2015 ZiPS Projections – Milwaukee Brewers

After having typically appeared in the very hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have been released at FanGraphs the past couple years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Milwaukee Brewers. Szymborski can be found at ESPN and on Twitter at @DSzymborski.

Other Projections: Atlanta / Miami / Tampa Bay.

Batters
It’s not a matter of great urgency — but nonetheless a briefly compelling thought exercise — to attempt to identify who is the star of the Milwaukee Brewers, if pressed to choose just one. Ryan Braun has certainly been the club’s most talented player in the past. Jonathan Lucroy, meanwhile, produced one of the majors’ best seasons in 2014 and finished fourth overall in MVP voting. And Carlos Gomez, one finds, has recorded the most wins among the club’s field players by a non-negligible margin over the past three years. So far as present talent is concerned, ZiPS favors Lucroy among the three — although by less than half a win over Gomez, rendering it an effective tie.

As in recent years, there’s a divide between the club’s best and less-best starters — although it’s less pronounced than in the past. In 2014, for example, ZiPS projected only two players (Aramis Ramirez and Jean Segura) outside the aforementioned triumvirate to record a 1.5 WAR or better. This year, six players appear above that projection threshold.

Pitchers
The Brewers provisional rotation is populated by pitchers who, if different in terms of process, are expected to be quite similar in terms of product. The five starters in the depth-chart image below are projected to finish the 2015 season within a win of each other — and all within just half a win of a league-average 2.0 WAR. League average, then, is a thing they might likely be as a group.

Milwaukee appears likely — at this point, at least — to be in the mind of using Jonathan Broxton as the team’s closer in 2015, that large right-hander having been acquired by the club from Cincinnati at the end of August. Broxton is projected to record a 96 FIP- next year, which would represent the worst figure of his career among seasons in which he pitched 50-plus inning. That’s not surprising: Broxton recorded the lowest average fastball velocity (93.2 mph) of his career in 2014, and he’s a player for whom there’s been a strong correlation between arm speed and effectiveness, as the hastily made graph below indicates — which graph features Broxton’s average fastball velocity in seasons during which he’s pitched 50-plus innings and then the FIP- figures he’s recorded in those same seasons.

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Bench/Prospects
While they’re presented in the depth-chart image below in what would appear to be a fairly standard platoon — which would make sense given their respective handedness — there’s no indication that Gerardo Parra and Khris Davis will be used that way. Both are roughly major-league average regulars, according to ZiPS. Among prospects, the projections both for Tyrone Taylor (1.0 WAR in 599 PA) and Orlando Arcia (1.0 WAR in 554 PA) are encouraging relative to the ages (20 and 21, respectively, in 2015) of both those players.

Depth Chart
Below is a rough depth chart for the present incarnation of the Brewers, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player. For caveats regarding WAR values see disclaimer at bottom of post. Click to embiggen image.

Brewers Depth

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site and author’s own haphazard reasoning.

Batters, Counting Stats

Player B Age PO PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS
Jonathan Lucroy R 29 C 568 64 149 34 4 14 77 6 2
Carlos Gomez R 29 CF 572 87 143 28 6 22 72 32 9
Ryan Braun R 31 RF 630 88 163 32 4 27 103 17 6
Jean Segura R 25 SS 589 72 151 19 8 9 49 28 9
Scooter Gennett L 25 2B 581 67 155 29 4 11 59 8 5
Gerardo Parra L 28 RF 566 69 138 26 4 11 47 10 7
Khris Davis R 27 LF 481 65 109 28 2 21 69 5 2
Aramis Ramirez R 37 3B 425 44 108 19 1 14 61 2 0
Adam Lind L 31 1B 447 51 117 22 2 15 62 1 0
Jason Rogers R 27 3B 547 62 124 25 3 14 62 5 1
Tyrone Taylor R 21 CF 599 69 137 33 3 10 66 16 8
Yadiel Rivera R 23 SS 506 52 112 17 5 7 41 9 7
Orlando Arcia R 20 SS 554 62 127 24 4 7 51 20 12
Luis Jimenez R 27 3B 505 56 123 28 2 13 58 10 4
Martin Maldonado R 28 C 241 21 48 9 0 6 30 0 1
Juan Centeno L 25 C 316 31 76 10 2 1 24 2 1
Rickie Weeks R 32 2B 416 50 87 21 2 12 38 7 4
Mark Reynolds R 31 1B 479 61 93 16 0 25 69 3 2
Elian Herrera B 30 CF 410 47 96 16 5 3 31 12 4
Matt Clark L 28 1B 487 65 106 18 1 23 70 0 0
Kevin Mattison L 29 CF 388 44 71 14 5 8 36 15 8
Robinzon Diaz R 31 C 297 29 76 12 1 4 27 1 1
Taylor Green L 28 3B 302 28 67 16 0 6 30 1 1
Hector Gomez R 27 SS 389 38 82 17 4 9 41 5 4
Logan Schafer L 28 CF 397 41 83 19 5 4 38 9 4
Caleb Gindl L 26 RF 492 51 106 22 3 11 47 3 3
Hainley Statia B 29 3B 327 33 70 11 1 3 24 5 4
Nick Delmonico L 22 3B 269 29 58 11 1 8 29 4 3
Jeff Bianchi R 28 SS 321 30 71 11 1 3 31 6 3
Lyle Overbay L 38 1B 337 31 73 17 1 8 49 2 0
Sean Halton R 28 LF 474 50 107 25 2 10 54 2 1
Erik Komatsu L 27 LF 245 24 49 8 1 4 19 4 4
Eugenio Velez B 33 LF 431 46 102 19 3 7 42 19 9
Pete Orr L 36 2B 361 34 81 14 4 3 31 8 4
Irving Falu B 32 2B 434 40 101 13 3 3 30 11 8
Hunter Morris L 26 1B 510 58 118 26 3 17 63 2 1
Kentrail Davis L 27 RF 505 52 105 21 4 4 39 15 8
Lucas May R 30 C 159 14 31 7 1 2 14 1 0
Jeremy Hermida L 31 RF 414 48 84 17 1 12 46 1 2
Victor Roache R 23 LF 504 57 98 14 2 22 64 7 4
Hector Gimenez B 32 LF 265 27 54 13 1 7 32 0 0
Nick Ramirez L 25 1B 514 55 100 21 2 17 63 1 2

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Batters, Rates and Averages

Player PA BB% K% ISO BABIP BA OBP SLG wOBA
Jonathan Lucroy 568 8.3% 12.1% .164 .311 .290 .351 .454 .352
Carlos Gomez 572 6.1% 22.6% .205 .327 .277 .336 .482 .360
Ryan Braun 630 8.3% 18.7% .213 .319 .287 .352 .500 .367
Jean Segura 589 4.9% 13.4% .113 .309 .277 .318 .390 .309
Scooter Gennett 581 4.3% 15.3% .129 .323 .286 .318 .415 .315
Gerardo Parra 566 6.9% 17.5% .131 .312 .268 .323 .399 .310
Khris Davis 481 7.5% 24.1% .220 .294 .253 .320 .473 .348
Aramis Ramirez 425 5.4% 15.3% .162 .300 .278 .332 .440 .340
Adam Lind 447 9.2% 17.7% .177 .328 .291 .356 .468 .358
Jason Rogers 547 7.7% 21.8% .147 .298 .249 .309 .396 .313
Tyrone Taylor 599 5.0% 16.2% .125 .282 .247 .291 .372 .291
Yadiel Rivera 506 4.3% 23.1% .101 .298 .236 .276 .337 .269
Orlando Arcia 554 5.2% 15.2% .102 .279 .244 .286 .346 .280
Luis Jimenez 505 3.4% 16.6% .150 .286 .258 .287 .408 .302
Martin Maldonado 241 7.1% 25.7% .126 .284 .223 .294 .349 .282
Juan Centeno 316 5.1% 16.1% .059 .310 .261 .301 .320 .273
Rickie Weeks 416 10.1% 25.0% .168 .301 .239 .332 .407 .329
Mark Reynolds 479 11.7% 29.6% .218 .270 .224 .319 .442 .335
Elian Herrera 410 6.3% 22.0% .093 .327 .256 .308 .349 .292
Matt Clark 487 8.2% 29.0% .204 .299 .243 .310 .447 .330
Kevin Mattison 388 7.2% 34.8% .136 .299 .202 .267 .338 .268
Robinzon Diaz 297 3.0% 10.4% .091 .287 .267 .288 .358 .284
Taylor Green 302 6.6% 19.2% .123 .285 .243 .299 .366 .293
Hector Gomez 389 3.6% 24.9% .143 .281 .225 .260 .368 .271
Logan Schafer 397 7.3% 18.1% .115 .280 .233 .295 .348 .280
Caleb Gindl 492 8.3% 23.0% .137 .294 .238 .304 .375 .298
Hainley Statia 327 9.2% 15.9% .075 .280 .239 .311 .314 .280
Nick Delmonico 269 7.1% 28.6% .150 .307 .235 .294 .385 .301
Jeff Bianchi 321 5.3% 20.6% .074 .294 .238 .280 .312 .264
Lyle Overbay 337 8.6% 21.4% .141 .286 .239 .306 .380 .305
Sean Halton 474 6.1% 24.3% .135 .307 .245 .295 .380 .297
Erik Komatsu 245 8.6% 24.5% .100 .287 .224 .292 .324 .271
Eugenio Velez 431 6.5% 18.3% .116 .304 .257 .309 .373 .303
Pete Orr 361 3.3% 21.6% .090 .298 .237 .268 .327 .263
Irving Falu 434 5.3% 10.6% .070 .278 .253 .292 .323 .266
Hunter Morris 510 5.1% 23.7% .174 .294 .246 .288 .420 .310
Kentrail Davis 505 8.1% 27.5% .091 .323 .231 .301 .322 .279
Lucas May 159 3.8% 27.0% .101 .274 .208 .241 .309 .239
Jeremy Hermida 414 10.4% 28.3% .150 .300 .229 .312 .379 .309
Victor Roache 504 5.8% 38.3% .180 .299 .210 .262 .390 .287
Hector Gimenez 265 5.7% 27.2% .147 .278 .220 .265 .367 .278
Nick Ramirez 514 6.4% 41.4% .160 .333 .210 .263 .370 .275

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Batters, Assorted Other

Player PA RC/27 OPS+ Def zWAR No.1 Comp
Jonathan Lucroy 568 6.1 117 7 5.3 Thurman Munson
Carlos Gomez 572 6.3 119 8 4.9 Paul Blair
Ryan Braun 630 6.8 129 -2 3.5 Larry Hisle
Jean Segura 589 4.8 92 -1 2.3 Royce Clayton
Scooter Gennett 581 4.9 98 -1 1.9 Rennie Stennett
Gerardo Parra 566 4.7 95 11 1.9 Mike Kingery
Khris Davis 481 5.5 112 0 1.8 John Valle
Aramis Ramirez 425 5.5 108 -4 1.8 Mike Lowell
Adam Lind 447 6.4 122 -2 1.6 Dick Sisler
Jason Rogers 547 4.5 90 -4 1.2 Brian Barden
Tyrone Taylor 599 3.9 79 3 1.0 John Palica
Yadiel Rivera 506 3.2 66 8 1.0 Jason Bowers
Orlando Arcia 554 3.5 71 3 1.0 Angel Chavez
Luis Jimenez 505 4.3 86 -2 0.9 Cliff Pastornicky
Martin Maldonado 241 3.5 74 3 0.9 Ray Stephens
Juan Centeno 316 3.5 70 3 0.8 Orlando Sanchez
Rickie Weeks 416 4.8 100 -10 0.7 Gary Cooper
Mark Reynolds 479 4.9 105 -4 0.6 Ty Van Burkleo
Elian Herrera 410 4.0 79 0 0.6 Tony Scott
Matt Clark 487 5.0 103 -3 0.5 Ivan Cruz
Kevin Mattison 388 3.0 63 6 0.3 Kevin Koslofski
Robinzon Diaz 297 3.8 75 -3 0.3 Paul Phillips
Taylor Green 302 3.9 80 -2 0.2 Josh Klimek
Hector Gomez 389 3.3 69 0 0.2 Tripp Cromer
Logan Schafer 397 3.7 74 -1 0.2 Leo Garcia
Caleb Gindl 492 4.0 84 1 0.1 Craig Cooper
Hainley Statia 327 3.4 71 0 0.1 Todd Crosby
Nick Delmonico 269 3.9 83 -5 0.0 Jamie Taylor
Jeff Bianchi 321 3.1 61 0 -0.1 Steve Sisco
Lyle Overbay 337 4.2 85 -1 -0.2 Bob Brenly
Sean Halton 474 4.0 82 -2 -0.3 Scott Bryant
Erik Komatsu 245 3.1 68 2 -0.4 Enoch Simmons
Eugenio Velez 431 4.2 85 -5 -0.4 Jalal Leach
Pete Orr 361 3.1 61 0 -0.4 Craig Reynolds
Irving Falu 434 3.3 68 -2 -0.4 Edgar Caceres
Hunter Morris 510 4.3 90 -4 -0.4 Brant Colamarino
Kentrail Davis 505 3.4 70 3 -0.5 Shawn Jeter
Lucas May 159 2.6 48 -3 -0.6 Luis Rodriguez
Jeremy Hermida 414 4.1 87 -8 -0.6 Ryan McGuire
Victor Roache 504 3.5 74 -3 -0.8 Keith Kimsey
Hector Gimenez 265 3.4 70 -4 -0.9 George Mitterwald
Nick Ramirez 514 3.3 70 -1 -1.6 Tate Seefried

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Pitchers, Counting Stats

Player T Age G GS IP K BB HR H R ER
Yovani Gallardo R 29 30 30 180.3 151 59 21 175 85 79
Kyle Lohse R 36 26 26 163.3 114 35 22 162 76 71
Matt Garza R 31 24 24 141.3 118 42 16 132 64 60
Jimmy Nelson R 26 28 26 150.3 132 66 13 142 71 66
Wily Peralta R 26 31 31 177.3 140 71 20 176 89 83
Mike Fiers R 30 27 22 133.3 122 36 19 122 64 60
Will Smith L 25 73 0 73.7 87 29 8 64 31 29
Jonathan Broxton R 31 54 0 49.7 42 16 5 45 20 19
Tom Gorzelanny L 32 37 4 55.0 53 20 7 52 26 24
Francisco Rodriguez R 33 62 0 58.0 64 20 9 50 26 24
John Ely R 29 22 7 63.7 49 23 8 64 33 31
Jim Henderson R 32 44 0 43.7 53 19 5 37 19 18
Jeremy Jeffress R 27 53 0 62.3 58 31 5 58 29 27
Brandon Kintzler R 30 64 0 63.0 41 20 6 64 30 28
Tyler Thornburg R 26 45 0 50.7 48 26 5 46 25 23
Rob W00t3n R 29 61 0 65.3 49 21 6 66 32 30
Wei-Chung Wang L 23 18 8 44.7 33 12 8 49 27 25
Michael Blazek R 26 47 8 78.0 65 43 10 77 44 41
Taylor Jungmann R 25 26 25 135.0 96 71 17 140 81 76
Donovan Hand R 29 46 6 85.3 58 27 12 91 48 45
Taylor Williams R 23 21 13 91.3 78 33 17 95 56 52
Jose de la Torre R 29 38 0 54.3 52 31 7 51 30 28
Tim Dillard R 31 44 0 56.0 39 24 7 58 31 29
David Goforth R 26 55 0 64.0 45 34 6 65 35 33
Mike Strong L 26 27 5 68.0 66 40 11 66 42 39
Ariel Pena R 26 25 24 117.3 110 74 20 115 74 69
Brooks Hall R 25 15 13 61.3 35 33 10 69 42 39
Jay Jackson R 27 29 15 98.3 85 49 18 104 64 60
Billy Buckner R 31 21 19 95.0 59 46 17 107 65 61
Johnny Hellweg R 26 18 17 81.7 52 72 9 89 58 54
Ty Wagner R 24 25 24 127.0 94 64 25 138 87 81

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Pitchers, Rates and Averages

Player IP TBF K% BB% BABIP ERA FIP ERA- FIP-
Yovani Gallardo 180.3 775 19.5% 7.6% .285 3.94 3.92 102 101
Kyle Lohse 163.3 687 16.6% 5.1% .274 3.91 4.17 101 108
Matt Garza 141.3 598 19.7% 7.0% .278 3.82 3.82 99 99
Jimmy Nelson 150.3 659 20.0% 10.0% .295 3.95 3.98 102 103
Wily Peralta 177.3 779 18.0% 9.1% .288 4.21 4.27 109 111
Mike Fiers 133.3 558 21.9% 6.5% .273 4.05 4.00 105 104
Will Smith 73.7 314 27.7% 9.2% .299 3.54 3.27 92 85
Jonathan Broxton 49.7 210 20.0% 7.6% .276 3.44 3.72 89 96
Tom Gorzelanny 55.0 237 22.4% 8.4% .290 3.93 4.01 102 104
Francisco Rodriguez 58.0 244 26.2% 8.2% .273 3.72 3.87 96 100
John Ely 63.7 278 17.6% 8.3% .289 4.38 4.40 113 114
Jim Henderson 43.7 187 28.3% 10.2% .293 3.71 3.45 96 89
Jeremy Jeffress 62.3 276 21.0% 11.2% .296 3.90 3.80 101 98
Brandon Kintzler 63.0 273 15.0% 7.3% .283 4.00 3.87 104 100
Tyler Thornburg 50.7 224 21.4% 11.6% .287 4.09 4.07 106 105
Rob W00t3n 65.3 283 17.3% 7.4% .294 4.13 3.78 107 98
Wei-Chung Wang 44.7 195 16.9% 6.2% .293 5.04 4.80 130 124
Michael Blazek 78.0 354 18.4% 12.1% .290 4.73 4.89 122 127
Taylor Jungmann 135.0 616 15.6% 11.5% .291 5.07 5.07 131 131
Donovan Hand 85.3 374 15.5% 7.2% .291 4.75 4.60 123 119
Taylor Williams 91.3 402 19.4% 8.2% .290 5.12 5.04 133 131
Jose de la Torre 54.3 245 21.2% 12.7% .292 4.64 4.72 120 122
Tim Dillard 56.0 250 15.6% 9.6% .288 4.66 4.71 121 122
David Goforth 64.0 291 15.5% 11.7% .292 4.64 4.58 120 119
Mike Strong 68.0 310 21.3% 12.9% .291 5.16 5.14 134 133
Ariel Pena 117.3 541 20.3% 13.7% .289 5.29 5.52 137 143
Brooks Hall 61.3 286 12.2% 11.5% .289 5.72 5.87 148 152
Jay Jackson 98.3 448 19.0% 10.9% .297 5.49 5.35 142 138
Billy Buckner 95.0 438 13.5% 10.5% .290 5.78 5.77 150 150
Johnny Hellweg 81.7 406 12.8% 17.7% .301 5.95 6.14 154 159
Ty Wagner 127.0 583 16.1% 11.0% .288 5.74 5.86 149 152

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Pitchers, Assorted Other

Player IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA+ zWAR No. 1 Comp
Yovani Gallardo 180.3 7.54 2.95 1.05 98 2.4 Scott Kamieniecki
Kyle Lohse 163.3 6.28 1.93 1.21 99 2.2 Jay Witasick
Matt Garza 141.3 7.52 2.68 1.02 101 2.1 Cal Eldred
Jimmy Nelson 150.3 7.90 3.95 0.78 98 1.9 Brett Laxton
Wily Peralta 177.3 7.11 3.60 1.02 92 1.7 Mike Dunne
Mike Fiers 133.3 8.24 2.43 1.28 96 1.5 Hideki Irabu
Will Smith 73.7 10.62 3.54 0.98 109 0.5 Dennys Reyes
Jonathan Broxton 49.7 7.61 2.90 0.91 113 0.4 Mark Wohlers
Tom Gorzelanny 55.0 8.67 3.27 1.15 99 0.4 Ray Searage
Francisco Rodriguez 58.0 9.93 3.10 1.40 104 0.3 Rich DeLucia
John Ely 63.7 6.92 3.25 1.13 88 0.3 Jeff Bennett
Jim Henderson 43.7 10.92 3.91 1.03 104 0.2 Rich Croushore
Jeremy Jeffress 62.3 8.38 4.48 0.72 99 0.2 Mike Schultz
Brandon Kintzler 63.0 5.86 2.86 0.86 97 0.1 Jason Karnuth
Tyler Thornburg 50.7 8.52 4.62 0.89 95 0.0 Bob Gibson
Rob W00t3n 65.3 6.75 2.89 0.83 94 0.0 Jason Karnuth
Wei-Chung Wang 44.7 6.64 2.42 1.61 77 -0.1 Roberto Rivera
Michael Blazek 78.0 7.50 4.96 1.15 82 -0.2 Jake Robbins
Taylor Jungmann 135.0 6.40 4.73 1.13 76 -0.2 Brett Laxton
Donovan Hand 85.3 6.12 2.85 1.27 82 -0.3 Dale Mohorcic
Taylor Williams 91.3 7.69 3.25 1.68 76 -0.3 Oswaldo Peraza
Jose de la Torre 54.3 8.62 5.14 1.16 84 -0.4 Doug Robertson
Tim Dillard 56.0 6.27 3.86 1.13 83 -0.4 Jarod Juelsgaard
David Goforth 64.0 6.33 4.78 0.84 83 -0.4 Heathcliff Slocumb
Mike Strong 68.0 8.74 5.29 1.46 75 -0.5 Mike Bumatay
Ariel Pena 117.3 8.44 5.68 1.53 73 -0.5 Reggie Harris
Brooks Hall 61.3 5.14 4.85 1.47 68 -0.6 Steve Gay
Jay Jackson 98.3 7.78 4.49 1.65 71 -0.8 Eddie Candelario
Billy Buckner 95.0 5.59 4.36 1.61 67 -1.0 Ryan Jensen
Johnny Hellweg 81.7 5.73 7.93 0.99 65 -1.1 Rob Purvis
Ty Wagner 127.0 6.66 4.54 1.77 67 -1.3 Stacy Hollins

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Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2014. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 3.93 ERA and the NL having a 3.75 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.





Carson Cistulli has published a book of aphorisms called Spirited Ejaculations of a New Enthusiast.

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KB
11 years ago

The word “average” is used quite a bit, which seems appropriate… and depressing as a Brewers fan. I’d much prefer they either be a) great or b) building for greatness. I don’t see signs of either. I don’t think Brewers brass trusts the fanbase enough to go through the necessary rebuild.

Steven
11 years ago
Reply to  KB

You don’t need to be great anymore to win a pennant. Just be good enough to possibly get to the playoffs. Just ask the Royals.

KB
11 years ago
Reply to  Steven

You don’t need to be great, but I’d still rather be despite the Royals magical run in ’14. I’d rather build for a sustained run at success rather than mediocrity in the hopes that once every 3-5 years the team sneaks into the playoffs and gets hot at the right time.

KB
11 years ago
Reply to  KB

And, while the Royals overall weren’t a great team in ’14, they were great in a few areas (contact, base running, defense, bullpen) which is what carried them through their playoff run. The Brewers are a pretty good power hitting team, but I wouldn’t say great. I wouldn’t say any aspect of the Brewers current roster is great outside of Gomez/Lucroy.

It’s my assumption the Brewers are modeling themselves more after the ’14 Orioles rather than the ’14 Royals. The difference is that the AL East in ’14 was much worse than the NL Central will be in ’15.

Scott Marcus
11 years ago
Reply to  Steven

If the choice it to be average everywhere, or more like the Royals and excel in a few areas, I can say as a fan, the latter is a whole lot more fun to watch!

Caveat: I didn’t watch the Royals much during the regular season, so I’m judging based on their postseason games.

KB
11 years ago
Reply to  Scott Marcus

Agreed. Excellence is always more entertaining.

Jason B
11 years ago

Those starters – lotsa different approaches and career paths to all arrive at the same 2 WAR projection. (That Hideki Irabu comp is disconcerting though!)

Mike D
11 years ago

Scooter Gennett: meet Rennie Stennett.
Rennie Stennett: meet Scooter Gennett.

Denny Gwinnett
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike D

I was told we were meeting today?

Mike Green
11 years ago

Scooter Gennett…Rennie Stennett

Perfect.

Mike Green
11 years ago

I know for a fact that Mike D’s last name is not Dineen. Coke to him anyways!

Mike D
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike Green

You are correct, sir.

Ryan BrockMember since 2025
11 years ago

So Fiers or Nelson? It can’t be both, ZiPS!

Ryan BrockMember since 2025
11 years ago

Typed “W00t3n” into search function – actually got back results for various Wootens.

I ain’t even mad.

stonepie
11 years ago

i wish i shared zips optimism for segura

SecondHandStore
11 years ago

I think it’s worth noting that ZiPS doesn’t think a single member of the likely opening day 25 man roster has a negative value. The team might not have enough flashy high ceiling players for some people, but not having any negatives is a pretty big deal.

SecondHandStore
11 years ago

For reference the Brewers had -2.0 WAR from their batters (not including pitchers) and -2.3 WAR from their pitchers.

Jason B
11 years ago

What?! The Brewers had a negative WAR from both pitchers and batters last year!? I am…not convinced?

SecondHandStore
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Perhaps I worded that awkwardly. I didn’t mean their total offensive contributions were a negative or that their total pitching contributions were a negative. I meant some players had a negative value. Those players added up to those numbers.

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Ah! Gotcha. I was thinking they REALLY had some dogs to more than offset the positive contributions from Lucroy, Gomez, etc. (Not to mention how did they get to like 75 -80 wins?!) That makes more sense.

BobbyS
11 years ago

You keep forgetting the links back to earlier teams! Or am I the only one who really likes those?

Scott Marcus
11 years ago

I’d like to see a side-by-side comparison of the 2014 ZIPS projection compared with how the actual players fared. And if the players moved around a lot or were injured or whatever, maybe a comparison by position for predicted vs. actual.

(Didn’t mean to click the thumbs down icon, sorry for that Carson).

Dan Szymborski
11 years ago

Just a heads-up, you can instantly get to any of them in your browser with bit.ly/15ZiPSteamnickname

Graham
11 years ago

Rob W00t3n? Nice

Andrew
11 years ago

Another Royce Clayton comp. Jean Segura = Adeiny Hechavarria.

Steven
11 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

I have a working theory that every MLB short stop is actually Royce Clayton.

Brewtality
11 years ago

The Brewers pitching staff might be pretty good if Thornburg pitches like Bob Gibson.

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Brewtality

Most teams would probably have a decent staff if __(insert scrub player here)___ pitched like Bob Gibson.

(The HOF starter, not the scrubby reliever, that is.)

KB
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Bob Gibson is the #1 Comp. for Thornburg according to the spreadsheet above.

CJ
11 years ago
Reply to  KB

Unfortunately, I think the comp is to the sub-replacement level reliever from the 80s, not the future Hall of Famer.

Psy Jung
11 years ago

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Big Wig
11 years ago

I reckon if any team was looking to grab a front line starter with a few years of control, these very Brewers would be atop the list (in a way not unlike when they traded for Greinke). I don’t know for whom they would be trading, and I won’t suspect too many names as to not be ridiculous (Straaas!), but it seems like this team has a solid window of opportunity in the next few years. I don’t quite think the likes of Orlando Arcia, Tyrone Taylor, Devin Williams, and Clint Coulter fit into that window, and a solid 4 or 5 win starter to push Fiers and Nelson into 6th and 7th starter roles could prove to create a nifty rotation to go along with their solid lineup.

SecondHandStore
11 years ago
Reply to  Big Wig

Kyle Lohse, Yovani Gallardo, Aramis Ramirez, and Gerardo Parra are free agents after 2015. Jonathan Broxton and Adam Lind have team options for 2016, but could also end up in free agency.

It’s hard to say what the team will look like entering next offseason, but that’s a lot of talent and significant roles to make up for. I think it’s way more likely the Brewers stick with what they have in an attempt to compete in 2015 and then start retooling for another run starting as early as 2017 but more likely 2018.

As such I think it’s exceedingly unlikely they trade any of their top prospects. Rumor was they refused to include Jimmy Nelson in a mid-season trade for David Price and balked at the asking price for Justin Morneau. If they were unwilling to make a big trade when they were on the cusp of the playoffs, I don’t think they’ll make one now.

Big Wig
11 years ago

Firstly, I don’t think Broxton, Lind, or Parra will be a tremendous loss, especially when looking at how easily they were acquired. True points on the other three.

I’m not saying they should move Nelson. Nelson, Peralta, Garza, and the anonymous guy I’m saying they magically find and acquire would be the rotation going forward along with, like, Jungmann, or someone. The money from the guys mentioned above that they are losing to free agency would total something in excess of $60MM.

Price was too close to free agency. I’m envisioning something closer to the Gio Gonzalez, Mat Latos-type trades where they would get 3+ years of control. Then, as they did with Greinke, they could flip said acquisition later on (Segura!).

Anywhom, I just wish they would push themselves a little bit. Seems like they are perpetually interesting, but never quite there. If all goes downhill in a few years, they have plenty of trade-able assets to pull what Beane is currently doing. I don’t think I’m properly explaining my perception of this team, so maw bad.

SecondHandStore
11 years ago
Reply to  Big Wig

All the evidence post Greinke/Marcum deals says the Brewers are done trading away top prospects for quick fixes. I don’t think that changes any time soon.

Big Wig
11 years ago
Reply to  Big Wig

That’s fine, but I’m saying what I would consider exploring if I had such power. And to be honest I don’t even know how you can say that they aren’t going to trade top prospects from here on out based on one that happened like 3 years ago. Next week’s Powerball numbers, please!

Big Wig
11 years ago
Reply to  Big Wig

Now do it NOWWW I say! Let the Big Wig become the Big Prophet!