With Absence Called For, MLB Is Disappointingly Present

From the moment that MLB decided to try to plow ahead with a season in a country seemingly coming apart at the seams, it’s been an open question as to what value sports should have in our lives. “Sports are like the reward of a functioning society,” as Sean Doolittle put it in back in early July — a quote that’s routinely resurfaced on Twitter in the weeks since and mushroomed all over timelines on Wednesday, as the men and women whose bodies and work provide the foundation for their sports decided that this is a society that no longer deserved the privilege.

In the wake of yet another police shooting of an unarmed Black man — this time in Kenosha, Wisconsin, where local cops fired seven rounds into the back of 29-year-old Jacob Blake as he tried to break up a fight — and protests unfolding across the nation, NBA players, frustrated that their pleas for social and racial justice were bouncing off the walls of the league’s Orlando bubble, said enough. Led by the Milwaukee Bucks and followed soon thereafter by the rest of the teams slated to appear on the day’s playoff schedule, the players — and only the players, without seeking approval from or giving advance knowledge to the NBA — effectively canceled their games. “Boycott” was the initial word of choice, followed by “postponement,” but the most accurate descriptor for all this is “strike” — a labor force demanding change through an emphatic and sudden stoppage.

The NBA was soon joined by the WNBA (here it’s worth noting that the latter league has long been at the forefront of the conversation and action around the Black Lives Matter movement, the protests in the wake of George Floyd’s death at the hands of police in Minneapolis, and countless other social endeavors) and MLS in bringing itself to a halt. For a moment, it looked like MLB would follow suit. The Brewers, who have been one of more vocal teams when it comes to supporting the protests and Black Lives Matter on the whole this season, held a meeting during which they voted not to play in their scheduled game against the Reds; Cincinnati’s players, in a show of solidarity, agreed to cancel the contest. Similarly, the Mariners and Padres called off their game in San Diego, as did the Giants and Dodgers in San Francisco.

That baseball — a predominantly white and conservative sport — got any level of buy-in or offered actual material support to this sudden movement feels somewhat hard to believe. But those six squads were the exception, not the rule: Beyond those three games (which were officially recorded as postponements and are, as of now, scheduled to be made up in doubleheaders on Thursday), the rest of the night went on as planned. Given an opportunity to stand for something bigger and more important than themselves, the great majority of the league seemingly decided it wasn’t worth it.

MLB has struggled with race for both its entire existence and over the last three months, as the protests over Floyd’s death gave way to impassioned conversations about the state-sanctioned violence and oppression that Black people in the United States face every day and the systematic way in which they are excluded, targeted or minimized across society. Baseball’s own history is ugly enough in that regard, marked by decades of segregation and then a slow, painful integration. Every year brings a new discussion about the declining numbers of Black ballplayers, and how the league doesn’t do enough to promote or create diversity in its ranks — on the field, in the press box, in front offices, in the hallways that Rob Manfred and his almost entirely white executive staff walk through every day. The Negro Leagues are feted, Jackie Robinson is honored as a trailblazing hero, appropriate noises are made about the game’s culture — hidebound and stodgy — moving something closer to the style of its Black and Latinx players. Yet change is fitful and progress is intermittent, and nowhere can that be seen more than in the stop-and-start way that MLB has tried to address this national reckoning around race.

You’ve seen it already in the way that a small yet vocal number of players, most of them Black, tried to organize a visible protest at the beginning of the season. You saw it in the way the league, clumsily at first but then with a more steady tone, declared that there is no place for racism in the game, and that Black lives do, in fact, matter. You’ve seen it in the t-shirts and slogans and messages that players and teams alike have adopted, and in those conversations once again about the lack of diversity, only with more urgency now. Or so it seemed. But those early protests never got much off the ground, amounting to a limp, confused gesture in which teams held a piece of black cloth together before their games, followed by a handful of players choosing to kneel during the national anthem, only for that too to fade away shortly thereafter. It was easy enough for teams to stencil “BLM” on their pitching mounds, but within a few days of the season starting, most of those had been replaced by corporate logos. In the battle of social justice versus advertising dollars, MLB’s power brokers unsurprisingly chose the latter.

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Which isn’t to say that the league has up and forgotten the things it’s said, or that the gestures and words from players have gone unheard. It’s been genuinely uplifting to see more players than in years past speak in support of their Black teammates and talk about a need to listen and learn and stand with them — to see opinions and beliefs changing in what feels like the blink of an eye. “We’ve worn t-shirts that say JUSTICE EQUALITY NOW, we’ve made statements,” Ryan Braun told reporters after Milwaukee canceled its game. “But at some point actions speak louder than words.” The Dodgers heard the words of Mookie Betts, their Black teammate who said he would not play, and they followed him to a man. “It’s not a political issue,” said Dave Roberts, who like Betts said he would not have taken the field on Wednesday night. “This is a human being issue.” Why exactly Floyd’s death proved to be a dam breaking remains unclear (and has to be frustrating for those who remember all the names that came before his), but what it brought forth is something that can’t be undone, and the result has been, if inconsistent, a sign that change is possible, if not inevitable (albeit routinely and frustratingly prompted only by the sight of Black bodies and trauma).

But change is also far from a straight line, more a series of spaced out dots and dashes, and Wednesday was proof of that. Jason Heyward took himself out of the Cubs’ lineup and sat out of their game against the Tigers. In St. Louis, Dexter Fowler and Jack Flaherty did the same, with the Cardinals’ Twitter account labeling Fowler “a healthy scratch.” Matt Kemp sat as well, opting out of the Rockies’ matchup with the Diamondbacks and explaining his rationale via an Instagram post: “I could not play this game I love so much tonight knowing the hurt and anguish my people continue to feel.” None of those players — all four of whom are Black — were joined by their teammates. Heyward reportedly told the Cubs to play on without him, but what else could he have said? And regardless of whether or not he gave them his blessing, when presented with the opportunity to make a sacrifice and stand in solidarity, his teammates didn’t. Their choice was the game or the movement, and they picked the former, and it’s hard to understand why.

What is the value of a baseball game against a human life? How much does a late-August tilt against the Tigers matter compared to the struggle that Heyward and the rest of baseball’s Black players, to say nothing of millions upon millions of Black Americans, live every single day? No amount of fame or fortune can protect them from becoming the next Jacob Blake or the next George Floyd, or can insulate them from a society and government that views them as lesser if not insignificant. Like the NBA and WNBA players — most of whom are Black — who wanted to make a statement, Heyward and Fowler and Flaherty and Kemp decided that only through their absence could they say and do something, anything at all, about the injustice that surrounds them and every other Black person in this country. And despite that, their teammates and their league largely left them on an island, or left them to talk alone about their pain like Dominic Smith, fighting through tears as he spoke of how hard it hurt to feel like people didn’t care about Black lives.

America right now is far from a well-functioning society. Nearly 200,000 people have died in the COVID-19 pandemic owing largely to a governmental response that’s alternated between incompetence and negligence. Police continue to brutalize the people they’re supposed to protect, largely with impunity; the civilian protests against their violence are frequently met with scorn, suspicion, indifference, more violence, and, in the case of Kenosha, armed vigilantes, one of whom shot and killed two protestors — law enforcement’s response to the incident was wanting to say the least. Fires rage across California, a Category 4 hurricane is threatening a sizable chunk of the Gulf Coast in Texas and Louisiana, and in governors’ mansions and statehouses and the White House itself, our elected officials present us with a version of reality in which all of this isn’t happening. No sport could fix all or any of this, and in the face of these urgent issues, baseball and basketball and everything else feel more like a surreal distraction than any kind of relief.

But there is a power in sports to affect the discourse and the course of the country — to act as an agent for change. Sports aren’t so much the reward of a functioning society as they are a marker for where we’re at, and with their wildcat strike, the NBA and WNBA have told us that things are at a breaking point. BLM stencils and symbolic gestures and league-approved messages on the backs of jerseys are not and will never be enough. Direct action is the only solution, and in the face of all this terror and anger, sacrificing one night of baseball and using your platform to call collectively for something — anything — better feels like the only possible response to a world flying off its axis. Instead, MLB and the majority of its players chose silence and the status quo, which says far more than any slogan ever could.

On Friday, the league will hold its annual Jackie Robinson Day celebrations, postponed from April, to mark the 73rd anniversary of his breaking of the color barrier. As usual, players and coaches will wear the number 42, and there will be tributes around the game to Robinson’s courage and resilience and all the other platitudes that take the place of the far messier reality in which he strove, frequently alone and often dispirited, to make baseball a more equal place, and of how long it took to get anywhere close to that, and how far MLB still is from the ideal that it puts forth every season. The league had an opportunity to take a significant stride in that direction on Wednesday and failed. Maybe by the time Friday rolls around, they’ll have found their voice.





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Giant SlorMember since 2017
5 years ago

Good piece — thank you. Solidarity with those striking. Would like to see players who are not Black show that same solidarity with their Black teammates. As Dave Roberts said, “this is not a political issue. This is a human being issue.” Folks playing politics are actively denying the humanity and experience of Black people in the US.

32roland
5 years ago
Reply to  Giant Slor

This is an impossible distinction. Call it a strike, a boycott, a protest or anything else–such conduct as a call for social change is inherently political because it is our government’s policy makers who are responsible for making changes to our society. The players are making a political point just as much as anyone else is bringing politics into this.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  32roland

I don’t fully agree – I think most everyone involved is expressing ‘we’re upset about the issue and want someone to fix it’. I am sure everyone has their ideas about who might fix it best, and so I suppose you could infer political endorsements from it, but to focus on that instead of the message turns it into an issue of party and politics instead of a conversation about the merits of the message.

32roland
5 years ago

The message itself is entirely uncontroversial. The only controversy is about how best to address the underlying problem, which is a matter of politics. There’s a reason LeBron James and the Dodgers are making Dodger Stadium a polling place–because they know that this is a political issue that requires people to make a change through voting.

mookie monster
5 years ago
Reply to  32roland

Correct. As it turns out, almost everything of any importance is political. It’s not a dirty word.

When people say things are “political” in a context like this, they usually mean “partisan.” And this shouldn’t be partisan, although it is.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

This is what I was going to say. If something involves two factions who disagree on the issue and/or policies then yes, it is political. Saying “it’s a human issue” is an appeal to the humanity in us, to say “put aside your politics and empathize” but realistically lots of people won’t.

I understand why he said it that way but technically he’s not correct.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Giant Slor

The article identifies Jack Flaherty as black. He is white. This doesn’t change the general thrust, but worth correcting.

snood
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

https://www.mlb.com/news/jack-flaherty-on-jacob-blake-shooting

“Flaherty, who is biracial and identifies as Black”

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  snood

I stand corrected. In my defense, he very much looks white.

docgooden85Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

The confusion on Flaherty is a perfect example of the totally arbitrary nature of racial hatred. Non-white people who “pass” get a depressing front row seat to some of the worst behavior of humans.

free-range turducken
5 years ago
Reply to  docgooden85

The confusion on Flaherty reminded me of the situation with the singer Sade. In her native Nigeria, she is considered “white”, but in the UK and US she is considered “black”.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  snood

never even considered him anything other than white, because that is what his skin tone suggests. I’m white because well, thats what my skin tone is. Nothing more to it than skin tone.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

The US has historically followed the “one drop rule” where anyone with a single black ancestor is considered socially and legally black.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

net81652
5 years ago

I’m uncomfortable that this article starts from the position that what happened in baseball yesterday was in any way disappointing. It’s also unclear what the author would have preferred to happen. I don’t have an issue with Heyward, Kemp, Fowler, etc opting not to play; but to somehow suggest that baseball could have taken a significant stride yesterday seems dubious. I’m also unclear how a team or player’s choice not to play furthers the cause of police reform and/or racial justice. There are a myriad of issues at play here – guns in America, mental health, police union protections, qualified immunity, etc; and there is zero connection between a team choosing not to play has any impact on those.

You can argue players made a statement last night, but that is all that it was. Should Cubs’ players have ignored Heyward’s desire for them to play last night, it seems that would also be problematic. Where are we today with a full slate of games? It also speaks to the position of privilege these players have. Medical professionals, first responders, grocery store cashiers, may not be lucky enough to be able to decide to take a day off because they want to make a statement. Frankly, I’m very disappointed that this article would be published on this website.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

Isn’t that what a strike is?

net81652
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

I suppose what happened last night may technically have been a strike, but I don’t think it was a strike in the true sense of the word (certainly not compared 1994). I have not heard about any games being canceled today, meaning that things are back to BAU.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

Was referring to the other people who aren’t lucky enough to take a day off. Maybe they should?

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

The strike could call for the officer’s arrest. That’s a reasonable and feasible short term action.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Or, the public could let the full investigation happen and look at all the evidence before determining what should be done legally.

net81652
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Sure. I agree with both of these. The players could have called for the officer’s arrest. They also need to realize they don’t have the power make that happen. I would prefer to let the investigation play out.

Lysander
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

Calling for the officer’s arrest subverts the judicial system. The “injustice” doesn’t occur until the litigation has run it’s course. It makes as much sense to call for your arrest for submitting your comment.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

The issue with the ‘wait for the investigation’ idea is that the discussion has been framed such that no investigation that vindicates a policeman for using violence will be accepted anyway. Look at the continued insistence that Michael Brown was murdered. The discourse is such that no one has any faith that the legal system is going to produce impartial results – some of that is because the legal system legitimately does have issues where it comes to prosecuting law enforcement, but some of it is also because media figures and political leaders have been actively undermining the public’s literacy on issues of justice with emotional appeals that amount to arguments against the rule of law.

So we have painted ourselves into a corner as a society where people will be angry regardless of evidence or process unless things turn out the way they want. Discussing this with people, I increasingly find myself as the only person in the room with patience for even what should be the really basic notion of ‘finding out what happened’. Ex: this teenager in Wisconsin from the night before last – a rational society would be saying “Gosh, I really would like to know how the situation on the video started before I make up my mind on it” (though there are legitimate questions about what a 17 year old was doing there with a firearm in the first place), but no one cares, they know what they want to see and consume only as much evidence as it takes to gratify it. The notion that the facts on the ground could shed light on what we saw isn’t even part of the discussion anymore.

SportszillaMember since 2017
5 years ago

This is such bullshit. The idea that in an era with body cameras and abundant smart phones we need to “wait for the full investigation” before recognizing what is blatantly obvious is such nonsense, especially when such investigations often drag on for years and virtually always exonerate police officers regardless of what the video shows.

And as to the question of the 17-year-old: he drove to another state with a weapon he could not legally possess and then shot multiple people. His social media is full of threats to do exactly this. This “situation” started because a sizable minority of this country seems to believe that murder is an appropriate response to protest.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  Sportszilla

Thank you for volunteering to be exhibit A?

I mean, the fact that you can’t think of any questions that remain unanswered on the 17 year old is just demonstrative.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago

There are some questions left to be answered. But there is no doubt that he was illegally in possession of a fire arm and I have not heard any defense to him having shot and killed 2 people, as in saying he didn’t do it. I’m not sure of the law here, but to me if you are a vigilante with an illegal gun, you should lose self defense as a reason against guilt. I mean, maybe if he were actually shot. Again, not talking about the law but to me most of this is settled and regardless of what comes out I think he deserves to be locked up for a very long time.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Admittedly I am not familiar with WI law, but generally you only lose the ability to claim self defense if you instigated or escalated a confrontation. Merely being in public with an illegal firearm doesn’t void your right to defend yourself. I mean, the implications if it did are a bit absurd. Now, if the kid was pointing it at people and threatening them, with their not having done anything to provoke a threat of deadly force, then he doesn’t get to claim self defense if they responded.

The big questions that are not settled, to me is what happened at this used car dealership prior to him taking off down the street. He clearly shot a guy who was near him, what was the nature of that interaction prior to the start of video?. I have also heard reports that there was gunfire in close proximity (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html), to what extent was that related to this incident or to what extent did the kid react to it? To what extent was just reaction justified? To what extent is the kid justifiably in fear for his life when he gets accosted in the street? How do apparently all the other gun shots in the background of that video factor in? Man, I am nothing but questions on this incident, and “white kid showed up wanting to kill peaceful protestors” is simplistic to the point of absurdity (though it could still be true)

So yeah, there are some questions of fact settled. When this goes to court no one is going to dispute who shot whom, but that’s barely the start. And what happens to people who jump to conclusions on this stuff is that they then feel betrayed by the justice system when things don’t come out that way. The attitude is “we all know what happened, what’s wrong with the system that it couldn’t get it right”.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago

There are certainly situations in the law where illegal activity plays a roll in taking away defenses. He had no right to possess that gun. Anyone who tried to disarm him would be disarming a criminal, which itself is not a crime. He was a criminal. I’m not sure how it will shake out but it is very much possible that the self defense claim won’t stand. He’s a criminal. He wasn’t shot by anyone or stabbed. He shot three people. I don’t disagree with you that conclusions are often made without all the facts, it’s just that in this case the facts not in dispute are enough for me to conclude he is a monster who should be thrown in jail. As a lawyer, I know that how I feel and what happens or even what should happen under the law are not always the same. But just as a person I think any vigilante that shoots people is someone who is such a threat to society that he should be removed from it. That it seems the only three people shot were in fact shot by this guy and no one else was even seriously hurt, I would feel this way even if his gun were legal. But it wasn’t, which gives me confidence that he is rightfully screwed and so is his dad.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

I would think a lawyer would know the difference between “role” and “roll”.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Oh, you got me! Boy is my face red.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

50 people are shot in Chicago every weekend with illegal firearms. One white kid does it in Kenosha and all the sudden it’s a national issue.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Wasn’t the suspect in possession of a knife?

HughesMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

A knife was collected from the scene and it is alleged the suspect possessed a knife.

Police have been found guilty of planting evidence before.

Lysander
5 years ago

Sad that a logical argument would result in 9 “thumbs down”, but such is the state of ignorance that seems to permeate this site. I need to locate a good baseball site instead of this nonsense.

Sonny LMember since 2017
5 years ago

Today, as it’s been in the full history of American progress, “Go slow” means “don’t go.”

If you choose not to watch video evidence of citizens being killed that’s your choice, but don’t pretend there’s something more waiting to be discovered. It’s there for you in the open. When you say go slow and let the system play out you’re providing the cover and allowing the evasion from accountability that has let this situation reach the point it has.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  Sonny L

This is a pernicious argument. When you make the argument that conclusions should be drawn based upon reactions to incomplete evidence, or that the mere existence of a video showing use of deadly force answers all questions that need to be asked, you yourself are ‘providing cover’ for calls for the arbitrary application of justice.

I am not pretending there is more to be discovered, there simply is more to be discovered, unless you can satisfactorily answer my questions below. I get that the video is horrendous and produces a visceral reaction, but that’s not the point. The point is what actually happened and what the law has to say about it. IF it turns out that the guy had a knife, the police knew he had a knife, and he was clearly attempting to get it out of the car, an outcome in favor of the police isn’t an “evasion of accountability”, it’s accountability! And I do understand that the police and police union will circle the wagons on this and it pisses me off to see it happen, that is certainly part of the calculus.

Anyway, these questions matter, they haven’t been answered, and I categorically reject all calls to “turn my brain off and emote” on the issue.

And I am coming from a perspective of deep skepticism that this will come out favorably for the police, or should. I am not playing defense for them. I am less certain about this kid, because I don’t know the degree to which the law will find that he created a risk by his presence with a firearm, and there are issues of fact in question that at least suggest a claim of self defense, which his lawyers in fact have already raises. What I am playing defense for is the process, because society is not well served by the public declaring cases closed prior to the investigation (though that is certainly your right) – what that creates is the perception that, should the results not conform with your assumptions, that this is proof that the “system must be broken”.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Sportszilla

Many people like Sportzilla apparently don’t support a “full investigation” until it hits a bit closer to home. Would your opinion change if the target of the mob mentality was, say, a family member, or would your tone still be exactly the same?

MikeSMember since 2020
5 years ago

There’s the problem with that approach. Here were two headlines from the NY Post yesterday, published two hours apart:

“Jacob Blake had a knife in his car when he was shot by police, DOJ says.”

“Suspected teen gunman Kyle Rittenhouse spotted cleaning Kenosha Graffiti before shooting.”

And the Kenosha Chief of Police commented that the protesters who were shot were out after curfew. No mention about the minor that crossed state lines with an assault rifle being out at the same time.

If the press and the police are going to spin events that way, then it is no wonder that people don’t trust the process of investigations playing out and justice being served.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

Agreed, people with agendas litigating issues in the media are hurting the discourse. Though you have to admit that “police shoot unarmed man 8 times in back” without an investigation is at potentially just as prejudicial as the headlines you are citing. that’s why you need impartial finders of fact to sort through the bullshit and attempt to reach conclusions, even if they are unpopular ones. It’s Not a reason to just throw it all out the window and call for heads.

I mean, if the guy did have a knife in the car that’s relevant. It’s relevant if the police knew he did, and if he was clearly reaching for it or not. If they didn’t know he had one and just happened to find a knife in the car later, then that’s a different story entirely. I mean, I could sit here and theorize on a dozen fact patterns that would be consistent with what we know now and would either absolve or incriminate the police here. Landing on one of them for no reason other than it fits a narrative is irrational.

Again with the 17 year old – the video I saw at least had an armed kid running down the street, with people at least apparently chasing him. How did we even get there? Doesn’t that matter? Doesn’t it change things if he decided to shoot someone for trespassing vs if someone came at him with a knife vs if he opened fire into a crowd unprovoked? You literally can not have an intelligent opinion on the incident until questions like this have at been answered to the best of our ability.

polama
5 years ago

Threatening to murder protesters, then driving to the protests with an illegal firearm, and then doing so is _very_ wrong. Full stop. I guess it’s less wrong if somebody was was threatening him, and more wrong if he started firing completely unprovoked, but those are just gradations of how wrong it was.

Similarly, shooting a man 8 times in the back in front of his children is wrong. full stop. Less wrong if there was legitimate reason for the officer to fear for his life, more wrong if there wasn’t. But wrong.

To my eyes, there’s more than enough evidence to arrest the officer. Arrest doesn’t mean put him away for life without trial. The evidence can all be methodically gathered, and weighed, and a verdict arrived at. That’s what a trial is for. But in both those situations, there’s a clear preponderance of evidence that something illegal occurred. Juries can debate 1st vs 2nd degree homicide.

And if further evidence comes out, we can update our opinions. If somehow this is a crazy misunderstanding, they can be released. People are arrested all the time because it strongly appears they committed a crime.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  polama

“People are arrested all the time because it strongly appears they committed a crime.” That seems to be exactly what the officers were trying to do in this situation, but the person was not cooperating, not following instructions. Instead he was doing something that could be seen as an attempt to flee or even respond with deadly force himself. I’m not going to sit here and argue that 7 shots were warranted, but with the information out at this point it may appear that the officer was in the right to use the firearm in the situation.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  polama

You may think I’m going to stridently come out against this but I actually largely agree (though I have yet to see anything along the lines of the kid “threatening to murder protesters” and suspect this may be an inference you are making, I am open to being proven incorrect).

Any policeman who shoots someone in circumstances where the threat to their life is this ambiguous should prepare for indictment and investigation. Heck, I’m open to the idea that the *default* should be a grand jury anytime a law enforcement officer uses deadly force. This kid should prepare for indictment and investigation – in fact, whoever gave the firearm to the kid should prepare for charges anywhere from negligent entrustment to manslaughter depending on how foreseeable these events were based on the kid’s previous actions/statements.

What I am saying above is that for some the investigation doesn’t matter, facts coming out don’t matter, we want to get angry about the identities of those involved and ask questions later, if at all. If exonerating evidence came out two weeks from now for these police, and charges were dropped or not filed, we’d still get a protest. We as a society are becoming decidedly anti-evidence, and react negatively to anyone who wants to wait to judge, and that’s the part I find troubling.

peliMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  polama

@polama I think this is the correct take, thank you for articulating it so clearly

JeffreyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  polama

Wasn’t an illegal firearm and he’s legally allowed to own it. “Full stop”

omar207
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeffrey

His possession of it in WI was illegal. Full Stop.

Nice attempt at obfuscation though.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeffrey

You have to be 18…

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago

And here we go, the criminal complaint against the kid has a witness testifying that the first guy he shot attempted to grab his rifle from him (interestingly various news outlets are glossing over that and simply saying the guy threw a plastic bag at him. Read the actual complaint).

Now, there are obviously questions about who made that statement, how clearly they saw what they claimed to see, and the witness’ credibility, but already material information has come to light that if true totally refutes the initial characterization of the incident. This is what I am talking about. And now everyone emotionally invested in his guilt is likely going to have to retreat to even more dubious arguments.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

The most depressing thing I have taken out of the last few months is that police lie about stuff even when they can be easily disproven. It’s so ingrained in them that even when they know there’s cell phone footage they still put out a statement that contradicts the obvious.

This is the problem with “wait for the investigation.” It’s become madness to trust the police on the issue of policing themselves. Sure, I’d like the cops who beat people up and murder people with impunity to get arrested (and also the kid who shot someone, got beat up, and then shot some more people) but there’s a serious crisis of legitimacy for institutional responses to these sorts of abuses. And that’s why I think it’s perfectly fair to call for something to change (and what it is we need to figure out, still) before knowing “exactly what the facts” are–because there is overwhelming evidence that the police’s view of “the facts” may or may not have anything to do with what happened.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agreed, I am deeply skeptical of the sudden involvement of a knife in the case in WI, and I find it frankly disgusting to see how aggressively the police and their representatives will characterize events in their favor. This is why I am all for body cameras for anyone issued a firearm, mandatorily on anytime they are not sitting in their car.

But here’s the thing – let’s assume there is some level of ambiguity caused by various interested parties characterizing/distorting facts and litigating issues in the media, does it make more sense to say “well then, I will just fill in the blanks myself with what I think happened and act accordingly” or instead “proceed with caution while drawing conclusions”? It is stunning how little patience people have for the latter, in my opinion much more defensible and intellectually rigorous, approach.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

I think what needs to happen is there needs to be an entirely independent body that reports to entirely different civilian-controlled structures investigating the police. It’s gotten completely crazy.

gmaske71
5 years ago

You are spot on, OddBall. Said Sportzilla, “The idea that in an era with body cameras and abundant smart phones we need to “wait for the full investigation” before recognizing what is blatantly obvious is such nonsense, especially when such investigations often drag on for years and virtually always exonerate police officers regardless of what the video shows.” Sorry, Sportzilla, context is everything. Your idea that a camera providing a fifteen second video ends all controversy is the antithesis of justice. There is probably 20 minutes preceding the fifteen second video that are unseen. All the while the suspect is “complying with the officer(s).”

But people like Sportzilla, and they are legion, say “there’s no excuse for what happened in that fifteen second video.” That is where the justice system comes in. Justice or injustice is served when the investigation and court proceedings are completed, not before they begin.

“But our justice system is corrupt.” Well, I agree with that. Just like American society as a whole. We expect a justice system that is better than our society. It doesn’t work that way. I could cite what our “racist,” “sexist,” founding fathers said in this regard, but since they have been thoroughly repudiated by first liberals and now BLMers and Antifa, it is now “racist” to even bring them up.

There is no solution to this controversy except the dissolution of our society. I AM NOT ADVOCATING THIS. I AM NOT PARTICIPATING IN THIS. I live in the country and plan to stay there, all the while recognizing that we are imploding.

You can’t expect a legal system to work when you don’t have the rule of law. We don’t. We’re not much different than 1930’s Germany.

mookie monster
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

How is it unclear what the author would have preferred to happen? He is clearly endorsing what the NBA has done: a leaguewide strike, in solidarity with Black lives and the Black players who have chosen not to play.

Maybe you don’t agree, but that’s not the fault of this article.

evo34Member since 2023
5 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

Having work cancelled because several of your key employees don’t show up for a couple days is not a “strike.”

mookie monster
5 years ago
Reply to  evo34

A concerted effort to withhold labor as a form of protest is, almost axiomatically, a strike.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  evo34

Other than to avoid and change the subject, there is no reason to quibble with the use of “strike.”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  evo34

it’s not not a strike either.

it’s deliberately ambiguous to avoid legal repercussions.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

I think the point is pretty clear. More teams should have made the choice not to play – JBJ mentioned that the Red Sox probably wouldn’t have played but didn’t have time to discuss as a team before their game. Players should be unified around the idea of social justice and it shouldn’t take media telling players they need to support their teammates for that to happen.

‘I’m also unclear how a team or player’s choice not to play furthers the cause of police reform and/or racial justice.’
It’s called raising awareness. Something the NBA realized it was no longer doing amid the continuing play during the bubble. Also you don’t think potentially cancelling the NBA playoffs – costing the league, owners, and government (in taxes) millions to billions of dollars – is going to get the attention of people in positions of power to push forward agendas for change?

‘It also speaks to the position of privilege these players have. Medical professionals, first responders, grocery store cashiers, may not be lucky enough to be able to decide to take a day off because they want to make a statement.’
You also speak of athlete privilege and the ability to ‘decide to take a day off,’ but it’s not just privilege and it’s not ‘just taking a day off.’ Athletes have privilege and with that privilege comes a responsibility as public figures (who for better or worse many look to for leadership in times such as these) to lead by example. When athletes decide to stop working people will listen, controversy is stirred, conversations are started, people look to get educated. That is the point.

There was strong public sentiment around the issues that BLM stands for after the George Floyd shooting and 538 recently put out research that the support is already waning. We settle back into our routines and start to forget what was being fought for to start.

And yes there are certainly other issues at play but those are related, not causal so even bringing them up here distracts from the core issue.

Frankly, I’m very disappointed more people don’t see how integral professional sports are in promoting social progress.

https://theundefeated.com/features/athletes-and-activism-the-long-defiant-history-of-sports-protests/

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

We should 100% be supporting players who choose to strike. That’s how you use whatever societal leverage/clout you have for a cause you believe in. Course, that doesn’t mean everyone *has* to take part, or that it’s a travesty that MLB as a whole didn’t do it – there is an interesting line between asking for solidarity and enforcing conformity.

What we ought to be doing today is pointing at the walkouts yesterday as how you exercise your voice, to underline the distinction between that and burning/looting. This is the right way to do it, which all the pundits on the right have been pounding the table for! Something tells me that today Rush Limbaugh is instead talking about the ‘politicization of sports’.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago

I agree and I don’t think every team needs to strike to show support for their teammates. But private, confidential support isn’t really helpful either. There are a multitude of ways teammates can publicly show support without having to strike or even speak.

I thought some of the most powerful images of positive support from opening day were the players who rested their hands on the shoulders of teammates who chose to kneel.

On the other hand Dom Smith sitting alone with tears streaming down his face as reporters talk to him was powerful for the opposite reason.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Yeah, I think people miss that there are ways to support the people most affected by this that come from a place of respect for shared humanity and not in any way implying endorsement of one political movement or another. It’s tough if you’re in a highly public role, because not only do you have to worry about if you’re communicating exactly what you want to communicate, but also worry about those who have an interest in mischaracterizing what you’re doing as much as possible.

net81652
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Awareness is such a wishy-washy term that allows people to think they are doing something when really aren’t doing anything. Now, if NBA players came out and said they were done for the year, THAT would be something. Once athletes say, “this is such a big deal that I don’t feel comfortable being paid”, that would be more than just raising awareness.

I think your assumptions about what happens when professional athletes stop playing is mis-guided. That might be what you do, but to generalize that to the larger population may be incorrect. People have lives, families, job, hobbies, and plenty of other things to take up their time.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

Awareness isn’t a wishy-washy term. Awareness is what it is. It isn’t action but it’s better than nothing. There is certainly more that can be done, but you also underestimate the potential power and motivation of awareness especially when brought about by individuals and groups that are held in high regard by society.

It’s quite literally fact that this is something people are now talking about. Unless you think that every media outlet whether it’s radio, television, or digital that is talking about players deciding to sit says otherwise? The media should be a pretty good indicator of national discourse.

People have lives, families, jobs, hobbies, responsibilities, pets, personal issues, and other things to take up their time yet they still seem to find time plenty of time to throw around opinions on sports, politics, social standing, etc. When disruptive events occur people talk about it, it’s really not a difficult concept.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

“Also you don’t think potentially cancelling the NBA playoffs – costing the league, owners, and government (in taxes) millions to billions of dollars – is going to get the attention of people in positions of power to push forward agendas for change”

The only reason the NBA is doing this is because of money. Look back at how the league handled Daryl Morey’s comments on China and human rights – and Lebron’s response to Morey – and ask yourself if the NBA would be taking any action that harmed their financial future.

MikeSMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

“It also speaks to the position of privilege these players have.”

Yup. And they are using that privilege to male a statement that they are not happy with the state of affairs in the country.

“Medical professionals, first responders, grocery store cashiers, may not be lucky enough to be able to decide to take a day off because they want to make a statement.”

Comparing that group to professional athletes may not be the biggest false equivalence I have ever seen, but it is definitely in the team picture.

net81652
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

If you think that is the biggest false equivalence you’ve seen, well maybe you don’t read much of the news!

JeffreyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

100%. Keep this bullshit off of this site. Go write for Salon if you wanna talk about politics.

PerkinsMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeffrey

If Black people in America peacefully seeking the ability to live without suffering from perpetual violence at the hands of those who should be protecting them bothers you, you are part of the problem. You watch these guys play, obviously, as you’re a member here. Do you not think about them as fellow human beings at all? They don’t exist simply to entertain the masses and enrich the owners, they live lives and have families and children and are a part of the same society as the rest of us.

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago
Reply to  Perkins

What bothers me is the lies and misinformation spread by this author, athletes and other race hustlers. Blake was a violent, armed and wanted criminal in the process of committing a crime. That is why the police were called. It was his actions that led to his shooting.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago

This topic wouldnt even be taking place if Blake had a different skin color. There would be no walkouts, no “stances”, no “strikes”, nothing.

docgooden85Member since 2018
5 years ago

“Race hustlers” – That’s not even coded, it’s just overt bigotry. Look, I’m sorry your preferred race is slightly less dominant lately, but your brain is too disgusting to engage in good faith so I just wanted to let you know your possible attempt to not appear overtly racist has failed.

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago

One wonderful unintended consequence of this social action has been watching horrible people out themselves. Thanks, Mr. Princeton!

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Perkins

“You watch these guys play, obviously, as you’re a member here. Do you not think about them as fellow human beings at all.”

Yes, of course they are human beings. Any human being that takes a social stance to support a financial cause disgusts me. Any human being that demands action or “justice” without the full story or without all the information also disgusts me. Take the NBA, for example: did any players walk out when human abuses (and murder) was brought to light in China, the NBA’s second largest market? One GM, Daryl Morey, had the integrity to post about all the people suffering in China, and LeBron publicly called him “ignorant” and the league immediately did everything it could to shut down any mention of the topic whatsover. No player came to Morey’s defense; no players stood silently; no players walked out. Ask yourself why this situation was different.

free-range turducken
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

LOL, the situation in Hong Kong that Morey protested at that time generated a congressional resolution supported by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ted Freaking Cruz, among others. You’d think this would be a no-brainer of a cause, but…..

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Because…we don’t know much about China, and what happens there, but black people in this country know about the daily experience of being a black person in this country? Shove your false equivalence.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

It’s not a news report though–it *is* an opinion piece, and from the title to the end, it never hides its intent. I think your criticism is warranted (though I disagree, but you’re not trolling), but if we’re talking about our starting positions, it’s unfair to accuse a hamburger of containing meat and the whole *point* is to share the sense of discomfort that the rest of us feel to help spread some empathy.

D-WizMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

Racism is ingrained in the DNA of baseball, and of MLB in particular. What’s disappointing is that this appears to be yet another instance of MLB sitting back, shrugging its shoulders and saying “meh, it’s fine” when faced with an opportunity to confront this particular bit of ugliness. Things need to change, in baseball, in this country, and in the world. What you call a “position of privilege” (which I’d quibble with as well – professional athletes collectively are likely some of the hardest working individuals in the world, and it’s not like their jobs were just handed to them for no reason) could – and, I’d argue *should* – instead be looked at as a position of influence and leadership. If you’re arguing that there is nothing wrong with policemen murdering black people unprovoked, then I don’t know what to tell you… But professional sports leagues, and professional sports organizations, and professional athletes are all in a position to take actions and make statements that legitimately move the needle on social issues like racism, and those leagues and organizations and individuals choosing to idly stand by and allow things like police brutality and institutional racism (in MLB’s case, even within its very institution) to continue unremarked upon is at best disheartening, and at worst malicious for the sake of short-term profits.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  D-Wiz

” policemen murdering black people unprovoked”.

I’m sorry, weren’t the policemen shouting “drop the knife” and physically struggling with the subject on the video, or did you watch a different video?

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Policemen have been murdering black people unprovoked. Don’t try to pretend that all these protests are only because of the latest case of this crap.

Lysander
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

Unlike the article, your comments are concise, logical and relevant. Your comment obviously has no place here, so you’ll probably be “cancelled”.

JLuckMember since 2020
5 years ago

Kudos for writing this. MLB has come a long way, but they need to do so much more. Articles like this are super important to remind everyone to consider their priorities – a human life is worth more than a game. Thank you.

bluerum29
5 years ago

If the players in basketball wanted to show how unimportant basketball was yesterday, the teams refusing to take the court should have been willing to take a loss via forfeit. Other wise, what are they sacrificing if it is just a postponement of play? Until the investigation takes place that involves all of the evidence and a ruling in regarding to what will happen from the situation with the officer(s) involved, it is unwise for the public to rush to judgement. This also means there is no reason to cancel games until a decision is made either.

mookie monster
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

The Bucks were willing to take a forfeit. The Magic refused to accept a forfeit in solidarity with the Bucks. By the time this all began to snowball, the league recognized that it would be a PR nightmare to penalize any of their teams and officially sanctioned the strikes as postponements.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

Exactly right that the NBA didn’t want to deal with handing out losses to teams in the playoffs via forfeit. That would look bad for them. The solidarity of not accepting a forfeit is crap though. Without a team taking a forfeit, the protest is for nothing. They took no sacrifice.

mookie monster
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

The point of a protest isn’t to harm yourself, it’s to bring about positive change. Whether the Bucks suffered or sacrificed is irrelevant. This is such a common sentiment in America and it seems to stem from having learned the absolute wrong lessons from nonviolent protest movements of the 1960s. The virtue of the civil rights movement was not that a bunch of people got their heads smashed in and jailed, it was that it ended Jim Crow.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

It is not that the point is to harm yourself. But for these athletes, they were stating that sports were not that important right now. That they were not willing to take the court, when according to their contract they were suppose to, refusing to work. They have already brought attention to the issues their are concerned about. Postponing the games is no different than a baseball game postponed due to rain. In the end it still happened just the same, only on a different date. I have many times called for coaches or managers to refuse a referee/umpire ruling that is beyond egregious and forfeit the game to make a point. Taking an L intentionally to make a point in a sport would be a huge deal.

mookie monster
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Well, it’s national news and here we are talking about it, so it seems incorrect to me that it wasn’t a big deal.

Will it change policing policies in the United States? Not by itself. Will it contribute? Maybe.

These things tend to seem totally resistant to any reform or change the first 1,000 times someone protests, but sometimes it’s the 1,001st thing that suddenly breaks a dam for some reason. if the NBA strike put one chink in the armor, that’s a meaningful contribution. Chances are we won’t know until years later what it really means.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

The protesters keep saying the problem is racial. If it is racial, it is not a policy change that is needed, that is an issue with individual people and what is in their head and heart. If there is poor training for officers and that needs to be improved, then we need to get that done, but again that isn’t a racial component. Yes, the postponing of games is national news, but that doesn’t automatically make it a big deal. Every game played is national news, a player hits the injured list, its national news. When I first saw the news yesterday my first thought was, “ok, take an L and eat some of your income, thats significant.” What it turned in to, more just a joke, a footnote in this crazy 2020. More of a reminder that all we want is to get things back to Normal and forget everything that happened this year.

mookie monster
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

No, systemic racism is not about people’s hearts and minds, it’s about structures in our society that serve to uphold material distinctions in how people are treated along racial lines.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

The laws have it stated that we are all equal. What individual people decide to do is up to them. Some make poor decisions and doing things based on race. What we as a society need is less people who do that. That is all about how people individually think.

psweetingMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

It is my understanding that the Bucks intended to forfeit the game, but when the Magic saw what was going on they also refused to play in solidarity.

JJ17Chi
5 years ago

“Nearly 200,000 people have died in the COVID-19 pandemic owing largely to a governmental response that’s alternated between incompetence and negligence.” Umm… what has any states’ governor done that has resulted in zero deaths? What has any country done that has resulted in zero deaths? This is a global pandemic. If you shut everything down, people lose jobs, poor kids fall behind, cancer fails to be detected, substance abuse rises, domestic abuse rises. There are no good answers to this. To just blame one incompetent person totally misses the point.

The GuruMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  JJ17Chi

poverty kills 19,000,000 people a year. shutting down would double that number.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  JJ17Chi

It’s a global pandemic where the US has performed worse than every other developed country in the world despite having more advanced warning, and a less dense and less well connected population structure.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

Oh? Deaths as a fraction of population here are lower than many countries. And a substantial percentage of our deaths were in states that forced nursing homes to take in COVID positive people.

And we had more advanced warning? How so? That’s insane. We got the same warning as everyone but China.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  Doug Lampert

The US should have had a MASSIVE advantage in deaths as a fraction of population since the US has a bigger population than most countries. The virus spreads at a rate (R0) from when it is first introduced. The size of the population makes no difference. If the US had contained the virus with the effectiveness as other developed countries its deaths as a fraction of population would be orders of magnitude lower than it is now. As it is, the US is racing past almost every country in the world despite having a larger population. The level of US failure is epic.

JeffreyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

0.00054% of the population has died. More people die from the flu, and that HAS a vaccine. The US was lied to by China, lied to by the WHO, ran in circles by the CDC. But please, continue with your fact-less, emotional gibberish.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeffrey

200,000/330,000,000 = 0.0006 = 0.06% of the population. The numbers you claim are not facts.

In any case, 200,000 people dead is a lot of people. I think we ought to care about them.

JeffreyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

Thanks for the correction. Point still stands though. 99.94% of people live. And that would be even higher if 4 scumbag governors didn’t flood nursing homes with infected patients that had no business there in the first place.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeffrey

Hi, you should look up the concept of denominators. You may find it useful.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeffrey

Man, do you just keep posting the same fake thing about the flu under different names? How many times are we going to have to point out that this thing has been 10x as deadly in about half of the time compared to the flu? Please don’t throw statements like that out there unless you have the exact numbers at hand, know the time window over which they are collected, and you know the data collection method.

JJ17Chi
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

First, we can’t determine which country did best until this is over (this thing is rearing its ugly head in places like Australia which thought it had it contained). Second, we have not done worst among developed and free countries… see Spain, UK, Italy, Sweden (I know, lets not get of on a tangent about them), etc.
I’m not saying we have done great, but let’s call it what it is. Basically average of developed EU. And the “done best” has to factor in all the collateral damage from other responses.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  JJ17Chi

All the countries you mentioned have done better than the US. The US has the virus spreading everywhere and spread has barely slowed. All those other countries have largely gotten it under control with localised flair ups.

JeffreyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

Couldn’t be due to constant protests, could it?

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeffrey

You mean the ones where those lunatics in Michigan brought guns to the statehouse? Those protests?

free-range turducken
5 years ago
Reply to  JJ17Chi

I don’t see why this comment (a simple expression of opinion without vitriol or any political slant) has gotten any down votes, much less being the early leader in downvotes for this post.

Did everyone simply look at the username and click “thumbs down” before even reading the post?

Shirtless Johan Santa
5 years ago

I don’t see why so many downvotes on a comment questioning the number of downvoted for the original comment.

Ozzie Albies
5 years ago

I don’t see why so many downvotes on….nevermind.

Just go ahead and downvote this too.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

London Yank,

Please show me your data. The data I’m seeing from Johns Hopkins University/the UN, published weekly in the Economist, shows the US having a lower amount of Covid deaths per 100,000 people than a significant fraction of Western Europe:

Deaths per 100,000 population from Covid:

Belgium – 85
Britain – 69
Spain – 61
Italy – 58
Sweden – 57
US -50

You don’t see this data often in the media, do you? I wonder why that is…

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

I’ve explained why scaling infections to population size is not meaningful in detail below. In short, the rate at which the virus spreads is not a function of the population size. The virus does not spread faster in larger populations, so it makes no sense to scale to it. You are not standardising to anything meaningful.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  JJ17Chi

Yes, this was unnecessary. The author was talking about something that he even explicitly states isn’t about politics, but couldn’t resist throwing in some political boilerplate.

Maggie25
5 years ago
Reply to  JJ17Chi

Global deaths: 822,000
Deaths in U.S.A.: 183,000
Percentage of total covid deaths in U.S.A.: 22%
Percentage of world population of U.S.A.: 4.23%

Everyone knows other countries have done badly and that no countries have avoided any covid deaths, but come on, the U.S.’ covid response has not been good.

net81652
5 years ago
Reply to  Maggie25

Like any good data project, you can make the numbers say whatever you want. According to deaths per 100k people, the US is 11th (from Johns Hopkins)

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Poppyseed BagelsMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

It’s relevant to point out that there are no wealthy countries with a higher death toll than the U.S. Above them are Mexico, Ecuador, Iran, Peru, Indonesia, Bolivia, Romania, Columbia, Brazil, and Iraq for mortality. For deaths per 100,000, only Peru, Chile, and Brazil are worse.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

Chile isn’t really a poor country. One could say the reason they are having an issue is they same bullheadedness we have here.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago

Poppyseed,

Are you saying that Belgium, Spain, Italy, Sweden, and Britain are not “wealthy” countries? Because all those countries have higher death rates per 100,000 people.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

Using deaths per 100k people is an example of trying to make the numbers fit your narrative. The important comparison point is where in the growth curve you stop the spread. Note that the growth curve is not dependent on population size until you get close to saturation (which no country is), so comparing as a proportion of population makes little sense. The US is further along the growth curve, and has showed little progress in stopping the spread.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

Using deaths per 100k people is an example of trying to make the numbers fit your narrative

I’m sorry, what? I suppose “hits per at bat” is also trying to make numbers fit a narrative as well?

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Think about the way a virus spreads in a population. The virus is introduced into the population, then it spreads at some rate based on the number of people each infected person passes it on to. Country A has 100 million people. Country B has 10 million people. Country A does a relatively poor job of limiting the spread and 100k people become infected and 1000 people die. Country B does a much better job of limiting the spread. 50k people become infected and 500 people die. Let’s do the math:

Country A: (1000 / 100,000,000) X 100,000 = 1 death per 100,000
Country B: (500/10,000,000) X 100,000 = 5 death per 100,000

So country B did a better job stopping the spread, and half the number of people died. However, by the completely meaningless measure of deaths per 100,000 people you’d incorrectly conclude that they did 5x worse.

The spread of a virus depends on contacts between individuals. The number of contacts that individuals have is not dependent on the population size. The virus does not spread proportionally faster in larger populations.

This is nothing like hits per at bat. Hits are independent events that should increase linearly with number of at bats. The number of hits is a function of the number of at bats. Infections are non-independent events , and the rate of spread is not a function of population size. There is no reason to scale to something that infection is not a function of.

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Yes, actually. It’s kinda why people now realize that batter average isn’t a particularly meaningful offensive measure.

Maggie25
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

I would point out that being 11th in the world for most deaths per 100,000 in a global pandemic is not necessarily something to be proud of.

tomerafan
5 years ago
Reply to  Maggie25

So, you trust China’s data? OK then. We have many bridges for sale. Come buy some.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  Maggie25

The U.S. covid response hasn’t been good, and a non-negligible portion of that is attributable to actions by a handful of political leaders, definitely including Trump. But I would argue that much of America’s struggles with covid were inherent – by and large we aren’t scientifically literate, we are overly inclined to take direction from pundits, we resist authority as a point of pride, and our decision making focuses primarily on ourselves and those in our immediate orbit. Add to that that we are society rampant with preexisting conditions. We were simply not well constituted to handle an issue like this from the start.

free-range turducken
5 years ago

This.

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago

Yes, yes, and yes. But essentially anyone else in charge would have done us more good and less harm.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  JJ17Chi

What’s funny is that the data actually shows that the number of US deaths per 100,000 people due to Covid is actually quite a bit lower than many Western European countries. The US has a lower death rate than Belgium, Britain, Spain, Italy, Sweden…yet you don’t see that data in the media these days, do you?

Connor Grey
5 years ago

I don’t really understand what the author wants. The NBA players decided to not play as a group. But that group was only the 13 teams whose season hasn’t ended yet. Not to mention that they’re all in the same place, so it’s a lot different than 28 MLB teams of 28 or 29 man rosters scattered across 14 different cities. There are also obviously way more black NBA players than MLB players but still, it was a lot easier logistically to make a decision as a group than it would have been for MLB.

Did you want the commissioners office to cancel games? Because that wouldn’t have been what happened with the NBA. I mean, Jason Heyward wanted the Cubs to play. You ask “what else could he have said?” Uhh I guess he could have challenged his teammates to not play and join him in his protest. I’m not criticizing him at all but he easily could have said that and he apparently decided not to. Dom Smith could have not played if he didn’t want to but he was in the starting lineup. He decided to protest by kneeling for the anthem before the game, a decision he made on his own at the last minute. Are you saying he “failed” because his protest didn’t include taking himself out of the lineup?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Connor Grey

This is actually what I wanted to come here to say, before reading some of the crazypants stuff down below. It started in the NBA because the Bucks play(ed) physically close to Kenosha and one of their players got roughed up by cops a couple of years ago. Then it spread the Brewers, because they had the same city. It only had to spread to another 6+ teams for the NBA to shut down, and they got a head start because of where it started. I know that baseball is more reactionary than the NBA in general but this does not seem like a fair critique.

yeahjeetz
5 years ago

Your characterization of the Jacob Blake incident is wrong. He wasn’t unarmed. He admitted he was armed in the investigation and a knife was recovered from his vehicle. I don’t think he should have been shot, but let’s not pretend he is a completely innocent victim here. Furthermore, we have NO IDEA if the officer’s actions were racially motivated. Incidents like this happen to white people all the time with little to no media attention.

It’s completely unclear what the benefit of a players’ strike would be. If players have advocated for a specific law or policy to be changed, I haven’t seen it. We have processes in place to handle incidents like this, so we should let that play out and then decide if injustice has occurred. Are we just supposed to stop playing sports until every single issue in the world is solved? If so, I guess sports are over then because that will never happen.

Connor Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  yeahjeetz

Show me one example of a white guy getting shot 7 times in front of his kids from point blank range simply for not wanting to talk to police. Shit would’ve been unwarranted if he was under arrest for murder, but all he did was break up a fight that someone called the police for.

yeahjeetz
5 years ago
Reply to  Connor Grey

Not sure if there is a specific example of that, but this article links to several examples of police killings of white people that have mostly gone unnoticed: https://www.city-journal.org/reflections-on-race-riots-and-police

I’m not arguing that the shooting of Blake was justified. I’m suggesting that we let the investigation happen and then react to the results. This also isn’t a problem unique to black Americans, despite what the media may tell you.

crew87Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  yeahjeetz

oh ok. as long as police are killing Black people and white people in equal amounts (they’re not), we’re all good here.

yeahjeetz
5 years ago
Reply to  crew87

Not what I’m saying at all, nice straw man tho

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  crew87

He was answering the question posted by Connor Grey, above. When he did so, you started to put words in his mouth, and by doing so making other assumptions.

Connor Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  yeahjeetz

I’m not saying white people are born with an immunity force field that prevents them from getting their rights violated by the police. But POC are waaaaaaaay more likely to deal with police brutality than white people and it’s not close.

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago
Reply to  Connor Grey

Black people are more likely to interact with police because black people commit a vastly higher rate of crime. Black people are also more likely to kill police officers. As of recent data they are responsible for 53% of homicides and about 60% of robberies nationally while accounting for about 12% of the population.

I am from the south side of Chicago a lifelong resident in fact. Do you want to guess who is almost exclusively responsible for the thousands of shootings, hundreds of murders here every year since the mid 1960’s?

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago

Oh, you’ve already let on that you ‘know’ the answer. You don’t like it here? Get the hell out of Chicago, then.

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago
Reply to  Connor Grey

Simply for not wanting to talk to the police? That is not what happened. I see there is quite a bit of misinformation and ignorance in this comment section. The police were called because Blake was committing a crime. The responding officers were informed Blake had an outstanding warrant for felony sexual assault. They tried to arrest him, he resisted and the police deployed less lethal force. Blake admitted he was armed with the knife. If you want examples of white people being killed by police the list is extensive. Maybe you should try doing some actual research.

That goes for most of the people posting comments here. There are also several studies published over the last few years that failed to find any racial bias in police use of deadly force.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Did you watch the video of the interaction between the police and Jacob Blake? The police were literally shouting for him to drop the knife…

Vlad's Dad
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

airforce21one is an asshole!

I shouted it, it must be true.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Vlad's Dad

There is literally a well-worn “joke” about police officers beating the hell out of suspects while shouting “stop resisting” as if humans are capable of turning off natural responses to being beaten.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe he had a knife in his hand. You don’t closely chase someone who is holding a knife. You either create distance or you shoot.

Connor Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  Connor Grey

At the time I posted the comment that Blake got shot simply for not wanting to talk to police, all I’d seen were neighbors quoted as saying he was breaking up a fight with two women when the cops got there. I didn’t know about his criminal history but my point still stands that he didn’t deserve to get shot seven goddamn times in front of his children.

JerryF1983
5 years ago
Reply to  yeahjeetz

Also Blake was not shot while breaking up a fight. He was shot while resisting arrest for outstanding warrants, including sexual assault. A Taser had been unsuccessfully used before the escalation to the firearm…although 7 shots does seem excessive.

It looks like the author is really invested in making this look like police misconduct without bothering to learn the basic facts of the case.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  JerryF1983

It is police misconduct. He was not threatening anyone at the time. If they knew he had warrants for his arrest, they knew his name and where he lived. If he resisted arrest they should have just let him. He wasn’t threatening anyone. They could then pick him up at a later date and add an additional charge of resisting arrest. There is absolutely no justification for the police to escalate the situation by tasering him, and certainly no justification for the police to risk everyone’s life in the area by shooting him repeatedly. It is absolutely crazy that anyone can justify this.

MH252525
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

Police Officers are required by law to bring someone in that has a warrant that they encounter even if it is for traffic violations. It is why some police officers don’t even run ID’s for routine stops towards the end of their shift because they don’t want to bring someone in.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

Policing in America is like nowhere else in the developed world. Of course the police should try to bring in people with arrest warrants. But police should not create dangerous situations that otherwise would not have existed to do so. They need to be able to make a judgement call to decide what is in the best interest of public safety (including the safety of the suspect). It is rarely the case that escalating a situation to violence in order to secure an arrest is in the interest of public safety.

I never realised how absurd American policing was until moving away from the US. The antagonistic relationship that exists between the police and everyone else really only exists in the US and developing countries plagued by corruption where the police basically act as roadside pirates.

One of America’s longest running reality shows (“Cops”) is basically just a glorification of the use of excessive force by the police. It’s crazy.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

So we should leave it up to police officers on when they can let criminals loose?

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Well apparently they already get to decide who to kill.

London Yank
5 years ago

The BLM movement is interesting to see as an American who does not live in America. Since its inception BLM , it was mainstream in the US to demonise the movement and people who supported it (e.g. Colin Kaepernick). We see a lot of US news in our news here in the UK. The news coming out of America recently has been nothing short of horrific. People here were absolutely appalled seeing the footage of a police officer calmly executing a man in plain view of the public as if it was perfectly normal. Amazingly, the BLM movement spread throughout the world. It is much less political here than in the US. The vast majority of people agree that 1) black lives do matter, 2) that society disproportionately treats black people as if their lives do not matter, and 3) that this needs to change immediately.

When Premier League football resumed every person involved has worn BLM on their kit, every player, every manager, every coach, every referee, every person in the stadium has kneeled in support before every match. It is not controversial here.

The US is at a breaking point. It is failing in so many obvious ways. Every little thing has managed to become politicised and tribalised. It’s very sad to see (even if from afar).

DannyMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

I’ll agree that it is not controversial here in England, and I appreciate that. But (1) it’s very easy to line up to criticize someone else, far away, for a problem you don’t perceive yourself having and (2) racism is obviously not some intrinsically American phenomenon.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  Danny

I don’t understand support for the BLM movement in the UK to be about criticism of the US. I understand it as acknowledgement that there is work to do here as well. When you see, for example, Ian Wright and other commentators discussing it, they are doing so with respect to how it pertains to us here in the UK.

mr_hoggMember since 2020
5 years ago

Thank you for this piece.

ABaseballDude
5 years ago

The dude had an f-ing knife and resisted arrest. The looting and rioting under the “guise” of equality is total garbage. Yet again fangraphs allows their liberal writers to spread their liberal group think. Makes me all that much happier I cancelled my membership. As for the players striking over “not caring about black lives” funny how they don’t strike when dozens of blacks are killed by other blacks in Chicago, in New York, etc. but yeah that doesn’t fit the the liberal group think Marxist agenda so let’s ignore it.

London Yank
5 years ago
Reply to  ABaseballDude

Do you really think either of those things should be instant death sentences?! That Americans want to live in a brutal police state is beyond comprehension.

crew87Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  ABaseballDude

whatabout, whatabout, whatabout….

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  ABaseballDude

Cancel Culture strikes again.

Vlad's Dad
5 years ago
Reply to  ABaseballDude

Looting, check.

Cherry-picked quote, check.

Whataboutism, check.

Marxism reference, check.

I feel like all these nonsensical right-wing responses follow the same checklist…

tribetime69
5 years ago

“yet another police shooting of an unarmed black man…” – This is a flat out lie. He was armed, he had a knife (source below), it looks like there is plenty of photo evidence if you do a simple Google search. Please issue a correction immediately. People like you are inflaming civil conflict in our country and are complicit in the death and destruction plaguing our streets. Please stick to baseball, thanks.

– A concerned citizen

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8668375/Jacob-Blake-KNIFE-cops-shot-says-Wisconsin-AG.html

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  tribetime69

First that photo can be anything, second, so what? Why would you use deadly force on someone with his back to you even if they did have a knife?

And he had a knife in his car? Breonna Taylor probably had knifes in her kitchen as well.

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

What your saying is ridiculous. What should the police have done after already deploying less lethal force with an armed and wanted violent criminal? Particularly in the proximity of children. This could have easily turned into the children being taken hostage or worse.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

Sure, it could have. Or it could not have. Still doesn’t make me think they should use lethal force. Seriously though, explain to me why him having a knife in his car is bad? They shot him, and then afterwards found a knife. Shoot first, find knife later.

Remember, the very next day when a 17 year old was breaking the law in the same city and was armed with an AR-15 and the police said how thankful they were for him and made sure he was hydrated before he went out and shot three people? Then they let him leave the state? Then he was praised as a hero by conservative media? Is that not a reason to protest?

Shirtless George Brett
5 years ago

This could have easily turned into the children being taken hostage or worse

So we are shooting people because of whatever ridiculous “what if” scenario you can come up with? That sounds like a super idea.

“I had to shoot him. If I didnt he might have got in his car and drove it into the daycare across the street!”

“I had to shoot him, if i didnt he might have went home and killed his family!”

“I had to shoot him. If i didnt he might have hijacked that plane and flown it into a school!”

And you have the gall to say other people are being ridiculous.

Vlad's Dad
5 years ago

What if all the prisoners let out early during COVID turn back into violent criminals and take our children hostage, or worse?!

I guess we should’ve just executed them as well, right?

tribetime69
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

I made no statements about legitimate use of force or Breonna Taylor, I pointed out the fact that describing Jacob Blake as unarmed was a lie. But I bet the dopamine from the upvotes on your comment makes you feel like a good boy!

dodgerbleu
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Respectfully, I don’t know why any of us are claiming to know. We don’t. I clicked the link, read the “If Your Time is Short”, this article is inconclusive and it states as much. Sorry, I just can’t bring myself to judge a terrible and sickening tragedy from as of yet unsubstantiated “facts” from a website who by their own admission (also to their credit) made some significant and damaging false claims with the “UnNews” initiative (again, they addressed it, but point is the site is not infallible and all facts are not known) and I’m certainly not going to pay attention to or even bother clicking on some silly tabloid article like the Sun link above.

In a nutshell, you should both stop because you are both giving the other side an argument to make. It’s not about who is right. It’s about the poor soul who was shot seven times in his back in front of his children.

mookie monster
5 years ago

Thank you for writing this excellent and thoughtful piece. I am disappointed but not surprised by all the whataboutism in the comments.

I don’t expect most of the white MLB players to support or even understand the BLM movement. I do find it disappointing they wouldn’t show more solidarity with their Black colleagues who have chosen to strike.

net81652
5 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

I’m uncomfortable with the expectation that white players should just fall in line. Maybe they just want to play ball? I have zero issue with any player that chooses to sit out, but everyone should be able to make the individual decision for themselves.

mookie monster
5 years ago
Reply to  net81652

Obviously they do just want to play ball. Most everyone who has just stood by and said nothing about injustice does so because they just want to go about their lives. This is exactly what the “white moderate” that MLK wrote about would do.

Also obviously, the players can make the decision for themselves, and they have. Likewise, we all get to make our own judgments of those decisions, and here we are.

akgerman
5 years ago

“In the wake of yet another police shooting of an unarmed Black man”
“What is the value of a baseball game against a human life?”
Check out Roland Fryer’s studies on police shooting over the last five years and the Wash Post data base. 9-14 Unarmed black men shot by police last year. And when compared to violent crimes committed 3/10,000 black men are shot by police vs 4/10,000 white men. I”m disappointment in FG for not doing the research or the math. This would be a statistically insignificant number. There are 1,000 police shooting a year, with 60,000,000 police interactions. You guys know all about small samples but are just buying into the lie of the meaningless facts. Get a GRIP. In addition, 60 murders happened in Chicago this weekend, More to come. Roland Fryer has another piece about what happens when these incident’s become flashpoints. Cops back off, More crime, more murder. He linked 911 extra murders due to the backing off in St. Louis, Baltimore and others. Your story here is intellectually dishonest and it’s disappointing coming from a math based site. Either you are lying in order to avoid the mob, or are stupid. I’m positive you’re not stupid. Check out Whitlock’s piece today. He suggests, correctly, a better use of these athlete’s time and money would be to help black businesses. https://www.outkick.com/whitlock-milwaukee-bucks-black-athletes-can-no-longer-afford-to-just-do-it/

“Nearly 200,000 people have died in the COVID-19 pandemic owing largely to a governmental response that’s alternated between incompetence and negligence.”

Second point. use your xFIP mentality to back into what the ‘rona deaths’ should be. Back of the envelope most of the deaths are old, fragile people. What % of those would have died anyway without the “rona? these political opinions stated as facts are just brutal. Embedded even.

Can’t wait til you all lose your jobs because sports don’t matter anymore. Maybe then you’ll leave your bubble and see the real world.

yeahjeetz
5 years ago
Reply to  akgerman

Not surprised a comment presenting actual data on this is being downvoted

Cave Dameron
5 years ago
Reply to  yeahjeetz

This site loves data until they disagree with it.

dozingoffdadMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  akgerman

The same Roland Fryer with multiple sexual harassment claims against him?

DannyMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

Now that definitely renders his data suspect!

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  akgerman

The important part of the fryer paper (which is awesome, as are his chapters on discrimination and his work on the wealth gap!) is that conditional on an encounter AA victims are twice as likely to end in violence.

Cops kill way too many people in America, full stop. They aren’t racially biased in doing so. However, they appear to have a significant racial bias in escalating an encounter to where it ends in violence.

The other big thing from that paper is that most cops never shoot anyone. But the cops who do shoot people are extremely likely to do it again.

tomerafan
5 years ago

I’m horrified by the Jacob Blake shooting… as a man, as a father… to be shot in the back seven times, in front of your children, for not listening… I don’t want to live a world of policing where that is considered a justified response to the situation at hand… but in terms of the baseball reaction to that event, this blog post is one big fat swing and a miss.

It’s disappointing that the crux of this article is to criticize players for a lack of solidarity based on the author’s next-morning expectations rather than the players’ real-time reality. Far more objective write-ups of the scene at Citi Field last night, for example, indicate that some of the Mets players were unaware of the NBA’s actions or even the actions of certain MLB teams until after first pitch of their own game. These are pro athletes; an hour before the game they aren’t sitting on Twitter reading about current events and may not be hearing about the Milwaukee Bucks. It feels so hollow to fault athletes for preparing for the game at hand without realizing what’s happening elsewhere around them.

Mookie Betts chose to speak out to his clubhouse, and more power to him and the Dodgers for their actions. But it was three hours later in local time. There’s a reason the East Coast games were played in full and it’s called time zones. (No mention of that in this post; yet another swing and a miss.)

Listen to Dom Smith’s audio last night. It’s freaking heartbreaking. And yet one of the most telling aspects of how HE feels is at the very end, when he says that he really doesn’t care whether other players kneel or anything because it isn’t about them.

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago

The notion that he was there breaking up a domestic disturbance has been debunked.

nbcchicago.com 8/26/2020

“According to the Wisconsin Department of Justice, police were called to the 2800 block of 40th Street Sunday after a woman said her boyfriend “was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.” Officers arrived at the scene and attempted to arrest 29-year-old Blake, at one point using a Taser in an attempt to stop him, but that attempt was unsuccessful, the DOJ said.”

“Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward,” a press release from the department read. “While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon.” According to the release, Blake admitted to investigators that he did have a knife at the time and a knife was recovered from the driver’s side floorboard of his vehicle. No other weapons were found, the report said. The officers “immediately provided medical aid,” the DOJ said, and Blake was taken to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee, where he remains.”

Then there is the outstanding arrest warrant.

newsweek 8/26/20

“Prosecutors in Kenosha County, Wisconsin charged Blake, 29, with third-degree sexual assault, trespassing and disorderly conduct in connection with domestic abuse last month, according to The Kenosha News. An arrest warrant for Blake was issued on July 6.”

This is the person the NBA, MLB and NFL stand with. And people wonder why ESPN’s NBA playoff ratings are down 40% from last season or that Trump is seeing his pest approval ratings, 52% per Zogby Analytics. Trump’s approval actually went up during the DNC convention per Rasmussen while Joe Biden didn’t see a convention bounce per a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

tomerafan
5 years ago

So, everyone charged with a crime is guilty of it before having a trial? And someone charged with a crime 8 weeks ago deserves to get shot in the back in front of their kids for not listening?

This whole thing isn’t about what Jacob Blake did or didn’t do on July 6. It’s about what an inexperienced cop did to change the lives of Jacob Blake and his children here in August. The response is disproportionate to the situation at hand. Three cops against a guy who may or may not have had a knife in his hand, and the end result is seven bullets in the back, paralysis, organ damage, and the trauma of minor children?

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Stop with the straw man garbage. You don’t know what you are talking about. I am from the south side of Chicago. I have intimate knowledge of street violence and police misconduct. One of my friend’s father was killed being restrained by CPD. Another family friend, unarmed was shot dead by police in Las Vegas. I have had friends as young as 14 and 15 beaten by police for the crime of underage drinking and being smart asses. I was pulled over on several occasions in my teens and stopped and frisked on the street for no apparent reason. Part of it is growing up on the south side of Chicago, where shootings and other violent street crime occurs on a daily basis. I have also done my fair share of research over the years. I have gone over FBI data, the FBI gang report, the NYPD annual report on crime and about a half dozen different studies over the years that failed to find racial bias in police use of deadly force.

The police were called to the scene because Blake was in the act of committing a crime. He resisted arrest and less lethal force was deployed. He was armed with a knife and in the proximity to children. Find me a police department in the country that would let a violent, wanted, armed criminal leave the scene or possibly take hostages because the children in the vehicle.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

Again, armed with a knife in the proximity of children? So, having a knife in your car is illegal? So what if he had a warrant? What does that have to do with anything?

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

Wow are you delusional.

It is illegal in Wisconsin to carry a concealed and dangerous weapon (including a knife) by anyone who is PROHIBITED from possessing a firearm.

tomerafan
5 years ago

There are tons of things that are illegal that don’t carry the punishment of getting shot seven times in the back in plain sight of your kids. Or having an adult kneel on your neck for eight minutes and forty-six seconds. Your mileage may, and obviously does, vary.

tomerafan
5 years ago

Wait – you cite the outstanding arrest warrant, I respond to it, and I’m guilty of “straw man garbage?” How many arrows do you keep in your quiver because I believe there is a hole in the bottom.

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

I never said “everyone charged with a crime is guilty of it before having a trial?” Don’t put words in my mouth, Blake escalated the situation and the police escalated the use of force. I have yet to see any racial bias related to this case. The police were called on Blake. You understand that right? He had an outstanding felony warrant. He was armed with a weapon.

tomerafan
5 years ago

I didn’t put words in your mouth. I asked a rhetorical question. I made my point explicitly and plainly without any need to insinuate, so I will repeat my second paragraph verbatim.

This whole thing isn’t about what Jacob Blake did or didn’t do on July 6. It’s about what an inexperienced cop did to change the lives of Jacob Blake and his children here in August. The response is disproportionate to the situation at hand. Three cops against a guy who may or may not have had a knife in his hand, and the end result is seven bullets in the back, paralysis, organ damage, and the trauma of minor children?

DannyMember since 2016
5 years ago

I deeply admire people with conviction. And I empathize with people who feel – like Dave Roberts – that this isn’t a political issue. I think any athlete with the courage to strike for protest should be commended.

What frustrates me – and, I imagine, many others – is the tone of an article that moves from encouragement of personal conviction to incredulousness that ANYONE wanted to play last night. There are a lot of things going wrong in this country. Athletes could reasonably strike to promote awareness of poverty, coronavirus, voting rights, healthcare, climate change, and so much else. The fact that they don’t, and that no one would chide them for it, stands in stark opposition to the BLM phenomenon, where the conformism of virtue signaling diminishes the courage of conviction and the power of example in favor of icky corporate co-option. Make no mistake – the NBA’s corporate adoption of BLM is an advertising statement like any other.

One reason why this has become a political issue, like virtually everything else in America – and by no means the only one, don’t get me twisted – is because we insist on everything being a moral statement and everyone else conforming to our view of that morality, instead of appreciating and listening to various points of view, even the obvious ones like the idea that everyone, including black people, matter.

TL;DR – let’s applaud the courage of people willing to take a stand for something they (and I) believe in. Let’s not scold people who see a different – sometimes only slightly different! – facet of an enormously complex issue.

tomerafan
5 years ago
Reply to  Danny

TL;DR Amen!

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  Danny

It might also be a political issue because the highest ratest infotainment specialist on the highest rated newstainment network has spent three months restoking the fears of the 1960s that we saw during the 1968 Nixon v Humphrey election, prior to standing on the side of the 17-year-old vigilante murderer.

There is absolutely room for different points of view on policing, the prison system, and reforms of both. We saw exactly that before the US senate failed to deliver any reform, no matter how low hanging the fruit may have been, following one of, if not the, largest protest movements in US history.

The differing views in that case were: should we outright ban the use of chokeholds, or should we heavily incentivize banning the use of chokeholds by tying federal funding to the use or prohibition of using chokeholds. That’s one of hundreds of issues relevant to this movement, and those are entirely reasonable positions to hold. There are other reasonable positions to hold.

I think we have to be really careful with conflating both sides-ism/room for differing viewpoints on policy and reform, with morality. “We insist on everything being a moral statement and everyone else conforming to our view of that morality” – I mean, we take a pledge from such a young age as to not possibly understand what we are pledging, that we are “one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”. I don’t think there is really another side to “the status quo for police interaction with black Americans is totally unacceptable” in a moralistic sense, or better yet, a foundational values sense. We are pledging allegiance to this nation on the basis that there is equal liberty and justice for all, but continually tolerating and reinforcing very very very very obviously unequal liberty and justice? I’m not sure what the “other side” to that particular issue is, unless there is any kind of moral or legal case for a black American to enjoy less liberty and justice than other Americans?

jrl133Member since 2025
5 years ago

watching for the day that Fangraphs, and this author particularly, go radio-silent for a day or so in support of BLM…lots of judgments of others’ behaviors offered in this piece but not a word of personal or professional commitment

m_pemulis
5 years ago
Reply to  jrl133

You don’t get it. Journalists (aka bloggers) are the real essential heroes in all this. rEaD tHE RoOM

EccentricChemistMember since 2020
5 years ago

People like me paid for a sports article membership, if you want to write about politics and current events go apply for a job at MSNBC or CNN where you can promote your biased views. These sort of articles make me not want to renew my membership.

Shirtless George Brett
5 years ago

Then dont. Bye. you wont be missed.

EccentricChemistMember since 2020
5 years ago

I’m sure Dave Appleman would totally appreciate half his viewership disappearing because a statistical baseball site decided to become a political hachet site?

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago

Just blatant hypocrisy from people who can’t stop talking about Cancel Culture when it fits their narrative. Of course, everyone already knew that. Also, good luck finding a pro-racist, pro-police brutality baseball analytics website. Let us know how that goes.

Shirtless George Brett
5 years ago

“half his viewership” . LMAO. Bless your delusional heart.

Fangraphs has always talked about political/societal issues as they apply to baseball because baseball is not played in a vacuum. This is no different.

I’m sure you can go find some shitty reddit/twitter echo chamber that wont hurt your poor feewings.

Brad Lipton
5 years ago

There was a thought-provoking and measured article to be written about this topic from the perspective of Fangraphs. This was not it.

The article did touch on some important points, but the author:

(1) Mentioned Blake trying to break up a fight, which is untrue…at best, he could have provided “allegedly” or, better, left that part out (while keeping in the link). It was not necessary for the article, but the author made a decision to leave it in

(2) The incompetence and negligence commentary about the COVID-19 pandemic. Those are incendiary and purposeful words. It could have been said differently, but the author wanted to write it like that.

(3) The author took great pains to write about the civilian protests being met with scorn, etc (and commented on the killing of a protester), but I read not a word about the daily riots and looting. The author purposefully left that out in the discussion as it did not support his narrative.

There are more, but those are just three.

A Craig Edwards or Jay Jaffe article on the topic would have been much better.

Max Power
5 years ago
Reply to  Brad Lipton

They need to find work for the writer that doesn’t really do stats

Max Power
5 years ago

In the Dark Ages, pretty much any action that someone wanted to do other than pray all the time was scolded (or, you know, they were burned at the stake). Want to sing a song, make a piece of art, or write something that wasn’t explicitly about about God or Jesus? Yep, that’s heresy.

In the Renaissance, those views were loosened a bit. You could still be a good Christian, but also, if you wanted to, draw a painting of peasants getting water out of a well.

Hopefully, in the next 600 years or so, we can get to a place and time where athletes, who of course care about equality, but don’t necessarily want to become social justice monks and think about that 24/7, can do their jobs without being scolded by sports writers.

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

I admire your optimism in seeing 600 years of future humanity

ghostofbrandonfahey
5 years ago

Should a strike be for a game? To strike for a game and make a point, I am okay with. Take a stand and say we care about our Black teammates and condemn police brutality. But, what’s the end game? Will strike be for the rest of the season? Should it be indefinite until we are “a well-functioning society”? People aren’t allowed to have baseball or other entertainment until that vague goal is reached? Is there a specific policy that a strike is trying to achieve? Police reform isn’t exactly an easy policy arena. There are 1000’s upon 1000’s of police interactions everyday in a county of over 300 million. Will there be a strike every time there is a shooting? What’s the end game? People will find other entertainment avenues and sports (MMA, European soccer, whatever).

rhswanzey
5 years ago

It was the day before Jackie Robinson Day, the day before the 57th anniversary of the March on Washington, and the day after the first time players have caught teams/leagues/commentators/media/etc. totally offguard by postponing *playoff* games on their own accord.

Andrew Rhodes
5 years ago

Great piece Jon, thank you for sharing.

Paul G.Member since 2016
5 years ago

In the wake of yet another police shooting of an unarmed Black man — this time in Kenosha, Wisconsin, where local cops fired seven rounds into the back of 29-year-old Jacob Blake as he tried to break up a fight…

Are you sure you have your facts correct? Per the WI DOJ, the police were called because of the admittedly somewhat vague reason “boyfriend wasn’t supposed to be there.” (The “girlfriend” apparently called the police.) He resisted arrest. They tried to use a taser on him but it didn’t work. Blake himself admitted he had a knife. They found a knife under the seat of his car, which it appears where he was grasping when the police officer shot him. As far as I have been able to tell, if he was trying to break up a fight he was doing it in a very odd way.

MH252525
5 years ago

He had a warrant out for his arrest. He was resisting arrest and not following instructions. He started entering his car and therefore had access to anything that was under the seat or in the center console. How do the officers know what he is digging around for, especially if they already know he’s wanted for a violent felony? Are they suppose to wait for him to turn around with a gun pointed in their faces? That’s too late. You’re dead.

I keep seeing people saying his back was to them as a reason for saying they shouldn’t have shot him. When you can’t see someone’s hands is exactly when they are the most dangerous. If he was facing them, then they know what he has in his hands. With his back to them, they have NO IDEA what he is grabbing for.

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

Could you explain why the police are yelling “DROP THE KNIFE!” as he walks around his car, when there is clearly no knife in his hands as he does this?

If you’d like, I’d be happy to link you to videos showing white suspects ignoring officers’ commands and returning to their vehicles, who do not encounter any use of lethal force.

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement
Findings From the National Violent Death Reporting System, 17 U.S. States, 2009–2012
Sarah DeGue, PhD,1 Katherine A. Fowler, PhD,1 and Cynthia Calkins, PhD2

“Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.”

free-range turducken
5 years ago

Why did the author put in this comment:

America right now is far from a well-functioning society. Nearly 200,000 people have died in the COVID-19 pandemic owing largely to a governmental response that’s alternated between incompetence and negligence.

I’ll agree with the first sentence. But which of the following serves as evidence of that fact:

a. The fact that someone like Eric Garner could be murdered in cold blood, without any consequences for the offending officer, because of systemic issues in certain portions of our police force that allow for brutality and racism to converge tragically far too often.

b. The fact that the world, including the US (and even the enlightened UK 😉 ) was caught off guard by a once-in-100 years virus leading to a rapid spread in a highly-connected global community, giving ample opportunity for political finger-pointing.

Some gentle advice for the author….if you want to make a case, stick to that case and don’t conflate issues. Folks may assume (correctly or not) that you have an agenda broader than the case you’re trying to make. Even if you do, make that agenda one case at a time.

Ruben Amaro Jr.
5 years ago

Dumb ass.

Paul G.Member since 2016
5 years ago

“Sports are like the reward of a functioning society,” as Sean Doolittle put it in back in early July — a quote that’s routinely resurfaced on Twitter in the weeks since and mushroomed all over timelines on Wednesday, as the men and women whose bodies and work provide the foundation for their sports decided that this is a society that no longer deserved the privilege.

Professional sports in general and MLB is particular are a form of entertainment. This is a luxury good for which consumers will spend both spare time and spare money. Said consumers will spend both spare time and spare money on professional sports not because they need to do so but because they choose to do so, as in they prefer this form of entertainment over other available options competing for their spare time and spare money. As much as it may aspire to be on the food, clothing, and shelter level of priorities, professional sports is not and never will be, barring a severely dysfunctional and most likely short lived society, be a necessity. It may be a passion. It may be an obsession. But at the end of the day it is a nice to have.

In our current world, there are literally thousands of way to find entertainment. More or less any book that has ever been written that anyone cares about is readily available, often in minutes and often for free. There are hundreds of television and cable stations, not to mention streaming services both pay and free, fighting for your viewing. Music services can put millions of titles at your fingertips for your listening pleasure, and if you prefer there are podcasts and audio books a plenty, not to mention the standard radio fare to be plucked out of the thin air! There are multitudes of video games of all sorts desperately wanting your attention. The Internet beckons! Look here, Facebook would like your time. Golly, Twitter is screaming for attention. Again. Wonderful…. If you tried to sample everything YouTube had to offer, you would be long dead before getting through a small fraction of it and more is being added every day. Oh, and here’s a web site that discusses baseball. And here’s another. And there’s yet another. What about offline options? They can go walk in the park, or hike in the woods. Contrary to popular belief, some people really like fixing up their house, or cooking, or tending their garden. Go to the gym. Go to the beach. Shoot some hoops. Knit a sweater. Write that long delayed novel. And, gasp, you can always spend more time with the family. I know, a shocking suggestion. That Monopoly game is not going to play itself, you know. The uses for spare time and spare money are basically infinite.

And that’s the rub. Sean Doolittle is essentially declaring a hostage situation: give us what we want, or we will take MLB away from you. He is treating his product – professional baseball – as if it is a necessity. But we don’t need baseball. It’s not oxygen. I’m sure most if not all of the people who post here would miss baseball if it went away, some of us very deeply, but we just spent several months without baseball and somehow we survived. We found other things to do. But you know who needs baseball? Sean Doolittle needs baseball. If baseball goes away, I need to find something else to do. If baseball goes away, Sean Doolittle is not getting paid.

To put it simply, the MLB has no – zero, none, nada – leverage here. It is especially ironic that a sport that has be decrying it has been losing viewers to other forms of entertainment would even consider punishing their own audience! I like baseball, but baseball needs me, not the other way around. If MLB wants to commit suicide I’ll feel terrible about it, but at least I’ll still be here.

Sean’s declaration is one of those “profound” statements that upon further review are complete nonsense.

StuSheaMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Paul G.

You claim to know that Sean Doolittle NEEDS baseball! Are you clairvoyant or full of crap?

rhswanzey
5 years ago

My continued reaction was that it is hard not to root for the NBA, and also extreme frustration, because the league is trying to fill a leadership vacuum that it isn’t designed to do. Like, I have been impressed that leagues aren’t willing to silence or blackball these men anymore. The leagues should provide greater support, but also, this isn’t supposed to be on them. That’s what the Department of Justice is supposed to be for.

rhswanzey
5 years ago

I just wanted to leave this excerpt here – it ran in New Yorker last weekend. It’s worth considering as we pour through comments sections here, but especially elsewhere.

“The lawyer is not a mainstream Republican; he likes Bill Clinton and Bernie Sanders. He was also unbothered by the recent Senate report on Russia’s election meddling. (“If you’re not interfering with elections,” he said, “you’re not doing it right.”) Out of curiosity, he attended a far-right gathering, where he found the younger attendees to be “maybe a little misguided, but well intended.” He began creating fake Twitter accounts, he said, to see “whether I could get more interactions, more retweets, by being a little more radical.” The Confederate flag was often his avatar, or the Bonnie Blue, a lesser-known Confederate banner. For his handles, he made up acronyms with a nationalistic tinge, such as FFK: Faith Folk and Kin. He fashioned the accounts’ ersatz users as boomers or gun-rights activists. The latter, he said, were easy: “Just follow Dana Loesch and interact with those crazy girls who stay up all night tweeting Second Amendment stuff.” He added, “I’d get them to retweet me and then my following would blow up.” By the time the 2016 race was under way, he had about twenty accounts, each with a few thousand followers. His fake alt-right accounts amplified Trump’s messaging and distorted Hillary Clinton’s. (“Something about her makes me nervous,” he said.) His fake Antifa ones spread what he called “disinformation and false stories” to benefit Trump.

He pulled up an old account with the handle Ruthless Lessruth. “This was supposed to be a girl who was married to an alt-right guy,” he said. He explained how he’d used the account to trick an Antifa group into protesting an alt-right rally that didn’t exist: “I P.M.’d the head of the Atlanta Antifa and told him that my ‘husband’ was alt-right and that I was repulsed by it.” Then, in the guise of the wife, he directed the Atlanta Antifa group to a would-be rally at a Marriott Marquis. A bunch of people showed up. “That was hard to do, to pose as a girl with political views that I’m not familiar with.” Some of his Antifa accounts also pushed veganism. “You have to find some community to exploit,” he said. “I’d find an approved vegan account with Antifa leanings and interact with them a bit. It was really tedious. But I’m a lawyer—I get into the minutiae.” Manning accounts on both sides of the political spectrum had its risks. “There was always the fear of tweeting something out of the wrong account,” he said. “Like praising immigration to my alt-right followers or something.”

Lysander
5 years ago

There are numerous social justice / political websites where one can vent and until now, I assumed that FanGraphs was focused on baseball. Guess I was wrong and will have to consider other options.

Shirtless George Brett
5 years ago
Reply to  Lysander

Bye. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  Lysander

Baseball players, coaches and teams made a decision to focus on something besides baseball for a day, and you’re blaming the website for that decision instead of hearing why the baseball players, coaches and teams made that decision.

valenzuela
5 years ago

Maybe not everybody in US thinks that every African American with a criminal record who dies in a self-instigated clash with the police should be treated like a national hero. Has any professional sports league ever criticized young black men in general for not behaving more like responsible citizens so these kinds of dangerous situations wouldn’t arise so frequently in the first place? Since I think the answer is no, why should they be considered remiss to the extent they do not take the opposite side?

docgooden85Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  valenzuela

We know there are a lot of low key white supremacists out there. The idea is to marginalize them. As you can see in this thread, nobody is going to change your minds.

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  valenzuela

How dare Breonna Taylor sleep in her own apartment. If she wasn’t one of “those” people, the cops wouldn’t have shot her.

Your comment reeks of the kind of racist prejudice we see in a black human being that causes a lot of these situations to turn into attempted murder and successful murder, instead of detaining someone for a misdemeanor.

I guess Trayvon Martin wasn’t supposed to go to a convenience store. Black kids at convenience stores are hoodlums and I should fear them and shoot before they shoot me. I’m not a racist, but…

Ozzie Albies
5 years ago

Please downvote this comment. I’m feeling a bit left out this morning.

Lysander
5 years ago

So, spectator sports, an escape from injustice that occurs literally every second of every day is coincidentally and suddenly a focus of reactive resentment, nine weeks before a general election.
Given the degree and frequency of world-wide injustice, we should expect a column of this sort as a regular feature, a week for China, the world’s largest prison camp, another for the Middle East, Russia, virtually all of Africa, Cuba, Venezuela, democracy advocates in Hong Kong, much of South and Central America, SE Asia as well as the U.S. Given the immense importance of “social justice” as indicated in the article, the entire format of FanGraphs should be trashed and replaced by an emphasis on SJ concerns; after all, what’s more important, baseball or “social justice”?

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Lysander

If baseball games are cancelled related to those things, there should definitely be discussion of it, including articles. If that happens, just make sure you are close enough to your fainting couch to handle it.

mookie monster
5 years ago
Reply to  Lysander

*fart sound*

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  Lysander

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/sterling-brown-milwaukee-police-racial-injustice

What does this thread look like if a black professional athlete, or their immediate family member, became the next victim of an “officer involved shooting”?

Schoolboy
5 years ago

Re-up my membership? Nah.

Shirtless George Brett
5 years ago
Reply to  Schoolboy

You mean the membership you clearly dont have?

(PSST; it says “member” under your picture if you are a paid member.)

Schoolboy
5 years ago

Membership (conveniently) expired several days ago. Hence “re-up” rather than “join”. Good catch.

gmanger7
5 years ago

Try to follow my on this line for a second, and then it will make sense as to how this ties back into baseball/sports/entertainment.

Are we interested in the truth? Or are we only interested in power?

I view my prior marriage as a microcosm of what’s happening today in a much broader sense: two factions/tribes vying for power and control over the other. My reality was that I viewed myself as more or less the victim, with my ex as the instigator/agitator. Sounds familiar and something we call can identify with, right? While my grievances were legitimate and validated by members of her own family, after much serious introspection, I came to the conclusion that in my relationship with her, no one wanted to know the truth, because to do that would be to recognize some hard facts – that I had a hand in the toxicity of my failed marriage. That was hard for me to admit, because I just knew that my station was a direct result of my ex-wife’s approach to me and our relationship… yet, I knew that on some levels, this wasn’t a one-way road.

Anthropologically speaking, it’s a tale as old as time itself. This should not be surprising to anyone who studies human history. Should this country be ready for a true “conversation”, then it actually needs to be just that, a conversation. I’m not hearing much of a dialogue if we’re being perfectly honest to ourselves about this.

The tricky bit of it is the media is taking nuanced examples (e.g. context is critical for many things/events) and morphing them into blunt instruments, largely in the form on narrative driven pieces that amplify specific story lines and feed the mob (on either side, depending on the outlet & their political persuasions). As socially and politically unattractive as it is to say, again drawing from my many sessions in marriage counseling, both factions/tribes have a hand in the state of affairs we’re seeing today. The more one-sided these social conversations become, the more resentful one tribe becomes towards the other. Then, when reached beyond a certain tipping point, all hope for amicable resolution becomes lost, both tribes view the increasing divide as an inevitable consequence of the opposing tribe’s actions, heels get dug in, and then actual or metaphorical war breaks until one tribe can finally assert its dominance over the other for a time.

As a long time resident of West Baltimore, I can say with personal experience that the BPD has a horrible track record for the way it interacts with the local citizenry (don’t get me started). And, on the other hand, as a long time resident, I can also say that the biggest enemy to the citizenry isn’t the police either. People know what’s real and what’s not when they use their eyes and brains. I see the truth every day here. My neighbors see it, and we all know the real deal.

I think that we’ll begin to see more solidarity behind a very important social issue when they’re true and honest dialogue. And I hate to be that guy, but as a student of anthropology, the result is largely going to be the same absent accountability and ownership ON BOTH SIDES. Otherwise, this “conversation” becomes completely self serving and disingenuous because many are seeing what it truly is – a power struggle. Only seeking the truth, not power, will break the cycle. But that’s hard, because it requires both sides to recognize their flaws and own it.

So, bringing us back to baseball and sports in general…. Sports for me is an escape. And the longer the truth isn’t being sought, and the more my escape, well, escapes me, the more apathetic I become to the valid reasons underpinning this entire discussion.

May the ramblings of this codger find you all well regardless of race or beliefs. Hell, you can be rainbow colored and from another planet. Just think about these situation critically, and above all, think for yourself.

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  gmanger7

I’m having trouble trying to follow your analogy. Were you or your ancestors ever enslaved by your ex-wife or her ancestors? Just trying to understand how and why you are attempting to “both sides” the fact that this country never finished turning 3/5 of a person into 5/5 of a person. There are equivalent victims here besides the people we kidnapped and bought from a different continent before perpetually exploiting, raping and terrorizing them, before AND after the Emancipation Proclamation?

It’s pretty simple. There are lots and lots of people here who are five fifths of a person and always have been. Black Americans are not among these. There is no “both sides” to this fundamental truth. There is no fundamental equality in this society.

m_pemulis
5 years ago

I think the thing many people are having trouble with is the media hand-wringing we see in this article. After waving off symbolic gestures and messages on jerseys, the author applauds and encourages “direct action” being taken…like the symbolic cancelling of a baseball game? lolwut

And in two weeks, this will be written off as an empty gesture and the only acceptable “direct action” will something even more detached from the core issue, but “powerful” and on and on. The one thing that will always stay in the window of acceptable is journalists telling us how they are doing God’s work by writing the same thinkpiece worded 50 different ways.

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  m_pemulis

Do you have a better idea for getting the US senate to hold a vote on anything? After all, there was a lot of lip service, especially from unexpected places, three months ago. Nothing was even voted on. What would you suggest, for actually getting ANY kind of reform, no matter how benign, passed into law? What is the historical precedent for a protest movement involving tens of millions of people, resulting in no legislation whatsoever? If this US senate were around back then, women would not be able to vote, and the Voting Rights Act would not have passed. Seems like that hypothetical wouldn’t even be a problem to some folks.

The_Ace_Josh
5 years ago

An article like this has no place on Fangraphs. This has no analytical basis. No information that would improve your knowledge of the game. This is a political op-ed.

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  The_Ace_Josh

I guess the baseball players all wanted to have an off day in the schedule to make up for no all star break. A website dedicated to covering these baseball players on a daily basis should probably ignore entirely whatever it is that those players are doing on and off the field.

scrap1ron
5 years ago
Reply to  The_Ace_Josh

And a poor one at that.

Spa City
5 years ago

Should MLB refuse to play for every homicide? Or only for those involving police?

Is a human life worth less if it is taken in a domestic violence homicide? Or in a street level mugging?

Should MLB refuse to play every time a soldier is killed by a terrorist attack? Every time an officer is killed in the line of duty?

Why only for deaths that fit a current narrative?

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  Spa City

The difference between a police officer killing a black man with a gun and a homicide by domestic violence or a street level mugging, is that the police officer killing a black man with a gun is the only one of these scenarios representative of state sponsored violence. It is violence paid for by taxpayers behind a uniform indicative of employment by the state that comes with expanded rights and privileges that other civilians are not privy to.

scrap1ron
5 years ago

Seems you’ve passed judgement before all the facts were in. Is this the man who’s actions you wish to defend. The demand for racism exceeds the supply.

You think Jackie Robinson would approve?

https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/

rhswanzey
5 years ago
Reply to  scrap1ron

Due process means we are not allowed to execute people, or attempt to execute people, without a trial judged by a jury of peers. Due process is a foundational American value. Being accused of a crime does not give police officers, totally unregulated vigilante militia groups, or anyone else the right to nullify due process and execute American civilians.

scrap1ron
5 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

Are we allowed to stop a domestic woman beater armed with a knife who refuses to surrender to police and attempts to steal the victim’s van with children inside?
Or does that depend on skin pigmentation?

Your politics is appalling. Stick to baseball. And that’s what I suggest for this website too.
Get woke, go broke. They’ve had a taste of that already.

rhswanzey
5 years ago

“He talked about his new summer job as a door-to-door roofing salesman, and about an otherwise quiet afternoon of work in a nearby suburb. About the stranger in tactical gear who broke the silence by charging at Wesley and a colleague, screaming about “antifa” and terrorists, ordering the salesmen onto the ground. About the gun barrel the man jammed into the back of Wesley’s head, and the knee he pressed into the back of Wesley’s neck. About the seven or so minutes Wesley was pinned on the ground—hardly less time than a white Minneapolis police officer had spent atop another Black man, George Floyd, in a similar position, until Floyd died, just three weeks earlier.”

https://apple.news/AEz2HO7JNTS20ZKJsCK8zhw (SI)

Something needs to be done before a lethal incident directly affects a pro or college athlete or his or her family. If that happens, there are going to be more questions about what more could have been done, in the time between this week’s statement and that, god willing, strictly hypothetical incident.