2015 AL Wild Card Live Blog

by Dave Cameron

October 6, 2015

7:50	Dave Cameron: Welcome to the postseason.

7:50	Dave Cameron: We’ll kick this thing off right before game time.

7:52	Dave Cameron: Astros

7:53	Dave Cameron: Astros

7:53	Dave Cameron: 1

8:01	Dave Cameron: He lost a bet

8:02	Dave Cameron: Alright, let’s get this party started.

8:02	Dave Cameron: Postseason baseball! Woo!

8:03	Comment From Hank Kind of funny how “0” is not even an option in the first poll question.

8:03	Dave Cameron: The Astros went with 16 position players/9 pitchers, and one of those pitchers is Fiers, who they’re going to hold for extra innings. So it’s very unlikely they’re planning a bullpen game.

8:04	Comment From The Hamburglar What would be the “most analytical” WS? In terms of front offices, coaches, overall organization philosophy?

8:04	Dave Cameron: Astros/Dodgers, by a good margin.

8:05	Comment From Catoblepas Are you guys excited? I might not be a fan of the WC format were I a fan of these teams, but damn if a single-game playoff isn’t thrilling

8:05	Dave Cameron: Yeah, these games are awesome. I love this format.

8:05	Sean Dolinar: I really like the format. I like the emphasis on divisions and rivalries there. The games are a lot of fun to watch. I love them.

8:06	Dave Cameron: And sure, it’s unfair to base a whole team’s season on one game, but it’s more fair than not letting the second wild card get that one game at all.

8:06	Dave Cameron: Also, hi Sean.

8:06	Comment From Lyle I love win or go home games, adds good drama.

8:06	Comment From Zack NYY fan oh man do I suddenly hate this format when my team is in it

8:06	Sean Dolinar: The KC-OAK game last year and the PIT-CIN game in 2013 were something else.

8:06	Comment From Tucker who wins?

8:06	Dave Cameron: I’m guessing Keuchel stays in too long, a RH takes him yard, and the Yankees win 4-3.

8:07	Comment From The Hamburglar We, the viewers, win, Tucker.

8:07	Comment From Designated Bitter Why is Keuchel still in there? He’s already thrown so many warm up pitches and it’s well known that pitcher numbers fall off once they start facing hitters

8:08	Comment From Blast Hardcheese I like the format, I just wish the teams were re-seeded by record after this WC round. The Cards and winner of the Cubs/Pirates game should get to feast on the weaker Dodgers and Mets rather than having to play each other.

8:08	Dave Cameron: I wouldn’t say the Dodgers or Mets are weak at all.

8:08	Comment From Marty AJ Hinch looks like the Astros’ DH

8:10	Comment From NathanLazarus Television sports punditry is fun because you get to watch people express certainty about stochastic outcomes. Now time for an expected value of roughly half of the pundits to be proven wrong.

8:10	Sean Dolinar: I think you get bonus points for using ‘stochastic’ tonight.

8:10	Dave Cameron: Also, as a quick note to those new to live blogs; this is less Q&A and more just stream-of-consciousness/game reaction. So don’t get too mad if we aren’t answering your questions.

8:10	Dave Cameron: Let’s play baseball.

8:11	Comment From zkello I was just about to ask how long it would take for them to mention his height… literally the first thing they said

8:11	Comment From The Hamburglar Will Girardi have a quick hook on Tanaka?

8:11	Dave Cameron: I bet we see a decent amount of Adam Warren tonight.

8:13	Comment From kevinthecomic altuve chased a couple that AB

8:13	Dave Cameron: He’s not a very patient hitter.

8:14	Dave Cameron: That was a pretty good cutter though.

8:15	Comment From Seanywack Total strikeouts this game: over/under 15?

8:15	Dave Cameron: Way over.

8:15	Dave Cameron: I’ll guess 23.

8:16	Dave Cameron: If Astros keep chasing that cutter off the plate, he’s going to have a good night.

8:16	Comment From ralph What are the thoughts on keeping the K-zone graphic on during real time pitches?

8:16	Sean Dolinar: It’s grown on me a lot.

8:17	Dave Cameron: Between innings adjustments; stop chasing outside cutter.

8:17	Comment From Terrible Ted Why does Sportsnet insist on a ticker. Does ESPN continually run one? Currently annoyance level 3/10.

8:17	Sean Dolinar: ESPN always has a ticker.

8:18	Dave Cameron: All three outs on the outside cutter.

8:18	Comment From Tucker Thanks for doing these chats, I don’t have any buddies in town that have my level of interest in baseball, so this is a great way to enjoy the games with others.

8:18	Dave Cameron: Thanks for hanging out with us!

8:18	Comment From Owen S. Gameday reports it as a slider, not a cutter.

8:18	Dave Cameron: The difference between the two for a lot of pitchers is pretty minor.

8:19	Sean Dolinar: They use a neural network (machine learning) to classify pitches based on speed, break, etc. It can/is wrong a lot.

8:19	Comment From Scott Does Tanaka really have seven pitches? Are some just the same with minor changes to speed/horizontal movement?

8:19	Dave Cameron: http://www.fangraphs.com/pi…

8:20	Dave Cameron: I see four seam, two seam, splitter, cutter, curve, and slider. So six that seem distinct.

8:21	Comment From Kellen Is comparing Correa to A-Rod’s career arc a bit extreme?

8:21	Dave Cameron: Yes.

8:21	Comment From big fan heh jeff’s article got me wondering – besides knuckleballers, are there any pitchers who succeed without something resembling a fastball? Or is tanaka the closest we can get to that

8:21	Dave Cameron: There’s a ton of slider-heavy relievers.

8:21	Dave Cameron: But it’s pretty rare for a starter.

8:22	Comment From William Hasn’t Tanaka used a changeup before?

8:22	Dave Cameron: His splitter is probably called a change-up by some. It’s the same pitch in most cases.

8:23	Dave Cameron: Pretty great location on that fastball.

8:23	Comment From james splitter != changeup, just ask the arm

8:23	Dave Cameron: No, but from the perspective of what the pitch actually does, they serve the same purpose. Very few pitchers throw both.

8:24	Comment From Designated Bitter The playoff beard is real

8:25	Comment From ralph Did we already get your opinions on starting Chris Young and Gardner over Ellsbury?

8:25	Dave Cameron: Keuchel crushes lefties. It makes sense.

8:25	Dave Cameron: You can always sub in Ellsbury.

8:25	Comment From Sean One of the first tv analysts i have heard say that stressful pitches are more important than # of pitches

8:25	Dave Cameron: Really? I heard that all the time.

8:26	Comment From Julian If you could have anyone in the booth for the post season, who would it be?

8:26	Dave Cameron: Vin Scully and a mute person.

8:26	Comment From The Hamburglar Seems cruel to include the mute person, he just said anyone, not any 2 people

8:26	Dave Cameron: I’m fulfilling a mute person’s dream of going to the World Series. Why not make them happy to?

8:28	Comment From MRod % chance ARod juicing?

8:28	Dave Cameron: Depends on whether you think players have untestable stuff now. He’d be insane to take anything they can screen for. He probably gets tested every two hours.

8:28	Dave Cameron: (that’s hyperbole, but I guarantee you he got tested more than anyone else this year)

8:28	Comment From Jimbo They should have a crowd noise only audio option. It would make it more like being there.

8:28	Sean Dolinar: Yes, I use that on video games all the time

8:28	Comment From Ben There’s that Eric Cooper strike zone factoring in

8:28	Comment From james it was a strike

8:29	Comment From Designated Bitter k-zone liked it

8:29	Comment From Compton Is there anywhere to find playoff WPA? I’m curious if, despite all of the narratives, A-rod is fairly close to someone like Jeter.

8:29	Dave Cameron: Player page, click “show postseason”

8:29	Comment From Brian Gutsy pitch

8:29	Dave Cameron: He missed his spot by a few feet. That was fortunate more than anything, I think.

8:31	Comment From Guest Why isn’t WAR calculated for postseason performance?

8:31	Dave Cameron: No defensive metrics.

8:31	Comment From Scott Dave, both pitchers are throwing their fastballs up in the zone. If they really are missing their spots with their fastballs, what should a manager do??

8:32	Comment From Blast Hardcheese Colby Rasmus with the boomstickin’

8:32	Comment From Excitement And Rasmus cools Yankee stadium for a sec

8:32	Comment From Jimmy There’s a Colby Jack

8:32	Sean Dolinar: #YouCantPredictBaseball

8:33	Dave Cameron: “You think it’s just a simple pop fly.” It was, in any other park.

8:33	Comment From Ben 3 straight 1st pitch swings

8:33	Dave Cameron: Astros probably want to try and get away from off-speed pitch counts.

8:34	Comment From HVC Colby playoff bat flip game on point.

8:34	Dave Cameron: Speaking of bat flips, I really hope we see a Valbuena HR so we can see what he does. He’s got some flipping skills.

8:35	Comment From Keuchel Hernandez Did Valbuena just bat flip on a single up the middle?

8:35	Dave Cameron: You are clearly not familiar with the Luis Valbuena experience.

8:35	Dave Cameron: I’m pretty sure he bat flips getting out of bed.

8:35	Sean Dolinar: Is that an album?

8:36	Comment From Keuchel Hernandez To be fair how could anybody have experience with Valbuena hitting a ball in play for a hit?

8:36	Comment From Chad Umpire hasn’t missed a pitch yet

8:37	Dave Cameron: He does a good job of not calling that outside crap that some umps give too much of.

8:37	Dave Cameron: And there’s the low strike.

8:38	Comment From Compton This K-zone isn’t a perfect representation of the actual zone though, right? Like, it wouldn’t pick up backdoor strikes that a 3D zone would.

8:38	Dave Cameron: Correct.

8:39	Comment From Chad What’s tanaka’ leash?

8:39	Dave Cameron: I’d bet he goes no more than 5. Maybe less.

8:41	Comment From Kelvin What is the leverage index of this plate appearance?

8:41	Sean Dolinar: http://www.fangraphs.com/li…

8:41	Sean Dolinar: Leverage, win expectancy…all there!

8:43	Dave Cameron: And this is where Dave “Bullpen Game!” Cameron starts to suggest that you don’t want to let your starter bury you.

8:44	Dave Cameron: And that inning is a nice example of the power of sequencing: Tanaka gives up three walks and a HR and still only gives up 1 R.

8:45	Comment From Dodo Gregorius So that inning was like a kamikaze pilot crashing into the ocean and surviving?

8:46	Comment From Compton Dave I’m assuming you would have had the bullpen going and someone ready with the bases loaded in that situation. Would you have made a move for the Altuve at-bat, or would you have let Tanaka try to get out of it?

8:46	Dave Cameron: Well, I think the reality is that if you’re going to be as aggressive with the pen as I think teams should be in these games, you have to plan for it ahead of time. So you basically have someone ready every inning.

8:46	Comment From james I think RE24 is much underappreciated

8:46	Sean Dolinar: It depends on what question you are trying to answer. RE24 doesn’t work well for talent evaluation.

8:47	Dave Cameron: I think by the time you react to a rally, it’s usually too late.

8:48	Comment From james well, you mean it isn’t predictive

8:48	Sean Dolinar: also, yes.

8:48	Comment From Keuchel Hernandez Would you eat Sushi from Yankee Stadium?

8:48	Dave Cameron: Sure. I eat sushi in Winston-Salem, NC. Can’t be worse.

8:48	Comment From Zack Ive had YS sushi. Mediocre but acceptable

8:48	Dave Cameron: Eric Cooper has a tall strike zone; news at 11.

8:49	Comment From Crusty Juggler McCann looked happy!

8:49	Comment From Catoblepas Would you have started Murphy over McCann? Keuchel is soooo good against lefties

8:49	Dave Cameron: No, because McCann’s framing is valuable on defense, and Keuchel probably won’t pitch that deep.

8:50	Comment From Kelvin You tip Buster off on that, Dave?

8:50	Dave Cameron: He tweeted out the link to the InstaGraphs post, so he definitely saw it.

8:50	Comment From The Hamburglar That wasnt a strike either

8:51	Comment From The Hamburglar You cant give Keuchel an inch off every corner of the plate

8:51	Comment From Hank The Cooper zone is ridiculous. Consistently wrong = wrong.

8:51	Dave Cameron: These are close, to be fair. They aren’t insane calls. It’s just a big zone.

8:52	Comment From Will How could someone this commonly known to have a wrong strikezone be allowed to be the HP ump in a win or go home game?

8:52	Dave Cameron: Lots of umpires have big strike zones.

8:52	Comment From Bonzo Fangraphs spot on so far

8:52	Sean Dolinar: Blame Dave.

8:52	Dave Cameron: Cooper is actually a pretty good umpire.

8:54	Comment From Kris Mendoza is infinitely better than Schilling

8:54	Comment From Bonzo Won’t be up as late tonight at least with Cooper behind the plate

8:54	Dave Cameron: You don’t really want a small zone in a Yankee game.

8:55	Comment From Will As a Yankee fan, I definitely do want a small zone.

8:55	Comment From Compton Mendoza is great. She seems to only speak when she has something really insightful to say. Her good point per word ratio has to be the highest of anyone on ESPN.

8:55	Comment From xmx % McCann calls a first pitch juuust off the plate to see if Cooper will be fair?

8:56	Comment From Angus Jeff’s post about possession and the Yankees taking the most time on the mound was zero percent surprising.

8:56	Comment From The Hamburglar At least the Yankees are working the count against Keuchel and getting him deep into counts

8:57	Dave Cameron: Yeah, so that he’ll have thrown too many pitches to stay in third time through the order and instead you get a bunch of better relievers instead.

8:58	Comment From Jason HIgh bullpen ERA in september though…

8:58	Dave Cameron: Meaningless.

8:59	Comment From Rick Keuchel actually allowed his lowest opponent OPS when he was facing batters for the third time. http://www.baseball-referen…

8:59	Dave Cameron: Yes, but that’s one of those things that is almost certainly a fluke.

9:00	Dave Cameron: Even the best pitchers don’t actually get better as the game goes on. They just get less worse.

9:00	Comment From Designated Bitter Why do I imagine Dave Cameron as some batman-esque supervillain, watching the game from his underground lair. “Meaningless, you fools!”

9:01	Comment From Skore @designated bitter, you thought batman was the villian?

9:01	Comment From Keuchel+Hernandez Correa like Korea or Core-Eh-Yah? I hear both a lot

9:01	Dave Cameron: The latter.

9:02	Comment From Ben Kaspick Tanaka over/under 4 innings

9:02	Dave Cameron: I’ll go under at this point.

9:02	Comment From Pierre Dave are you getting somebody ready if you’re Girardi?

9:02	Dave Cameron: Yes.,

9:02	Comment From Chad Whose up next?

9:02	Dave Cameron: Wilson, probably.

9:02	Dave Cameron: Or maybe Warren.

9:02	Comment From Will Manager Cameron: Warren 3-4, Wilson 5, Betances 6-7, Miller 8-9?

9:02	Dave Cameron: Yeah, something like that.

9:03	Dave Cameron: Maybe Wilson to get out of the jam, then Warren to start an inning fresh.

9:03	Comment From Eric Would you throw Severino for an inning?

9:04	Dave Cameron: I’d try not to.

9:04	Comment From Kris Save Severino in case extras, no?

9:04	Dave Cameron: Yep.

9:05	Comment From Rick Who’s in reserve for the Astros in extras?

9:05	Dave Cameron: Fiers.

9:05	Comment From Designated Bitter Gattis could work an intentional walk to a 3-2 count

9:06	Dave Cameron: I’ve sometimes though a batter should swing at the 3-0 intentional walk pitch just to make them throw another one

9:06

Comment From Tom
So I watched Monday night football for the first time all season last night and absolutely loved ESPN’s broadcast. No bottom line, and the score bug disappears while plays are happening so literally the only thing to focus on is the action. Really disappointing they don’t do something similar for this game and just treat the broadcast as another Sunday night game

9:06	Sean Dolinar: ESPN only gets one Postseason broadcast. They won’t build a new graphics package for this game. Last year they used their MNF crew to shoot the game in PGH.

9:07	Comment From Keuchel+Hernandez Sweet play by Headley there

9:08	Comment From Compton Does Fangraphs have times through the order splits? I couldn’t see them on Keuchel’s splits page, but I thought I’ve seen them here before.

9:09	Dave Cameron: We don’t, yet. But there’s a big splits overhaul coming in the not too distant future.

9:09	Dave Cameron: You’ll like what we have when it’s up.

9:09	Comment From Yelp Who is Sean Dolinar?

9:09	Dave Cameron: I feel like Sean should answer this one.

9:10	Dave Cameron: But apparently Sean doesn’t want to.

9:11	Dave Cameron: Sean joined the staff earlier this year, and has helped tremendously improve the graphics we use on the site. He also runs our Twitter account, and does pieces helping explain the foundations of the metrics we use.

9:12	Dave Cameron: Archer calls framing “presenting”

9:12	Dave Cameron: Wonder if that’s what the Rays call it internally

9:13	Dave Cameron: Archer is being really good here, by the way.

9:13	Sean Dolinar: I was checking Twitter! And tweeting about my Postseason hat. I have a background in video, design, chemistry and statistics. So somehow making graphics on FanGraphs makes sense.

9:13	Dave Cameron: Super useful commentary.

9:13	Comment From Phillies113 I’m really really enjoying listening to Chris Archer right now

9:14	Dave Cameron: That was not a very good swing.

9:16	Dave Cameron: Nasty change-up.

9:16	Dave Cameron: Okay, off to go say goodnight to the wife and dog. Back in a few.

9:17	Sean Dolinar: Boom!

9:17	Comment From kevinthecomic KLOON!!!

9:17	Comment From Eric first pitch

9:18	Comment From Tucker That angle for that swing was sweet

9:19	Comment From filihok All the homers

9:19	Sean Dolinar: Second behind Toronto this year. (230 HR)

9:19	Dave Cameron: Well that was crushed.

9:20	Comment From Compton So Dave has the dog and the kid, Jeff has volcanoes, Eno has beer, and Kiley’s an asshole. Sean– what’s your thing?

9:20	Sean Dolinar: Computers, graphics, video production, stats, Twitter, 90s Music.

9:21	Comment From HVC Unis may have changed but Carlos hitting a bomb & bat flipping in front of McCann was freakin awesome.

9:21	Comment From Hendrik I am really enjoying this chat, but I’d probably enjoy it more if mlb.tv actually showed games live instead of a minute tape delay. God damnit

9:21	Sean Dolinar: International?

9:22	Dave Cameron: I don’t know if it’s intentional, but MLB.tv is always behind.

9:22	Dave Cameron: It’s not just for the postseason.

9:23	Comment From james Tanaka can’t get outs in the strikezone

9:23	Dave Cameron: His entire game is getting out of zone chass.

9:23	Dave Cameron: chases.

9:24	Dave Cameron: out of zoine chass is something else entirely.

9:24	Comment From Barry Like Archer, but, um, he needs to, um, stop saying um.

9:25	Dave Cameron: This isn’t his job. He isn’t trained for this. The insights are great. Ignore the ums.

9:25	Dave Cameron: What a meatball he just got away with.

9:27	Comment From Jimmy Archer just invited himself to announce another half inning and everyone at home cheered.

9:28	Comment From Kris He needs to do it after every half inning to see how long he can go haha

9:28	Comment From Luke FanGraphs needs to get an interview with Archer now. Really enjoying his commentary.

9:28	Dave Cameron: For sure.

9:28	Comment From HVC Screw the ums. Love the pitching insights and the “yes sir”s & “yes mam”s. MLB needs to be pushing smart, well spoken, über talented players like him as much as possible.

9:28	Dave Cameron: Agreed. I had no idea Archer was this insightful. MLB should absolutely be spotlighting guys like this.

9:29	Comment From Jenstrom FanGraphs Audio with Archer?

9:30	Comment From Kris Read this if you enjoy Archer. My first intro to him outside of baseball. http://www.sportsonearth.co…

9:32	Dave Cameron: Pretty great breaking ball there.

9:33	Comment From HVC As much as Kruk sucks, overall booth has been good. Schulman & Mendoza solid. Archer awesome. No one talking over each other. No patronizing sermons from Uncle McCarver.

9:34	Dave Cameron: Yeah, this has been a very good broadcast.

9:34	Comment From Tim Bullpen time for Yankees yet?

9:34	Dave Cameron: I’d probably hook him here.

9:35	Comment From Hank Why does ESPN insist on that ridiculous behind the catcher angle every inning?

9:35	Dave Cameron: I have no idea.

9:35	Comment From Furious Onanist It shows the ads all over the outfield

9:37	Dave Cameron: Gregorius has an arm.

9:37	Comment From Danny Yankee defense has been outstanding.

9:37	Comment From Phillies113 Gregorius actually has TWO arms

9:38	Dave Cameron: Got away with one there.

9:38	Dave Cameron: Tanaka’s in-zone command has been lousy.

9:39	Comment From B Girardi going to yank him after this inning?

9:39	Dave Cameron: No reason to keep pushing it.

9:39	Comment From Tim It seems like a growing thing in sports broadcasts: on the field (or court) camera angles to make you feel like you’re there and at the same time giving you no idea what is going on.

9:39	Sean Dolinar: Cameras are becoming cheaper and broadcasts are becoming a better experience than being there. (Especially football.)

9:41	Comment From B Honestly, I occasionally like seeing the field and fielders during a pitch. And I like seeing the ball out in play from behind the catcher, seeing players react, the path of the ball, etc. Not always, but sometimes.

9:41	Comment From Kevin How much more do you want ideally out of Keuchel? Two more then hand it to the pen?

9:41	Comment From Phillies113 I think football is the only one where that’s true. The other major sports are so much more fun live.

9:41	Sean Dolinar: I love going to baseball games, but sometimes it’s so much easier to chill on the couch and watch the baseball game on TV.

9:41	Dave Cameron: Yeah, no way do you ask for more than six on three days rest in an elimination game.

9:42	Comment From bill Any managers in this year’s post season have history of bad in-game decisions? (see Matt Williams last season)

9:42	Dave Cameron: Matheny is terrible in-game.

9:42	Dave Cameron: Ned Yost does weird things.

9:42	Comment From Yankee Fan If Keuchel goes six up, six down next two innings, you can’t take him out though, can you?

9:42	Dave Cameron: Sure you can.

9:43	Comment From Compton Do any teams have a strategic consultant or something similar to aid managers with in-game decisions?

9:43	Dave Cameron: He goes by the title “bench coach”

9:43	Dave Cameron: But they’re generally not statistically savvy.

9:44	Comment From Charles calls for the institution of a “bench nerd.”

9:44	Dave Cameron: Teams have started to be allowed to have ipads (with wifi disabled), so that might be where they head first.

9:45	Comment From Compton Do any teams have a stats guy in the dugout? I know from reading Big Data Baseball that Hurdle meets with the stats guys in between games, but has any team actually put them in the dugout?

9:46	Dave Cameron: No, no one has a pure stats guy as a coach.

9:46	Comment From DS Astros win expectancy closing in on 75%- seems a little high at this point, no?

9:46	Dave Cameron: And non-uniformed personnel not allowed in the dugout.

9:46	Sean Dolinar: Teams fail to score runs in 70% of all innings, so not really. And 25% is a large chance to come back.

9:46	Comment From Chad Kuech isn’t missing his spots. They aren’t pulling him

9:47	Dave Cameron: Refsnyder just missed one. The worm turns fast.

9:47	Comment From The Hamburglar Ya whether you think they should pull him or not, theyre not going to until the Yankees make him pay

9:48	Dave Cameron: Which is the problem. In an elimination game, once you’ve waited until the pitcher has “paid”, you may have very well lost the game.

9:48	Dave Cameron: The biggest change that needs to happen in the dugout is proactive decision making versus reactive decision making.

9:49	Dave Cameron: The old “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” mentality is just not a good way to run a club.

9:49	Comment From Chad This move is somewhat proactive

9:49	Dave Cameron: Yep.

9:50	Comment From The Hamburglar Those are getting called for Keuchel

9:51	Comment From Will But also win expectancy doesn’t account for the Yankees having Miller in Betances, so it’s probably a bit higher right?

9:51	Sean Dolinar: Yeah, Win Expectancy is generalized for all of MLB.

9:51	Dave Cameron: But most teams have good relievers, so the gap isn’t as huge as people make it out to be.

9:52	Comment From Nelson Is Rasmus considered a bust or success based on his prospect status?

9:52	Dave Cameron: In between, leaning towards bust.

9:54	Comment From Catoblepas Girardi one of the better managers, no?

9:54	Dave Cameron: I think so, yes.

9:55	Comment From Sgt. Pepper Gary Pettis is a man who likes clapping

9:55	Comment From Snarfle Nice 1-6-3

9:56	Comment From Will And now the only pitchers for the rest of the game should be Betances and Miller. On you offense.

9:56	Dave Cameron: I might try to get another inning from Wilson, so that you could cover 7-10 with Betances/Miller in case of extras.

9:56	Dave Cameron: But I can see the case for not worrying about 10th inning and just going to Betances now.

9:56	Comment From Pep Is WAR calculated differently at each position? And if so, is WAR for relief pitchers different than WAR for starters?

9:56	Sean Dolinar: Yes, Position Player WAR, then SP and RP are both separate. RP WAR is weighted by leverage.

9:58	Comment From Pep so 2.0 WAR for reliever is still average?

9:58	Dave Cameron: No, 2.0 WAR for a reliever is elite

9:58	Dave Cameron: Average is roughly 0.5 WAR per 60 innings for a reliever.

9:58	Sean Dolinar: 9 players with >= 2.0 WAR http://www.fangraphs.com/le…

9:59	Comment From Chad Pen better get moving