2015 ZiPS Projections – Boston Red Sox

After having typically appeared in the very hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have been released at FanGraphs the past couple years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Boston Red Sox. Szymborski can be found at ESPN and on Twitter at @DSzymborski.

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Batters
Despite the considerable investments made by the club both in Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval this offseason — amounting to nearly $200 million collectively, those contracts — the top WAR projection among all Red Sox players belongs to their second-round pick from the 2004 draft. Dustin Pedroia produced the lowest slugging and isolated-power figures (.376 and .098, respectively) of his career last year, while also recording a career-worst strikeout rate (12.3%). ZiPS calls for Pedroia to find some positive regression in all three areas while still retaining his elite second-base defense.

Probably also capable of providing if not elite, then at least above-average, second-base defense is Mookie Betts. Owing to the continued employment by the club of Pedroia, however, Betts will be forced to supply above-average defense elsewhere. In this case, the most likely destination is right field. It would fair to say that Betts doesn’t possess the typical right-field profile, featuring less power and size than most who play the position. He has excellent plate-discipline skills, however, plus speed and non-negligible power on contact. Note that Betts’ defensive projection below (of -1 runs) is for center field. The equivalent in right would be about +6 or +7 runs saved.

Pitchers
As noted by Dave Cameron last Thursday, Rick Porcello isn’t necessarily the pitcher one conjures up when endeavoring to identify an obvious No. 1 starter for a postseason contender. ZiPS is optimistic that he can at least fake it for the time being, however. Despite having never posted above a 3.2 WAR in any season, Porcello is projected to produce a 3.5 WAR for Boston in 2015. This is unusual, of course. Projections systems are marked, if anything, by the application of regression to a player’s performances. To project a career year, then, is by definition atypical.

A hasty inspection of the ZiPS projections published here at the site so far reveals only two pitchers — Clayton Kershaw (60 ERA-) and Craig Kimbrel (42 ERA-) — to receive a better ERA forecast relative to park and league than Koji Uehara. That group will likely receive at least one more member — after Cincinnati’s projections are published, for example — but the point remains that Uehara continues to profile as one of the league’s best pitchers on a per-inning basis.

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Bench/Prospects
Outfielder Shane Victorino (402 PA, 1.2 WAR) is omitted from the depth-chart image below, but will almost certainly play something larger than a typical bench role. The same sentiment probably applies to Allen Craig (506 PA, 0.5 WAR) and, merely because his defense is so good, Jackie Bradley Jr. (505 PA, 0.7 WAR). Catcher Blake Swihart (461 PA, 1.9 WAR) receives the top WAR projection among batting prospects. Rookie-eligible pitchers Matt Barnes, Edwin Escobar, Henry Owens, and Eduardo Rodriguez — all four of them — receive a projection better than 1.0 WAR.

Depth Chart
Below is a rough depth chart for the present incarnation of the Red Sox, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player. For caveats regarding WAR values see disclaimer at bottom of post. Click to embiggen image.

Boston Depth Chart

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site and author’s own haphazard reasoning.

Batters, Counting Stats

Player B Age PO PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS
Dustin Pedroia R 31 2B 642 75 161 34 1 10 62 12 6
Mookie Betts R 22 CF 653 88 156 36 4 13 65 30 8
David Ortiz L 39 DH 537 59 129 27 1 29 88 1 0
Pablo Sandoval B 28 3B 588 70 150 31 3 19 83 0 1
Hanley Ramirez R 31 LF 495 67 120 31 1 16 70 14 5
Rusney Castillo R 27 CF 583 66 144 24 3 11 50 21 9
Xander Bogaerts R 22 SS 607 69 144 30 4 14 53 5 3
Mike Napoli R 33 1B 467 50 95 20 1 19 54 2 1
Blake Swihart B 23 C 461 47 105 25 3 8 45 5 4
Christian Vazquez R 24 C 460 44 102 22 0 4 38 2 3
Ryan Hanigan R 34 C 286 21 59 11 0 4 29 0 0
Garin Cecchini L 24 3B 541 59 125 28 3 6 47 16 5
Shane Victorino R 34 RF 402 47 95 18 3 8 37 15 2
Daniel Nava B 32 RF 455 49 103 23 0 7 44 3 2
Brock Holt! L 27 3B 581 69 141 25 5 4 43 14 6
Sean Coyle R 23 2B 376 45 79 17 1 14 40 10 2
Deven Marrero R 24 SS 468 46 99 21 1 4 34 16 6
Jackie Bradley Jr. L 25 CF 505 58 103 25 2 7 41 10 5
Jemile Weeks B 28 2B 496 56 108 22 6 2 31 13 4
Allen Craig R 30 RF 506 55 119 26 1 13 64 2 1
Luke Montz R 31 C 214 23 39 10 0 7 27 1 1
Ryan Roberts R 34 2B 365 38 77 17 1 7 34 5 4
Manuel Margot R 20 CF 503 52 113 22 3 9 43 29 21
Bryce Brentz R 26 LF 419 46 95 20 1 13 45 2 2
Mike McCoy R 34 SS 360 35 67 14 1 2 24 12 5
Travis Shaw L 25 1B 550 57 112 27 2 14 52 6 3
Justin Henry L 30 2B 387 34 84 14 3 1 26 9 5
Jeff Bianchi R 28 SS 321 28 69 13 1 3 28 6 3
Brandon Snyder R 28 1B 242 24 51 12 0 7 24 1 0
Keury de la Cruz L 23 LF 437 40 99 22 2 8 41 7 6
Henry Ramos B 23 RF 370 35 79 15 2 7 31 5 9
Blake Tekotte L 28 RF 379 38 72 20 3 8 34 8 6

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Batters, Rates and Averages

Player PA BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA
Dustin Pedroia 642 8.6% 11.5% .114 .301 .278 .340 .392 .323
Mookie Betts 653 9.2% 13.0% .142 .292 .266 .336 .408 .335
David Ortiz 537 11.9% 16.4% .249 .282 .277 .363 .526 .361
Pablo Sandoval 588 6.6% 14.5% .175 .297 .279 .328 .454 .335
Hanley Ramirez 495 9.3% 19.2% .184 .312 .271 .345 .455 .351
Rusney Castillo 583 5.8% 14.1% .117 .300 .269 .326 .386 .320
Xander Bogaerts 607 7.2% 21.4% .146 .317 .263 .322 .409 .321
Mike Napoli 467 13.9% 29.1% .200 .314 .241 .353 .441 .350
Blake Swihart 461 5.4% 21.0% .128 .294 .242 .284 .370 .287
Christian Vazquez 460 7.6% 19.6% .082 .302 .246 .305 .328 .280
Ryan Hanigan 286 11.2% 12.9% .093 .266 .240 .335 .333 .292
Garin Cecchini 541 8.3% 22.7% .107 .330 .256 .325 .363 .311
Shane Victorino 402 6.0% 14.7% .132 .291 .261 .317 .393 .318
Daniel Nava 455 8.6% 20.2% .110 .316 .258 .339 .368 .316
Brock Holt! 581 6.5% 17.7% .088 .321 .267 .318 .355 .299
Sean Coyle 376 7.2% 32.4% .179 .313 .232 .293 .411 .312
Deven Marrero 468 6.8% 22.4% .082 .294 .230 .285 .312 .271
Jackie Bradley Jr. 505 8.1% 25.7% .111 .302 .228 .302 .339 .288
Jemile Weeks 496 8.9% 16.1% .092 .296 .247 .321 .339 .296
Allen Craig 506 6.7% 21.3% .145 .307 .258 .314 .403 .317
Luke Montz 214 8.9% 29.9% .162 .262 .204 .280 .366 .285
Ryan Roberts 365 7.7% 21.1% .120 .280 .232 .292 .352 .284
Manuel Margot 503 6.0% 19.1% .119 .289 .244 .292 .363 .284
Bryce Brentz 419 6.2% 29.1% .157 .322 .245 .296 .402 .307
Mike McCoy 360 9.4% 19.2% .070 .264 .213 .292 .283 .259
Travis Shaw 550 9.1% 26.0% .147 .288 .227 .300 .374 .301
Justin Henry 387 7.5% 15.0% .066 .282 .239 .299 .305 .270
Jeff Bianchi 321 5.0% 22.1% .080 .291 .231 .270 .311 .258
Brandon Snyder 242 5.0% 30.6% .147 .303 .228 .277 .375 .290
Keury de la Cruz 437 3.7% 27.5% .120 .311 .237 .263 .357 .270
Henry Ramos 370 5.7% 24.6% .117 .291 .230 .277 .347 .270
Blake Tekotte 379 6.6% 30.3% .145 .286 .209 .269 .354 .274

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Batters, Assorted Other

Player PA RC/27 OPS+ Def zWAR No.1 Comp
Dustin Pedroia 642 5.0 101 12 3.8 Billy Herman
Mookie Betts 653 5.3 104 -1 3.1 Andrew McCutchen
David Ortiz 537 7.2 141 0 2.9 Rafael Palmeiro
Pablo Sandoval 588 5.5 112 -1 2.8 Aramis Ramirez
Hanley Ramirez 495 5.9 118 4 2.7 Bernard Gilkey
Rusney Castillo 583 4.7 100 3 2.4 Mike Devereaux
Xander Bogaerts 607 4.8 100 -5 2.3 Jhonny Peralta
Mike Napoli 467 5.5 117 4 2.0 Greg Luzinski
Blake Swihart 461 3.7 78 7 1.9 Tim Laker
Christian Vazquez 460 3.5 74 6 1.6 Maxim St. Pierre
Ryan Hanigan 286 4.0 85 3 1.4 Gene Desautels
Garin Cecchini 541 4.4 89 -2 1.3 Ernest Riles
Shane Victorino 402 4.9 94 4 1.2 Dan Gladden
Daniel Nava 455 4.5 95 4 1.1 Jason Michaels
Brock Holt! 581 4.2 85 0 1.1 Jose Vizcaino
Sean Coyle 376 4.4 91 -1 1.0 Gary Gaetti
Deven Marrero 468 3.2 64 6 0.9 Andre Wood
Jackie Bradley Jr. 505 3.6 76 3 0.7 Kevin Romine
Jemile Weeks 496 4.0 82 -3 0.6 Nelson Liriano
Allen Craig 506 4.6 96 -2 0.5 Rondell White
Luke Montz 214 3.4 76 -2 0.3 Steve Yeager
Ryan Roberts 365 3.5 76 0 0.2 Webster Garrison
Manuel Margot 503 3.5 79 -2 0.1 Lou Collier
Bryce Brentz 419 4.2 90 -3 0.0 Walter Young
Mike McCoy 360 2.9 59 -1 -0.1 Rabbit Warstler
Travis Shaw 550 3.9 84 3 -0.2 Chris Weinke
Justin Henry 387 3.2 67 0 -0.2 Chris DeLaCruz
Jeff Bianchi 321 3.0 60 0 -0.2 Steve Sisco
Brandon Snyder 242 3.7 77 1 -0.3 Fred McNair
Keury de la Cruz 437 3.2 69 1 -1.0 James Hall
Henry Ramos 370 3.0 70 -2 -1.2 Felix Jose
Blake Tekotte 379 3.1 69 -4 -1.2 James Clifford

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Pitchers, Counting Stats

Player T Age G GS IP K BB HR H R ER
Rick Porcello R 26 31 29 183.7 131 42 17 185 81 76
Wade Miley L 28 31 30 186.7 155 63 19 184 87 81
Clay Buchholz R 30 25 25 153.3 118 50 17 152 76 71
Edwin Escobar L 23 26 24 138.3 113 39 17 138 67 63
Justin Masterson R 30 29 26 157.7 134 71 14 150 80 75
Henry Owens L 22 26 26 138.7 132 70 17 130 71 66
Joe Kelly R 27 28 20 124.0 83 49 12 125 62 58
Matt Barnes R 25 25 22 121.7 94 46 13 124 62 58
Eduardo Rodriguez R 22 23 23 122.7 89 44 12 128 63 59
Koji Uehara R 40 59 0 56.7 69 9 7 44 17 16
Anthony Ranaudo R 25 24 24 125.3 82 52 16 129 68 64
Dana Eveland L 31 34 10 85.0 67 31 9 85 42 39
Junichi Tazawa R 29 69 0 68.0 68 19 6 62 27 25
Brandon Workman R 26 30 22 130.7 106 44 20 135 72 67
Brian Johnson L 24 23 23 108.3 81 47 14 109 59 55
Zeke Spruill R 25 30 19 120.7 75 42 13 131 66 62
Burke Badenhop R 32 65 0 63.0 42 15 5 64 27 25
Ryan Dempster R 38 18 16 93.3 77 41 15 96 54 50
Tom Layne L 30 62 0 59.0 51 29 5 54 27 25
Anthony Varvaro R 30 57 0 58.7 46 24 5 56 27 25
Heath Hembree R 26 57 0 57.7 55 23 6 54 27 25
Edward Mujica R 31 63 0 58.7 43 12 7 60 28 26
Noe Ramirez R 25 42 0 62.0 46 20 6 62 30 28
Steven Wright R 30 22 19 113.7 72 57 15 123 70 65
Drake Britton L 26 41 10 94.0 62 48 10 99 55 51
Jandel Gustave R 22 19 13 70.3 47 35 9 76 43 40
Craig Breslow L 34 59 0 55.0 40 24 6 56 29 27
Ryan Verdugo L 28 21 15 81.3 60 44 12 85 50 47
Mike Augliera R 25 23 22 114.7 52 27 17 136 72 67
Robby Scott L 25 30 0 50.3 34 21 6 53 29 27
Casey Crosby L 26 15 10 53.0 36 44 8 57 39 36
Mitchell Boggs R 31 52 0 61.7 33 31 7 68 39 36
Nestor Molina R 26 32 7 68.0 37 27 13 82 48 45

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Pitchers, Rates and Averages

Player IP TBF K% BB% BABIP ERA FIP ERA- FIP-
Rick Porcello 183.7 778 16.8% 5.4% .288 3.72 3.59 91 88
Wade Miley 186.7 807 19.2% 7.8% .291 3.91 3.82 96 93
Clay Buchholz 153.3 662 17.8% 7.6% .287 4.17 4.13 102 101
Edwin Escobar 138.3 592 19.1% 6.6% .291 4.10 4.07 100 100
Justin Masterson 157.7 694 19.3% 10.2% .295 4.28 4.18 105 102
Henry Owens 138.7 616 21.4% 11.4% .290 4.28 4.51 105 110
Joe Kelly 124.0 546 15.2% 9.0% .285 4.21 4.33 103 106
Matt Barnes 121.7 535 17.6% 8.6% .295 4.29 4.26 105 104
Eduardo Rodriguez 122.7 540 16.5% 8.1% .299 4.33 4.17 106 102
Koji Uehara 56.7 223 30.9% 4.0% .270 2.54 2.78 62 68
Anthony Ranaudo 125.3 557 14.7% 9.3% .281 4.60 4.85 113 119
Dana Eveland 85.0 371 18.1% 8.4% .296 4.13 4.20 101 103
Junichi Tazawa 68.0 285 23.9% 6.7% .293 3.31 3.12 81 76
Brandon Workman 130.7 571 18.6% 7.7% .290 4.61 4.60 113 113
Brian Johnson 108.3 481 16.8% 9.8% .286 4.57 4.81 112 118
Zeke Spruill 120.7 535 14.0% 7.8% .296 4.62 4.46 113 109
Burke Badenhop 63.0 268 15.7% 5.6% .288 3.57 3.35 87 82
Ryan Dempster 93.3 417 18.5% 9.8% .288 4.82 4.98 118 122
Tom Layne 59.0 260 19.6% 11.2% .285 3.81 4.08 93 100
Anthony Varvaro 58.7 256 18.0% 9.4% .283 3.84 3.85 94 94
Heath Hembree 57.7 250 22.0% 9.2% .293 3.90 3.82 95 94
Edward Mujica 58.7 248 17.3% 4.8% .286 3.99 3.83 98 94
Noe Ramirez 62.0 268 17.2% 7.5% .290 4.06 4.02 99 98
Steven Wright 113.7 521 13.8% 10.9% .291 5.15 5.24 126 128
Drake Britton 94.0 429 14.5% 11.2% .292 4.88 4.79 119 117
Jandel Gustave 70.3 322 14.6% 10.9% .295 5.12 5.12 125 125
Craig Breslow 55.0 245 16.3% 9.8% .289 4.42 4.46 108 109
Ryan Verdugo 81.3 373 16.1% 11.8% .290 5.20 5.38 127 132
Mike Augliera 114.7 507 10.3% 5.3% .294 5.26 5.04 129 123
Robby Scott 50.3 225 15.1% 9.3% .292 4.83 4.70 118 115
Casey Crosby 53.0 260 13.8% 16.9% .292 6.11 6.45 149 158
Mitchell Boggs 61.7 284 11.6% 10.9% .292 5.25 5.09 128 125
Nestor Molina 68.0 313 11.8% 8.6% .297 5.96 5.76 146 141

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Pitchers, Assorted Other

Player IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA+ zWAR No. 1 Comp
Rick Porcello 183.7 6.42 2.06 0.83 109 3.5 Chris Holt
Wade Miley 186.7 7.47 3.04 0.92 104 3.1 Chris Hammond
Clay Buchholz 153.3 6.93 2.94 1.00 97 2.0 Scott Kamieniecki
Edwin Escobar 138.3 7.35 2.54 1.11 99 1.9 Patrick Misch
Justin Masterson 157.7 7.65 4.05 0.80 95 1.8 Bobby Witt
Henry Owens 138.7 8.57 4.54 1.10 95 1.6 Jim Deshaies
Joe Kelly 124.0 6.02 3.56 0.87 96 1.5 Chris Hook
Matt Barnes 121.7 6.95 3.40 0.96 95 1.4 Brad Rigby
Eduardo Rodriguez 122.7 6.53 3.23 0.88 94 1.4 Clemente Nunez
Koji Uehara 56.7 10.95 1.43 1.11 160 1.3 Trevor Hoffman
Anthony Ranaudo 125.3 5.89 3.74 1.15 88 1.0 Mike Fyhrie
Dana Eveland 85.0 7.09 3.28 0.95 98 0.9 Terry Burrows
Junichi Tazawa 68.0 9.00 2.51 0.79 123 0.9 Donnie Moore
Brandon Workman 130.7 7.30 3.03 1.38 88 0.9 Shane Bowers
Brian Johnson 108.3 6.73 3.91 1.16 89 0.9 Dave Otto
Zeke Spruill 120.7 5.59 3.13 0.97 88 0.7 Tim Drew
Burke Badenhop 63.0 6.00 2.14 0.71 114 0.6 Ron Taylor
Ryan Dempster 93.3 7.43 3.95 1.45 84 0.4 Ed Riley
Tom Layne 59.0 7.78 4.42 0.76 106 0.4 Matt Whisenant
Anthony Varvaro 58.7 7.05 3.68 0.77 106 0.4 Jason Bullard
Heath Hembree 57.7 8.58 3.59 0.94 104 0.3 Todd Bussa
Edward Mujica 58.7 6.59 1.84 1.07 102 0.2 Kenny Greer
Noe Ramirez 62.0 6.68 2.90 0.87 100 0.2 Jerry Spradlin
Steven Wright 113.7 5.70 4.51 1.19 79 0.0 Giovanni Carrara
Drake Britton 94.0 5.94 4.60 0.96 83 0.0 Brian Matz
Jandel Gustave 70.3 6.02 4.48 1.15 79 0.0 Jon Asahina
Craig Breslow 55.0 6.55 3.93 0.98 92 -0.1 Mike Venafro
Ryan Verdugo 81.3 6.64 4.87 1.33 78 -0.1 Mike Spiegel
Mike Augliera 114.7 4.08 2.12 1.33 77 -0.1 Ryan Cox
Robby Scott 50.3 6.08 3.76 1.07 84 -0.3 Al Levine
Casey Crosby 53.0 6.11 7.47 1.36 66 -0.7 Bill White
Mitchell Boggs 61.7 4.81 4.52 1.02 77 -0.8 Mike Sullivan
Nestor Molina 68.0 4.90 3.57 1.72 68 -1.0 Steven Rowe

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Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2014. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 3.93 ERA and the NL having a 3.75 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.





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Brock Holt!
11 years ago

I’m glad you’re so excited about me!

PWR
11 years ago
Reply to  Brock Holt!

is there some inside joke about the exclamation from Zips?

Rob
11 years ago
Reply to  PWR

I believe it is in reference to the character Steve Holt from Arrested Development who would exclaim, “Steve Holt!” regularly as a catch phrase and a form of self-congratulation.

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago
Reply to  Rob

Steve Holt!

Jamie
11 years ago
Reply to  PWR

Arrested Development was a good show.

Michael
11 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Has anyone in this family ever seen a chicken?

Baltar
11 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

Yes, it was. What a shame that the new Netflix version, even with all the same actors, isn’t.

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

The new format following one character for an episode really disrupted the strength of the ensemble cast. Still worth watching, but yeah, not great.

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

It sounds like they are recutting it as a proper show, though.

I really think that all the component parts were there, so I’m excited.

Andrew
11 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

BEES?

BEADS?!?!

Catoblepas
11 years ago

Holy cow, 10 pitchers projected as capable of producing 1 or more WAR is pretty nice. I understand there’s no ace, but there’s certainly no lack of depth.

Catoblepas
11 years ago
Reply to  Catoblepas

Also wow those Mookie and Xander comps make me very happy.

Living in 2014
11 years ago
Reply to  Catoblepas

Last year’s Xander comp was Tulo.

Anthony
11 years ago
Reply to  Living in 2014

Obviously Peralta isn’t Tulo, but he has quietly accrued just under 30 WAR, is coming of a 5.4 WAR year, and way back in 2005 when he started the year as a 22-year old (hey, that’s what Xander’s gonna do!) he posted a 4.4-win year. He’s gotten to 3.5+ wins on five separate occasions.

Avattoir
11 years ago
Reply to  Catoblepas

Now all they have to find is enough work for 15 pitchers and the Bosox might just give all that hitting a chance to fail to catch the Os.

jfree
11 years ago
Reply to  Catoblepas

I’d be interested to know how much of that pitching WAR is actual WAR of the pitchers on staff – and how much is the ‘park factor adjustments’ of past years (ie riding the coattails of past years of Lester/etc)

Dave
11 years ago

Nice comp for Sean Coyle! Not so inspiring for Blake Swihart.

Phillies113
11 years ago

I’m trying not to be very impressed with these projections for the Red Sox, but I am failing miserably. What a solid team this is going to be.

Ben Suissa
11 years ago

Joe Kelly isn’t predicted to win the CY young?

PWR
11 years ago

Tim Laker?

Catoblepas
11 years ago

Very bullish on Edwin Escobar! Would love to hear where that’s coming from.

TB
11 years ago

1) Red Sox will go from only having 3 players with 24+ doubles to 7. Nice.
2) Why only 186 innings for Miley? He has 3 years of 190+ IP.

Anthony
11 years ago
Reply to  TB

186 and 190-200 IP are barely different. That’s a strange quibble.

DatDudeJD
11 years ago

How does a starter projected to be worth 3.5 WAR get rounded up to 4? What? I know this chart isn’t suppose to be the most accurate thing in the world, but c’mon.

Los
11 years ago
Reply to  DatDudeJD

That is how rounding works.

Sincerely,

Anyone who has taken second grade math.

DatDudeJD
11 years ago
Reply to  Los

Thanks for your stupid, useless comment. I know you round up from .5. What I don’t get is how you have a chart that so badly misrepresents what the projection actually says. How hard is it to add .5 to a chart? Why even have the chart if it’s going to misrepresent the player’s projection by half a win?

Phillies113
11 years ago
Reply to  DatDudeJD

The chart is only there for illustrative purposes and to give a general idea of how these guys project. The tables should be referred to for proper ZiPS projections, not the chart; that’s only their to whet your appetite.

Phillies113
11 years ago
Reply to  DatDudeJD

there*

Link
11 years ago
Reply to  DatDudeJD

If you want a rational for why it is rounded to a whole number, let me know when the last time an MLB team had a fractional win. Or you could just mentally adjust like a normal person. Castillo is only shown as 2 vs the 2.4 he was projected for.

arc
11 years ago
Reply to  DatDudeJD

.5 WAR is not considered to be a misrepresentation by anyone who doesn’t very obviously have an axe to grind.

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago
Reply to  Los

But not Common Core math where 3.9 = 3

DL80
11 years ago

And not Reform Math, where 3.5 = approximately 3 or so.

Matt
11 years ago

Common core is a great system for anybody that actually understands math or wants to learn how to do mental arithmetic.

The ‘old strategy’ to do arithmetic is outdated in a world where you will always have a calculator in your pocket. Learning to add the way we were taught is no longer useful. Common core teaches kids how to do math in their head, which is a very helpful skill.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago

I don’t know anything about common core but i find it hard to believe that anything could be worse than how math was taught in america when i was going to school ~ 15 years ago

Anthony Bruno
11 years ago

Common core is the most useless garbage teaching I have ever had as a student. I am heading to private school next year because of it. It forces students to do math in the single way the teachers want, not what is most comfortable to them. I have come up with ways to solve problems quicker than the Common Core way but have been forced to do the long recommended version instead. It is clearly dumbed down into long boring easy step by step problems that anybody could solve, but would never use in the real world because it takes to long. We are suddenly communist in schools, now that the smart kids arent challenged and the “advanced” classes are so numerous anybody who turns it their homework on a consistent basis earns a spot.

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago

Matt, the main issue I have with common core is it forces kids who can do math in their head to dumb it down. It is no longer correct to actually solve the problem, but instead you have to do all this assanine rounding to estimate if your answer is correct, which if you learn math you don’t need to estimate. Math is about right and wrong, not close enough.

Matt
11 years ago

Pirates Hurdles –

But the kids that are doing the math in their head have either just memorized the answers (which isn’t a sustainable method because you can’t memorize every possible combination) or are actually already doing the common core strategy without realizing it.

Using rounding seems silly to do simple problems like 12*2, and it’s even more ridiculous to write it all down on paper since the point of it is that it teaches you how to do the math in your head.

But you have to start with writing it out, and you have to start with easy problems to learn the skill so that you can apply it much harder problems, like doing 17*14 in your head. Most people don’t have that answer memorized, and doing it the ‘old fashioned’ way is very hard to do in your head because you have to keep track of too many digits at once. But if you use the common core strategy, it becomes a very easy problem to do in your head.

17 * 14 = (17*10 + 15*4 + 2*4) = 170 + 60 + 8 = 230 + 8 = 238.

Not many people could just do 17*14 in their head without using a method like this, whether they realize they are doing it or not. And it only gets harder the bigger numbers you use.

Matt
11 years ago

Anthony Bruno:

I disagree with you completely. Speaking as somebody who is in the “real world” and not still in school…I’m a mechanical engineer, and I use common core literally every single day to do mental arithmetic. It’s the only way to add/subtract/multiply/divide large and not-round numbers in your head. Obviously I don’t write it down, because that’s not the point of the method. You just have to do it like that at first to learn how it works.

What you will “never use in the real world” is the method of adding where you write down the numbers and add the columns and carry the tens digit, etc. That is outdated since we all have calculators in our pockets that can do that in seconds. So learning to do math that way is a giant waste of time.

whonichol
11 years ago

Brock Holt!

\o/

dudebro14
11 years ago

The exclamation point next to Brock Holt’s name made laugh.

dudebro14
11 years ago
Sean C
11 years ago

The Mookie comp…….

Don’t do this to me. I’m at work and you’ve got me soiling my pants before 11 AM!!

Big Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  Sean C

Me too.

Cave Dameron
11 years ago

Betts is at least 3 wins down.

Cracking Chang
11 years ago

Once the Sox stopped sending Mookie on the Pawtucket shuttle and made him a ML regular on August 18th, he OPS’d above .855 (last 100 ABs). He has put on 10 lbs of muscle this winter. Pen it in now for the next 6 seasons. “leading off for the Boston Red Sox….Mookie Betts”

John DiFool
11 years ago
Reply to  Cracking Chang

Leading off? Hell he might be hitting cleanup before too long…

Dovif
11 years ago
Reply to  Cracking Chang

Sure you did not mean the phillies?

Confused
11 years ago

Could someone kindly(or rudely) explain the comps to me? For example, why is Mookie Betts projected for 3 WAR, but his comp is Cutch, who will likely produce between 6-8 WAR. Does this mean Betts just has a similar playing stlye to Cutch, although he isn’t likely to match his production?

Dave
11 years ago
Reply to  Confused

Betts is earlier in his career path. McCutchen didn’t put up 6-8 WAR until his prime years.

Confused
11 years ago
Reply to  Dave

So to answer my original question, are you saying that Zips is projecting Betts to develop into a 6-8 WAR player when he hits his prime?

Dave
11 years ago
Reply to  Confused

I would say “yes”, but keep in mind that Cutch is just his closest projection. It doesn’t mean their projections are identical.

Los
11 years ago
Reply to  Confused

No…this is just the top comp at similar times in their development. Cutch was just the top comp but I would venture to say that ZiPS sees it as unlikely for Mookie to ever have one let alone three nearly 7 WAR seasons.

Dave
11 years ago
Reply to  Confused

Yeah, I saw that Betts’ 2nd comp is Mark Carreon…so Betts could really go in either direction.

Catoblepas
11 years ago
Reply to  Confused

Right, going of what Los said, this doesn’t mean you’ll predict him to develop into what McCutchen is now, because you wouldn’t have predicted McCutchen to develop into what he is now when he was a 22-year-old.

Manuel Margot Kidder
11 years ago
Reply to  Confused

Twelve months ago Brian Cartwright’s OLIVER projection system had Mookie producing 5.5 WAR in his age 22 season.
In other words, one year ago OLIVER placed Betts among the top 5 prospects in the game, when *nobody* else had him in their top 50. So I’d trust that particular projection system, when it comes to Mookie.

Jeff
11 years ago

Wow, I don’t like these projections AT ALL

Hanley hitting only .271 16hrs? Lol Steamer has him at .291 20hrs. Heck if he has one of his “good years” at Fenway, which drasticallly favores RH pull hitters, Hanley could hit .315+ 25+hr hitter

Pedroia only at a 3.8 WAR and down offensive numbers all around is a joke. He just had surgery on his thumb and now has 100% strength and has said he hasnt felt this good in years (he was playing through a thumb injury these last few years which resulted in down power) I wouldnt be surprised if he hit .310+ and 15+hrs. Of course you can’t project that, but a fair projection would be .295 12hrs

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

I don’t think you understand how this works (these are mean projections). You projections would seem to require a time machine. The last time Pedroia went .310/15 was 2008. Hanley at .315/25 was 2007.

DL80
11 years ago

But HITBSOHL! (he’s in the best shape of his life)

Sterling
11 years ago
Reply to  DL80
Jason B
11 years ago

But CONSTERNATION! You and your logic and facts shall not stand in the way of my BLUSTER!!1

arc
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

AT ALL

Jeff
11 years ago

Actually Hanley was a .345 20hr hitter was 2013 And Pedroia has been a .300 15hr hitter in 2012

Josh
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

And to add to the comment above mine, mean projections indicate basically the average of what’s possible. Just because the computer man and his numbers spit out this as average does not mean that Pedroia/Ramirez/anyone else will not have great years owing to some circumstance like being healthier. It’s entirely possible that Hanley hits .350/40HR but it’s probably just as likely he hits .180/6HR.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

“I think these projections should be much higher” says fan of team being projected.

Phillies113
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

The best part is that these projections are actually very good!

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

I actually love these projections.

The only thing I disagree with is how low Xander is, and I have an oft-stated man-crush on Mookie Betts.

kumar chaudhari
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

Interestingly, ZIPS is projecting Red Sox pitching to be somewhat better than Steamer (based on WAR) and position players to be somewhat less WAR’d. Without adding it all up (but using my common core math skills), both ZIPS and Steamer seem to be projecting a similarly good year for the Red Sox.

Dar
11 years ago

Most disappointing: Hanley at 2.7 WAR despite a +4 on defense. This cannot be what the Sox were hoping for when the shelled out $22M per year.

Most encouraging: Miley at 3.1 WAR. I’d had him pegged for a solidly average starter. (Castillo being above average is also a big plus.)

Overall, a good looking team.

Cracking Chang
11 years ago
Reply to  Dar

Dar, have to agree with you, the Hanley signing was a head scratcher. I would have rather had the Sox passed on Hanley & Masterson and used that $$$ on Lester and gone with an OF of Betts/Castillo/Nava/Craig/Victorino.

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago
Reply to  Cracking Chang

I’d have gone with Hanley over Panda at 3B.

I wouldn’t have wasted the money on Masterson, though.

Ben Markham
11 years ago

Both the projections see Masterson’s deal as a good value. $9.5/1 with the chance to get to $12 million with incentives is a great deal for a 2 win pitcher. And if he gets all the incentives he will probably be much closer to 3 than 2 WAR. Sure, he could completely suck too, that’s just part of the calculated risk involved in running a baseball team.

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago

By B-Ref, he’s been worth $3m in 2 of his 5 years as a full time starter.

There’s no way in hell he’s worth $9.5m on a 1 year deal.

Randall
11 years ago

Both ZiPS and Steamer project him for 2 wins, we’ll see what PECOTA says later this week. What exactly is the problem with a 9.5M one year contract for this pitcher?

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago

The projections can say what they want. It doesn’t change teh fact that he’s only been worth more than 1 RA9-WAR twice in his career as a starter.

Randall
11 years ago

And in each of the two years where he was above 1 RA9-WAR, he was one of the top 30 pitchers in the league. In 2014 he was an injured mess, and in 2010 and 12 his peripherals were just fine. Why would you not take him on for 1 year @ 9.5M? My problem with the deal is that the Sox have done a poor job of insulating him with low-risk bets, but on its own it’s a fine deal

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago

Oh, he’s fine as a low-risk bet. I’m just always super leery of his Jekyll and Hyde thing.

Although it is an odd year, so he should be fine!

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Dar

+4 on defense means he’s likely going to be a +4 corner outfielder, but that is still a slightly below average offensive player, based on positional adjustments.

It would be really helpful if they listed the player’s expected positional adjustment on the chart. It seems like every one of these articles has at least a few comments from people not sure how to interpret the defensive score, which makes sense given that the defensive score on a player’s page is including the positional adjustment.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

edit meant to say it makes him a slightly below average defensive player.

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago
Reply to  Dar

The Miley projection seems rather off to me, as he’s been exactly average since his rookie year.

If only
11 years ago

Ryan Dempster, making a comeback.

vickie
11 years ago

E Rod is left handed.

Anthony
11 years ago

Boston Red Sox Hitter Comps: YES!
Boston Red Sox Pitcher Comps: NOOOOOOOOOO

Erik
11 years ago

It was very intriguing to see betts comp was mccutchen…… I wrote a sample article to fangraphs two weeks ago because they were looking for a part time writer and in my article i wrote about betts and comped him to mccutchen. I hope this was just an ironic coincidence.

Dan Szymborski
11 years ago
Reply to  Erik

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dan-szymborski-fangraphs-chat-112414/

12:50
Comment From guest
Okay, who projects better, mookie or xander?
12:50
Dan Szymborski: Betts
12:51
Dan Szymborski: Mookie Betts top comp in ZiPS, BTW, is Andrew McCutchen. Obviously not his average outlook, of course, but I thought I’d mention it.

Odig
11 years ago

Somthing can be ironic or a coincidence. Can’t be both.

Marty Mannix
11 years ago

These projections show a team that should make the playoffs, but lack the power pitching to move beyond the second round of the playoffs.

Soxer in VT
11 years ago

Sox have luxury of depth in above average major leaguers in their position players. Have the pitching staff to match that requires some projection and good luck (in health). Fortunately, they have the assets to address the inevitable problem spots.

everdiso
11 years ago

the hitting projections look better than steamer’s, given that they actually show some players being worse than last year, but those SP projections seem way over the top.

their SP are projected for two career years (porcello, kelly) two huge bounceback years (masterson, miley), and one gu performing the same but with his era corrected to match his fip (so clay is also projected to be significantly better in reality)

that seems to me to be much more like a best case scenario than a likely one.

I’ll take the under there.

of course the WAR projections seem off from the other numbers. how does 187ip/3.82fip translate to 3.1war for miley? or 124ip of 4.33fip translate to 1.5war for kelly? those seem to be significant inflated war numbers for pedestrian performance. maybe in this case its better to lool at the actual numbers – the sox staff is projected to have about a league average era+, which makes much more sens than the near 15war they are projected to earn.

but seriously – how can a starting staff be projected for average era+, with fips to match, and also ne projected for near 15war? that seems way off to me.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

their SP, all aged between 26-30, are projected to be more than 50% more valuable than they were last year, even though only one of them had an anomalous year last year.

I doubt that is a 50th percentile projection.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

ok after doublechecking it does seem as if the top 6 SP arms are projected for almost exactly league average 100era+ over a full season of starts, with fips to match.

and they are projected for about 14war, or near 3war per SP slot.

is league average performance really worth 3war for an SP?

pft
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

League average is 2 WAR, but they use FIP WAR and not run based WAR.

pft
11 years ago

So basically the Red Sox rotation will have about a league average ERA+ and 3 hitter in the lineup with a 115 OPS+ or greater, led again by their 39 yo DH. Not all that impressive.