even if they are not and have no intention of becoming citizens.
This seems to be done specifically to allow countries like Israel and Italy to stock up their teams with better players, because otherwise there wouldn’t be enough decent teams in the tournament. So complaining about Israel’s players not being Israeli is somewhat beside the point; it’s supposed to work this way.
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That’s not true.
Bruce Chen started yesterday for China, and Bruce Chen is exactly as Chinese as Ike Davis is Israeli. No one is checking passports here.
If it is your nationality, then you are eligible to play. By your logic, Yu Darvish would not be allowed to play for Iran (if they were ever to field a team) because he was born in Japan, despite the fact that he is half-Iranian.
If the purpose of the tournament is to grow the game internationally, I think they’re accomplishing that. The broadcast and one of the gifs above shows Israelis traveling across the world to Korea to watch a sport that’s very new to them, which seems in line with what the tournament is trying to do. Fans in Korea aren’t going to stop liking baseball if their team loses
There are multiple countries with Christian and Muslim majorities in the world, but only one where Jews are the majority. That combined with rampant anti-semitism across the globe forcing many jews to leave their original country, has led to Israel having a very unique law which grants every verifiable jewish person in the world automatic Israeli citizenship.
Thus, all Jews are Israeli whether you live there (or have ever stepped foot there) or not.
That’s not true. All Jews are ELIGIBLE for Israeli citizenship, which is different from actually having it.
So the argument here is that all the players in the tournament are good at baseball, therefore no team may ever be called a “surprise”? Uh, okay.
I think it is more nuanced than that. While South Korea, Taiwan, Panama, and Colombia all have produced MLB players from those nations, and Israel has not. Due to WBC eligibility standards, team Israel actually has more talented and experienced players despite the fact that nobody considers Israel to be a baseball powerhouse.
Yes, that would’ve been a more intelligent thing for an article to say!
I promise to let it go after this but let us consider this absolutely awful paragraph:
“Our initial biases are shaped by the fact that we know that baseball thrives in Asia and that the concept of a Team Israel is an unfamiliar, without a known impact talent on the roster. The names of Team Korea and Team Chinese Taipei are unknown to us, but because we know of the existing leagues, we assume their talent and supremacy over players who have fallen out of grace in the big leagues, or have never been able earn a long-term call-up.”
Even leaving aside the sub-undergraduate garbled prose, this is just a pile of question-begging. Israel is a surprise to “us,” we are told, because “we” purportedly think all of these things… but no evidence is provided that anyone actually thinks these things. If the point is just that Israel is fielding a team of quad-A types and that that makes it a very good baseball team by international standards, it’d be a lot easier just to say that.
Taiwan has about 20 players play in minor and we also have Wei-yin Chen. But only one of them joins Team Taiwan this year. Some best players in the domestic league didn’t play for Team Taiwan either.
Taiwan’s best hitter and 2016 MVP Po-Jung Wang is one of them. He’s only 23 now and very likely could become the first posted player to MLB when he hits 25.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR2ir2RoMhY
He’s probably like Nori Aoki with 20 HR power if develops well.
I saw the NC Dinos in an exhibition against the University of Arizona. The Dinos did not look like a AA team, more like a combo of short season, collegiate, and high A-AA. Basically a mix of players in different developmental stages and polish. My guess is that the majority could not crack a AA roster. Don’t know much about KBO, is this typical?
The KBO’s average starting lineup quality is somewhere between Double-A and Triple-A because many american players who have done well in Triple-A also have done well in the KBO (Eric Thames, Nick Evans, and more)
This really is a reminder of how talented replacement level players in MLB are relative to the rest of the baseball world.
Could of used this information beforehand when they were 200/1 at the sports book!
Sure wish Braun and Kinsler would have chosen to play for Team Israel. Isn’t Kipnis half jewish ? Scherzer ?
Joc Pederson, Danny Valencia and Kevin Pillar would help too.
Alex Bregman!
Scherzer isn’t Jewish. Kipnis (and Paul Goldschmidt!) each have a Jewish parent but are practicing Christians, which I believe would make them ineligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return.
I was going to recommend the Jewish Baseball News “Not a Jew” page for this, but it lists Dylan Axelrod with the players of Jewish ancestry who don’t consider themselves Jewish, and there he is on Team Israel. Hmmm. Maybe by that light Kipnis and Goldschmidt would be eligible, if they wanted.
Your level of religiousness is not relevant. If Tim Tebow had a jewish grandma he’d be eligible too.
The Israeli website I was looking at said that Jews who had converted to another religion were not eligible, but it also seemed to suggest that your mother had to be Jewish to make you eligible which I’m pretty sure is not correct. So I’m not sure.
Why does Team Israel get to contract players who aren’t…y’know, from Israel?
I put together a model to simulate the tournement myself using KBO, CPBL, and MiLB stats among others. I had Israel at 44% and Korea 43% to advance to the 2nd round.
https://travisrpetersen.shinyapps.io/wbc_predictions/
Well, pretty much all the players for Korea and Taiwan are actually from that country or whose parents were. Israel consists mainly of players who are American who are Jewish or loosely connected to Jewish just having a distant relative or spouse who is Jewish is enough). That gives them a pool of 100 or so players to choose from.
Also, both Taiwan and Korea dont seem to have some of the best MLB ers. Guys like Chen, Wang, Kang, Kim, Choo. Taiwan was also a bit of a mess with a conflict between the organizers and their professional league so they dont even have all their best domestic players. They didnt even book indoor training facilities in Korea until too late.
That said I cant say I am surprised or not surprised since I never gave it much thought. Perhaps if they beat Netherlands and do well in the next round I will. Stupid mlb.tv blacks me out in Taiwan so I wont be watching it
Honest question: would the Vatican probably/possibly be able to fill a pretty damn good team under these rules?
At the moment, I’m only seeing a few active player names listed in Wikipedia, but I’m guessing that list would be significantly longer if people cared enough to self-identify as Catholic, and someone thought it relevant enough to write down (especially given Catholicism in Central American countries; for instance, the Dominican is somewhere around 40% Catholic).
I don’t think just any Catholic is eligible for Vatican citizenship, so not sure your analogy is valid?
While I appreciate the Office Space reference, the timing seems a bit off.
Ah, yeah. I guess the Ron Livingston line was at the forefront of my mind because of the article. Username in combination with the subject and the times being what they are… should’ve thought that out. My bad for joining and posting first thing in the morning.
Wasn’t meant as an analogy, exactly; further flying the ignorance flag: I had no idea Jews were automatically eligible for Israeli citizenship. I can see how this’d devolve into a pissing match between faiths or something, though.
yes let’s definitely get into an extended discussion about the overlaps and distinctions between religion, culture, ethnicity, and nationality by making weird Holocaust jokes and “just asking questions” in this discussion of a silly baseball tournament, that will surely make all of us much happier
I think Bill James said something along the lines of “a team full of average players is a powerhouse.”