Why We Still Don’t Have a Great Command Metric

To start, we might as well revisit the difference between command and control, or at least the accepted version of that difference: control is the ability to throw the ball into the strike zone, while command is the ability to throw the ball to a particular location. While we can easily measure the first by looking at strike-zone percentage, it’s also immediately apparent that the second skill is more interesting. A pitcher often wants to throw the ball outside of the zone, after all.

We’ve tried to put a number on command many different ways. I’m not sure we’ve succeeded, despite significant and interesting advances.

You could consider strikeout minus walk rate (K-BB%) an attempt, but it also captures way too much “stuff” to be a reliable command metric — a dominant pitch, thrown into the strike zone with no command, could still earn a lot of strikeouts and limit walks.

COMMANDf/x represented a valiant attempt towards solving this problem by tracking how far the catcher’s glove moved from the original target to the actual location at which it acquired the ball. But there were problems with that method of analysis. For one, the stat was never made public. Even if it were, however, catchers don’t all show the target the same way. Chris Iannetta, for example, told me once that his relaxation moment, between showing a target and then trying to frame the ball, was something he had to monitor to become a better framer. Watch him receive this low pitch: does it seem like we could reliably affix the word “target” to one of these moments, and then judge the pitch by how far the glove traveled after that moment?

How about all those times when the catcher is basically just indicating inside vs. outside, and it’s up to the pitcher to determine degree? What happens when the catcher pats the ground to tell him to throw it low, or exaggerates his high target? There are more than a few questions about an approach affixed to a piece of equipment, sometimes haphazardly used.

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The results of COMMANDf/x were also interesting from another viewpoint. They suggested that the average pitcher missed his spots by 13 inches, and that even the best pitcher (Dallas Keuchel, in that particular sample), throwing a fastball on a 3-0 count, missed the glove by almost 10 inches. Most catchers and pitchers who’ve heard this factoid from me have laughed and then expressed their disagreement in some form or another.

You could take away from those last numbers that command is overrated and we should focus on stuff. That might be a good takeaway, considering how difficult it is to command a pitch. One degree of difference in your release angle on the mound means a foot of difference at the plate. Even if we do our best, our bodies and our mechanics are complicated enough to make multiple degrees of difference upon release an inescapable reality.

Or maybe we need to get better at measuring command.

Baseball Prospectus has a great stat called Called Strikes Above Average that attempts to strip out all sorts of context to see the what effect the pitcher has on the probability of a called strike. That’s awesome! It even strips out the effect of the catcher’s framing, which is important to all of this. One thing it doesn’t do right now, though? Account for the swinging strike. Some pitchers get called strikes with command, some use their command to coax a swing out of the better.

One method that I’ve found compelling in the past is Bill Petti’s Edge statistics. He described a location that was the width of a baseball inside the strike zone as the edges and then tracked which pitchers were able to hit that location.

The latest rollout of new Statcast stats and search functions has updated those Edge stats to create a new zone that also includes a baseball’s width on the outside of the zone. Enlarging the target area to just outside as well as inside the zone makes sense. You often want to put that ball just outside the batter’s reach, especially on a swinging-strike count.

So, let’s look at the list of pitchers who can best put the ball within a ball’s width of the strike zone, and let’s limit it to counts where the pitcher is ahead. Presumably, in those cases, the pitcher isn’t trying to throw to the middle of the zone to get a strike.

Best Edge-Throwers in 2017
Player Results Total Pitches % of Pitches
Michael Pineda 79 333 23.7
Clay Buchholz 33 144 22.9
Kyle Gibson 69 303 22.8
Jason Vargas 64 283 22.6
Matt Shoemaker 84 376 22.3
Rick Porcello 91 414 22.0
Chris Sale 93 425 21.9
Tyler Skaggs 80 371 21.6
Joe Musgrove 79 367 21.5
Aaron Nola 59 275 21.5
Brandon McCarthy 75 354 21.2
Dan Straily 71 336 21.1
Kyle Hendricks 58 276 21.0
Rich Hill 27 129 20.9
Tommy Milone 61 292 20.9
Jameson Taillon 78 375 20.8
Matt Andriese 78 377 20.7
Chase Anderson 73 354 20.6
Clayton Kershaw 78 381 20.5
Marco Estrada 82 403 20.4
Francisco Liriano 44 217 20.3
Counts: 0-1, 0-2, 1-1, 1-2, 2-2
Zones: within a ball’s width of the edge of the strike zone in all four quadrants

It’s a weird list. Anyone who watched a Michael Pineda start last year — including our own Nick Stellini — would have sworn that command was his problem. Pineda, of course, produced excellent strikeout and walk rates. He also allowed way more runs than his fielding-independent numbers would have suggested he should. Why? Because he allowed loud contact when he wasn’t missing bats. The sort of loud contact, you’d think, that results from missing a spot.

Perhaps, then, it’s because this edge-throwing methodology doesn’t account for the fact that Pineda’s misses are middle-middle? Pineda was 167th out of 238 in hitting the very middle of the zone in these counts, and is 67th out of 73 so far this year. I don’t think that’s it. He threw his slider middle-middle 37th-most out of 117 qualifiers last year. Is that it? Slider command? Is it possible that Pineda can miss bats, limit walks, hit the edges better than almost anyone… and yet lack great command?

And then there’s the relationship of stuff and command in the other direction. If you don’t have great stuff, you have to live closer to the zone and try to get called strikes. Do Kyle Gibson, Jason Vargas, and Tommy Milone have great command, or are they nibblers who have to take little picks and pecks at the zone and make sure they get no closer? Would it change your mind if you knew that nobody has a higher edge-of-zone minus heart-of-zone percentage this year than Gibson? Maybe, in this case, nibbling is command, and it’s a lack of raw stuff that’s hurting us from understanding it as such.

Our sniff test is all we have in these cases, and while it’s nice to see Clayton Kershaw on here — he’s the first name out of any pitcher’s mouth these days during a discussion on command — there’s also Francisco Liriano. Nobody’s paragon of command.

I don’t know how many times I’ve stifled a cuss word during a Rich Hill start, when he can’t find the zone with his fastball — even while he’s hitting his spots with his curveball. So that brings up fastball vs. secondary command, which can greatly vary from pitcher to pitcher. Most pitchers have better fastball command than breaking-ball command, it’s just Hill alone on that mountain.

It’s tempting to zero in on fastball command, but even when you re-do that list from above for only fastballs, you’ll get your head scratchers (Vince Velasquez and Tyler Glasnow?). Maybe they were aiming for low and inside and it ended up low and outside.

The core problem may be unsolvable. In order to best judge command, you’d have to know exactly what the pitcher intended to do with the ball. Without being able to ask each pitcher, we’re left guessing at their intent, and that’s what causes our issues. Is intent where the catcher puts his mitt? Can we use the count to guide our attempt to understand intent? Is command the same for different pitches?

It seems the best approach would account for as many factors as possible, and it might even need to be run by humans. It might not be measured in inches missed or balls put in a certain zone. Maybe it’s best treated as a binary question! Did the pitcher achieve his intent or not?

Perhaps a human could score a game with a few designations — things like hung (secondary pitches too high in the zone on swinging counts), yanked (dirt or low), way off (completely different zone than intended), just missed, missed, and nailed — that he can put on each pitch. A human can watch and say something like “Well, it was clear he wanted that outside and he got it outside but not far enough, or too far” versus “Yeah that was low like he wanted, but low and inside instead of low and outside.” Perhaps we’d differentiate between “missed high/low” and “missed inside/outside.” Perhaps we’d be able to talk about a pitcher’s command to different sides of the plate, and differentiate between guys who hang secondaries and those that miss vertically or horizontally.

Without that human to judge the pitch, it’s really hard, if not impossible, to figure out exactly what that pitcher meant to do. And that’s a prerequisite for judging command.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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ForrestMember since 2016
9 years ago

It’ll probably end up with the same issue but you could try edge% – heart% to remove guys like Pineda

ForrestMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Progress! I’m tempted to say the next step would be to look at edge-heart in hitter-favored counts (want to get strikes while guys are looking to swing), but maybe that’s getting too into the weeds.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Maybe Michael Pineda actually does have good command but has poor results as a result of a) having a flat fastball, as measured by his poor vertical movement and b) bad luck, as represented by his low LOB% in recent years.

kharbaugh
9 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

Recent studies have shown that having a flatter fastball leads to more missed bats as velocity rises though. He does throw hard, so I wouldn’t be comfortable blaming his relatively eh results by basic numbers to a flat fastball. Not in his case.

antone
9 years ago
Reply to  Forrest

I’m still waiting on the Will to Win metric. Oh, not that heart%?

YKnotDisco
9 years ago

Eno, I’m curious as to what you think of the following quotes:

CONTROL: “Control is the ability of a pitcher to locate his pitches”.

COMMAND: “Command is the ability of the pitcher to make the ball move the way it is intended to move. For example, when a pitcher has good ‘command’, his curveball will always curve, his slider won’t “hang” and his 2-seamer will sink. ‘Command’ refers to the action of the pitch”.

“I liken the difference between ‘control’ and ‘command’ to driving a car. The pedals are the ‘command’ center. You ‘command’ the car to stop and go at different speeds. While doing so, you ‘control’ the location of the car with the steering wheel. Much like a pitcher would ‘command’ his arm to throw a curve, and ‘control’ its location”.

FrancoLuvHateMets
9 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

I’ve always understood control to mean the ability to throw strikes/limit walks. Even if it meant just the guy can aim middle middle and his pitch will land somewhere in the strike zone. Command meant the guys could aim all his pitches at a specific area and get it there relatively close.

Jeff ZimmermanFanGraphs Staff
9 years ago

This is the standard definition.

bennyb
9 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Zimmerman

I’ve always been confused (or annoyed) when these words are used interchangeably or without clarity as to what analysts/broadcasters are actually trying to describe. I think it’s time to remove ‘Control’ from our vocabulary as pitchers do not make the MLB without it. ‘Command’ is what differentiates the good from the great.

Aaron Judge's Gavel
9 years ago

Yep that’s it. To relate it to scientific terms, I always thought that control = accuracy while command = precision.

http://cdn.antarcticglaciers.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/precision_accuracy.png

bawfuls
9 years ago

What would low accuracy high precision even look like in the context of pitching though?

jfree
9 years ago
Reply to  bawfuls

A pitcher who continually throws it into the dirt. And when you ask wth are you doing replies ‘I really hate worms more than I like baseball’.

Aaron Judge's Gavel
9 years ago
Reply to  bawfuls

I’d say something like being able to consistently bury a slider in the dirt when you want to. Inaccurate since it’s out of the zone, but shows command if that’s what the intent is. Same goes for an 0-2 or 1-2 high FB out of the zone. If the pitcher has a guy 0-2 and tries to climb the ladder 0-2 and the hitter doesn’t offer, and then 1-2 the catcher taps his glove on the ground and the pitcher buries a breaking ball, I think that’d be low accuracy / high precision, which is exactly what the pitcher is going for in those cases.

The top left low accuracy / low precision would be an “effectively wild” guy where he doesn’t really know where the pitch is going.

High accuracy / low precision would be your (pre-2017) Pineda where he never walks anyone but leaves too much crap middle-middle.

If one has good command, then it would follow that he could throw the ball in the zone when he wanted to and also outside the zone when he wanted to. The avg zone rate is under 50% otherwise pitchers would get crushed, so accuracy/control isn’t everything (Pineda is exhibit A). I know he got knocked around a bit last night but that was one of the main reasons I was intrigued by Jason Vargas: so far this year he is attacking the zone at an above average rate while allowing much less contact in the zone than the league average. Of course Kershaw does this same thing every year like clockwork… except this year, not really so far.

jianadaren
9 years ago
Reply to  bawfuls

I think this is what low accuracy, high precision looks like:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kyle-hendricks-walked-tommy-milone-on-four-pitches/

AdamMember since 2017
9 years ago

Great shout, I was going to post a near identical figure…

EonADSMember since 2024
9 years ago

As somebody who used to pitch in high school and early in college, this is fascinating to me. I never realized just how hard it would be to measure C&C for a pitcher. Great article as always Eno.

RedsManRickMember since 2020
9 years ago

Though still not conclusive of course, it would be interesting to see the inverse of the edge-thrower analysis. Something alone the lines of just “bad miss rate” — rate of middle-middle pitches on counts other than 0-0 and 3-0. And if you wanted, you could use as a denominator just pitches in the zone — though that might bias against guys with good control, since wild misses are more likely to be out of the zone entirely than middle-middle

NathanLazarus
9 years ago

Although better, humans seem far from perfect at this. Broadcasters often call a perfect front door slider or curveball at the knees a “hanging breaking ball” if it yields a hit. I think the easiest command metric is to look at clustering on pitch charts—pitchers tend to try and do the same things with their pitches. Some pitchers love the high and tight fastball, others the low and away, but no one intends for there to be gradation in between. Here’s Mariano’s cutter against lefties: he didn’t miss by much.comment image

bensnider94
9 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Would you have to consider different pitches differently? Like fastballs could live with being more spread, but a curve would want only bottom half

swingofthings
9 years ago
Reply to  NathanLazarus

This strikes me as potentially genius. My only concern would be that certain very flexible pitches might have so many target zones that they would all blend together. Considering how far Mariano’s heat blobs spread into the center of the plate, a guy who throws his fastball to all edges with regularity might just fill in the whole box.

jfree
9 years ago

Maybe the way to capture command is to capture what clearly isn’t command. And what’s left is good enough to be called command.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  jfree

I think they did a similar approach with catcher game-calling not long ago.

jfree
9 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Could work too since scouting seems to default to ‘pitchers tend towards average/50 command’ which isn’t the case with any other scouting measure

BryzMember since 2019
9 years ago

One thing I wonder is if we shouldn’t necessarily measure it by how much the catcher’s glove moved but instead if the pitcher hit the general area of the target. Yes, there are issues (such as the Iannetta quote/gif) but over the course of the season, I feel that we could still generate enough data points to start finding some trends.

For example, last year Neil Ramirez was frustrating to watch when he joined the Twins. The catcher would set up down the middle and Ramirez would shotgun scatter his pitches all around the plate. Just watching him, it was clear that he had no command.

One last observation: Catchers usually call for the ball low, unless it’s a batter with a known weakness for the high heat. Pitchers that could throw the ball in the general area more often would theoretically have better command.

OddBall Herrera
9 years ago

What about the % of pitches in the zone that fell into the opposing hitter’s wheelhouse (per heat maps)? Presumably, pitchers are pitching with some sort of awareness of the opposing batter’s heat maps and their ability to execute could at least be partially measured by their ability to throw a strike while avoiding the parts of the plate the hitter likes.

This wouldn’t be perfect, because obviously pitching is more complicated than “throw the ball where the heat map looks blue”, but I would guess that the plan is something like that often enough that you could be used to differentiate good execution vs. poor execution.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Interesting that Kershaw drops off, but perhaps not surprising, as he is known to hit the heart of the plate quite a bit.

mikejuntMember
9 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Those are mostly guys who don’t ever want to be over the heart.

Many high strikeout pitchers do throw pitches that are more heart of the plate, but are harder to hit in other ways (high fastball, for example) and their appearance to be towards the middle is the incentive to try to get the swing and miss.

WombatyMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Hey Eno, JC Ramirez has had a couple of solid outing with strong Ks. Apparently he has a new curve; is there anything there you see that makes him more than a stop-gap for the Angels?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

I agree with a lot of this. Unless we know where the pitcher was trying to put the ball (and we don’t, not really) this is tough. Assuming that every single pitcher wants to put the ball at the edges of the zone is pretty questionable.
Here’s a different question: Does “command” exist? Is this one skill, or is it a lot of different skills that all look the same to us?
Might also want to look at these stats for last year, since we have a bigger sample size to work with.

vmx
9 years ago

The issue with measuring command is we can’t measure a pitcher’s intent. For all we know, Maeda meant to throw all those pitches slowly over the plate.

jim fetterolf
9 years ago

One stat that might mean something is BABIP. If a pitcher throws a quality pitch in the planned location the ball should be hit to the defense. Low BABIPs come from weak contact hit to fielders.

phoenix2042Member since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  jim fetterolf

Babip is too noisy. Use exit velocities on batted balls. That way it doesn’t matter if he had a good defense. A well located ball is a ball that can’t be hit well I’d think and a weakly hit ball fits the bill more than just “out.”

jim fetterolf
9 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

Velocity and vector.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
9 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

Also very noisy. You can’t use something that’s ~50% the result of the batter to measure the pitcher’s intent.

swingofthings
9 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Right. If you really want to understand command it has to be comparing pitcher’s execution to pitcher’s intent – both of which are problematic to measure.

RonnieDobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  jim fetterolf

A good swing (or even lucky one) renders any pitch outcome terrible. You can’t expect good results using batter outcomes. As much as John Smoltz won’t like this, the hitter controls the outcomes. Kershaw’s best pitch can get hit out on any given swing. Conversely, Bryon Buxton can swing and miss at anything Bronson Arroyo has to offer.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  jim fetterolf

Ideally, you would use BABIP or exit velocity as an outcome for criterion validity and not as an indicator.

jrobadler
9 years ago

I’m just spitballing here, but is there a correlation between a pitcher’s release spot to the pitches eventual place in the strike zone?

jfree
9 years ago
Reply to  jrobadler

Spitballs aren’t legal anymore. Commenters can be suspended for 50 articles if they persist in tossing them out there.

DukeCT
9 years ago

How about the root mean square distance between a strike’s location and the middle of the zone? A heat map for Mariano Rivera was fascinating because there was almost nothing in the middle.

BryzMember since 2019
9 years ago
Reply to  DukeCT

The issue is that Max Scherzer (IIRC) is on the record for throwing fastballs right down the middle in 2-strike counts because the hitter is often looking for a breaking ball or change-up out of the zone.

mayoryorke
9 years ago

What if you used catcher glove movement, but adjusted for that catcher’s average movement for all pitchers?

FrancoLuvHateMets
9 years ago

I think the answer lies in some backward thinking.

3-0 count to Jon Lester and you’re intentionally throwing a BP fastball middle middle. First pitch to pre 2016 Trout or Votto, you go for the easy strike too.

Scherzer, and anecdotally, even though they’ve never came out and said it, the Met flamethrowers seem to purposely try to catch hitters napping on 0-2, 1-2 counts with fastballs down the middle. I’m sure there are others that other teams’ fans could tell you about outliers.

How about 1-0, 2-0, 2-1 counts to opponents with above average ISO? You’d never want to throw something over the middle to them in that situation right? Only a guy with crap command would do that? (On a regular basis of course, pitching is hard)

RonnieDobbs
9 years ago

You are correct that a human would be best suited for this task. A knowledgeable human would be best suited for all data collection with a bit of computer assistance at times (some Statcast stuff like velocity and distance covered). The problem is that you will never get talented, knowledgeable people to do data entry – that’s where the machines come in! I have no doubt that I could score each pitch from (1-10) on command and I love watching baseball – but as a job, no thanks – especially considering what the pay would be. Who knows? Perhaps the future will pay humans well to enter numbers… it kind of makes sense when the machines are limited by the data.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

This is where you outsource to rural Bangladesh.

RonnieDobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

That is exactly the problem. You would need skilled and talented people to categorize the data – not cheap labor…like computers.

chaokangMember since 2020
9 years ago

The solution is as simple as it is impossible to implement. Have every pitcher throw a number of pitches at a few fixed targets before and after each outing.

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago
Reply to  chaokang

I’d love to see pitcher target practice as an event at the All-Star break!

mpotterMember since 2016
9 years ago

For Pineda specifically, does his command differ dramatically from the windup vs. the stretch? Could that explain why his performance is worse than the peripherals would suggest?

Aaron
9 years ago

I once watched a start and scored every pitch: hit, miss, or ambiguous. Hit meant that the pitch was within approximately 6 inches of the target, ambiguous means it was within about a foot, and miss means it was more than a foot away from the target. I found it very useful.