2015 ZiPS Projections – San Francisco Giants

After having typically appeared in the very hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have been released at FanGraphs the past couple years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the San Francisco Giants. Szymborski can be found at ESPN and on Twitter at @DSzymborski.

Other Projections: Atlanta / Chicago AL / Colorado / Los Angeles AL / Miami / Milwaukee / Oakland / Tampa Bay / Washington.

Batters
With regard to their field players, San Francisco doesn’t currently feature so much a stars-and-scrubs sort of configuration as they do a Buster-Posey-surrounded-by-roughly-average-players one. Posey is projected by ZiPS not only to record the highest wOBA among Giants hitters by over 20 points but also to play slightly above-average defense at a position that receives the largest positive adjustment in the calculation of WAR.

Of some note, perhaps, is ZiPS’ seeming pessimism regarding Hunter Pence. After averaging five wins per season over the last two years, Pence is forecast to produce only half that figure in 2015. In fact, there’s probably less decline projected for ZiPS than one might think at first glance. Pence, for example, has recorded nearly 1.5 wins due to baserunning alone over the last two years after having posted mostly just average seasons by that measure before that. Even just applying regression here accounts for some of Pence’s seeming decline.

Pitchers
The San Francisco Giants won the 2014 World Series and they did it (ultimately) with a rotation featuring Madison Bumgarner, Tim Hudson, Matt Cain, Ryan Vogelsong, and Tim Lincecum — plus some combination of Jake Peavy and Yusmeiro Petit. That’s different, however, than suggesting that Bumgarner, Hudson, et al., are necessarily a championship-level rotation. Giants starters accounted for the third-lowest collective WAR among the majors’ 30 clubs in 2014, nor does ZiPS’ 2015 forecast call for much improvement in this regard.

One pitcher of note for 2015 — in particular for how projections might or might not be able to account for his unusual career and lack of arm speed — is right-hander Yusmeiro Petit. He recorded the second-highest WAR among all Giants pitchers in 2014 but also produced an ERA about a run worse than his FIP (a disparity he’s exhibited through his career). ZiPS regards that gap between his ERA and FIP as a real thing, thus rendering Petit’s projection less encouraging than it might otherwise be based on fielding-independent numbers alone.

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Bench/Prospects
Neglected in the discussion of San Francisco’s batting core above but also the recipient of an encouraging projection is catcher Andrew Susac. His competence will allow Bruce Bochy to deploy Posey at first base for purposes of rest and against left-handed pitchers. Should recent acquisition Casey McGehee implode entirely, both Matt Duffy and Adam Duvall would appear to be potentially useful alternatives at third base. Among pitchers, right-hander Clayton Blackburn appears to be the most qualified among the Giants’ minor-league pitchers to prevent runs in the majors.

Depth Chart
Below is a rough depth chart for the present incarnation of the Giants, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player. For caveats regarding WAR values see disclaimer at bottom of post. Click to embiggen image.

Giants Depth

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site and author’s own haphazard reasoning.

Batters, Counting Stats

Player B Age PO PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS
Buster Posey R 28 C 597 72 159 31 2 19 87 2 1
Hunter Pence R 32 RF 674 94 164 30 6 19 85 11 4
Brandon Crawford L 28 SS 532 56 115 22 6 9 60 3 3
Brandon Belt L 27 1B 428 56 98 22 2 14 51 7 3
Andrew Susac R 25 C 393 46 80 15 1 7 37 1 1
Angel Pagan B 33 CF 472 66 121 23 5 5 39 16 7
Joe Panik L 24 2B 642 75 155 25 5 4 55 5 3
Casey McGehee R 32 3B 543 49 126 25 1 7 61 2 2
Matt Duffy R 24 SS 494 54 111 20 3 4 48 15 5
Gregor Blanco L 31 CF 443 53 96 16 5 4 37 16 6
Adam Duvall R 26 3B 508 59 106 21 3 15 58 3 1
Brandon Hicks R 29 2B 410 46 72 17 2 11 40 4 2
Tony Abreu B 30 2B 375 39 87 20 3 5 36 3 2
Carlos Triunfel R 25 SS 478 49 110 21 3 5 43 4 3
Hector Sanchez B 25 C 268 21 59 12 0 5 41 0 1
Ehire Adrianza B 25 2B 362 37 71 15 3 2 24 8 4
Joaquin Arias R 30 3B 280 26 68 11 2 2 26 3 1
Daniel Carbonell R 24 CF 166 17 39 7 2 2 15 6 2
Dan Uggla R 35 2B 387 44 66 11 1 10 42 1 1
Marco Scutaro R 39 2B 217 25 52 8 1 1 12 1 0
Blake Miller R 25 2B 395 38 82 16 3 3 34 4 1
Adalberto Santos R 27 2B 295 30 61 12 2 2 24 10 5
Justin Maxwell R 31 RF 302 35 58 12 2 7 30 5 3
Jarrett Parker L 26 RF 519 57 94 17 5 10 48 12 7
Gary Brown R 26 CF 618 71 131 25 5 7 50 25 15
Tyler Horan L 24 RF 452 50 94 20 4 12 47 9 5
Mac Williamson R 24 RF 289 35 61 12 0 5 27 5 1
Travis Ishikawa L 31 LF 326 31 67 14 1 6 35 0 0
Juan Ciriaco R 31 LF 186 19 40 6 1 3 17 7 1
Guillermo Quiroz R 33 C 244 23 49 11 1 3 21 0 0
Skyler Stromsmoe B 31 2B 304 32 56 10 2 1 18 6 6
Mark Minicozzi R 32 1B 418 48 86 17 0 7 37 1 1
Kelby Tomlinson R 25 2B 457 46 88 10 4 2 31 22 8
Juan Perez R 28 RF 442 50 99 23 3 6 38 11 6
Tyler Colvin L 29 LF 373 37 74 16 6 7 39 4 1
Darren Ford R 29 LF 325 34 67 9 2 3 23 21 10
Tyler LaTorre L 32 C 159 14 28 5 0 1 10 1 0
Brett Jackson L 26 RF 407 42 71 12 5 8 36 11 7
Brian Ragira R 23 1B 435 43 87 17 1 8 42 2 2
Chris Dominguez R 28 RF 508 49 107 20 2 10 50 9 5
Angel Villalona R 24 1B 479 45 90 20 3 9 45 1 1

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Batters, Rates and Averages

Player PA BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA
Buster Posey 597 9.2% 12.7% .173 .317 .301 .367 .474 .363
Hunter Pence 674 7.1% 18.5% .161 .303 .265 .320 .426 .327
Brandon Crawford 532 8.6% 20.9% .129 .294 .242 .309 .371 .292
Brandon Belt 428 10.3% 25.0% .180 .324 .259 .341 .439 .340
Andrew Susac 393 9.7% 29.3% .109 .320 .229 .311 .338 .294
Angel Pagan 472 6.6% 12.3% .110 .309 .278 .325 .388 .314
Joe Panik 642 6.7% 11.8% .080 .295 .264 .316 .344 .293
Casey McGehee 543 8.8% 18.8% .099 .309 .258 .322 .357 .301
Matt Duffy 494 7.3% 18.6% .085 .301 .248 .307 .333 .288
Gregor Blanco 443 9.9% 19.4% .098 .305 .246 .324 .344 .298
Adam Duvall 508 6.1% 23.6% .154 .272 .226 .282 .380 .294
Brandon Hicks 410 8.8% 34.9% .147 .285 .196 .275 .343 .276
Tony Abreu 375 3.2% 17.1% .117 .285 .246 .278 .363 .280
Carlos Triunfel 478 3.1% 18.4% .094 .292 .245 .278 .339 .270
Hector Sanchez 268 4.9% 23.9% .108 .293 .237 .276 .345 .272
Ehire Adrianza 362 7.5% 21.5% .083 .282 .220 .285 .303 .260
Joaquin Arias 280 2.9% 12.9% .079 .287 .257 .281 .336 .267
Daniel Carbonell 166 4.8% 22.3% .109 .316 .250 .295 .359 .295
Dan Uggla 387 12.7% 27.9% .130 .262 .200 .313 .330 .292
Marco Scutaro 217 7.8% 8.8% .067 .291 .268 .329 .335 .296
Blake Miller 395 5.1% 25.1% .085 .297 .225 .274 .310 .263
Adalberto Santos 295 8.8% 21.4% .083 .295 .231 .304 .314 .277
Justin Maxwell 302 7.6% 31.8% .136 .297 .212 .281 .348 .282
Jarrett Parker 519 8.7% 37.6% .123 .324 .203 .286 .326 .276
Gary Brown 618 4.9% 21.7% .098 .288 .231 .282 .329 .271
Tyler Horan 452 6.0% 29.0% .153 .295 .224 .277 .377 .288
Mac Williamson 289 6.6% 26.0% .103 .304 .233 .298 .336 .288
Travis Ishikawa 326 7.7% 26.1% .116 .299 .229 .298 .345 .285
Juan Ciriaco 186 5.4% 16.7% .099 .266 .234 .277 .333 .275
Guillermo Quiroz 244 4.9% 24.6% .097 .277 .216 .259 .313 .255
Skyler Stromsmoe 304 9.2% 20.4% .063 .268 .211 .296 .274 .256
Mark Minicozzi 418 8.6% 28.7% .102 .315 .229 .301 .331 .284
Kelby Tomlinson 457 7.0% 24.1% .058 .281 .212 .272 .270 .248
Juan Perez 442 3.8% 21.3% .113 .292 .238 .273 .351 .275
Tyler Colvin 373 5.9% 28.4% .141 .285 .214 .263 .355 .273
Darren Ford 325 6.2% 23.7% .074 .290 .224 .276 .298 .259
Tyler LaTorre 159 8.2% 28.3% .056 .276 .196 .266 .252 .239
Brett Jackson 407 9.1% 39.6% .126 .321 .195 .276 .321 .268
Brian Ragira 435 5.5% 30.3% .107 .296 .215 .264 .322 .261
Chris Dominguez 508 3.1% 30.1% .111 .298 .221 .250 .332 .258
Angel Villalona 479 4.0% 31.1% .118 .276 .200 .244 .318 .250

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Batters, Assorted Other

Player PA RC/27 OPS+ Def zWAR No.1 Comp
Buster Posey 597 6.7 141 2 6.4 Spud Davis
Hunter Pence 674 5.1 113 -1 2.5 Gary Ward
Brandon Crawford 532 4.0 95 4 2.4 Stephen Drew
Brandon Belt 428 5.5 123 1 1.9 Roger Repoz
Andrew Susac 393 3.7 88 1 1.9 Maximiliano Ramirez
Angel Pagan 472 4.8 105 -3 1.8 Jim Piersall
Joe Panik 642 4.0 90 0 1.8 Martin Prado
Casey McGehee 543 4.1 96 -1 1.7 Brook Jacoby
Matt Duffy 494 3.8 85 0 1.6 Mike Sharperson
Gregor Blanco 443 4.1 93 -4 1.1 Greg Tubbs
Adam Duvall 508 3.8 89 -2 1.1 Corey Erickson
Brandon Hicks 410 3.2 77 3 0.8 Trace Coquillette
Tony Abreu 375 3.6 83 2 0.8 Fred Manrique
Carlos Triunfel 478 3.3 77 -1 0.7 Luis Garcia
Hector Sanchez 268 3.3 78 -1 0.6 Gilberto Reyes
Ehire Adrianza 362 3.0 70 4 0.5 Manuel Francois
Joaquin Arias 280 3.5 77 3 0.5 Francisco Matos
Daniel Carbonell 166 4.0 88 0 0.5 Ramon Cedeno
Dan Uggla 387 3.5 86 -5 0.4 Rico Petrocelli
Marco Scutaro 217 4.1 92 -3 0.4 Mark Loretta
Blake Miller 395 3.0 68 3 0.3 Juan Delgado
Adalberto Santos 295 3.4 79 -1 0.3 David Bacani
Justin Maxwell 302 3.3 80 3 0.3 Doug Frobel
Jarrett Parker 519 3.1 76 5 0.2 Brad Snyder
Gary Brown 618 3.2 76 -3 0.2 Mike Asche
Tyler Horan 452 3.6 86 0 0.2 Brandon Allen
Mac Williamson 289 3.6 83 -1 0.1 Wil Culmer
Travis Ishikawa 326 3.6 85 -2 -0.1 Orsino Hill
Juan Ciriaco 186 3.6 75 -1 -0.2 Manny Martinez
Guillermo Quiroz 244 2.8 64 -4 -0.2 George Mitterwald
Skyler Stromsmoe 304 2.5 66 -1 -0.2 Doug Baker
Mark Minicozzi 418 3.5 82 0 -0.4 Chris Saunders
Kelby Tomlinson 457 2.7 57 1 -0.4 Emmanuel Garcia
Juan Perez 442 3.4 79 -1 -0.4 Kerry Valrie
Tyler Colvin 373 3.3 77 -1 -0.4 Rob Lukachyk
Darren Ford 325 2.9 66 2 -0.5 Billy Hall
Tyler LaTorre 159 2.3 51 -6 -0.6 Chad Moeller
Brett Jackson 407 2.9 72 -1 -0.6 Chris Dickerson
Brian Ragira 435 2.9 68 -1 -1.3 Leo Daigle
Chris Dominguez 508 2.9 66 -5 -1.7 Travis Wilson
Angel Villalona 479 2.6 61 -2 -2.0 Jonas Hamlin

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Pitchers, Counting Stats

Player T Age G GS IP K BB HR H R ER
Madison Bumgarner L 25 32 32 210.0 202 48 18 176 71 66
Jake Peavy R 34 26 26 163.7 130 42 15 151 65 61
Tim Hudson R 39 24 24 151.3 106 36 12 151 66 62
Matt Cain R 30 22 22 135.3 114 40 16 121 59 55
Clayton Blackburn R 22 22 22 116.3 96 31 10 111 49 46
Chris Heston R 27 24 23 138.3 99 48 11 133 62 58
Yusmeiro Petit R 30 30 18 125.7 112 29 14 120 56 52
Ryan Vogelsong R 37 24 24 139.0 103 46 14 138 67 63
Sergio Romo R 32 62 0 53.7 55 12 5 45 18 17
George Kontos R 30 59 0 74.7 69 22 6 66 28 26
Ty Blach L 24 23 23 131.3 83 43 11 135 64 60
Mike Kickham L 26 29 25 141.7 113 64 11 139 70 65
Kyle Crick R 22 21 20 82.0 92 62 7 69 40 37
Santiago Casilla R 34 56 0 51.7 42 18 4 45 19 18
Hunter Strickland R 26 49 0 46.7 45 11 4 42 17 16
Derek Law R 24 37 0 43.3 45 17 3 36 16 15
Tim Lincecum R 31 30 27 163.0 149 66 19 156 82 77
Jean Machi R 33 65 0 62.7 49 18 5 56 25 23
Jeremy Affeldt L 36 52 0 47.3 36 16 2 43 18 17
Ray Black R 25 39 0 34.0 43 17 2 25 13 12
Cody Hall R 27 49 0 53.0 52 19 4 47 21 20
Austin Fleet R 28 32 13 104.3 73 42 9 104 51 48
Jake Dunning R 26 48 2 70.0 50 26 5 67 31 29
Erik Cordier R 29 50 0 55.3 60 33 4 46 24 22
Joan Gregorio R 23 18 16 83.0 67 42 8 80 43 40
Javier Lopez L 37 60 0 33.0 26 13 2 30 14 13
Dontrelle Willis L 33 3 1 7.7 4 4 1 8 4 4
Brett Bochy R 27 44 0 57.3 51 24 6 52 26 24
Adalberto Mejia L 22 20 20 100.0 72 35 12 103 54 50
Sandy Rosario R 29 37 0 40.7 31 16 4 40 19 18
Shane Loux R 35 15 3 27.3 13 10 2 29 15 14
J.C. Gutierrez R 31 48 0 50.3 37 15 5 49 24 22
Steven Okert L 23 53 0 65.0 61 29 6 60 30 28
Phil McCormick L 26 56 0 61.0 51 31 4 57 29 27
Andrew Carignan R 28 27 0 34.3 32 26 3 31 18 17
Mike Broadway R 28 21   26.7 21 11 4 27 15 14
Dan Runzler L 30 42   45.0 41 33 4 41 25 23
Adam Reifer R 29 42   54.7 46 34 6 52 30 28
Chris Stratton R 24 23 22 117.3 86 60 14 122 68 64
Nik Turley L 25 20 19 96.7 69 58 11 97 58 54
Jason Berken R 31 24 22 129.0 68 50 14 144 75 70
Mitchell Boggs R 31 52   62.7 34 31 6 66 35 33

***

Pitchers, Rates and Averages

Player IP TBF K% BB% BABIP ERA FIP ERA- FIP-
Madison Bumgarner 210.0 854 23.7% 5.6% .273 2.83 2.95 81 85
Jake Peavy 163.7 684 19.0% 6.1% .277 3.35 3.53 96 101
Tim Hudson 151.3 641 16.5% 5.6% .288 3.69 3.43 106 98
Matt Cain 135.3 567 20.1% 7.1% .267 3.66 3.85 105 110
Clayton Blackburn 116.3 491 19.6% 6.3% .290 3.56 3.48 102 100
Chris Heston 138.3 596 16.6% 8.1% .283 3.77 3.84 108 110
Yusmeiro Petit 125.7 526 21.3% 5.5% .289 3.72 3.47 107 99
Ryan Vogelsong 139.0 601 17.1% 7.7% .288 4.08 3.97 117 114
Sergio Romo 53.7 218 25.2% 5.5% .280 2.85 2.95 82 85
George Kontos 74.7 312 22.1% 7.0% .282 3.13 3.14 90 90
Ty Blach 131.3 572 14.5% 7.5% .290 4.11 3.96 118 114
Mike Kickham 141.7 628 18.0% 10.2% .296 4.13 3.96 118 114
Kyle Crick 82.0 377 24.4% 16.4% .294 4.06 4.38 116 126
Santiago Casilla 51.7 218 19.3% 8.3% .270 3.14 3.43 90 98
Hunter Strickland 46.7 193 23.3% 5.7% .290 3.09 3.08 89 88
Derek Law 43.3 183 24.6% 9.3% .285 3.12 3.13 89 90
Tim Lincecum 163.0 711 21.0% 9.3% .290 4.25 4.00 122 115
Jean Machi 62.7 262 18.7% 6.9% .271 3.30 3.40 95 97
Jeremy Affeldt 47.3 201 17.9% 8.0% .285 3.23 3.17 93 91
Ray Black 34.0 144 29.9% 11.8% .288 3.18 2.97 91 85
Cody Hall 53.0 225 23.1% 8.4% .293 3.40 3.27 97 94
Austin Fleet 104.3 459 15.9% 9.2% .289 4.14 4.17 119 119
Jake Dunning 70.0 303 16.5% 8.6% .284 3.73 3.76 107 108
Erik Cordier 55.3 245 24.5% 13.5% .294 3.58 3.84 103 110
Joan Gregorio 83.0 371 18.1% 11.3% .289 4.34 4.36 124 125
Javier Lopez 33.0 142 18.3% 9.2% .280 3.55 3.18 102 91
Dontrelle Willis 7.7 35 11.4% 11.4% .268 4.70 5.27 135 151
Brett Bochy 57.3 248 20.6% 9.7% .281 3.77 3.95 108 113
Adalberto Mejia 100.0 438 16.4% 8.0% .291 4.50 4.41 129 127
Sandy Rosario 40.7 178 17.4% 9.0% .285 3.98 3.92 114 112
Shane Loux 27.3 121 10.8% 8.3% .285 4.61 4.27 132 122
J.C. Gutierrez 50.3 215 17.2% 7.0% .280 3.93 3.72 113 107
Steven Okert 65.0 284 21.5% 10.2% .293 3.88 3.82 111 109
Phil McCormick 61.0 271 18.8% 11.4% .293 3.98 3.91 114 112
Andrew Carignan 34.3 160 20.0% 16.3% .289 4.46 4.78 128 137
Mike Broadway 26.7 118 17.8% 9.3% .284 4.72 4.79 135 137
Dan Runzler 45.0 209 19.6% 15.8% .289 4.60 4.60 132 132
Adam Reifer 54.7 250 18.4% 13.6% .286 4.61 4.78 132 137
Chris Stratton 117.3 534 16.1% 11.2% .295 4.91 4.89 141 140
Nik Turley 96.7 445 15.5% 13.0% .285 5.03 5.07 144 145
Jason Berken 129.0 581 11.7% 8.6% .295 4.88 4.74 140 136
Mitchell Boggs 62.7 285 11.9% 10.9% .286 4.74 4.75 136 136

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Pitchers, Assorted Other

Player IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA+ zWAR No. 1 Comp
Madison Bumgarner 210.0 8.66 2.06 0.77 122 4.3 Eric Milton
Jake Peavy 163.7 7.15 2.31 0.82 103 2.2 Kevin Tapani
Tim Hudson 151.3 6.31 2.14 0.71 94 1.4 Tim Belcher
Matt Cain 135.3 7.58 2.66 1.06 94 1.3 Scott Elarton
Clayton Blackburn 116.3 7.43 2.40 0.77 97 1.3 Elizardo Ramirez
Chris Heston 138.3 6.44 3.12 0.72 91 1.1 Ben Hendrickson
Yusmeiro Petit 125.7 8.02 2.08 1.00 93 1.0 Brian Sweeney
Ryan Vogelsong 139.0 6.67 2.98 0.91 85 0.6 Bob Welch
Sergio Romo 53.7 9.22 2.01 0.84 121 0.6 Blas Minor
George Kontos 74.7 8.31 2.65 0.72 110 0.5 Don Cooper
Ty Blach 131.3 5.69 2.95 0.75 84 0.5 Thomas Biko
Mike Kickham 141.7 7.18 4.06 0.70 83 0.5 Lance Caraccioli
Kyle Crick 82.0 10.10 6.80 0.77 85 0.4 Trevor Hutchinson
Santiago Casilla 51.7 7.31 3.13 0.70 110 0.4 Don Aase
Hunter Strickland 46.7 8.67 2.12 0.77 112 0.3 Mike Connolly
Derek Law 43.3 9.35 3.53 0.62 111 0.3 Troy Percival
Tim Lincecum 163.0 8.23 3.64 1.05 81 0.3 Cal Eldred
Jean Machi 62.7 7.03 2.58 0.72 104 0.3 Kirk Bullinger
Jeremy Affeldt 47.3 6.85 3.04 0.38 107 0.3 Vic Darensbourg
Ray Black 34.0 11.38 4.50 0.53 109 0.2 Armando Benitez
Cody Hall 53.0 8.83 3.23 0.68 102 0.2 Jose Veras
Austin Fleet 104.3 6.30 3.62 0.78 83 0.2 Daven Bond
Jake Dunning 70.0 6.43 3.34 0.64 92 0.1 Scott Munter
Erik Cordier 55.3 9.76 5.37 0.65 96 0.1 Calvin Jones
Joan Gregorio 83.0 7.27 4.55 0.87 79 0.1 Miguel Batista
Javier Lopez 33.0 7.09 3.55 0.55 97 0.0 Vic Darensbourg
Dontrelle Willis 7.7 4.68 4.68 1.17 73 0.0 Elmer Riddle
Brett Bochy 57.3 8.01 3.77 0.94 92 -0.1 Dan Kite
Adalberto Mejia 100.0 6.48 3.15 1.08 77 -0.1 Travis Blackley
Sandy Rosario 40.7 6.86 3.54 0.88 87 -0.2 Mike Gardiner
Shane Loux 27.3 4.29 3.30 0.66 75 -0.2 Bob Miller
J.C. Gutierrez 50.3 6.62 2.68 0.89 88 -0.2 Lee Gardner
Steven Okert 65.0 8.45 4.02 0.83 89 -0.2 Jesus Pena
Phil McCormick 61.0 7.52 4.57 0.59 87 -0.3 Tom Thurberg
Andrew Carignan 34.3 8.40 6.82 0.79 77 -0.4 Eric Cammack
Mike Broadway 26.7 7.08 3.71 1.35 73 -0.4 Gary Neibauer
Dan Runzler 45.0 8.20 6.60 0.80 75 -0.5 Mike Kinnunen
Adam Reifer 54.7 7.57 5.59 0.99 75 -0.7 James Warden
Chris Stratton 117.3 6.60 4.60 1.07 70 -0.8 Brian Woods
Nik Turley 96.7 6.42 5.40 1.02 69 -0.8 Kyle Bloom
Jason Berken 129.0 4.74 3.49 0.98 71 -0.8 Ryan Jensen
Mitchell Boggs 62.7 4.88 4.45 0.86 73 -0.9 Mike Sullivan

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Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2014. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 3.93 ERA and the NL having a 3.75 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.





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Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago

Spud Davis, lol

Thomas Grantham
11 years ago

Seriously, I could not believe that either. I find it hard to believe that the most similar player to Buster Posey was a guy from the 1930s who had a pretty forgettable career.

Dan Szymborski
11 years ago

It’s not a total career comparison, it’s a recent-years comparison. Davis was a tremendous hitter for a stretch.

Avattoir
11 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

EB ranks Spud up there with Cochrane, Dickey, Piazza, Lombardi, Pudge Rodriguez, Joe Torre. All those guys hit a ton.

Maybe it’s the nickname that puts some off. What manly man man ever gets called Spud! Not something sober like Buster.

Brian
11 years ago

Is that much worse than Bumgarner’s #1 comp being Eric Milton? No disrespect to Mr. Milton but he retired with 89 wins a 4.99 ERA, and a 6.41 K/9.

Drew
11 years ago

I guess they shouldn’t worry about 2015, right? It’s 2016 that matters.

(I do really hope Petit gets a chance at the rotation and delivers…)

glib
11 years ago

Pretty much concur with the whole article.

1) short on the rotation, long on Yusmeiro. It could even be worse than that.

2) Belt is docked a WAR due to all that sitting to let King Buster “rest”. Not happy, but the estimate is correct.

Champs or not, one should at least make an attempt to find, oh, 3 reclamation projects for the spring. Peavy signing comparables: Huff 2010, Scutaro 2012. How are we ever going to contend in 2016?

EricR
11 years ago
Reply to  glib

I really, really, truly hate that our arguably 2nd best hitter will only play in 80-85% of the games this year, because they refuse to even try him occasionally in LF. It’s a problem they created and insist on maintaining.

glib
11 years ago
Reply to  EricR

yep. and may ultimately lead to belt departing for greener pastures. you know, where he can play every day.

Avattoir
11 years ago
Reply to  EricR

No written in stone. With Ishikawa penciled in as LF #1, I’d advise against assuming Belt won’t play some there this season.

DrBGiantsfan
11 years ago
Reply to  Avattoir

Gregor Blanco is the current #1 LF. Only reason they needed Ishikawa out there was because Pagan was hurt.

pitnick
11 years ago
Reply to  glib

Maybe also docked due to last year’s injuries (broken finger and concussion)? He had 571 PAs in 2013.

Avattoir
11 years ago
Reply to  pitnick

ZIPS doesn’t make allowances. ZIPS says Broken Finger 1 is the prelude to broken finger 2. Given how Belts bats, that makes sense. ZIPS saying Concussion 1’s a prelude to Concussion 2 might make less sense, except it already has; his next concussion will be #3. ZIPS doesn’t care for narratives; tough guy, that ZIPS.

channelclemente
11 years ago
Reply to  glib

What’s Bochy’s WAR?

obsessivegiantscompulsive
11 years ago

Around 4 per year. The average manager is .500 in one-run games, but he’s been averaging about 4 games over .500.

Anonymous
11 years ago

Disregarding how ridiculous this line of thinking is, I’d still like to point out a glaring math error in your line of thinking.

Even if this was how one quantified managerial value, WAR is wins over replacement, not wins above average. You’d need to determine how a replacement manager would perform in these situations, not just compare him to league-average.

For example, league average major leaguers have a WAR of 2.0, not 0.0.

walt526
11 years ago
Reply to  glib

Justin Maxwell seems like a good candidate for a Giants reclamation project for 2015. At his best, he could be right-handed version of Gregor Blanco. If they can find a way to fit him onto the 25 man roster, he could be a right-handed platoon-mate for Ishikawa/Blanco in LF plus a good backup CF for when Pagan inevitably spends some time on the DL.

obsessivegiantscompulsive
11 years ago
Reply to  glib

Belt was not docked for sitting while Buster played first, he was injured much of the season. In the 36 games the Giants played when Belt was injured, he played in 35 of them and started 32 of them, and he had started the first 25 games of the season.

Plus the Giants said in the pre-season that Belt was going to be playing a full season and thus Posey would have to be ready to catch 140 games.

Hurtlocker
11 years ago

Why are Uggla, Scutero, Covin and Abreu still on the Giants list?? All are either released or free agents.
My only other disagreement with this projection is the Hunter Pence decline. That dude is a freak of nature.

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlocker

“That dude is a freak of nature.”

That dude is a freak.

FTFY!

Dan Szymborski
11 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlocker

Why are Uggla, Scutero, Covin and Abreu still on the Giants list?? All are either released or free agents.

Because I’ve always listed players with their most recent team for the purpose of a list of projections.

Hurtlockertwo
11 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

It’s the same way for every team.

Hurtlockertwo
11 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlockertwo

D’oh! Meant for that comment to be a reply to Hurtlocker.

Avattoir
11 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlocker

Huge Pence fan here – cowering in the corner that ZIPS is likely right.

If you watch enough Giants games, you know that every second game, Pence barely legs out a single or avoids a DP. That’s, like, 13-14x a month, of which maybe half are scored hits. Losing a tenth of a second in basepath speed means some … half? … those are lost. Losing just half of those leg hits turns a .290 BA into a .261 BA.

All ZIPS is saying … is give Pence a cha– I’ll try again: all ZIPS is projecting is a loss of 0.1 second from home to first. IOW aging.

DrBGiantsfan
11 years ago

glib,

You honestly think it would be better for Buster Posey to sit on the bench against certain LHP’s than to get a day off from catching and play 1B? You really think Belt is that great?

EricR,

Do you really think the Giants have not given serious consideration to moving Belt to LF and would not be deliriously happy to have him there if they thought he could play the position?

Lefty
11 years ago
Reply to  DrBGiantsfan

I think the Giants have let everyone but Raul the Vendor from Section 121 play in LF over the last few years. Belt couldn’t possibly be worse out there than Morse, Ishikawa, Burrell, Pill…I could go on. If they like Belt’s defense at 1B (and they should), fine. If they don’t want to distract him from hitting by having him play a different position, also fine. But when you consider the parade of horribles they’ve put in LF since Melky Cabrera got busted, citing Belt’s defense in LF as a reason not to play him there doesn’t make sense.

P.S. Even Chris Dominguez! (I could go on.)

DrBGiantsfan
11 years ago
Reply to  Lefty

So you really think the Giants have not had a good reason for not putting Belt in LF all this time. Just the fact that they have tried all those other options should tell you something. I mean, how many WS do you have to win before your management starts getting some credit for know what they are doing?

EricR
11 years ago
Reply to  DrBGiantsfan

If you’re saying that they felt Kensuke Tanaka, a 32 yr old infielder who had never played the OF before, could play the position but thought Belt just couldn’t, then I don’t know what else to say. They’ve tried maybe 15 different guys out there the last several seasons, many of them looked much worse than Belt did out there in 2011. Unless it’s Belt himself outright refusing to play LF and choosing to be benched those days, then it makes no sense to not run him out there when Posey is playing 1st. He would not be close to as bad as Morse.

DrBGiantsfan
11 years ago
Reply to  EricR

I think the Giants are very good at evaluating players and putting them in positions to succeed. If you don’t believe that, despite 3 WS wins in 5 seasons, then I don’t know what to say either.

Los
11 years ago
Reply to  DrBGiantsfan

DrB. I think you could argue for Belt not needing to play left field without resorting only to an appeal to authority. I’m not some anti-sabean guy or anything like that but 3 rings doesn’t mean he makes only correct choices.

DrBGiantsfan
11 years ago
Reply to  DrBGiantsfan

It does mean that Sabean and Bochy make a lot more correct choices than incorrect ones and if the Giants don’t think LF is the right place for Belt, they should get the benefit of the doubt. It’s not like anyone here can prove that Belt would be an upgrade in LF.

ebc
11 years ago
Reply to  DrBGiantsfan

The “Brandon Belt just can’t cut it in left field” argument died a quick and merciful death the day the Giants decided to give multiple left-field starts–in the postseason–to Travis Ishikawa.

DrBGiantsfan
11 years ago
Reply to  ebc

Oh really? So why do you suppose they put Ishikawa out there instead of Belt?

DrBGiantsfan
11 years ago
Reply to  ebc

Oh, and did you notice who started in LF in WS Game 7? Clue: It wasn’t Ishikawa!

glib
11 years ago
Reply to  DrBGiantsfan

are we going down the lane of discovering the genius of playing Ishi in left? Posey, to rest, should play 3B or LF. He is not worse than Morse.

DrBGiantsfan
11 years ago
Reply to  glib

Look, dude. All I am saying is if the Giants have not seen fit to move Belt to LF, they probably have a good reason for it. Their recent track record of evaluating players and putting them where they can succeed speaks for itself.

glib
11 years ago
Reply to  DrBGiantsfan

I do not want belt in left! never ever wanted him there. he is a superior 1B and should get all his time at 1b. i want posey in left.

Gregg
11 years ago

Anyone know why McGehee’s projection was only 1.3 zWAR in the Marlins projection article but now in the Giants article his projection is up to 1.7?

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Gregg

Rice-a-roni zWAR bonus, obviously

pitnick
11 years ago
Reply to  Gregg

No change in defense or PAs, so it’s all offense, apparently. His numbers dip in SF, but only slightly, and I guess the difference in park factors makes up the extra 0.4?

So ZIPs sees McGehee as being less affected by San Francisco than most hitters would be. Or something is screwy with the park factors.

Dan Szymborski
11 years ago
Reply to  pitnick

ZiPS sees McGehee as less affected by San Francisco – he’s not a good HR hitter anymore.

Avattoir
11 years ago

For Giants’ fans inclined to scoff, ZIPS wasn’t this down on SF last off-season.

ZIPS, like all projections, ‘plays out’ in the unreality of non-emergent MLB. In reality, the goal, as the Giants proved last year (and to slighter lesser degrees in 2012 and even in 2010), is to make the play-offs and commence trolling. And that goal is pursued, not in a 30 team MLB context, or even strictly a 15 team NL one.

However, with signs of intelligent life emerging in LA, and the jaws of money life being applied on SD, with every denizen of the NLC improving (except Milwaukee?), even tho the Giants BARELY made the play-offs in 2014, that same modest accomplishment looks decidedly less likely in 2015.

The one quibble I have with ZIPS on the SF assembly of players is with the projection for Brandon Belt. ZIPS works off adherence to patterns, but Belt’s is cut strangely against his promise and age. Going off just 2012, it seemed Belt was in for a power boost in 2013, if he just stayed healthy – which he did. However, he went into that season with too many unresolved holes in his strike zone coverage, readily discovered and exploited by NL pitchers. It took him into some time around mid-2013 to resolve enough of them to return to pattern. Off that resolution, there were sound reasons to expect the power boost missing in 2013 to emerge in 2014.

That’s actually how his 2014 season began: a high rate of dingers, towards a rational expectation of around 30 +/- 5. It didn’t continue, due to flukes: first, a broken finger from being struck there at the plate; then, a relatively mild concussion out of what looked worse; followed by a more severe one from a weird accident that looked like it shouldn’t have been that bad but I hazard was rendered so because he was still somewhat in recovery from the earlier one. IOW: a series of unfortunate coincidents, none deriving from any tendency or vulnerability of his.

ZIPS isn’t constructed to reflect on that – or indeed on any peculiar weirdness that occurs to any given player. If Belt stays healthy in 2015 – the experiences of 2012 and 2013 support that as more likely than not – then, IMO, it’s more likely he will get to that 30 +/- level in home runs.

But the Giants, along with every MLB, have a job to do, too. Where they’re going, fans can only follow. What they’ve got to do, fans aren’t really any part of. It doesn’t take much to see that the problems of one player don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy MLB world. Someday, baseball fans will understand that.

In the meantime, ZIPS seems to have a fairly decent handle on that.

DrBGiantsfan
11 years ago
Reply to  Avattoir

Did I miss something? I don’t recall any Giants fans scoffing at these projections in the comments.

EricR
11 years ago
Reply to  Avattoir

None of these Belt narratives ever actually add up to what happened.

“…it seemed Belt was in for a power boost in 2013”

Yes, and his ISO ended up going from .146 to .193, that is a significant power boost.

“However, he went into that season with too many unresolved holes in his strike zone coverage, readily discovered and exploited by NL pitchers. It took him into some time around mid-2013 to resolve enough of them to return to pattern.”

Well, no. Not really at all. He had a first half wRC+ of 123. That’s not a guy getting readily exploited. Now he did explode into his crazy 2nd half, but is it really him “resolving” things? His BB/KK rates were nearly identical in each half of 2013, the only thing that changed was a 1st half babip of .319 and a 2nd half babip of .392. His ISOs were near identical in each half.

And I personally hope he goes back to being the type of hitter he was in 2013 rather than his healthy parts of 2014. I don’t like that he sacrificed his eye and BB rate for power. I’d rather have the Belt who put up a 140 wRC+ with a .180 ISO than a Mark Trumbo clone.

obsessivegiantscompulsive
11 years ago
Reply to  EricR

Looks like a good place to remind people that Belt has been fighting the Giants coaches recommendations on how to fix his batting mechanics over the years.

The last piece of the puzzle was his grip which he finally changed in August 2013 after a road trip through Philly, where he talked with Domonic Brown at his batting coaches suggestion, and decided to give the grip a chance. It worked in spades, he was blasting balls all over the place.

That’s the Belt I was hoping for in 2014, but never got a chance to see him finally put together a full season of good mechanics and good peripherals.

Hopefully he can stay healthy in 2015, but I would remind people that he missed significant time in his first MLB season because a pitch broke a bone in his hand early on, so his broken finger in 2014 was actually the second time that a HBP breaking a bone in his hand had happened. Could be fluke but that’s twice in four seasons.

Bobby Melody
11 years ago

My biggest concern is only three players over 5.0 RC/27-Posey (6.7), Belt (5.5) and Pence (5.1). Their offense is going to be weak as it stands.

bleh
11 years ago

i’m a giants fan since 1977 or so but unless they get a big bounce back from Cain and several other key contributors i wont be surprised if they miss the playoffs entirely. i’m satiated anyway, with 3 of the last 5. someone else can win it now.

obsessivegiantscompulsive
11 years ago
Reply to  bleh

I’ve been a fan since 1971 and I expect them to make the playoffs again. Not sure how long being a fan has to do with anything though.

One, Cain should be bouncing back, the pain in his elbow is now gone and not restricting him. Two, Bochy has averaged +4 wins above .500 in one-run games during his career, and the Giants were -4 wins below .500 in 2014. Just regressing to .500 would add a couple of wins. Three, Belt should be healthy and ready to hit more like he did at the end of 2013, making up for the loss of Sandoval in the lineup. Four, Panik will be huge improvement over SF 2B in 2014. Five, as poorly as McGehee hit in 2014, he was not that far from Sandoval’s batting line. Six, I expect better results from Lincecum now that his father is back and tweaking his mechanics game by game instead of once in a while. Seven, Peavy should be a huge improvement over Vogelsong’s 2014. Lots of good things that should happen in 2015. Remember this is basically the same team that, while healthy, had the second best record in the majors in early June, with double the wins of losses, 43-21. If they can stay healthy, see no reason they can’t roll like that again.

I’m still projecting the Giants as the Team of the 2010 Decade, they have a pretty big lead now, but the Cards lurk as contenders for that title. As long as we have Bumgarner and Posey leading the way, the Giants should be contenders.

Bobby Melody
11 years ago

Yes-No complaints- How can you after winning a 3rd WS in 5 years. But all I will say is that was a painful June/July. Once the team was down, by the 5th inning there was very little hope that they would come back to win. Unless they get another bat, it will be a long season.

Dave
11 years ago

Really surprised to see Cain’s projection get that bad that fast.