Would Peter Alonso Outplay Jay Bruce?
The New York Mets are a treasure trove of interesting case studies. They’re a large-market team run frequently like a small-market one, a club that doesn’t always seem to consider the present quality of the team when making decisions about the future, an organization whose various departments — medical, public relations, etc. — don’t always appear to interact. Whatever they are, the Mess are never boring.
Fresh off rumors that the team is interested in pursuing, for their next general manager, someone who is less reliant on data, the team has recently caused the internet buzz again by choosing not to promote the team’s top first-base prospect, Peter Alonso. My colleagues Jay Jaffe and Sheryl Ring have already addressed the service-time games that involve Alonso, but I think it’s interesting to also tackle the situation by looking directly at Alonso vs. Jay Bruce as a pure baseball decision.
It’s a completely non-controversial opinion that 2018 has been a monster season for Alonso, one that has given him real hype as a prospect, something that was not a foregone conclusion entering the year. Even the ZiPS projections for Alonso didn’t quite see this comping, ranking him as the No. 2 Mets prospect coming into the season, the No. 3 first-base prospect in baseball, and the No. 99 prospect overall — all of which I believe were the most optimistic forecasts. Alonso started off the season blazing hot, hitting .408/.505/.776 with seven home runs in April for the Binghamton Rumble Ponies. That performance led to a mid-June promotion to Triple-A Las Vegas. Alonso struggled early there, hitting .171/.330/.368 with 29 strikeouts in 76 at-bats for the 51s. That was extremely concerning in light of the fact that, at 23, Alonso was not a young player at Double-A, but he hit .297/.367/.676 with 17 homers in 182 at-bats after the All-Star break.
Plus, there was that homer in the Futures Game.
Alonso’s 2019 projection changed considerably over the course of the 2018 season, and you can see the ups and downs of his minor-league performances this year by the month-by-month projections for 2019. No defense is included — minor-league defensive data is difficult enough already — and I’ve put everything on a 600-plate-appearance basis so it’s easier to compare.
| Projection | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 (Preseason) | .242 | .297 | .457 | 554 | 70 | 134 | 35 | 3 | 26 | 82 | 32 | 137 | 3 | 101 |
| 2019 (After April) | .246 | .310 | .466 | 545 | 74 | 134 | 31 | 1 | 29 | 87 | 41 | 142 | 3 | 107 |
| 2019 (After May) | .243 | .321 | .464 | 535 | 76 | 130 | 27 | 2 | 29 | 88 | 49 | 149 | 2 | 110 |
| 2019 (After June) | .238 | .325 | .456 | 529 | 74 | 126 | 26 | 1 | 29 | 84 | 55 | 153 | 1 | 110 |
| 2019 (After July) | .230 | .315 | .449 | 530 | 75 | 122 | 25 | 2 | 29 | 86 | 54 | 163 | 1 | 105 |
| 2019 (Today) | .238 | .327 | .481 | 526 | 78 | 125 | 28 | 2 | 32 | 93 | 58 | 173 | 1 | 116 |
You can see the effects of his early struggles in Triple-A and just how his late-season home-run surged changed things, even more than his early-season Binghamton performances. While I haven’t tracked it specifically, I feel comfortable saying that an 11-point OPS+ jump from six weeks’ worth of data is highly unusual. Overall, what you see is a player whom had some interesting power upside but was probably not prepared to play in the majors full-time on a (possibly) contending 2019 team.
Alonso nearly doubled his walk rate in the minors from 2017, which increased the probability that his OBP would rise to the acceptable range in New York. The strikeouts jumped, as well, but just like I told people to not be concerned about Kris Bryant‘s 29% strikeout rate in Triple-A in 2014, I’m not actually concerned about this.* When you’re slugging .600 and have an isolated power north of .300, if you don’t have Joey Votto’s plate discipline, you ought to be aggressive at the plate, lest you fall into the Jeremy Hermida/Ben Grieve trap.
*Please note that if you start telling people that Dan Szymborski thinks Peter Alonso is as good as Kris Bryant, you thereby waive all rights related to not being hit in the head with a large garden shovel by me.
Bruce’s 2019 projection has gone in the opposite direction of Alonso’s. Coming into the season, Bruce wouldn’t have been a candidate to concede time to Alonso, at least as long as there was any hope of the Mets contending. Bruce largely revived his career with his .254/.324/.508, 2.6-WAR 2017 campaign, but 2018 has been a nearly unmitigated disaster, with Bruce currently residing in the dreaded sub-replacement zone. While he can rightfully argue that hip and back problems caused him to miss a lot of time this summer, by the point at which he was given a few days off for back pain in mid-June, he was hitting .216/.297/.324 and had been healthy enough to play in 61 of the team’s 64 games.
| BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 (PRESEASON) | .252 | .315 | .474 | 544 | 73 | 137 | 31 | 3 | 28 | 97 | 50 | 134 | 3 | 111 |
| 2019 (After April) | .251 | .316 | .467 | 542 | 71 | 136 | 31 | 4 | 26 | 99 | 51 | 134 | 5 | 109 |
| 2019 (After May) | .248 | .315 | .449 | 541 | 69 | 134 | 31 | 3 | 24 | 91 | 53 | 133 | 4 | 105 |
| 2019 (After June) | .244 | .311 | .437 | 542 | 66 | 132 | 30 | 3 | 23 | 89 | 52 | 133 | 5 | 101 |
| 2019 (After July) | .242 | .308 | .437 | 542 | 66 | 131 | 29 | 4 | 23 | 88 | 53 | 135 | 4 | 100 |
| 2019 (Today) | .245 | .312 | .448 | 542 | 67 | 133 | 30 | 4 | 24 | 87 | 53 | 134 | 3 | 104 |
In terms of the ZiPS projections for 2019, the 2018 season has resulted in a 22-point OPS+ swing in the Bruce vs. Alonso showdown. While the computer doesn’t think that Bruce is completely done, projecting a 104 OPS+ for him in 2019, that’s not particularly valuable, even if he shows an ability to play first base. Whether that first-base experiment — which represents the bulk of the club’s explanation for having not recalled Alonso this month — is a product of the club’s thrift or just incompetence is an open question. Players such as Matt Adams, Justin Bour, Brandon Moss, and Mark Reynolds have traveled to new locations essentially for free, so for most organizations, it’s difficult to make a case that playing first base gives a below-average bat much in the way of additional value, whether to a new or current organization. Hanlon’s razor becomes a more plausible explanation — especially when you consider that the team has shown belief in players like Jose Reyes or Jason Vargas without any obvious motive of CBA chicanery present.
As disappointing as the lack of Alonso is for an analyst, I believe I’d be even more disappointed if I were a fan of the Mets. Eliminate any questions about 2019 computer projections or collective bargaining agreements. After an 11-1 start, the Mets have been nearly unwatchable, and it’s hard to say that seeing a bunch of veterans makes the team any more palatable; seeing a slew of familiar names you remember playing much better in other uniforms is like finding out that you can watch all the TV you want, but it can only be AfterMASH or The Golden Palace. Alonso’s 2018 season was one of the few organizational highlights, and seeing just a glimpse of better times ahead is a lot more interesting than reliving the failures. The Mets’ decision to play Jay Bruce at first base down the stretch probably isn’t so much a an expression of the team’s parsimony as it is just a failure of imagination.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
There’s only one way to find out
Play them both at 1B at the same time
Comment of the year.
Don’t think the Mets hadn’t considered that!
Catching! 2b/3b anywhere out of position!…that’s also a very Mestian thing to do, hah!
One catches throws to the left of first one catches throws to the right. Best defensive first baseman in baseball. Degrom hustles over to play third base every time he releases a pitch. 9 men on field at all times.
They really are the New York “Mess”
I was briefly wondering myself if that was intentional or just a typo, but I am pretty sure it was intentional.
“Yes but who needs Peter Alonso’s offense when you have Jay Bruce’s defense!?!?”
–Jeff Wilpon talking down to all 3 of his current general managers
Right, we all know who’s making the baseball decisions, and he and his dad are the same guys who insisted on re-signing Bruce in the first place. No point even pretending that the nominal front office is at fault for it.
and a couple of nights ago, Alonso did this….
https://www.milb.com/video/alonso-blasts-walk-off-shot/c-2466164183
to close out the park for good.
The craziest part is that they had almost exactly the same decision recently and brought up both Dominic Smith and Amed Rosario, and they utterly bombed and have continued to bomb.
Maybe they think they’re learning from their mistakes, but I think the most parsimonious explanation for the difference is that they’re completely paralyzed as an organization because no one is actually in charge. It’s Mets-level dysfunction, but about ten times worse.
Rosario is almost exactly where his preseason projections placed him, and his numbers are on the upswing. He has certainly not “utterly bombed”.
Everyone including Tim tebow and his mother could outhit Bruce but I would wait and see on Alonso. Alonso has a good eye and power which are a good start but he is also a R/R bad athlete 1B with only average bat speed and hit tool.
I’m not against numbers but I think he is the kind of hitter who posts decent minor league K rates but then has a jump in k rate against mlb pitchers who have better stuff and location exposing non great batspeed and giving less mistakes to hit.
I’m not ruling out he is a 50 bat 70 game power as a best case but it easily could be 40 bat 60 power which with his defenses is a 1. Win guy.
Still better than Bruce of course.
“Please note that if you start telling people that Dan Szymborski thinks Peter Alonso is as good as Kris Bryant, you thereby waive all rights related to not being hit in the head with a large garden shovel by me.” Reminds me of Corey Taylor in “You’re making me hate you” except he says it with a whiffleball bat.
My first comment. I love the site.
But this article is one of a slew of late that takes a poop on the Mets for no good reason. This is a lost season, but the Mets have been just fine for a while now. They are two games over .500 since the All Star Break. They are within one run of the Mariners and the Giants in run differential, and you don’t see those teams ragged on mercilessly. It’s just lazy to start off every article with slight variations on the same tired jokes.
The Mets have not called up Alonso because they are manipulating his service time. That’s smart. There’s really no story here.
Yep, Fangraphs has gone the unprofessional route joining the anti-Mets fray just for fun. The latest, the New York Mess and a host of other childish insults, the kind I expect from teenagers and self-loathing Mets fans mocking ownership and fans loyal to the team. Fangraphs shouldn’t stoop to that level just to hear themselves laugh and curry readership.
And as MisterMet notes, the Mets have been playing respectable baseball since July – .500 in both July and August, and two over in September.
The drummed up calamity made over Alonso’s delayed call up, is indicative of fan impulsivity and flawed short term perspective. 40-man roster spot, Rule-5 protection for another prospect, and service time considerations are nothing new, but when the Mets do it, the world’s coming to end. But come mid-April, fans will be happy to have Alonso for a guaranteed 7th season should he actually turn out to be a big league force.
I would limit the Jay Bruce, Peter Alonso comparisons to minor league performance. Bruce was a .309 B.A. and .366 OBP minor leaguer, .917 OPS , with neither BA and OBP resembling his big league performance. Lets not put the cart before the horse.
Except that 7th season will be the age 31 season of a bat first, right handed, 1B type. This year, he’d likely be a better player than the age 31 season.
Can’t let September boredom in search of cheap short term thrill on the diamond that has no impact on playoff hunt, get in the way of gaining extra year of control of Alonso in year 7 when he’s potentially a polished star. and would be really needed.
Furthermore, a 40 man roster spot now for Alonso for that short term thrill puts another prospect at risk to loss via Rule 5 draft in December. That’s just not smart and is why the grown ups in the room -the decision-makers – have the discipline to wait it out despite outcry from a portion of the fan base that wants what it wants now regardless of consequence.
Believe me, come mid-April when that September high of introducing Alonso wore off in two weeks, you’ll be thankful to have control of Alonso for an extra year regardless of age – which BTW 31 isn’t old. Rather than rookie, he’ll be polished machine perhaps like the right hand throwing Paul Goldschmidt who turns 31 in 4 days. At 23, Goldy was not a better player than now – .808 OPS, .250 B.A. vs. .941 OPS, .295. and a seasoned force.
The problem isn’t just that they aren’t calling up Alonso. The problem is that they are refusing to call up Wright for insurance coverage (rather than saying he isn’t hitting enough, which would be true), that they would definitely have called up Tebow if he weren’t hurt, and that they refuse to either go all in and increase the budget OR so a real rebuild.
Just because you say it and believe it, doesn’t make it true, i.e., it’s just not Alonso , but also Wright for $$$ insurance purposes and Tebow for call up if not injured.
As long as David demonstrates health and big league baseball skills to safely play this September, he’s highly likely to be activated. The Mets gave him benchmarks and he’s determined to prove he can reach them .and is confident he returns this month. He hit an opposite field homer in today’s sim game against Tim Peterson. Callaway said his timing is a little off but his footwork looks good. These are all steps in the right direction. Next Sim game is Tuesday.
Regarding Tebow, there’s no indication there was any intent to call him up this season even if healthy. He’s done better than expected in AA, but he’s far from big league ready. The Tebow 2018 call up misinformation campaign is just part of an overall Mets bashing agenda. Though Alderson said it’s possible Tebow will reach the majors someday, he never said this season.
A good article except that it says the Mets have been nearly unwatchable. The reality is that every fifth day they are must-see-TV.
Also watching the likes o f McNeil, Nimmo, Wheeler, Matz, Rosario’s break out and some of the young bullpen arms who might contribute next season from Day 1 such as Drew Smith, Eric Hanhold, is interesting to some of us. Rosario and McNeil atop the order is looking potentially special.