Zack Greinke on Pitching Inside

After we finished talking about his changeup and what he learned from Felix Hernandez, after we finished talking about command for the Hardball Times Annual, after we talked a little about his slider and his sinker, after we talked about a few hitters, even after I’d said goodbye and shook his hand, Zack Greinke hovered. He wasn’t done. He had noticed something about pitching inside and wondered if the numbers agreed.

It’s probably best to let you into his mind, and then try to unpack the parts.

“I noticed that when you throw away to people, they hit the ball hard,” the Dodgers’ pitcher said, “But they get out a lot more often, too. If you come in to them, they don’t hit the ball hard as often, but somehow they find a way to get hits more often. They’re getting hits more often inside even though their better swings are away and they’re hitting the ball hard more often away. I think they hit a lot of harder fly balls but most guys don’t have enough power to hit it over the opposite field defender’s head. A 300-foot hit is an out most of the time. Inside ground balls, there are so many more places you can hit that ball. Some guys can inside out it, some can hit it up the middle, some guys can roll over it and go down the third base line. You can hit it anywhere. But the outside pitch?”

There’s a lot there, so let’s take it line by line.

“I noticed what when you throw away to people, they hit the ball hard.”

Thanks to Daren Willman at Baseball Savant, we can check out an exit velocity heat map for the strike zone. Let’s focus on right-handers vs right-handers from here on out, just so we can easily see inside versus outside. Looks like Greinke is right:

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Exit Velocity Heat Map

Low and away and low and inside are different beasts, but it’s probably somewhat safe to assume that Greinke was talking about those quadrants in particular. Not when he’s talking about “inside-out” and “rolling over” on the ball. Low and inside is where you “golf” pitches and “yank them.”

Is it somewhat surprising that exit velocity on high and inside pitches is lower than the outside pitch? The second part is probably more surprising than this part: it’s hard to hit a ball hard when you are squeezing your hands in. As Joey Votto admitted, his approach on those balls “majorly zaps power.”

“They’re getting hits more often inside even though their better swings are away and they’re hitting the ball hard more often away.”

This part is demonstrably true. The inside pitch gets hit for base hits more often despite being hit more softly. This is true even if you compare inside off the plate to outside but over the plate, actually.

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One thing, though. Those aren’t all squibs. Let’s now look at the isolated power heat map.

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Power is better on inside pitches off the plate than outside pitches over the plate, too. So we aren’t seeing the Ducksnort Effect here.

So we’ve observed that batting average and slugging are better on inside pitches despite the exit velocity being worse. What must be happening is that the angles on the hits are different. Take a look at this great heat map from baseball physicist Alan Nathan — if the hits on the inside part of the plate are more varied by angle, you could have more disparate results despite a lower exit velocity.

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Maybe Greinke’s last note will help make a little more sense of this.

“I think they hit a lot of harder fly balls but most guys don’t have enough power to hit it over the opposite field defender’s head. A 300-foot hit is an out most of the time.”

This part makes so much sense, and it probably does a lot to describe the purple donut hole in the graph above. You can hit it hard, but if it’s on a trajectory that lands by a defender, that’s still going to be an out.

Let’s bucket balls crudely by batted ball distance to check out how 300-foot balls do. This doesn’t include angle or velocity, but it does get at Greinke’s statement.

BACON by Distance
Distance BACON
100-149 0.084
150-199 0.579
200-249 0.601
250-299 0.368
300-349 0.490
350-399 0.881
BACON = batting average after contact (includes homers)
Distance = batted ball distance in feet

Before and after 300 feet, batters have more success. Particularly from 250-299 feet, they have less success. It’s not an automatic out, but it’s an out more often than a ball hit 200-249 feet.

So. Do hitters hit balls on the outside of the plate 300 feet more often?

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If we are comparing middle inside on the plate to outside on the plate, probably not. Those averages are almost identical. But how about high and tight versus low and away? High and tight has the lowest average distance in the zone, and that means, by definition, more 200-250 foot squibs that fall in than do so on low and away pitches. Maybe that’s why the batting average high and tight is better than low and away.

Let’s recap how the evidence does and doesn’t support Greinke’s conjecture. Whether you define “inside” as on the plate or off the plate, medium-to-high inside pitches are hits more often once they are put into play. This is true despite being hit softer than outside pitches. It’s possible that this is because inside pitches are hit to different parts of the parks than outside pitches.

A lot of this lines up with what Joey Votto told us about his approach on inside pitches. Take a look at his 2015 heat map on inside pitches and it’s almost exactly what Greinke is talking about. A few pulled hits, and a few bloopers, and hot zones in spots where there normally aren’t any defenders.

Naturally, you begin to wonder if there’s any reason to pitch inside. You can see the Zack Greinke doesn’t go there often, and is going there less often this year. Compare his pitches to righties last year (left) and this year (center) to the league average (right).

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The traditional train of thought is that hitters will hang out over the plate if you don’t pitch them inside more often. One of the most iconic moments that can be used to illustrate this effect is when Salvador Perez took Hunter Strickland for a double on an outside pitch that he pulled to left center.

Greinke shrugged that play off, with a sense of awe. “He’s probably the only guy who can do that,” the pitcher said. “Most of the time they’ll hit a weak ground ball or fly ball to the opposite field, or a hard one right at a middle infielder.” And the pitcher that gave up that hit? Hunter Strickland told me something very similar. “Hats off to him. If I’m going to get beat late, I’m going to get beat to the big part of the ballpark.”

This isn’t to say that conventional wisdom is wrong. Perhaps you do need to surprise hitters with inside pitches. It can zap Joey Votto’s power, for instance. Bryce Harper admits that he doesn’t want it there, even if he doesn’t think you can do it three times. The inside pitch still has its place.

But maybe you don’t need to pitch inside so often. Even when they squib the ball on the inside part of the plate, hitters tend to find grass more often than glove.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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Phillies113
10 years ago

Is this a trend for just this year, or is this something that’s been happening for the past few years? I realize that the data analyzed here was just for this year, but I wonder if this is also true for previous years.

Great, informative article! Greinke is so intelligent; it’s scary.

That Guy
10 years ago

It’s Daren Willman not Williams. Nice article overall though.

AC_Butcha_AC
10 years ago

Nice analysis. I have one thing that I want to bring up though. The Fangraphs heatmaps have pitches as a denominator. Therefore there is a HUGE selection bias in both ISO/P and AVG/P.
For example if both ‘low and away’ and ‘right down the pipe’ have a .140 AVG/P but the pitch right down the middle is swung at 85% of the time vs. 50% on the low-and-away pitch we have a problem.
Here’s a link to the average swing% of MLB hitter RHH vs RHP for 2015.http://www.fangraphs.com/zonegridbase.aspx?playerid=&position=B&ss=2015&se=2015&type=2&hand=RR&count=all&blur=0&grid=10&view=bat
You would have to look at a AVG/swing heatmap. Unfortunately, Fangraphs only has the per pitch option. A per swing option would be freaking awesome! I should write the overlord 😀

smiley mcfaniel
10 years ago

Every time one of these pieces comes out you’re doing better at blending the reporting and analysis together, and the format feels really fresh. It’s a welcome relief from the sterility of most analytical blogging and the cliche schlock you get from a lot of beat guys.

Only GLove, No Love
10 years ago

Agreed. Eno really has found a real sweet spot recently. Always been good but recently excellent.

NC
10 years ago

I’ve often wondered this with respect to Trevor Bauer and his use of effective velocity. Sure it looks like his fastball is coming in hot when thrown up and in, but I believe it was his former battery mate Miguel Montero who said Bauer’s model wasn’t sustainable over a large sample size because hitters can make adjustments. I legitimately did one of those Looney Toons double takes when I found out he actually employs the effective velocity technique more against lefties than righties, especially in lefty friendly Cleveland. I wonder if what Greinke says here applies to Bauer’s situation.

jim fetterolf
10 years ago

Eno, you’ve come a long way since your love fest with Frenchy, Hoz, and Moose. Nice combination of reportage and analysis. You’re good. Have enjoyed watching you evolve.

Mookie Betts
10 years ago
Reply to  jim fetterolf

Me too.

FM Mood
10 years ago

Absolutely fantastic article, great stuff.

FM Mood
10 years ago
Reply to  FM Mood

As an aside, I can read these votto/grienke/moss interviews all day. Those three never cease to impress.

Only GLove, No Love
10 years ago
Reply to  FM Mood

Bauer as well!

I know Rizzo talked to Votto in the offseason and made some adjustments. He also appears to have a thoughtful approach to hitting. I would sure like to see some stuff from him.

rottenchops
10 years ago

nice article.

Orsulakfan
10 years ago

So does this mitigate the value of exit velocity and hard-hit data and other batted ball data?

Eephus
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

How does the fact the outfielders tend to play oppo a little shallower than the pull side factor into this analysis?

IndiansFan
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

This article really helped explain why there were Indians all over the batted ball velocity leaderboards this season, but their BABIPs were low and runs scored numbers were bad.

Kevin
10 years ago

great article. makes very intuitive sense. batters are almost universally more powerful to the pull side, so their mis-hits on balls inside tend to land in no man’s land as opposed to the outside corner where a mis-hit is unlikely to leave the infield. a hard hit ball to the pull side is probably a hit regardless of batted ball type, while a harder hit ball the other way is probably an out unless it is a liner or a rocket of a grounder.

seems to me that opposite field BIP are more likely to be in the air compared to ones pulled, which is probably another thing that biases BABIP towards pitches in.

Shook Claw
10 years ago

I’ve been thinking about it, and I gotta say that the part about exit velos being higher on the outside of the plate than the inside makes a lot of sense. It’s actually pretty intuitive. You aren’t ever going to hit an outside pitch off the hands or toward the narrow part of the bat. If you make contact it’ll be at the fat portion (or at the end of the barrel, which is bad but harder to do than hitting it on the narrower portions).

Only GLove, No Love
10 years ago

I am not sure it fits. But I remember Mazzoni with ATL back in the 90’s stressing that it is the outside pitch that should be established first and only then is it time to work inside… Of course, that group of pitchers was well…

Caudata
10 years ago

Mazzone stressed the low outside strike, which is a sweet spot for swstr, low exit velo, and low angle/ground balls.

Plus a batter is going to have a much harder time judging the difference between low/away strike and low/away ball than judging when a pitch inside is a ball. Being able to command the low/away strike will have cascade impact on low/outside effectiveness.

I don’t know if it’s macho that makes pitchers want to come inside all the time, bad coaching, or both.

BipMember since 2016
10 years ago

This is very interesting. I’ve noticed how Kershaw this year has basically led the league all year in lowest exit velocity allowed, but has actually had his worst BABIP year this year. However, Kershaw pitches almost entirely inside to righties. This article ties these three facts together.

drmorris
10 years ago

Eno, you win my year-end award for innovation in baseball journalism. Outstanding work.

Grant
10 years ago
Reply to  drmorris

I agree. This is cool stuff.

96mnc
10 years ago

Let’s see the results versus leftie hitters. I bet the results are even more skewed towards more authority on low inside pitches.

radicalhenri
10 years ago

another enjoyable article, my only qualm is that when you ask “Do hitters hit balls on the outside of the plate 300 feet more often?” you then look at average hit distance, instead of, what I think would be a more effective answer to this question, looking at percentage of balls hit 300 feet (or in that range) within the different parts of the zone.

Scott
10 years ago

It’s scary what intelligent pitchers have been able to get out of new data, whether its lead to changes in how they go about pitching to batter’s weakness or how they’ve changed their approach to suit their own strengths.

The mound did it
10 years ago

That heatmap is the best thing I’ve ever seen on this site, and that’s saying something.