2017 Trade Value: #31 to #40

Noah Syndergaard could reasonably appear basically anywhere on this list. (Photo: Keith Allison)

Welcome to the third installment of this year’s Trade Value series; you can see the links to the honorable mentions and the last 10 guys in the list in the toolbar above. If you’re not familiar with this project, there’s an explanation of the process in the HM post, so that’s the best place to start.

As a reminder for those who don’t like clicking links, however, the five-year WAR projections are based on Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS forecasts, though the players aren’t ranked based on those projections; these figures are included merely as a piece of information to help round out the picture. The guaranteed-dollars line measures the amount of money the player is owed outside of team options or arbitration years; for most of these guys, team options are very likely to be exercised, and many of them will end up making more than the guaranteed-dollars number reports.

No need to delay any further; let’s look at the 10 guys who made today’s cut.

Team Control WAR Total +17.7
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2021
Previous Rank #31
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 24 +4.2 Arb1
2019 25 +4.6 Arb2
2020 26 +4.5 Arb3
2021 27 +4.5 Arb4
Arb

If this was just Dave’s Top 50 Franchise Players or something, Russell might not be on this list. I’ve maintained some skepticism over the years about his eventual offensive upside, given his moderate power and low contact rates. His poor start to 2017 isn’t helping the idea that the bat is headed in the right direction. But feedback from friends in the game suggested that his stock within MLB is still pretty high, with multiple reminders that this is a guy who put up +7 WAR at ages 21-22, and he doesn’t need to crush the ball to be an elite player given his defense.

As one friend put it, he’s already pretty close to being Brandon Crawford, and there is still upside for more. And the 30-year-old Brandon Crawford almost made this list despite being making $15 million per year for his decline phase. So a younger, cheaper version with remaining potential is something teams would still love to have, despite his early-season struggles. And it’s why the Cubs, to this point, aren’t making him available, even with an internal replacement in Javier Baez and a glaring need for another starting pitcher.

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As for the domestic-violence accusations, which are certainly disturbing, the Aroldis Chapman trade last summer showed there isn’t a lot of evidence that teams are backing away from acquiring talented players because of these problems. While I can wish that weren’t the case, the reality in MLB right now is that acquiring talent still wins out in nearly every decision, and Russell is still a very talented young shortstop. Because this project attempts to measure what MLB is valuing, and not what I’m valuing, Russell still ranks fairly highly here, despite his current on- and off-field issues.

Five-Year WAR +17.3
Guaranteed Dollars $24.0 M
Team Control Through 2022
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 27 +3.7 $4.0 M
2019 28 +3.5 $5.0 M
2020 29 +3.4 $7.0 M
2021 30 +3.4 $8.0 M
2022 31 +3.3 $9.0 M
Team Option

The Braves had to turn away something like half the teams in baseball after acquiring Inciarte, underrated no longer, from Arizona. Instead, Atlanta kept their new center fielder for themselves and then signed him to a long-term extension that makes him one of the biggest bargains in baseball. Inciarte doesn’t have enough thump in his bat to turn into an impact hitter, most likely, but he has top-of-the-scale defensive value and is roughly a league-average hitter, a combination which makes him a borderline star.

Teams still don’t pay for defense like they do for offense, of course, and there’s always the concern that fielding value peaks early and is susceptible to getting destroyed by injury, but Inciarte is so good in center field that there would still be a long line of suitors if the Braves made him available. Thanks to some guy named Freeman, he’s not the Braves’ franchise player, but there aren’t many outfielders in baseball you’d rather have than Inciarte, especially considering he’s guaranteed just $24 million over the next four years.

Inciarte is an All-Star being paid like a mediocre bench guy for the duration of his prime years. And that’s why Atlanta just keeps telling everyone he’s not available.

Five-Year WAR +19.0
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2022
Previous Rank #37
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 24 +3.5 Pre-Arb
2019 25 +3.8 Pre-Arb
2020 26 +3.8 Arb1
2021 27 +3.8 Arb2
2022 28 +4.0 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

In some ways, Bregman is a bit of a test case for the predictive power of Statcast data. On the one hand, he’s a 23-year-old who has already produced a better-than-average career batting line, and whom most people think would still be playing shortstop if it wasn’t for Carlos Correa’s presence in Houston. As noted in the Russell and Inciarte write-ups, an up-the-middle guy who hits near league average is a pretty nice thing to have, and Bregman’s minor-league numbers suggest that there’s more offensive upside he hasn’t yet tapped into. Without Statcast data, we’d look at Bregman and see a high-floor/high-ceiling guy, the kind of player who is already good and could become great. ZiPS is obviously a fan.

But as Tony Blengino noted back in March, Bregman’s batted-ball data from 2016 was “a mess” and suggested his solid rookie numbers were unsustainable. Bregman’s power has indeed regressed this season, and there are still a lot of red flags here, as he remains a pull-heavy hitter who makes weak contact on grounders yet still hits a lot of infield flies. But he’s also improved his contact rate by eight percentage points this year, and cut down on his chases out of the zone, so if he can keep his walks and strikeouts in line, he doesn’t necessarily have to be a guy who also crushes the baseball regularly.

So, is Bregman a potential middle infielder with a good bat and upside or a corner guy with limited power who will struggle to hit for a high average due to his pull and pop-up tendencies? Enough people in the game voted for the former that I don’t think his stock is down much from a year ago, but it will be interesting to see where he sits on next year’s list.

Team Control WAR Total +9.0
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2020
Previous Rank #22
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 30 +3.2 Arb2
2019 31 +3.0 Arb3
2020 32 +2.8 Arb4
Arb

Since debuting in 2014, deGrom has established himself as one of the game’s best pitchers, and unlike every other teammate of his that throws the ball for a living, his arm hasn’t yet exploded. With three years of control remaining after this one, deGrom is exactly the kind of high-quality controllable starter for which seemingly every contender in baseball is looking at the moment.

But whether right or wrong, there’s something a bit scary about trading for a Mets pitcher these days. deGrom looks healthy right now, throwing the hardest he ever has in his career, but he missed the end of last season with elbow troubles, and the fact that the Mets haven’t been able to keep any of their other starters healthy isn’t particularly reassuring. The fact that he’s 29 and has only thrown more than 180 innings in a season once in his career is also a little worrisome. Teams are always hesitant to overly invest in health risks, and as good as deGrom is, he’s still a health risk.

But the upside is undeniable. He’s probably a top-10 starter with three more trips through arbitration coming, and his reduced innings totals and lack of awards to this point means arbiters aren’t going to give him extremely large raises. If you knew deGrom were going to be good for 600 innings over the next three years, he’d be in the top 15 on this list, and maybe the top 10. So while he’s a bit of a risk, he’s also a dominant frontline starter, and those generally don’t come risk free. If the Mets decided to take advantage of the demand for controllable starters this summer, they could get a very good return for Jacob deGrom.

Five-Year WAR +11.4
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2022
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 26 +2.2 Pre-Arb
2019 27 +2.4 Pre-Arb
2020 28 +2.3 Arb1
2021 29 +2.3 Arb2
2022 30 +2.2 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Taillon is just 25, but he’s already had Tommy John surgery, been hit in the head by a line drive, and most recently overcame cancer. His medical file is longer than you’d like for a young core piece. On the other hand, he’s certainly shown he can overcome adversity.

And when he’s been on a big-league mound, he’s been excellent. He’s more of a strikes-and-grounders guy than a dominant strikeout machine, but if his changeup improved enough to help him put lefties away, he could easily take another step forward. And he’s already quite good.

Like with almost every pitcher we’ve written up so far, Taillon is both high risk and high reward. But unlike the guys we profiled yesterday, Taillon still has two more years before he reaches arbitration, so there’s a bit more reward here than with a lot of the other high-risk young arms. If Taillon can stay healthy and pitch like he’s pitched to date, he’s one of the most valuable young arms in the game. That’s still an if, but it’s an if worth betting on.

Five-Year WAR +14.5
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2022
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 24 +2.5 Pre-Arb
2019 25 +2.9 Arb1
2020 26 +3.1 Arb2
2021 27 +3.1 Arb3
2022 28 +2.8 Arb4
Pre-Arb
Arb

Few players in the game have improved their stock more than Severino in the first half of the year. A well-regarded prospect who went the wrong way last year, Severino came into spring training fighting for a job in the rotation. Lucky for the Yankees, they gave him one, and he’s rewarded them with a half-season of dominance; he’s one of just five starting pitchers to post an xFIP- below 70 so far this year, and three of the other four have already won at least one Cy Young Award.

Of course, all the usual caveats apply to a 23-year-old with a half-season of dominance under his belt. Major-league hitters could figure him out again, and he could fail to make the necessary adjustments. He’s a pitcher, so he could get hurt. He’s on year three of an above-average HR/FB rate, so he might not be as good as his BB/K/GB rates suggest.

But a 23-year-old blowing away hitters in the AL East, sitting 97 with his fastball, and showing a much-improved changeup has pretty obvious upside. If he keeps pitching this well for the next year, he’ll be a threat to be in the top 10 on next year’s list. The track record is still a bit short for that now, but just as the Yankees have found a monster in right field, it’s possible they’ve also found an ace on the mound, too.

Team Control WAR Total +19.6
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2021
Previous Rank #12
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 25 +4.7 Arb1
2019 26 +4.9 Arb2
2020 27 +5.0 Arb3
2021 28 +5.0 Arb4
Arb

Every year, there’s a guy on the list who is basically impossible to rank. This year, Syndergaard is that guy. Scared enough of the lat tear that has sidelined him for most of the season to think that he’s too risky to give up a significant package for? Perfectly logical. Still see the second- or third-best pitcher in baseball, at age 24, who should be back from a non-elbow injury before the end of the year? Yeah, me too.

If you bet big on Syndergaard now, you could be rewarded with the most valuable pitcher in baseball, when performance and contract are taken into account. Or, if you bet big on Syndergaard now, you could be giving up a bunch of talent for the right to oversee his rehab assignments, since we don’t actually know if a pitcher can stay healthy throwing as hard as Syndergaard does every fifth day.

I realize that the high-risk/high-reward mantra has gotten worn out at the back end of this exercise, but no one exemplifies that dichotomy more than Syndergaard. If you don’t want to bet on a pitcher with arm problems, I don’t blame you. If you don’t want to pass up an elite talent simply because he’s currently on the DL, I don’t blame you, either. You can basically put him anywhere on this list and have it be both defensible and absurd. So I’m putting him here, because I don’t know where else to put him, and this feels less wrong than anywhere else.

Team Control WAR Total +19.8
Guaranteed Dollars $120.0 M
Team Control Through 2021
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 33 +5.5 $15.0 M
2019 34 +5.1 $35.0 M
2020 35 +4.6 $35.0 M
2021 36 +4.6 $35.0 M

Speaking of second-best-pitchers-in-baseball, Scherzer is firmly in control of that title at the moment, last month’s temporary loss of sanity — when people tried to argue that he’d surpassed Clayton Kershaw — aside. As good as he was in Detroit, Scherzer has gotten even better since getting to Washington, and despite not being cheap, has pitched himself into being a huge bargain again.

Certainly, there are teams that would look at those $35 million per year salaries from 2019 to -21 and decide they just weren’t interested, but I think it’s pretty obvious that, if Scherzer were a free agent this winter, he’d sign for far more than four years, $120 million he’s still owed after this season. And because the Nationals deferred the entirety of the $105 million he’s owed in salary for those three years until 2022 (when he’ll start receiving $15 million annual payments, which every team in baseball can afford), the actual financial burden he’d place on a team’s payroll is significantly reduced, and the present value of the remaining obligations is closer to $100 million.

He does turn 33 in a few weeks, and any $100-plus million commitment for a player his age will scare off some bidders, but there are enough teams who could use an ace and could easily absorb Scherzer’s contract that the Nationals would be able to extract a significant return if they wanted to move him. Which they don’t, because he’s awesome.

Team Control WAR Total +10.5
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2019
Previous Rank #16
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 28 +5.2 $12.0 M
2019 29 +5.2 $12.0 M
Team Option

Perhaps the game’s most durable ace, Bumgarner’s streak of 200 inning seasons will come to an end this year, thanks to his decision to go dirt-biking on his off-day. But after completing a successful rehab start last night, Bumgarner looks poised to re-join the Giants this weekend, and at this point, there’s no reason to think his DL stint would have a significant impact on his trade value.

Which, of course, remains quite high. Bumgarner is one of the game’s premier pitchers, is the game’s best hitting pitcher, and doesn’t turn 28 until the day after the trade deadline. The Giants owe him just $24 million over the next two years, and even those are team options. To get multiple years of a player at this level for this price would cost a fortune. And to this point, there’s no indication that the Giants are even willing to listen to offers for their ace, even though they’ll be sellers over the next few weeks.

When you have a player this valuable, you generally just want to keep him. And that’s likely what the Giants will do with their ace, at least for another year. If the team doesn’t turn it around in 2018, however, and Bumgarner doesn’t prove willing to sign another long-term extension, we could be talking about him as the biggest trade chip of next summer’s deadline.

Team Control WAR Total +9.9
Guaranteed Dollars $17.8 M
Team Control Through 2019
Previous Rank #8
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2018 27 +4.9 $17.8 M
2019 28 +5.0 Arb4
Arb

Maybe the most visually spectacular defender in the game, Arenado has turned himself into a legitimate superstar. Playing in Colorado inflates his power, as it does with most hitters, but he makes a lot of contact and is a good hitter even after adjusting for his home ballpark.

The only real downside, and why he fell 23 spots from last year, is that he’s marching towards free agency, and his Super Two status has allowed him to reach some pretty lofty salaries through arbitration. He signed a two-year deal that bought out his coming trip through the process but guaranteed him nearly $18 million in the process, and assuming he has another typical season next year, his final arbitration number could push $25 million.

Of course, $43 million over two years is still a fraction of Arenado’s market value; he’d blow past $200 million on the open market with ease. Like Bugmarner, though, we might actually be talking about him as a potential trade chip next summer if the Rockies can’t get an extension done in the next 12 months. Players like this are too valuable to let walk in free agency. For the Rockies’ sake, I hope they find a way to keep their franchise third baseman in Denver.

2017 Trade Value, 31-50
Rk Pv Player Age 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022
31 8 Nolan Arenado 26 +4.9
$17.8 M
+5.0
Arb4
32 16 Madison Bumgarner 27 +5.2
$12.0 M
+5.2
$12.0 M
33 Max Scherzer 32 +5.5
$15.0 M
+5.1
$35.0 M
+4.6
$35.0 M
+4.6
$35.0 M
34 12 Noah Syndergaard 24 +4.7
Arb1
+4.9
Arb2
+5.0
Arb3
+5.0
Arb4
35 Luis Severino 23 +2.5
Pre-Arb
+2.9
Arb1
+3.1
Arb2
+3.1
Arb3
+2.8
Arb4
36 Jameson Taillon 25 +2.2
Pre-Arb
+2.4
Pre-Arb
+2.3
Arb1
+2.3
Arb2
+2.2
Arb3
37 22 Jacob deGrom 29 +3.2
Arb2
+3.0
Arb3
+2.8
Arb4
38 37 Alex Bregman 23 +3.5
Pre-Arb
+3.8
Pre-Arb
+3.8
Arb1
+3.8
Arb2
+4.0
Arb3
39 Ender Inciarte 26 +3.7
$4.0 M
+3.5
$5.0 M
+3.4
$7.0 M
+3.4
$8.0 M
+3.3
$9.0 M
40 31 Addison Russell 23 +4.2
Arb1
+4.6
Arb2
+4.5
Arb3
+4.5
Arb4
41 26 Yoan Moncada 22 +2.2
Pre-Arb
+3.1
Pre-Arb
+3.6
Pre-Arb
+3.6
Arb1
+3.8
Arb2
42 25 Jose Quintana 28 +3.8
$8.8 M
+3.8
$10.5 M
+3.6
$10.5 M
43 Robbie Ray 25 +3.4
Arb1
+3.5
Arb2
+3.7
Arb3
44 Anthony Rendon 27 +4.4
Arb3
+4.2
Arb4
45 20 Xander Bogaerts 24 +3.8
Arb2
+3.6
Arb3
46 28 Jackie Bradley Jr. 27 +3.2
Arb2
+2.9
Arb3
+2.8
Arb4
47 Marcus Stroman 26 +2.2
Arb2
+2.5
Arb3
+2.5
Arb4
48 James Paxton 28 +2.8
Arb2
+2.9
Arb3
+2.8
Arb4
49 Aaron Nola 24 +2.9
Pre-Arb
+3.2
Arb1
+3.3
Arb2
+3.0
Arb3
50 47 Jake Lamb 26 +2.6
Arb1
+2.7
Arb2
+2.6
Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb
Team Option





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Ryan21
9 years ago

Thanks for the series, Dave–as always, it’s a great refresher during an otherwise slow week of baseball.

And re: Seveeino: “and three of the other four have already won at least one Cy Young Award.”

Chris Sale thanks you for the confidence in his second half.

JeremyMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Ryan21

How is it possible that Chris Sale has never won a Cy Young award? I must have combined him with Corey Kluber in my head or something.

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy

Came close, faded in last month or two a couple times

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Ryan21

Just looked at Sale’s stats. He’s on pace for one of the all-time great seasons–he’s already got 5.3 WAR at the ASG. That’s more WAR than he had all last year! He keeps that up and it’s a prime Randy Johnson-type of season. I knew he was having a good year, but that’s insane.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

Count me in for Syndergaard being higher than this. At least higher than Bumgarner, who provides similar value with less team control (and I think Bumgarner is probably in the right spot).

teufelshuffle
9 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yes, Scherzer over Syndergaard makes no sense to me (though admittedly I’m a Mets fan). Scherzer is awesome, but costs a ton, with a TON of it differed, and he’s much much older. Syndergaard’s injury was not to his arm, how can he be seen as a higher risk than Scherzer? Just last year, Syndergaard was worth a full fWAR more and had a lower ERA.

To sum: Syndergaard may be better already, is much younger, likely has as much injury risk going forward, and doesn’t cost $105M if he breaks (in addition to what you traded for either of them).

Fhone Ciggins
9 years ago
Reply to  teufelshuffle

Scherzer’s long track record of dominance definitely helps him out here as well.

TKDCMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  teufelshuffle

“Oh no, I’m going to have to pay that money later rather than sooner,” said no business person ever.

Andrew Cohen
9 years ago
Reply to  teufelshuffle

Also a Mets fan, and while i’d probably rather Noah, you can’t honestly say he “likely has as much injury risk going forward.” Scherzer has averaged 32.5 starts per year over last 8 seasons (which comprises his entire career)

abgb123
9 years ago
Reply to  teufelshuffle

Not only is your logic flawed but I think you missed the point of the entire exercise, this isn’t a who would you rather have long term, this is a who has the most value list, I got out of it who would demand the most talent in a trade.
As for Scherzer’s contract, the fact that a boat load of it (I think half) is deferred makes the contract more attractive, the 15/m a year payments are based on dollar value when the contract was signed and when those payments are due you will be paying him in the same dollar value from 2015. I would also assume that if traded the Nats would retain any differed payments from years he pitched for them and the retaining team would assume the differed payments from his years with them.
As for injury, how can you argue that they have the same risk of injury? It a fact that the best indicator for future injury is past injury, Scherzer has never been injured where Syndergaard is currently injured & Syndergaard plays for a team with significant issue with respect to how injuries are handled.
Syndergaard is a great pitcher and as a Jays fan it still hurts to see him on a different team, I would also take him long term over Scherzer but as for value, I dont see any way Syndergaard has Scherzer’s value.

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Higher than Bumgarner seems right though.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago

Also, Re: DeGrom–apparently the Astros have been sneaking around DeGrom. But I agree the return would have to be truly massive.

Andrew Cohen
9 years ago

“..and unlike every other teammate of his that throws the ball for a living, his arm hasn’t yet exploded”
-he does have two elbow surgeries under his belt (including TJ)

Craftcj
9 years ago

I don’t think Chapman works as an indicator of Russell’s value in the shadow of a domestic violence investigation.

1. As several people pointed out yesterday, the Cubs were willing to pay a premium for Chapman to end an exceptionally long championship drought. Not so for anyone acquiring Russell.

2. Consider that the Reds received a much less compelling return when *they* traded Chapman. That shows that the value of a player facing a DV investigation *is* reduced when divorced from the context of ending a generations-long streak of futility.

3. When the Cubs acquired Chapman, he had already served his suspension. In contrast, any team trading for Russell would discount his value because he still faces the prospect of missing a large chunk of his first season under that team’s control.

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Craftcj

Except is there any evidence? A friend of his wife said it in a time when she was hurting from being cheated on. If every single athlete who cheated on his wife was suspended for domestic violence there might not be enough players to fill the league.

majnun
9 years ago
Reply to  carter

Most athletes cheating on their wives aren’t accused of domestic violence

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  majnun

Who accused him though? That is the point. His wife’s “friend” in a comment on an instagram post. Judging by the time, she was likely intoxicated, and then deleted the post. Who knows if there is any truth to it.

Fan gaff
9 years ago
Reply to  carter

Derek Norris’ accusation of DV was pretty stupid too, it was something like “I was reading his text messages to a different woman and he tried to get his phone back and I wouldn’t let him.” yea right, “domestic violence”
I mean Chapman shot his gun into the wall 8 times, little different.

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  majnun

The league will clear him. I just wish people wouldn’t speculate (or even mention) unsubstantiated claims, because it doesn’t benefit either party. He will not benefit from it, and domestic violence victims will not either.

ScientialMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  carter

My cousin told me she read on social media that Mike Trout told a racist joke once.

Can every article discussing Trout now please have a somber paragraph acknowledging that the allegations against Trout are disturbing? Isn’t Fangraphs against racism in baseball?

The Other DougMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Sciential

The downvotes for the above post show that some readers’ sarcasm detectors are either offline or malfunctioning….

Fan gaff
9 years ago
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dtpollittMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Craftcj

FYI Russell’s agent, Scott Boras, said this yesterday, 07/10:

“All I know is the facts that we have do not suggest there’s a foundation for what the social media report was.”

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/agent-expects-addison-russell-to-be-cleared-after-lengthy-mlb-probe/

Jason BMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  dtpollitt

Whether the allegations are true or not, I wouldn’t cite Scott Boras as a disinterested or neutral arbiter…

OtterMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Craftcj

These are all excellent points, and I think between the uncertainty with Russell’s domestic violence investigation, the fact he’s a super 2, and poor play this year (it’s a pretty big bet to put on his glove and those ZIPs projections)—there is a compelling argument to drop Russell to the HM, and put one of Harper, Machado, Acuna, Devers, Vlad Jr, Rosario, and Torres at 50.

Glevin
9 years ago

I love this series but I have a real problem with the Scherzer ranking. The reason why Harper, Machado, and Donaldson aren’t ranked higher is that for non-contending teams, they don’t have a lot of value because they have short-term contracts. Well, Scherzer doesn’t have value for most teams who simply would not be able to afford $35M a year long-term contract. There are no $35M/Y contracts now and even for a team with $150M payroll, you are taking about 23% of your entire salary on one pitcher in his mid 30’s. How many teams would take on that salary? Some, but not that many.

EasyenoughMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Glevin

You did not read the Scherzer description. There is no $35M/yr payout. “$15M/yr starting in 2022.”

Pinstripe Wizard
9 years ago
Reply to  Glevin

Well except for the whole deferment thing, I would agree with you. And while you can easily say no one wants to pay $15M for a player that isn’t on the roster anymore after the contract is up, consider the fact that Melky Cabrera, Curtis Granderson, and Wei-Yin Chen currently make in that neighborhood. $15M just isn’t much money for a baseball player anymore, especially considering the value that Scherzer provides right now.

vivalajeter
9 years ago

I’m curious why you’re putting Granderson in the same category as the other two? He’s perfectly useful at ~$15M. He put up almost 8 WAR over the last two years, and despite a horrific April he’s still at 1.4 WAR in about 80 games this year. He’s no star anymore, but it’s not like he’s dead weight.

Pinstripe Wizard
9 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

The only answer I can give you to this is my own ignorance. I was woefully unaware that he put up a 5 win season in 2015, and while the eye test might say he’s not a good CF, the numbers haven’t killed his value as of yet.

v2miccaMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Yep, its a harsh lesson to learn for fans of some smaller market franchises. But the bottom half of the league does not set the market.

rhennessy1572
9 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Great stuff Dave! I know it’s challenging to numerically rank 50 players based on trade value then debate who belongs where.

One correction, Scherzer is due $15M for the 2019-2021. That is $45M over those 3 years of his $50M signing bonus, first $5M was paid in 2015.

The $35M annual salaries spelled out in the contract are 100% deferred to be paid out in 7 equal installments of $15M from 2022-2028.

The salary/signing bonus structure of the contract is set-up to essentially pay Scherzer $15M for 14 years, of which he is controlled for the first 7 years.

JJWattsArmBrace
9 years ago

I guess that means four Astros make the top 30? Correa, Springer, McCullers, and Altuve?

Max Power
9 years ago

4 Indians too: Lindor, Ramirez, Kluber, Carrasco. I’m also thinking 3 Red Sox, and surprisingly only 2 Dodgers and 2 Yankees.

seymour
9 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

It will be 3 Yankees – Severino, Sanchez and Judge

Da Bum
9 years ago
Reply to  seymour

Severino is included in this post. Unless he’s been cloned, he can’t be top 30.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  seymour

Yeah, Sanchez and Judge are locks for the Top 30. Two of the most electric players in baseball and they are on pre-arb contracts.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

I buy the four Indians. For the Dodgers, you’re thinking only Bellinger and Seager? Red Sox: Sale, Betts, Benintendi? (plus Boegarts and Bradley outside of it…)

Max Power
9 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yep, exactly. Top-30 is kind of arbitrary, as those teams have a bunch of guys outside the top-30 but appeared already or in the honorable mentions.
Mostly just fun in trying to predict what comes next. I’m thinking Chris Archer ends up the top pitcher.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

Yeah, as good as the Dodgers look, they seem more built around “no bad players” than a few stars. And I’m probably lower than average on Bellinger–I’m concerned what will happen when he stops hitting homers at a 60-per-season pace if he doesn’t also cut down the strikeouts.

The one guy I wonder about is Austin Barnes. I feel like if he wasn’t blocked from the starting catcher job, there would be a chance he could have made this list. I don’t think he’s a true-talent 149 wRC+, but 110-120 is plausible, and if you combine that with a good defensive reputation, the scarcity of catchers these days, his ability to play some other infield positions, and his team control status, that would be easily more valuable than Jake Lamb’s arbitration years, in my opinion.

phpope
9 years ago
Reply to  Bip

The Dodger’s philosophy appears to be constructing a roster comprised of all non-bad players, a few very good players, and a couple stars, knowing that each year, it’s likely that two or three of the non-heralded players will have a better-than-average year. Hello, Chris Taylor and Alex Wood.

And presto, you now have the best team in baseball.

rogue_actuaryMember since 2016
9 years ago

It’s always disappointing when I finish the last entry in any of these columns… I don’t think I was this impatient when these lists started coming out.

frivoflava29
9 years ago

I love this series, but I just want to say I think it’s really funny that Addison Russ is showing up in the search box because the wrong player was linked. Every dog has his day.

marzMember since 2017
9 years ago

I vote that “Bugmarner” replace “MadBum” as the eponymous player’s nickname.DO IT, FANGRAPHS.

agingphenom
9 years ago

I’m guessing Jose Ramirez will be number 1. I mean look at his team control and 5 yr projected WAR. There is no better bargain in baseball than the Angry Hamster.

Da Bum
9 years ago
Reply to  agingphenom

He’ll be close but not No. 1. Judge has just as many years of control and has been worth 1.6 WAR above Jose. Plus some of this is perception of team value and Judge is all the rage and a huge fan draw. That gives him a small bump.

Plus there’s guys like Kris Bryant. Worth 2+ more WAR last season, huge fan draw, nearly everyone would choose him over Jose despite less WAR this season and only one less year of control.

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

I doubt it will be either of those guys, as I do not quite buy Jose Ramirez having the reputation across the league yet to merit a #1 ranking, even though he very well might end up being the best value.

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  carter

And Judge’s age/ way people of his bodytype typically age might be his drawback. While I do not agree with it, since there really are not any other players of his bodytype in the game [like, ever}.

Da Bum
9 years ago
Reply to  carter

Judges body not aging well doesn’t matter. He’s controlled through age 30. This isn’t who is the best player. Your age based decline argument for a 25 year old is relevant if arguing who will produce the most WAR for remainder of career. This trade value series is about production in relation to years of control and the cost of that control.

v2miccaMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

Its not Judge’s body type the will keep him from supplanting Mike Trout as number 1, its his much smaller track record of sustained success coupled with a strike-out rate and BABIP that screams regression.

Zach Walters Appreciation Guild
9 years ago
Reply to  v2micca

Also, at this point, it’s very likely we’ll see Correa at #1, much more so than Trout. It was a razor-thin margin a year ago, when Correa’s +6 WAR projections were still hypothetical. Now, he’s shown it.

To say nothing of the fact that Correa’s 3 years younger than Judge.

EDIT: This got muddled, as I’m addressing Correa at 1 over Judge and Trout. Over Trout because of contract/age/projection, over Judge because of *production*, age, and projection.

phpope
9 years ago

It was a razor thin margin between Correa and Trout last year, but that because of very rosy +8 WAR projections for Correa. And he’s still got an uphill climb to get there this year, despite how solid he’s been the first

YKnotDisco
9 years ago
Reply to  v2micca

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soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  agingphenom

He’s clearly #1 in nickname trade value. “Angry Hamster” is just so good.

Zach Walters Appreciation Guild
9 years ago
Reply to  agingphenom

Jose Ramirez is going to be super-high on the list, but not #1. Zero chance of that.

It seems possible that he has a long-shot chance to crack the top 10. But his profile as a minor-leaguer is going to prejudice a lot of front office types against him, I think. Teams don’t give up much for light-hitting middle infielders, and while that’s definitely *not* what he is, it’s how he was perceived prior to 2016. I expect that plays a role.

Part 2 is track record. Jose Ramirez has a year and a half of being *astoundingly* good. Don’t think that’ll be enough to convince front offices to give up a haul for a 5’9″ player.

Though I might be mixing up scouting with phrenology here.

Slider
9 years ago

Jose’s contract definitely earns him a spot in the top 10 in my book. Don’t forget, he’s playing out of position at 3rd. If he played the last year and a half at 2nd or SS, he could easily have another 2-3 WAR.

bananas
9 years ago
Reply to  Slider

That’s… not how position adjustment works.

Slider
9 years ago
Reply to  bananas

he’s above average at 2nd and average at 3rd. If he played better defense at a harder position and maintained the same offense, would he not have accumulated more WAR?

Zach Walters Appreciation Guild
9 years ago
Reply to  Slider

He might have gotten injured playing 2B instead of 3B. He might not have developed into the same offensive player if he stayed at 2B. None of this is provable, but talking about what could have been for a non-Judge-division MVP candidate seems… a bit wishful, I think.

Is it possible he could’ve accumulated more defensive value at 2B than at 3B? Sure, I could hear that. That impacts 2016, certainly. And sure, you can’t just throw Lagares at SS on July 15th and expect him to perform the same just because they’re at the same place on the defensive spectrum. You’re correct that the defensive spectrum can have adjustment periods.

Ramirez *has* been above average by UZR at both 3B and 2B. So I’m not sure that there were any runs above average that *actually* disappeared. And if you’re saying he’s actually a better 2B than he’s shown in the majors – then we’re delving into the realm of hypotheticals, and back up to the top we go.

bananas
9 years ago
Reply to  Slider

First of all, the 2B and 3B positional adjustment is the same +2.5 runs – which is based on the fact that historically, players who have switched between the two positions are about relatively comparable.

Second of all, if 2B truly is the more difficult position, Ramirez would be compared to more talented players, making it more difficult to boost his value.

Realistically, he’s already projected for ~0.5 wins from defense this year. To achieve a meaningful difference in WAR, you’d have to believe he’s one of the top 2-4 defensive 2B in the league, who pick up ~1-1.5 war from defense. Anything less than that is a rounding error. Especially on defensive metrics.

Maybe he’s an outlier, but in reality he hasn’t even been a particularly good defensive 3B relative to his peers so expecting him to turn into an elite 2B seems like a stretch to me.

YKnotDisco
9 years ago
Reply to  Slider

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PC1970Member since 2024
9 years ago

I’m wondering who the highest ranked pitcher will be? Fulmer? 3 WAR last year, 3.1 already this year, 5 years of team control left.

Not sure who else has the record of MLB performance combined with so many, mostly affordable, years of control.

Max Power
9 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

I think Archer ends up the top pitcher with his contract, though Fulmer looks a lot better by RA9-WAR.

agingphenom
9 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Carlos Carrasco should be close to Fulmer in trade value, although he has 4 years of team control left. His club options will definitely be exercised. $9 million per year is extremely reasonable. Just like Jose Ramirez, even if you use an aging curve like this ( age in parenthesis): 0.25 WAR/yr (18-27), 0 WAR/yr (28-30), -0.5 WAR/yr (31-37), -0.75 WAR/yr (> 37) Carrasco is projected to be an absolute steal for the Indians.

rbirules
9 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Not saying he’ll be ahead of Archer, Carrasco, or Fulmer, but I think Carlos Martinez is in the conversation. 3.4, and 3.3 fWAR the last two seasons (4.0 and 5.4 if going by RA9-WAR), and has 2.1 fWAR this year (2.6 RA9-WAR). He’s in his age 25 season and makes $11.5M each of the next four seasons then has two option years at $17M, and $18M in his age 30 and 31 seasons.

He makes $13M more than Carrasco over the next 4 seasons but those are his age 26-29 seasons as opposed to Carrasco’s age 31-34 seasons.

Obviously the option years get discounted a lot in terms of net present value, and Martinez is not quite the value of Archer or Carrasco in the short term.

Max Power
9 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Of the pitchers remaining from last year there’s: Sale, Kluber, Archer, Carrasco, McCullers, Jon Gray, and Carlos Martinez (in order of how high they were ranked). Fulmer was an HM last year who should make it, but I don’t think there are any other new additions. Sale’s down to 2.5 years of control and Kluber’s the oldest of the group, but is controlled through 2021. Martinez has since signed his extension and should rise up (was ranked #50 last year). Carrasco, Gray, and McCullers have had injuries since then but only McCullers’ was an arm injury.

Archer > Martinez > Kluber > Sale > Carrasco > Fulmer > McCullers > Gray?

rbirules
9 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

You might have come very close to nailing it. #21-30 is out now. Sale>Fulmer>Carrasco>McCullers>Gray, with the first three listed still to come, so you just had Fulmer and Carrasco flip flopped.

james123Member since 2024
9 years ago

Interesting. Arenado is at 31 with 2.5 years remaining, while last year Harper and Machado were (I believe) 10 and 11 with the same amount of time. Is it the Coors stigma? The extra salary? Or is the talent gap between Arenado and the other 2 just that big?

bananas
9 years ago
Reply to  james123

The talent gap is that big. In fact it’s probably even bigger.

Harper was 23 last year and has a career 140 wRC+. That’s a top 10 bat in any given season. He had just come off a season with a 197 wRC+ which is the 40th best offensive season _ever_. His 9.5 WAR is also in the 99th percentile all time. You see some outlier names in that leaderboard (ellsbury ’11) but for the most part those are first ballot hall of famers.

Machado doesn’t have the same ceiling as harper, but a glance at his career shows that he is basically just a better version of arenado. Arenado has a solid bat, but machado’s has historically been ~10% better. Arenado is an elite defender, but machado is just as good if not better, including spending time at SS where the numbers grade him as even slightly above average. Machado was also 23 years old last year.

Arenado is a fine player, but he’s 26, hits at coors for a solid-but-unspectacular 110 wRC+, and has a lot of his value tied to his defense. I don’t understand why rockies fans keep insisting he belongs in the “best player*” conversation.

* non-trout division

bananas
9 years ago
Reply to  bananas

Sorry for double post we just need to pause at any opportunity and appreciate what we have right now. Look at this list:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=1871&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=14,23&filter=&players=0

Career WAR by players through age 23 seasons:
1. Mike Trout.
2. Ted Williams
3-17. A bunch of jamokes
18. Manny Machado.
19. Bryce Harper

OtterMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  james123

I think we can move both Arenado and Bumgarner off the 2018 list. (Joining Rendon and Bogaerts from yesterday).

Proswagonist
9 years ago

I know you stated Syndergaard can realistically be placed anwywhere on the list, but I think he should be ranked considerably higher. As an Astros fan, he is on the only pitcher on the list so far that I would trade Bregman (plus more) for without any hesitation whatsoever.

Smurrman
9 years ago
Reply to  Proswagonist

If you could get Archer straight up for Bergman you wouldn’t do it?

Smurrman
9 years ago
Reply to  Smurrman

Never mind. You said so far. Misread your post

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
9 years ago

I am confused concerning Jacob deGrom, who is one of the 10 best starting pitchers in the game, the article mentions that he has only thrown over 180 innings once in his career. That should be considered a positive, not a negative, because he should have more innings left than the typical 29 year old. One day we read that this guy or that guy has already thrown 200+ innings six times before he is 29 and we are told that is bad, then this time we are told that deGrom has only thrown 180 innings once and that is bad. Which is it? He made all his starts in 2014 and 2015 and his injury in 2016 was not of the TJ type. A powerful 6’4″, deGrom is very likely going to be able to continue his ace level performance more than almost any other pitcher.

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Quintana? His IP was considered a positive, not a negative.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

“That should be considered a positive, not a negative, because he should have more innings left than the typical 29 year old.”

I’m not sure we know enough about pitcher aging/injury/longevity to say this.

Thr33Rings
9 years ago

The G-men are never trading Mad Bum, he and Posey are the rocks of the franchise. This year is a fluke and I expect them to challenge for the title next season (EVEN YEAR BABY). This article is dumb and I cannot disagree with the author more.

swingofthings
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

None of these players are likely to be traded….that’s kind of the point.

diminishedsixthsense
9 years ago

fucking lol @ addison russell

Master Wuu
9 years ago

I am pleasantly surprised McCutchen’s name hasn’t shown up yet

james123Member since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  Master Wuu

Harper has the same amount of control remaining, and he was an honorable mention. Don’t hold your breath.

jpgMember since 2020
9 years ago

I think Syndergaard should be up higher. I think the Mets could extract full value even with the injury. I would agree with his placement if he had a major elbow/shoulder injury and was due back next spring or something. But it’s not that type of injury and he is expected back soon enough to where he could get several starts under his belt by season’s end. So he would be viewed as stretch run and post season contributor in addition to a long term anchor. I gotta believe one of the other 29 teams would say to themselves, “This is a generational type talent who’s not even 25 yet and is under team control until 2022. If he was healthy he would be virtually untouchable. This is our chance.”

Thr33Rings
9 years ago

I see don’t know why I click on the Fangrpahs articles when they are featured on my Bleacher Report’s team stream. I am a glutton for punishment because they are always sooooooo off base, yet I read them anyway. My guess is this is why Brietbart fans read HuffPo and vice versa. You all are so deep into the numbers you have taken away the human element from the game. Look at the Giants and the Orioles, you all trash the shit out of them yet they always wreck shop and throw wins on the board. Yes the Giants are bad this year but that couldn’t have predicted as they looked to be the most talented team in the NL.

egm
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

C’mon dude. I’m a Giants fan too, but there is no way they were the most talented team in the NL coming into this season. This is Fangraphs, not HomerGraphs. And the Trade Value series is great, always lots of fun to read.

Zach Walters Appreciation Guild
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

Nah, let’s hear this guy out. Tell me more about how the Orioles are wrecking shop.

phpope
9 years ago

The Orioles have won 100% of their games 47.7% of the time this year. And you can’t get higher than a 100% win-rate. That’s just math.

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

I found I don’t know why I clicked Fangrpahs items when they are in the program were presented at the stands in the Stream team report. I’m a masochist, because we are very close, even when I read them anyway. I think it’s because Brietbart proiitao HuffPo fans and vice versa. You are a very deep about the amount that the human element of the game. Watching Giants and gold, they’re all still devastated wreck of times and put it to the Commission. The Giants are bad this year, but it might be before they have the best team in the NL.

phpope
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

“I click on the Fangrpahs articles when they are featured on my Bleacher Report’s team stream.”

And that answers my long-standing question of how you came to fangraphs, and why you don’t seem to understand this community. (Which I’m confident in saying has a deep and abiding love for the human element of the game.)

Fan gaff
9 years ago
Reply to  phpope

“why you don’t seem to understand this community.”

I like this site too but you guys are worse than the LGBTQ community with this “you don’t understand us” crap. You’re a different kind of fan. we get it already.

phpope
9 years ago
Reply to  Fan gaff

It really has nothing to do with being a different type of fan; it has to do with discussing an article or a thought without resorting to hyperbole or vitriol and supporting an argument with thoughtful and considered evidence.

For example, I hate the Giants, but I’m not going to claim that Buster Posey isn’t the best catcher in baseball. And I won’t call you a moron if you argue that Bumgarner is as good as Kershaw; I’ll just know not to take seriously any of your other Giants/Dodgers related posts.

I also probably won’t use a comparison to the LGBT community as a pejorative. But that’s just me; maybe I am different.

Joey Butts
9 years ago
Reply to  Fan gaff

If you don’t want to read Fangraphs commenters saying Fangraphs commenter things, maybe don’t hang around the Fangraphs comment sections?

Also, that quote could have been said by anyone in any kind of community. Every community is different in some way. I know it’s kind of your thing, but don’t be a dick.

Joey Butts
9 years ago
Reply to  Thr33Rings

I love this goddamn comment so much I want to frame it. What could possibly be possessing you to repeatedly cross over from freaking Bleacher Report, of all places, when you don’t even LIKE the site? I mean, there’s tons of statistical analysis; it’s kind of dry. It must feel like a chore to read if this isn’t your kind of thing. The whole thing is so delightfully absurd.

White Jar
9 years ago

“since we don’t actually know if a pitcher can stay healthy throwing as hard as Syndergaard does every fifth day”

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1011348&position=P

EonADSMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  White Jar

Two things:

1. There is an exception to every rule.
2. Nolan Ryan’s arm was probably the most durable body part in all of sports. …and if that isn’t weird to say, I don’t know what is.

White Jar
9 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

I agree on both points.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

I’m sure Wilt Chamberlain would argue with point #2.

Psychic... Powerless...
9 years ago

Checkmate

Jasper FranciscoMember since 2017
9 years ago

“Scherzer is firmly in control of that [second-best-pitchers-in-baseball] title at the moment.”

Sale is way too close to say “firmly”.

swingofthings
9 years ago

Syndergaard, too, has a case. His FIP was a full run better last season, and though his FIP so far this season is obviously unsustainable, the gap has widened to 1.5 runs; the difference in GB% gives Syndergaard a huge boost relative to extreme fly ball Scherzer.

TKDCMember since 2016
9 years ago

I have these guys left, though I feel like #30 isn’t on the list and I’m just missing someone:

1. Carlos Correa
2. Kris Bryant
3. Corey Seager
4. Mike Trout
5. Francisco Lindor
6. Aaron Judge
7. Chris Archer
8. Trea Turner
9. Gary Sanchez
10. Freddie Freeman
11. Anthony Rizzo
12. Jose Ramirez
13. Miguel Sano
14. Corey Kluber
15. Mookie Betts
16. Michael Fulmer
17. Christian Yelich
18. Lance McCullers
19. Carlos Martinez
20. Paul Goldschmidt
21. Buster Posey
22. Chris Sale
23. Carlos Carrasco
24. Jose Altuve
25. Andrew Benintendi
26. Joey Votto
27. George Springer
28. Cody Bellinger
29. Marcell Ozuna
30. Wilson Contreras

Max Power
9 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

I had the same 30 except Conforto instead of Contreras and Jon Gray instead of Votto.

OtterMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Votto is 33 and owed $157m through the age 39… he’s not going to be on the list. Gray replaces Votto here.

I kind of doubt Ozuna is here, but you might be right since he wasn’t an HM. I don’t think I’d have him on this list as he only has two years of control left and meh track record. Is the power real? The HR/FB seem unsustainable to me. [EDIT: Conforto over Ozuna maybe?]

Max Power
9 years ago
Reply to  Otter

I’m not positive about this, but I think the Marlins bullshit demotion of Ozuna in 2015 got them an extra year of control.

OtterMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

Cot’s says he has two arb years left, so 2/$18? And considering the HR/FB rate of 27% this year, Conforto’s four years of control is move valuable.

Contreras is an interesting case. But he’s a good/decent hitting catcher with average framing numbers and five years of control; that’s pretty valuable.

Max Power
9 years ago
Reply to  Otter

Yeah, I definitely would have Conforto in. Contreras vs. Ozuna could go either way. Both were listed as HM last year with the caveat of a short track record, and I think both have overcome that.

TKDCMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Otter

I think Votto has a lot of surplus value. At the very least, he should have been HM. But he is severely underpaid now and I think he’s about the most likely hitter to stay elite late into his 30s. $25 million in 2023 will be about what you pay for 2 wins. I think Votto is 50/50 to get at least close to that at age 39.

Baseball Anagrams
9 years ago

2017 Anagram Value: #40 to #31

#40 Lards Delusions
#39 Nice Trade Erin
#38 Relax, Bang ‘Em
#37 Job Gram Code
#36 Tall Onion James
#35 Serious ‘N’ Evil
#34 Dr. Dragonne Say Ah
#33 Ax Schmerzer
#32 Dumb Reasoning Ram
#31 Noon Land Area

nickolai
9 years ago

I love you so much.

Ol Cars O Cars Car
9 years ago

Hope I make it again.

D.K. WillardsonMember since 2020
9 years ago

Good outline of the Bregman paths. I see five swing changes in past two years – he could be a “serial swing changer”. Unless he stumbles on the right change and hangs with it (unlikely), the projected WAR is far too optimistic.

jdbolickMember since 2024
9 years ago

I’m surprised that no one questioned the Inciarte ranking because it struck me as wildly optimistic. While Ender’s contract would be a “bargain” for a free agent signing, remember that it only bought out one free agent year while the other four years of the deal were arbitration seasons. Compared to other young outfielders still in arbitration, it’s a solid deal but hardly exceptional. And as you note, the market has proven time and time again that teams generally do not pay for defense, which is why the Braves were able to get him with Swanson. This past January the Mariners acquired a very similar player in Jarrod Dyson for the measly price of Nate Karns. Dyson is six years older and a free agent after the season, so Inciarte is unquestionably worth more, but there isn’t much evidence to support the notion that Inciarte on his current contract is the thirty ninth most valuable trade piece in major league baseball.

cdarcyMember since 2016
9 years ago

Why wasn’t Scherzer ranked last year?