2013 ZiPS Projections – Seattle Mariners
Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections, which have typically appeared in the pages of Baseball Think Factory, are being released at FanGraphs this year. Below are the projections for the Seattle Mariners. Szymborski can be found on Twitter at @DSzymborski.
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Batters
One, choosing to wax optimistic with regard to the projections below, would note that five of the top six players by projected WAR on the Mariners are either 25 years old or younger. Dustin Ackley, Mike Zunino, Kyle Seager, Jesus Montero, and (less immediately) Brad Miller: not only might they form a young, cost-controlled nucleus around which the front office can build, but their youth suggests that improvement is not only possible, but likely.
Another, choosing to be less optimistic — perhaps because he knows that, as a resident of Seattle, summer proper is still ca. six months away and that the city will remain ensconced in a 45-degree rain cloud until then — perhaps that other one would emphasize the lack of impact talent among the club’s field players and how recent acquisitions (like Jason Bay, Raul Ibanez, Kendrys Morales, and Michael Morse) address the team’s needs, but by too little.
Pitchers
If there’s a legitimately optimistic, and also equally legitimate pessimistic, perspective one might assume with regard to the club’s batting corps, that’s less the case with the starting rotation, about which one might say “Felix Hernandez and… pray for rain… for four days.” Neither Hisashi Iwakuma nor Erasmo Ramirez are projected to be disasters, but they also don’t appear to be what one might call “anchors of the rotation.”
The bullpen — in ZiPS’ estimation, at least — is constructed similarly to the rotation, with one decidedly competent piece (in this case, Tom Wilhelmsen) followed by a number of mediocre ones. True, that assessment might be unfair to left-hander Charlie Furbush, whose projection is also somewhat promising — but that information interferes with the author’s narrative and is being ignored for that purpose.
Bench/Prospects
More than most teams we’ve considered so far, it seems, the bulk of the Seattle Mariners’ talent is at the minor-league level. Neither Zunino nor Miller nor Nick Franklin is likely to begin the season on the major-league roster. Likewise for the pitching triumvirate of Danny Hultzen, James Paxton, and Taijuan Walker. But at least some portion of those six pieces will be of some help to the team in the near future. What the ZiPS projections also remind us is how Carlos Triunfel enters just his age-23 season.
Depth Chart
Here’s a rough depth chart for the Mariners, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player (click to embiggen):
Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Credit to MLB Depth Charts for roster information.
Batters, Counting Stats
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dustin Ackley | L | 25 | 2B | 690 | 97 | 152 | 27 | 6 | 13 | 56 | 11 | 3 |
| Mike Zunino | R | 22 | C | 598 | 86 | 135 | 22 | 0 | 16 | 66 | 3 | 2 |
| Kyle Seager | L | 25 | 3B | 663 | 80 | 160 | 34 | 2 | 14 | 75 | 12 | 7 |
| Jesus Montero | R | 23 | C | 597 | 60 | 145 | 23 | 1 | 18 | 70 | 0 | 1 |
| Brendan Ryan | R | 31 | SS | 473 | 52 | 95 | 18 | 3 | 3 | 34 | 11 | 4 |
| Brad Miller | L | 23 | SS | 666 | 87 | 146 | 27 | 4 | 9 | 54 | 16 | 7 |
| Franklin Gutierrez | R | 30 | CF | 409 | 48 | 91 | 17 | 2 | 8 | 38 | 11 | 2 |
| Michael Saunders | L | 26 | CF | 517 | 71 | 107 | 22 | 3 | 14 | 50 | 15 | 4 |
| Kendrys Morales | B | 30 | DH | 411 | 48 | 100 | 18 | 1 | 16 | 52 | 1 | 2 |
| Nick Franklin | B | 22 | SS | 540 | 63 | 114 | 21 | 5 | 8 | 39 | 11 | 4 |
| Carlos Triunfel | R | 23 | SS | 626 | 66 | 142 | 29 | 2 | 7 | 50 | 5 | 4 |
| Casper Wells | R | 28 | RF | 405 | 51 | 79 | 17 | 3 | 13 | 38 | 5 | 4 |
| Leon Landry | L | 23 | CF | 571 | 62 | 131 | 24 | 10 | 6 | 47 | 20 | 12 |
| Justin Smoak | B | 26 | 1B | 552 | 57 | 112 | 20 | 0 | 18 | 58 | 1 | 0 |
| Michael Morse | R | 31 | 1B | 481 | 53 | 112 | 19 | 1 | 17 | 57 | 1 | 1 |
| Stefen Romero | R | 24 | 2B | 560 | 64 | 129 | 23 | 3 | 14 | 61 | 9 | 8 |
| Eric Farris | R | 27 | 2B | 534 | 45 | 120 | 17 | 2 | 5 | 29 | 24 | 8 |
| Miguel Olivo | R | 34 | C | 387 | 42 | 81 | 14 | 1 | 14 | 41 | 5 | 5 |
| Vinnie Catricala | R | 24 | 3B | 607 | 65 | 131 | 29 | 2 | 11 | 59 | 8 | 3 |
| Alex Liddi | R | 24 | 3B | 581 | 73 | 118 | 25 | 3 | 15 | 62 | 7 | 5 |
| Robert Andino | R | 29 | 2B | 480 | 51 | 100 | 17 | 1 | 6 | 31 | 9 | 4 |
| Ronny Paulino | R | 32 | C | 273 | 21 | 62 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 19 | 0 | 0 |
| Munenori Kawasaki | L | 32 | SS | 444 | 52 | 102 | 11 | 3 | 1 | 33 | 14 | 8 |
| Jesus Sucre | R | 25 | C | 367 | 34 | 82 | 13 | 0 | 3 | 25 | 1 | 2 |
| Jason Bay | R | 34 | LF | 372 | 40 | 70 | 10 | 1 | 10 | 35 | 8 | 1 |
| Mike Carp | L | 27 | 1B | 506 | 58 | 109 | 21 | 1 | 16 | 60 | 3 | 3 |
| Raul Ibanez | L | 41 | LF | 435 | 45 | 95 | 19 | 2 | 14 | 50 | 2 | 0 |
| Eric Thames | L | 26 | LF | 564 | 59 | 119 | 23 | 5 | 13 | 50 | 4 | 3 |
| Julio Morban | L | 21 | CF | 429 | 49 | 88 | 14 | 3 | 9 | 36 | 6 | 4 |
| Francisco Martinez | R | 22 | 3B | 519 | 56 | 108 | 16 | 3 | 4 | 35 | 17 | 9 |
| Chone Figgins | B | 35 | LF | 367 | 38 | 74 | 11 | 2 | 2 | 20 | 15 | 7 |
| Carlos Peguero | L | 26 | RF | 484 | 59 | 92 | 15 | 3 | 16 | 52 | 4 | 4 |
| Mike Jacobs | L | 32 | 1B | 464 | 39 | 85 | 15 | 1 | 12 | 43 | 1 | 1 |
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Batters, Rates and Averages
| Player | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP | BA | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dustin Ackley | 690 | 9.9% | 17.5% | .126 | .287 | .247 | .322 | .373 | .305 |
| Mike Zunino | 598 | 7.7% | 22.2% | .131 | .302 | .251 | .318 | .382 | .301 |
| Kyle Seager | 663 | 6.9% | 17.0% | .132 | .302 | .264 | .319 | .396 | .311 |
| Jesus Montero | 597 | 6.2% | 19.1% | .144 | .299 | .263 | .310 | .407 | .305 |
| Brendan Ryan | 473 | 7.4% | 18.6% | .078 | .276 | .227 | .292 | .305 | .264 |
| Brad Miller | 666 | 7.8% | 21.2% | .103 | .298 | .241 | .300 | .344 | .284 |
| Franklin Gutierrez | 409 | 6.4% | 19.8% | .121 | .287 | .243 | .293 | .364 | .286 |
| Michael Saunders | 517 | 9.1% | 26.3% | .150 | .294 | .231 | .302 | .381 | .300 |
| Kendrys Morales | 411 | 6.6% | 20.7% | .181 | .301 | .265 | .319 | .446 | .325 |
| Nick Franklin | 540 | 6.7% | 24.6% | .112 | .301 | .232 | .286 | .344 | .274 |
| Carlos Triunfel | 626 | 3.5% | 17.9% | .093 | .289 | .243 | .284 | .336 | .270 |
| Casper Wells | 405 | 8.6% | 29.1% | .172 | .286 | .219 | .300 | .391 | .300 |
| Leon Landry | 571 | 3.9% | 16.5% | .116 | .285 | .245 | .280 | .361 | .274 |
| Justin Smoak | 552 | 10.9% | 22.6% | .153 | .271 | .230 | .315 | .383 | .305 |
| Michael Morse | 481 | 5.8% | 25.2% | .162 | .308 | .253 | .306 | .415 | .311 |
| Stefen Romero | 560 | 3.8% | 18.4% | .135 | .278 | .245 | .282 | .380 | .283 |
| Eric Farris | 534 | 3.9% | 13.7% | .073 | .273 | .242 | .278 | .315 | .261 |
| Miguel Olivo | 387 | 3.6% | 30.2% | .158 | .279 | .220 | .249 | .378 | .265 |
| Vinnie Catricala | 607 | 6.3% | 21.4% | .119 | .287 | .236 | .294 | .355 | .286 |
| Alex Liddi | 581 | 7.1% | 31.0% | .143 | .303 | .223 | .281 | .366 | .281 |
| Robert Andino | 480 | 7.3% | 21.3% | .085 | .286 | .230 | .289 | .315 | .267 |
| Ronny Paulino | 273 | 5.5% | 17.2% | .078 | .287 | .242 | .282 | .320 | .261 |
| Munenori Kawasaki | 444 | 4.3% | 14.9% | .048 | .292 | .248 | .285 | .296 | .252 |
| Jesus Sucre | 367 | 3.0% | 15.3% | .063 | .271 | .234 | .261 | .297 | .241 |
| Jason Bay | 372 | 11.0% | 26.9% | .130 | .274 | .215 | .304 | .345 | .289 |
| Mike Carp | 506 | 7.7% | 23.7% | .155 | .286 | .239 | .304 | .394 | .304 |
| Raul Ibanez | 435 | 6.7% | 18.2% | .162 | .261 | .238 | .292 | .400 | .296 |
| Eric Thames | 564 | 6.9% | 26.6% | .141 | .300 | .233 | .295 | .374 | .290 |
| Julio Morban | 429 | 4.7% | 30.5% | .118 | .300 | .220 | .259 | .338 | .256 |
| Francisco Martinez | 519 | 5.4% | 25.6% | .070 | .299 | .224 | .268 | .294 | .247 |
| Chone Figgins | 367 | 9.5% | 18.0% | .065 | .281 | .231 | .306 | .296 | .268 |
| Carlos Peguero | 484 | 6.4% | 40.5% | .156 | .325 | .207 | .269 | .363 | .273 |
| Mike Jacobs | 464 | 8.4% | 30.0% | .126 | .266 | .202 | .267 | .328 | .259 |
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Batters, Assorted Other
| Player | PA | RC/27 | OPS+ | Def | WAR | No.1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dustin Ackley | 690 | 4.4 | 98 | 6 | 3.4 | Dick McAuliffe |
| Mike Zunino | 598 | 4.4 | 99 | 2 | 3.3 | Todd Zeile |
| Kyle Seager | 663 | 4.6 | 103 | -1 | 2.7 | Buddy Bell |
| Jesus Montero | 597 | 4.6 | 103 | -8 | 2.5 | Joe Torre |
| Brendan Ryan | 473 | 3.2 | 71 | 11 | 2.0 | Brian Harris |
| Brad Miller | 666 | 3.7 | 84 | -4 | 1.7 | Ron Wotus |
| Franklin Gutierrez | 409 | 4.0 | 86 | 6 | 1.7 | Darnell McDonald |
| Michael Saunders | 517 | 4.2 | 94 | -4 | 1.4 | Scott Lydy |
| Kendrys Morales | 411 | 5.1 | 115 | 0 | 1.3 | Xavier Nady |
| Nick Franklin | 540 | 3.5 | 79 | -3 | 1.2 | Alex Gonzalez |
| Carlos Triunfel | 626 | 3.3 | 76 | -2 | 1.2 | Aurelio Rodriguez |
| Casper Wells | 405 | 4.0 | 95 | 5 | 1.1 | Jason Cooper |
| Leon Landry | 571 | 3.5 | 81 | 3 | 1.1 | Tyler Colvin |
| Justin Smoak | 552 | 4.3 | 98 | 0 | 1.0 | Jim Bonnici |
| Michael Morse | 481 | 4.6 | 103 | -2 | 0.9 | Xavier Nady |
| Stefen Romero | 560 | 3.7 | 87 | -4 | 0.9 | German Duran |
| Eric Farris | 534 | 3.3 | 69 | 1 | 0.8 | Mark Sheehy |
| Miguel Olivo | 387 | 3.1 | 76 | -1 | 0.7 | Jim Hegan |
| Vinnie Catricala | 607 | 3.7 | 84 | -8 | 0.7 | Mark Lewis |
| Alex Liddi | 581 | 3.5 | 83 | -5 | 0.7 | Delwyn Young |
| Robert Andino | 480 | 3.2 | 73 | -1 | 0.5 | Edwin Maysonet |
| Ronny Paulino | 273 | 3.2 | 72 | -2 | 0.5 | Chris Heintz |
| Munenori Kawasaki | 444 | 3.0 | 67 | -1 | 0.4 | Rey Sanchez |
| Jesus Sucre | 367 | 2.6 | 59 | 0 | 0.3 | Moses Zucker |
| Jason Bay | 372 | 3.8 | 85 | -2 | 0.3 | Jon Nunnally |
| Mike Carp | 506 | 4.2 | 98 | -5 | 0.3 | Danny Lewis |
| Raul Ibanez | 435 | 4.2 | 95 | -8 | 0.1 | Jim Bottomley |
| Eric Thames | 564 | 3.8 | 89 | -6 | 0.0 | LaVel Freeman |
| Julio Morban | 429 | 3.0 | 69 | -2 | -0.1 | Kevin Wiggins |
| Francisco Martinez | 519 | 2.7 | 61 | -1 | -0.2 | Danny Ainge |
| Chone Figgins | 367 | 3.2 | 73 | 0 | -0.2 | Mark McLemore |
| Carlos Peguero | 484 | 3.2 | 78 | -2 | -0.3 | Ralph Bryant |
| Mike Jacobs | 464 | 2.9 | 69 | -2 | -0.8 | Jody Davis |
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Pitchers, Counting Stats
| Player | T | Age | G | GS | IP | SO | BB | HR | H | R | ER |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Felix Hernandez | R | 27 | 32 | 32 | 228.3 | 216 | 58 | 16 | 201 | 82 | 77 |
| Hisashi Iwakuma | R | 32 | 24 | 18 | 128.3 | 101 | 33 | 16 | 127 | 59 | 55 |
| Erasmo Ramirez | R | 23 | 29 | 24 | 144.3 | 92 | 38 | 15 | 148 | 72 | 67 |
| Tom Wilhelmsen | R | 29 | 71 | 0 | 75.0 | 83 | 29 | 6 | 60 | 27 | 25 |
| Charlie Furbush | L | 27 | 56 | 0 | 55.0 | 61 | 21 | 5 | 43 | 20 | 19 |
| Danny Hultzen | L | 23 | 26 | 26 | 116.0 | 110 | 83 | 9 | 105 | 61 | 57 |
| Kevin Millwood | R | 38 | 22 | 22 | 125.7 | 80 | 44 | 15 | 133 | 68 | 64 |
| James Paxton | L | 24 | 22 | 22 | 101.7 | 102 | 65 | 11 | 98 | 56 | 52 |
| Shawn Kelley | R | 29 | 42 | 0 | 44.3 | 43 | 17 | 5 | 40 | 19 | 18 |
| Blake Beavan | R | 24 | 31 | 31 | 184.3 | 83 | 37 | 24 | 206 | 103 | 96 |
| Josh Kinney | R | 34 | 56 | 0 | 61.3 | 50 | 25 | 5 | 57 | 28 | 26 |
| Jeremy Bonderman | R | 30 | 27 | 26 | 159.0 | 110 | 58 | 21 | 161 | 89 | 83 |
| Brandon Maurer | R | 22 | 22 | 21 | 106.0 | 68 | 53 | 8 | 108 | 60 | 56 |
| George Sherrill | L | 36 | 28 | 0 | 19.0 | 19 | 8 | 2 | 18 | 10 | 9 |
| Danny Farquhar | R | 26 | 52 | 0 | 67.7 | 54 | 34 | 6 | 63 | 33 | 31 |
| Lucas Luetge | L | 26 | 54 | 0 | 58.3 | 46 | 27 | 5 | 58 | 30 | 28 |
| Taijuan Walker | R | 20 | 20 | 20 | 116.0 | 91 | 63 | 13 | 119 | 67 | 63 |
| Bobby LaFromboise | L | 27 | 48 | 0 | 60.0 | 42 | 29 | 5 | 59 | 31 | 29 |
| David Pauley | R | 30 | 45 | 3 | 71.3 | 40 | 27 | 8 | 78 | 40 | 37 |
| Stephen Pryor | R | 23 | 51 | 0 | 54.7 | 56 | 39 | 7 | 47 | 30 | 28 |
| Carter Capps | R | 22 | 58 | 0 | 74.7 | 78 | 29 | 11 | 72 | 40 | 37 |
| Anthony Fernandez | L | 23 | 26 | 26 | 145.7 | 85 | 57 | 19 | 158 | 87 | 81 |
| Oliver Perez | L | 31 | 53 | 0 | 55.7 | 48 | 35 | 6 | 53 | 31 | 29 |
| Brian Moran | L | 24 | 48 | 0 | 63.3 | 53 | 26 | 9 | 63 | 35 | 33 |
| Hector Noesi | R | 26 | 31 | 21 | 133.3 | 89 | 51 | 19 | 142 | 80 | 75 |
| Logan Bawcom | R | 24 | 53 | 0 | 59.0 | 54 | 43 | 7 | 56 | 34 | 32 |
| Brian Sweeney | R | 39 | 23 | 7 | 66.3 | 35 | 25 | 11 | 75 | 44 | 41 |
| Andrew Carraway | R | 26 | 26 | 24 | 131.3 | 68 | 43 | 19 | 151 | 83 | 78 |
| Chance Ruffin | R | 24 | 54 | 0 | 68.0 | 50 | 42 | 8 | 69 | 42 | 39 |
| D.J. Mitchell | R | 26 | 26 | 22 | 131.0 | 72 | 73 | 16 | 145 | 85 | 79 |
| Yoervis Medina | R | 24 | 37 | 10 | 87.0 | 55 | 53 | 14 | 97 | 61 | 57 |
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Pitchers, Rates and Averages
| Player | IP | TBF | K% | BB% | BABIP | ERA | FIP | ERA- | FIP- |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Felix Hernandez | 228.3 | 944 | 22.9% | 6.1% | .287 | 3.04 | 2.99 | 79 | 78 |
| Hisashi Iwakuma | 128.3 | 545 | 18.5% | 6.1% | .285 | 3.86 | 4.03 | 100 | 105 |
| Erasmo Ramirez | 144.3 | 619 | 14.9% | 6.1% | .285 | 4.18 | 4.11 | 109 | 107 |
| Tom Wilhelmsen | 75.0 | 314 | 26.4% | 9.2% | .278 | 3.00 | 3.04 | 78 | 79 |
| Charlie Furbush | 55.0 | 229 | 26.6% | 9.2% | .273 | 3.11 | 3.15 | 81 | 82 |
| Danny Hultzen | 116.0 | 536 | 20.5% | 15.5% | .294 | 4.42 | 4.56 | 115 | 119 |
| Kevin Millwood | 125.7 | 554 | 14.4% | 7.9% | .286 | 4.58 | 4.45 | 119 | 116 |
| James Paxton | 101.7 | 468 | 21.8% | 13.9% | .307 | 4.60 | 4.62 | 120 | 120 |
| Shawn Kelley | 44.3 | 190 | 22.6% | 9.0% | .282 | 3.65 | 3.57 | 95 | 93 |
| Blake Beavan | 184.3 | 796 | 10.4% | 4.6% | .284 | 4.69 | 4.65 | 122 | 121 |
| Josh Kinney | 61.3 | 266 | 18.8% | 9.4% | .286 | 3.82 | 3.85 | 99 | 100 |
| Jeremy Bonderman | 159.0 | 696 | 15.8% | 8.3% | .281 | 4.70 | 4.67 | 122 | 122 |
| Brandon Maurer | 106.0 | 479 | 14.2% | 11.1% | .292 | 4.75 | 4.52 | 124 | 118 |
| George Sherrill | 19.0 | 83 | 22.9% | 9.6% | .296 | 4.26 | 3.57 | 111 | 93 |
| Danny Farquhar | 67.7 | 300 | 18.0% | 11.3% | .282 | 4.12 | 4.29 | 107 | 112 |
| Lucas Luetge | 58.3 | 260 | 17.7% | 10.4% | .296 | 4.32 | 3.97 | 112 | 103 |
| Taijuan Walker | 116.0 | 530 | 17.2% | 11.9% | .299 | 4.89 | 4.85 | 127 | 126 |
| Bobby LaFromboise | 60.0 | 268 | 15.7% | 10.8% | .287 | 4.35 | 4.33 | 113 | 113 |
| David Pauley | 71.3 | 319 | 12.5% | 8.5% | .294 | 4.67 | 4.74 | 121 | 123 |
| Stephen Pryor | 54.7 | 250 | 22.4% | 15.6% | .274 | 4.61 | 4.90 | 120 | 128 |
| Carter Capps | 74.7 | 325 | 24.0% | 8.9% | .299 | 4.46 | 4.21 | 116 | 109 |
| Anthony Fernandez | 145.7 | 652 | 13.0% | 8.7% | .289 | 5.00 | 5.00 | 130 | 130 |
| Oliver Perez | 55.7 | 255 | 18.8% | 13.7% | .286 | 4.69 | 4.66 | 122 | 121 |
| Brian Moran | 63.3 | 279 | 19.0% | 9.3% | .289 | 4.69 | 4.60 | 122 | 120 |
| Hector Noesi | 133.3 | 593 | 15.0% | 8.6% | .287 | 5.06 | 4.85 | 132 | 126 |
| Logan Bawcom | 59.0 | 276 | 19.6% | 15.6% | .292 | 4.88 | 5.20 | 127 | 135 |
| Brian Sweeney | 66.3 | 299 | 11.7% | 8.4% | .286 | 5.56 | 5.51 | 145 | 143 |
| Andrew Carraway | 131.3 | 588 | 11.6% | 7.3% | .294 | 5.35 | 5.11 | 139 | 133 |
| Chance Ruffin | 68.0 | 315 | 15.9% | 13.3% | .289 | 5.16 | 5.18 | 134 | 135 |
| D.J. Mitchell | 131.0 | 611 | 11.8% | 11.9% | .292 | 5.43 | 5.42 | 141 | 141 |
| Yoervis Medina | 87.0 | 411 | 13.4% | 12.9% | .293 | 5.90 | 5.89 | 153 | 153 |
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Pitchers, Assorted Other
| Player | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | ERA+ | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Felix Hernandez | 228.3 | 8.52 | 2.29 | 0.63 | 121 | 4.8 | Greg Maddux |
| Hisashi Iwakuma | 128.3 | 7.08 | 2.31 | 1.12 | 95 | 1.3 | Doyle Alexander |
| Erasmo Ramirez | 144.3 | 5.74 | 2.37 | 0.94 | 88 | 1.0 | Tim Dillard |
| Tom Wilhelmsen | 75.0 | 9.96 | 3.48 | 0.72 | 122 | 0.9 | Joaquin Benoit |
| Charlie Furbush | 55.0 | 9.98 | 3.44 | 0.82 | 118 | 0.6 | Mike Gonzalez |
| Danny Hultzen | 116.0 | 8.53 | 6.44 | 0.70 | 83 | 0.5 | Neal Cotts |
| Kevin Millwood | 125.7 | 5.73 | 3.15 | 1.07 | 80 | 0.3 | Rick Sutcliffe |
| James Paxton | 101.7 | 9.03 | 5.75 | 0.97 | 80 | 0.2 | Randy Johnson |
| Shawn Kelley | 44.3 | 8.74 | 3.45 | 1.02 | 100 | 0.2 | Steve Andrade |
| Blake Beavan | 184.3 | 4.05 | 1.81 | 1.17 | 78 | 0.2 | Josh Towers |
| Josh Kinney | 61.3 | 7.34 | 3.67 | 0.73 | 96 | 0.1 | Heathcliff Slocumb |
| Jeremy Bonderman | 159.0 | 6.23 | 3.28 | 1.19 | 78 | 0.1 | Al Nipper |
| Brandon Maurer | 106.0 | 5.77 | 4.50 | 0.68 | 77 | 0.0 | Rick Berg |
| George Sherrill | 19.0 | 9.00 | 3.79 | 0.95 | 86 | -0.1 | Paul Gibson |
| Danny Farquhar | 67.7 | 7.18 | 4.52 | 0.80 | 89 | -0.1 | Beiker Graterol |
| Lucas Luetge | 58.3 | 7.10 | 4.17 | 0.77 | 85 | -0.2 | Jake Benz |
| Taijuan Walker | 116.0 | 7.06 | 4.89 | 1.01 | 75 | -0.2 | Andy Ashby |
| Bobby LaFromboise | 60.0 | 6.30 | 4.35 | 0.75 | 84 | -0.3 | Pete Cappadona |
| David Pauley | 71.3 | 5.05 | 3.41 | 1.01 | 78 | -0.4 | Bryan Corey |
| Stephen Pryor | 54.7 | 9.21 | 6.42 | 1.15 | 79 | -0.4 | Lariel Gonzalez |
| Carter Capps | 74.7 | 9.40 | 3.49 | 1.33 | 82 | -0.4 | Tom Waddell |
| Anthony Fernandez | 145.7 | 5.25 | 3.52 | 1.17 | 73 | -0.4 | Larry Casian |
| Oliver Perez | 55.7 | 7.76 | 5.66 | 0.97 | 78 | -0.5 | Kevin Tolar |
| Brian Moran | 63.3 | 7.54 | 3.70 | 1.28 | 78 | -0.5 | Randy Harvey |
| Hector Noesi | 133.3 | 6.01 | 3.44 | 1.28 | 72 | -0.6 | Rick Heiserman |
| Logan Bawcom | 59.0 | 8.24 | 6.56 | 1.07 | 75 | -0.6 | Joe Valentine |
| Brian Sweeney | 66.3 | 4.75 | 3.39 | 1.49 | 66 | -0.8 | Michael Riley |
| Andrew Carraway | 131.3 | 4.66 | 2.95 | 1.30 | 68 | -1.0 | Andy Ghelfi |
| Chance Ruffin | 68.0 | 6.62 | 5.56 | 1.06 | 71 | -1.0 | Mark Wooden |
| D.J. Mitchell | 131.0 | 4.95 | 5.02 | 1.10 | 67 | -1.1 | Carlos Paredes |
| Yoervis Medina | 87.0 | 5.69 | 5.48 | 1.45 | 62 | -1.5 | Andy Cavazos |
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Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2012. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.
Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.
ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.09 ERA and the NL having a 3.92 ERA.
Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.
Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected WAR.
Carson Cistulli has published a book of aphorisms called Spirited Ejaculations of a New Enthusiast.

Well….At least they gotta buch of games versus the Astros this year.
Ackley>Strasburg
Got to say I’m not very impressed by these forecasts or your comment regarding the M’s bullpen. They don’t seem to reflect reality in my opinion, by a bunch.
Yeah, bullpen arms with little MLB experience have to be difficult to project. ZiPS doesn’t know that Pryor throws 98-100, and I think it would rethink things if it did.
ZiPS thinks Pryor throws 96.
Problem is, ZiPS also knows that Pryor has a terrible walk rate in his limited time at the top of the minors (AAA) and in the majors. Essentially, his translated + MLB walk rate was 6.3 BB/9 last year. It’s not like he was amazing overall in the majors (5.27 FIP), either. A projection has to reflect the sizable risk of a pitcher with part of a season at high levels and control issues.
In fact, this is a familiar argument I’ve had. I had the same one with Dan Runzler partisans a couple of years ago. More of these guys turn out to be more like Ryan Bukvich than Jose Valverde.
What’s wrong with me dan!
Other than I apparently can’t spell my own name…
I didn’t know that ZiPS had velocity data in it. Good to know.
Phil, it was in test builds from 2010 and implemented in 2012.
ZiPS has Pryor at 96 from the FG data and estimated that his minor league data implied a 95.5 (I’ve spent a lot of time modeling minor league estimates from PBP data and regular stats)
Maqman, you’re picking nits with two separate people: the projections are by Dan Szymborski and the “comment regarding the bullpen” that you refer to is by Carson Cistulli, who posts the ZiPS prepared by Dan and adds the introductory comments. Also, Carson even makes a joke about his own bullpen comments when he says the data presented “interferes” with his own narrative about the bullpen being mediocre.
We already knew that Felix is another Maddux, but what a surprise that Paxton is another Randy Johnson.
A little optimistic about J-Pax?
Randy Johnson wasn’t much at Paxton’s age.
And I would recommend trading Iwakuma for another John Smoltz.
Justin Smoak? Worth 1.0 WAR?
What am I reading, the Bill James projections?
Pretty discouraging to see that the Mariners’ two big offensive acquisitions this winter both have Xavier Nady as their #1 comp .
Highest projected wOBA for any one hitter is .325. Second highest is .305. Ouch.
.311 is higher than .305. Trust me I googled it.
Michael Saunders hitting .231 with 22 doubles, 3 triples and 14 homers? Saunders had 31, 3, 19 last year and he’s getting better, not worse.
Um, if you don’t know anything about a team, don’t make projections.
If you don’t read the disclaimer, and understand how projections work, don’t bash the projector.
I too was surprised to see improvements among almost all of the younger players, yet Saunders has a predicted regression. A pretty significant regression too.
They projected his Walk rate improving, but his K rate getting worse, which seems to defy traditional logic. But yeah, personally I’d be surprised if he didn’t improve upon 2012.
I agree, I think Saunders projection is probably one that will be incorrect. However, telling Dan his projection is wrong because he doesn’t know anything about the team is just completely ignorant.
The traditional logic says that there is a strong positive correlation between walk rate and strike out rate. Most players will strike out more when they walk more. The reason is simple: both outcomes are require getting deep into counts.
Saunders translation + MLB:
2009 – 259/310/399
2010 – 205/289/327
2011 – 200/287/288
2012 – 247/306/432
If your projection system doesn’t give any of that 2012 back, even at age 26 (and he’s 26, not 20 or 22), you’re going to be wrong more often than not. Gigantic step forwards generally take steps back in the short-term – ZiPS wouldn’t have his projection anywhere *near* what it was if it didn’t take 2012 very, very seriously.
(Probably nicer than the post deserves, to be honest)
Ah, thanks for the explanation. I wondered if maybe the age had been a factor. But that is interesting to know that big step forwards are followed by small steps back, generally. I would’ve assumed a trend upward could be predicted until around 27, at which point players tend to plateau until 32 or so.
2012 really does look like more of an outlier than I had thought, when set against the previous seasons like that.
Mike, the general *trend* is improvement, but it tends to be improvement a combination of recent years, not just the most recent years (otherwise, you’ll end up drastically overprojecting every player that has a very large improvement).
ZiPS actually has it’s highest probability of Saunders current level of ability as a 228/297/365 hitter, improving to 231/302/381.
ZiPS actually has a probability range for the recent weighted years to start with. So, while ZiPS believes he’s a 228/297/365 as of the end of the season in a predicted 2013 Safeco context, it also believes there’s a 10% chance that it’s wrong and he’s actually at least 262/333/452 hitter right now and a 10% chance that he’s actually a 207/268/339 hitter right now.
hey doc,
Just a suggestion: when you see an experienced modeler project numbers so out of sync with what you think, consider asking WHY the numbers seem so low, instead of telling him he’s foolish.
It actually only makes YOU look like the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Doc more than “looks” like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Sorry, meant to give you a plus, accidentally clicked on minus. Will 2 more people give him a plus to make up for it.
lots of trolls on FG of late
I assume that since you didn’t mention moving the fences in at Safeco, that was not factored into your numbers?
Yeah – same with the Padres and “old” PETCO. I think ZiPS projections are calculated using regressed park factors for what’s existed up until now (which we’re at least familiar with), as opposed to Dan arbitrarily deciding how a stadium’s new dimensions will play out.
Thanks for this Dan, it’s interesting to see. It’s also super depressing but thanks
Both Lohse and Bourn make sense for this team
Surely any remaining budget should be prioritised on a 1B/DH type?
Why? DH looks fine. They have holes at 2 OF positions, 4 SP postions and 1B.
Irony alert, Ivan….
You have to respect these ZiPS projections, and I’m fully prepared to suffer through another mediocre season; however, I’m growing a little weary of the masochism I’m seeing from a lot of Mariners fans. There’s no award for whichever fan base said the most pithy things about their terrible team on the internet.
Oh? Since the M’s have come in *last place* in the AL West 7 of the past 9 years, and have done nothing this offseason to avoid that trend, what other award should I look forward to? That we project more team WAR than the Astros?
Some of us are getting a bit frustrated at the thought of suffering through yet ANOTHER mediocre season. I’m glad you’re fully prepared though.
There’s enough variance in the (upwards) regression of our younger players to think that maybe A) the front office is intentionally staking their job security to those players’ development and B) we might see improvement next year. Certainly before Spring Training begins, there’s room for a little bit of practical optimism. Losing sucks, but I’ve always felt that the success of our top prospects (Zunino et al) would determine the fate of the front office, and in that regards, I think this will be a very interesting season.
You don’t hear Astros fans talking like that. Of course, we do have a seemingly competent GM (who even has a plan!).
Jack Z was supposed to be the architect of the Brewers system that was producing young stars – Braun, Fielder, Hart, Weeks, Gallardo, etc. I believe in Luhnow but just wanted to make a point that although their decisions don’t work out, they are still some of the smartest baseball minds on the planet.
Jack Z is far from one of the smartest people in baseball…spoken as a non-Mariners fan no less.
If the comps are in any way reflective of reality, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Dick McAuliffe, Buddy Bell, Joe Torre and Todd Zeile would be the core of a good ball club. What are the odds that Jesus Montero manages the Yankees in 2045 anyways?
Another one takes the comps too seriously. The comps compare the two players at this point in their careers; they don’t actually predict that the two will have identical careers from this point on.
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Personally, I think the M’s have the 6th best outlook of any franchise in MLB–factoring the players on the current team, the farm system, the finances, and the front office. Just one man’s opinion.
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Hey Dan,
Interesting for-fun experiment if you’re game. It’d be interesting to see what would happen if you took a lineup like the Nats, Braves, Tigers, Jays or any other top-projected team and gave us a side-by-side ZIPS comparison of their standard ZIPS projection vs. if the team were to play their home games in Safeco field. I’d love to see just how much ZIPS expects Safeco to repress their numbers compared to their actual home field.
Thanks!
Anyone remember the days of Griffey, A-Rod, Edgar, Boone, Buhner, Randy…? Sigh.
I don’t remember, but here’s what BaseballReference tells me:
Five of those guys (all but Boone) were on the team from ’94 to ’97, and the Mariners record was still 303-277, which would average out to 85 wins over a full 162-game season.
So I guess what I’m saying is, even the glory days weren’t all that glorious.
These Chone Figgins projections are out of line! I’m pissed. I bet you he swats 20 dingers this year and takes about 20 bags too. He will be the “Pike Piper” of Safeco and you will fall in love with his boyish good looks! You shall rue this day
So, ZIPs shares Sickels’ love for Brad Miller. That’s something.
I like ZiPS’ sense of humor. The exhumed body of Heathcliff Slocumb? Hilarious!
BB-ref says that as of the end of last season, exactly 666 men have suited up all time as a Seattle Mariner
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Remember the days of Valle, Reynolds, Davis, Cotto, Phelps…And the 1986 team poster featuring the starting pitchers jumping around on top of the Kingdome
Why is ZiPS so down on Carter Capps? He’s never allowed home runs at anything approaching a league average rate, so why suddenly project him for way over league average? Not like his FB% is unusually high, or like he’s playing in a small park… what is there to indicate that he’ll suddenly go from +0.5 WAR in 25 IP to -0.4 in 75?
Erasmo got better after initial draft version in ESPN. Is this an inverse effect of winter league stats ?
There are always a couple players fixed – corrected some minor league data errors in the time since then (since I had more time to validate everything)
The Jaso/Morse trade makes me want to punch kittens.
Well, not really, I really love kittens, even more than I love John Jaso. Puppies, though, I might punch a puppy over it. Or maybe scowl at one and make it think I don’t like it very much.
Where is Jaso’s projection or did I miss that footnote somewhere ? He is also not on A’s list.
“ZiPS has Jaso hitting .259/.361/.398 with a 110 OPS+ in Oakland; given the A’s ability to understand and leverage situations such as platoons, don’t be surprised if Jaso, spared from facing many lefties, beats that mark.”
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Mariners seem like a decent bet to outperform a fair number of these projections. Particularly Hisashi Iwakuma who is apparently projected to spend half the season in the bullpen again. Since Iwakuma is able to prepare for a full season, I imagine he’s going to be closer to Hiroki Kuroda than anything. Now if only he fix that Matsuzaka-like pacing of his…
I frequently will hide an easter egg within the player comps. I’m disappointed that nobody has yet found Carmona’s in the Rays or the player here.
Chone Figgins wishes he was Mark McLemore.
Jesus Sucre/Moses Zucker isn’t bad, but the Carmona/Walter Plinge one is awesome.
Anyone have insight as to why Morse is projected to hit .253? He’s a career .295 hitter with the majority of his high-AVG ABs accumulated over the past three seasons.
I was also surprised by the projection for Morse.
He has sported a solid .220 ISO over the last 3 seasons (~1300 PAs). Park effects drastic enough to drop it 60 points? I sure hope we can all have a chuckle at this in October. Please?
What? Me? Easter Egg? Is that a sick joke because I’m most like Jesus Sucre?
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Thank you very much for projecting Zunino.
The projections estimate Chone Figgins closest comp at Mark McLemore!! ZiPS must be racist! Also, Chone Figgins??
It’s probably not a good sign for Francisco Martinez that his #1 comp plays a different sport.
It strikes me as ironic that top 60 prospect Franklin doesn’t yet project to be any more valuable than washed out prospect Triunfel. Though I’d be pleasantly surprised if Triunfel earned a full WAR in the majors this year.
I had some fun looking at this. One question – I didn’t understand why there is a seeming mismatch between ERA- and ERA+ for a couple players. For instance, Shawn Kelley has an ERA- of 95 but an ERA+ of 100?
The Carter Capps projection is interesting. Awesome K and BB, but is killed by dingers. Not sure why that is. He only gave up 2 HR all last year in 75 IP and doesn’t look like he has a high FB%.