2017 ZiPS Projections – Boston Red Sox

After having typically appeared in the very famous pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have been released at FanGraphs the past few years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Boston Red Sox. Szymborski can be found at ESPN and on Twitter at @DSzymborski.

Other Projections: Arizona / Atlanta / Chicago NL / Cleveland / Detroit / Houston / San Diego / Tampa Bay / Toronto / Washington.

Batters
The presence of Mike Trout in the American League renders Mookie Betts‘ (710 PA, 5.9 zWAR) odds of ever winning an MVP award in that same league lower than if Mike Trout were not present in it. This is what’s known in the life as “baleful reality.” That said, Trout’s mere existence doesn’t alter some inalienable facts regarding Betts as a player. Like, for example, how he’s projected to record a 20-20 season in 2017. Or like, for another example, how he’s projected to save 13 runs in right field.

According to ZiPS, Betts is the strongest of Boston’s field players. As for the weakest, this appears to be whatever’s happening at first base. The club recently signed Mitch Moreland (427, 0.5) to a one-year, $5.5 million deal — presumably with the intention of deploying him at first against right-handed pitching. Moreland’s forecast calls for him to hit roughly 10% worse than a league-average batter, though — which isn’t ideal at all for a club that otherwise possesses the requisite talent to win the division.

Pitchers
The top rotation of 2016 (in this case, belonging to the Mets) produced just over 18 wins as a group. The top rotation of 2015 (the Cubs) crossed just over the 19-win threshold. In 2014, it was the Nationals — also with about 18 wins. From this collection of three data points, one concludes that the league’s top rotation generally accumulates about 18-19 WAR. By comparison, one notes that the top-five Boston starters in 2017 are projected to record 20 wins as a group. Unsurprisingly, the addition of Chris Sale (199.2 IP, 6.2 zWAR) is largely responsible for that. Even the club’s “worst” starter, though — Eduardo Rodriguez (146.2, 2.2) — still profiles as slightly above average.

As for the bullpen, the departure of Koji Uehara represents a decided net-loss for the club. Fortunately, the addition of Tyler Thornburg (60.0 IP, 0.9 zWAR) appears likely to compensate for Uehara’s absence. The right-hander is projected to record the club’s third-best park-adjusted era (71 ERA-) behind Sale (63 ERA-) and closer Craig Kimbrel (67 ERA-).

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Bench/Prospects
It was almost certainly never the plan for Boston when they acquired him before the 2013 season that Brock Holt (463 PA, 1.1 zWAR) would receive something close to starter-type playing time over the course of three years. That’s nevertheless what happened. He’s likely to occupy a more appropriate utility role in 2017. Rusney Castillo (372, 0.8) isn’t technically a prospect, but he (a) remains employed by the Red Sox and (b) receives a more encouraging projection than basically all the club’s other bench options.

Knuckleballer Steven Wright (122.0 IP, 2.0 zWAR) was, by at least one reasonable measure, Boston’s top starter over the first half of the 2016 season. He doesn’t appear to have a role in the rotation at the moment, but he represents excellent depth. ZiPS doesn’t account for the particulars of Carson Smith’s (45.1, 0.7) injury. It does account for Smith’s almost total absence in 2016, though — and has assessed the club’s fourth-best park-adjusted ERA (72 ERA-) to Smith, anyway.

Depth Chart
Below is a rough depth chart for the present incarnation of the Red Sox, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player. For caveats regarding WAR values see disclaimer at bottom of post. Click to enlarge image.

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Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site and author’s own haphazard reasoning.

Batters, Counting Stats
Player B Age PO PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS
Mookie Betts R 24 RF 710 101 198 43 6 24 95 27 6
Xander Bogaerts R 24 SS 681 87 179 35 2 17 81 10 3
Jackie Bradley Jr. L 27 CF 564 71 128 30 5 18 72 8 2
Dustin Pedroia R 33 2B 580 66 153 29 1 10 56 6 4
Andrew Benintendi L 22 LF 535 62 134 31 7 12 68 13 8
Hanley Ramirez R 33 1B 533 62 132 28 1 20 86 9 3
Sandy Leon B 28 C 276 27 61 13 1 5 24 0 1
Christian Vazquez R 26 C 357 34 80 18 1 4 31 2 1
Brock Holt! L 29 3B 463 53 114 23 3 5 42 9 3
Matt Dominguez R 27 3B 543 55 127 24 0 17 68 0 0
Rusney Castillo R 29 CF 372 37 90 17 3 5 31 8 4
Chris B. Young R 33 LF 292 35 63 18 1 10 32 4 2
Jake Romanski R 26 C 315 27 74 16 0 3 27 3 3
Mitch Moreland L 31 1B 427 40 95 22 0 15 62 1 0
Pablo Sandoval B 30 3B 441 41 107 21 2 11 52 0 0
Sam Travis R 23 1B 368 38 89 20 2 9 40 8 5
Bryan Holaday R 29 C 206 20 46 11 1 3 24 1 1
Ryan Hanigan R 36 C 195 17 38 7 0 3 21 0 0
Jake DePew R 25 C 256 24 51 9 1 6 25 0 1
Dan Butler R 30 C 260 24 55 16 0 3 23 0 0
Aaron Hill R 35 2B 393 39 89 18 1 7 43 4 2
Rafael Devers L 20 3B 558 53 128 30 4 14 60 10 6
Jantzen Witte R 27 3B 418 38 94 27 2 5 38 3 3
Mike Miller R 27 2B 358 31 83 17 1 3 27 10 4
Deven Marrero R 26 SS 454 40 95 17 1 5 33 12 4
Josh Rutledge R 28 3B 287 30 63 14 2 4 23 4 2
Bryce Brentz R 28 LF 306 31 68 18 1 9 34 1 0
Junior Lake R 27 RF 377 38 78 18 2 9 36 10 5
Blake Swihart B 25 LF 342 37 78 15 3 5 30 4 2
Marco Hernandez L 24 2B 426 43 105 17 5 7 42 7 4
Cody Decker R 30 1B 400 46 78 19 2 18 56 1 1
Nate Freiman R 30 1B 359 33 77 17 2 10 41 0 1
Ali Solis R 29 C 177 12 33 5 0 2 12 0 1
Allen Craig R 32 1B 323 28 68 14 1 5 27 1 0
Chris Dominguez R 30 1B 378 39 84 18 2 13 46 7 4
Brennan Boesch L 32 LF 252 24 56 11 1 7 27 3 2

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Batters, Rates and Averages
Player PA BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA
Mookie Betts 710 7.9% 12.0% .197 .321 .307 .361 .504 .378
Xander Bogaerts 681 7.0% 17.9% .144 .333 .288 .343 .432 .339
Jackie Bradley Jr. 564 9.0% 24.3% .188 .315 .255 .332 .443 .334
Dustin Pedroia 580 8.4% 11.0% .117 .314 .291 .351 .408 .334
Andrew Benintendi 535 8.2% 14.4% .168 .307 .278 .341 .446 .345
Hanley Ramirez 533 9.9% 18.8% .191 .316 .280 .358 .471 .358
Sandy Leon 276 8.0% 23.6% .121 .313 .246 .311 .367 .294
Christian Vazquez 357 6.7% 20.4% .099 .302 .245 .299 .344 .281
Brock Holt! 463 8.0% 18.4% .106 .330 .273 .335 .379 .317
Matt Dominguez 543 4.4% 17.9% .148 .276 .250 .288 .398 .293
Rusney Castillo 372 5.1% 16.9% .110 .302 .259 .302 .369 .300
Chris B. Young 292 8.9% 21.9% .192 .282 .241 .316 .433 .325
Jake Romanski 315 3.8% 17.5% .084 .295 .249 .281 .333 .270
Mitch Moreland 427 6.8% 24.1% .171 .292 .244 .304 .415 .307
Pablo Sandoval 441 6.1% 14.5% .142 .287 .264 .313 .406 .306
Sam Travis 368 7.6% 20.9% .152 .317 .266 .323 .418 .330
Bryan Holaday 206 4.4% 21.8% .116 .299 .242 .284 .358 .279
Ryan Hanigan 195 9.2% 19.5% .093 .265 .221 .304 .314 .273
Jake DePew 256 5.9% 30.5% .123 .290 .215 .260 .338 .259
Dan Butler 260 7.7% 24.2% .107 .306 .235 .301 .342 .283
Aaron Hill 393 7.4% 15.8% .115 .281 .250 .308 .365 .296
Rafael Devers 558 4.7% 24.2% .152 .300 .243 .281 .395 .297
Jantzen Witte 418 6.7% 20.1% .120 .301 .247 .304 .367 .296
Mike Miller 358 5.3% 14.5% .084 .288 .251 .294 .335 .283
Deven Marrero 454 6.4% 25.6% .081 .300 .227 .279 .308 .268
Josh Rutledge 287 6.3% 26.8% .115 .324 .241 .298 .356 .288
Bryce Brentz 306 6.2% 30.1% .166 .321 .239 .291 .405 .300
Junior Lake 377 7.7% 31.0% .143 .315 .227 .290 .370 .298
Blake Swihart 342 7.6% 23.4% .116 .320 .251 .309 .367 .296
Marco Hernandez 426 4.2% 24.2% .119 .332 .261 .292 .380 .294
Cody Decker 400 6.5% 36.0% .209 .287 .213 .268 .422 .295
Nate Freiman 359 7.0% 23.4% .157 .284 .237 .295 .394 .298
Ali Solis 177 2.8% 30.5% .065 .274 .198 .223 .263 .213
Allen Craig 323 8.4% 23.8% .107 .300 .234 .307 .341 .288
Chris Dominguez 378 3.2% 30.7% .170 .305 .234 .265 .404 .291
Brennan Boesch 252 5.6% 23.8% .145 .288 .238 .282 .383 .289

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Batters, Assorted Other
Player PA RC/27 OPS+ Def zWAR No.1 Comp
Mookie Betts 710 7.4 129 13 5.9 Buddy Lewis
Xander Bogaerts 681 5.7 106 -3 3.8 Troy Tulowitzki
Jackie Bradley Jr. 564 5.4 105 5 3.2 Oddibe McDowell
Dustin Pedroia 580 5.4 103 6 3.2 Bill Madlock
Andrew Benintendi 535 5.6 109 5 2.2 John Kruk
Hanley Ramirez 533 6.4 120 -4 1.8 Geronimo Berroa
Sandy Leon 276 4.0 81 4 1.3 Dave Parrish
Christian Vazquez 357 3.7 72 4 1.1 Nelson Santovenia
Brock Holt! 463 4.8 91 -3 1.1 Ernest Riles!
Matt Dominguez 543 4.1 81 3 1.1 Blair Barbier
Rusney Castillo 372 4.1 79 4 0.8 Charles Thomas
Chris B. Young 292 4.9 98 2 0.8 Adam Hyzdu
Jake Romanski 315 3.3 64 3 0.6 Raul Chavez
Mitch Moreland 427 4.5 90 4 0.5 Daryle Ward
Pablo Sandoval 441 4.7 91 -6 0.5 Geoff Blum
Sam Travis 368 4.9 97 1 0.4 Conor Jackson
Bryan Holaday 206 3.6 71 0 0.4 Mike DiFelice
Ryan Hanigan 195 3.3 67 0 0.3 Rick Ferrell
Jake DePew 256 2.9 59 3 0.3 Alan Probst
Dan Butler 260 3.6 72 -3 0.3 Dave Parrish
Aaron Hill 393 4.1 80 -2 0.3 Keith Ginter
Rafael Devers 558 3.9 79 -3 0.2 Trevor Plouffe
Jantzen Witte 418 3.9 79 -2 0.2 Ryan Hankins
Mike Miller 358 3.6 68 2 0.2 Alex Prieto
Deven Marrero 454 3.1 57 4 0.2 Larry Klein
Josh Rutledge 287 3.8 75 -1 0.1 Nick Green
Bryce Brentz 306 4.2 84 0 0.0 Chris Maples
Junior Lake 377 3.8 75 3 -0.1 Randy Salava
Blake Swihart 342 4.1 80 1 -0.1 Roy Silver
Marco Hernandez 426 4.0 78 -5 -0.1 Ronny Cedeno
Cody Decker 400 3.9 81 1 -0.4 John Nelson
Nate Freiman 359 4.1 83 0 -0.4 Mike Bell
Ali Solis 177 1.9 30 1 -0.6 Dave Ullery
Allen Craig 323 3.7 74 0 -0.6 Chris Pritchett
Chris Dominguez 378 3.7 76 0 -0.8 John Cotton
Brennan Boesch 252 3.8 76 -9 -1.3 Dann Howitt

***

Pitchers, Counting Stats
Player T Age G GS IP K BB HR H R ER
Chris Sale L 28 29 29 199.7 226 40 19 171 66 62
David Price L 31 32 32 218.0 221 43 26 211 90 84
Rick Porcello R 28 30 30 195.3 159 35 22 196 82 77
Drew Pomeranz L 28 26 26 136.7 141 50 16 124 60 56
Eduardo Rodriguez L 24 27 27 146.7 125 45 19 149 72 67
Steven Wright R 32 21 18 122.0 95 42 15 125 58 54
Clay Buchholz R 32 27 20 126.7 98 40 16 133 66 62
Roenis Elias L 28 26 24 137.3 118 66 17 141 76 71
Craig Kimbrel R 29 60 0 54.7 80 25 6 40 19 18
Tyler Thornburg R 28 58 0 60.0 68 26 6 51 22 21
Brian Johnson L 26 20 20 98.0 79 45 13 104 55 51
Heath Hembree R 28 53 0 60.0 62 22 7 56 25 23
Carson Smith R 27 46 0 45.3 51 16 4 40 17 16
Joe Kelly R 29 60 0 60.3 65 25 6 56 26 24
Henry Owens L 24 29 29 151.7 136 96 21 153 90 84
Matt Barnes R 27 63 0 68.0 71 30 7 64 31 29
Robby Scott L 27 38 4 71.0 59 22 10 75 36 34
Noe Ramirez R 27 46 0 58.3 55 23 7 58 27 25
Robbie Ross L 28 46 0 51.0 47 19 6 50 24 22
Sean O’Sullivan R 29 23 23 125.3 77 40 18 147 76 71
Edgar Olmos L 27 40 1 61.7 54 28 8 63 32 30
Jacob Dahlstrand R 25 12 7 49.7 29 19 7 59 30 28
Ben Taylor R 24 35 0 40.0 35 17 5 43 20 19
Chandler Shepherd R 24 40 0 62.3 53 19 8 65 32 30
Kyle Martin R 26 35 0 62.7 59 23 9 65 33 31
Brandon Workman R 28 17 10 65.0 49 28 9 74 41 38
Mitch Atkins R 31 25 18 110.3 85 44 19 126 70 65
Roman Mendez R 26 43 0 58.3 48 27 8 61 32 30
Luis Ysla L 25 35 8 75.3 64 46 12 82 48 45
Williams Jerez L 25 35 0 64.0 54 33 9 68 37 35
Jalen Beeks L 23 25 25 124.3 82 50 24 148 83 78

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Pitchers, Rates and Averages
Player IP TBF K% BB% BABIP ERA FIP ERA- FIP-
Chris Sale 199.7 810 27.9% 4.9% .297 2.79 2.88 63 69
David Price 218.0 908 24.3% 4.7% .302 3.47 3.29 79 79
Rick Porcello 195.3 817 19.5% 4.3% .294 3.55 3.62 80 87
Drew Pomeranz 136.7 584 24.1% 8.6% .288 3.69 3.66 84 88
Eduardo Rodriguez 146.7 634 19.7% 7.1% .295 4.11 4.09 93 98
Steven Wright 122.0 533 17.8% 7.9% .293 3.98 4.30 90 103
Clay Buchholz 126.7 553 17.7% 7.2% .298 4.41 4.27 100 102
Roenis Elias 137.3 619 19.1% 10.7% .303 4.65 4.57 105 110
Craig Kimbrel 54.7 229 34.9% 10.9% .295 2.96 3.14 67 75
Tyler Thornburg 60.0 257 26.5% 10.1% .290 3.15 3.49 71 84
Brian Johnson 98.0 443 17.8% 10.2% .302 4.68 4.75 106 114
Heath Hembree 60.0 258 24.0% 8.5% .297 3.45 3.66 78 88
Carson Smith 45.3 192 26.6% 8.3% .308 3.18 3.19 72 77
Joe Kelly 60.3 262 24.8% 9.5% .307 3.58 3.64 81 87
Henry Owens 151.7 704 19.3% 13.6% .298 4.98 5.15 113 124
Matt Barnes 68.0 298 23.8% 10.1% .305 3.84 3.77 87 90
Robby Scott 71.0 310 19.0% 7.1% .301 4.31 4.33 98 104
Noe Ramirez 58.3 256 21.5% 9.0% .306 3.86 4.12 87 99
Robbie Ross 51.0 222 21.2% 8.6% .303 3.88 4.15 88 100
Sean O’Sullivan 125.3 563 13.7% 7.1% .306 5.10 4.85 115 116
Edgar Olmos 61.7 276 19.6% 10.1% .300 4.38 4.50 99 108
Jacob Dahlstrand 49.7 227 12.8% 8.4% .308 5.07 5.10 115 122
Ben Taylor 40.0 180 19.4% 9.4% .314 4.27 4.41 97 106
Chandler Shepherd 62.3 271 19.6% 7.0% .303 4.33 4.09 98 98
Kyle Martin 62.7 276 21.4% 8.3% .308 4.45 4.29 101 103
Brandon Workman 65.0 297 16.5% 9.4% .313 5.26 4.83 119 116
Mitch Atkins 110.3 501 17.0% 8.8% .309 5.30 5.19 120 125
Roman Mendez 58.3 263 18.3% 10.3% .300 4.63 4.74 105 114
Luis Ysla 75.3 354 18.1% 13.0% .309 5.38 5.51 122 132
Williams Jerez 64.0 293 18.4% 11.3% .306 4.92 4.93 111 118
Jalen Beeks 124.3 571 14.4% 8.8% .305 5.65 5.70 128 137

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Pitchers, Assorted Other
Player IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA+ zWAR No. 1 Comp
Chris Sale 199.7 10.19 1.80 0.86 151 6.2 C.C. Sabathia
David Price 218.0 9.12 1.78 1.07 122 5.0 Frank Viola
Rick Porcello 195.3 7.33 1.61 1.01 119 4.3 Brad Radke
Drew Pomeranz 136.7 9.28 3.29 1.05 114 2.7 Bob Ojeda
Eduardo Rodriguez 146.7 7.67 2.76 1.17 103 2.2 Jarrod Washburn
Steven Wright 122.0 7.01 3.10 1.11 106 2.0 Scott Kamieniecki
Clay Buchholz 126.7 6.96 2.84 1.14 96 1.3 Kirk McCaskill
Roenis Elias 137.3 7.73 4.33 1.11 91 1.1 Damian Moss
Craig Kimbrel 54.7 13.16 4.11 0.99 142 1.0 Ryne Duren
Tyler Thornburg 60.0 10.20 3.90 0.90 134 0.9 Rich Garces
Brian Johnson 98.0 7.26 4.13 1.19 90 0.8 Kelly Wunsch
Heath Hembree 60.0 9.30 3.30 1.05 122 0.7 Danny Kolb
Carson Smith 45.3 10.13 3.18 0.79 133 0.7 Francisco Cordero
Joe Kelly 60.3 9.70 3.73 0.90 118 0.6 Bryce Florie
Henry Owens 151.7 8.07 5.70 1.25 85 0.6 Brian O’Connor
Matt Barnes 68.0 9.40 3.97 0.93 110 0.5 Todd Wellemeyer
Robby Scott 71.0 7.48 2.79 1.27 98 0.4 Renay Bryand
Noe Ramirez 58.3 8.49 3.55 1.08 109 0.4 Heathcliff Slocumb
Robbie Ross 51.0 8.29 3.35 1.06 109 0.3 Tom Martin
Sean O’Sullivan 125.3 5.53 2.87 1.29 83 0.3 Ricardo Rodriguez
Edgar Olmos 61.7 7.88 4.08 1.17 96 0.1 Scott Wiegandt
Jacob Dahlstrand 49.7 5.25 3.44 1.27 83 0.1 William Cooper
Ben Taylor 40.0 7.88 3.83 1.13 99 0.1 Nick DeBarr
Chandler Shepherd 62.3 7.66 2.74 1.16 97 0.1 Larry Gura
Kyle Martin 62.7 8.47 3.30 1.29 95 0.0 Josh Perrault
Brandon Workman 65.0 6.78 3.88 1.25 80 0.0 Rafael Lopez
Mitch Atkins 110.3 6.94 3.59 1.55 80 -0.1 Nerio Rodriguez
Roman Mendez 58.3 7.41 4.17 1.23 91 -0.2 Mike Zimmerman
Luis Ysla 75.3 7.65 5.50 1.43 78 -0.4 Paulino Reynoso
Williams Jerez 64.0 7.59 4.64 1.27 86 -0.4 Jason Hill
Jalen Beeks 124.3 5.94 3.62 1.74 75 -0.5 Doug Lindsey

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Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2017. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.05 ERA and the NL having a 3.97 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.





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41 Comments
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MustBunique
9 years ago

“Brock Holt!”

Monday, December 19th goes to: Cistulli
Award given in the name of Steve Holt!

runfolkMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  MustBunique

Ernest Riles!

Cory Settoon
9 years ago

I’m not mad about E-Rod’s Jarrod Washburn comparison because it reminded me that Jarrod Washburn existed.

victorvran
9 years ago

thinking about benintendi as kruk(physically) makes me lol

Matt
9 years ago
Reply to  victorvran

Same with Sabathia and Sale.

Runaway ToasterMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Why? If Sale is as good as Sabathia was at 28-31, he would be a perennial Cy Young contender.

bananas
9 years ago

I believe they are referring to their relative size, not their relative performance:
Chris Sale: 6′ 5″, 170lbs
CC Sabathia: 6′ 6″, 290lbs

Shirtless Bartolo Colon
9 years ago
Reply to  bananas

Also,

Geoff Blum: 6’3″, 221lbs
Pablo Sandoval: 5’11’, 221kg

JimmyD
9 years ago
Reply to  victorvran

What the hell happened to Kruk? Too many cheeseburgers when they went on strike?

OtterMember since 2016
9 years ago

Can’t decide if the Red Sox are a case for or against the Astros trading for Quintana. On the one hand, it’d probably make them the AL favorites; on the other, if the goal is just to get to the playoffs, they don’t really need him.

0bsessions
9 years ago
Reply to  Otter

I don’t know that it necessarily makes them AL favorites. Current projections seem to square the Red Sox at about three wins over the Astros, which is a lot to make up from one player, even one as good as Quintana.

There’s no Zips in on Quintana, but he’s projected to provide 4.1 WAR by Steamer, so replacing what looks to be their fifth starter (A combination of Musgrove and Hauschild) with him puts the Astros roughly on par with the Red Sox.

Looking at it from more of a “probable on field outcomes” standpoint, I don’t know that the Astros have the pitching to be considered AL favorites, even with Quintana; I’d still take the Red Sox and Indians over them (The Indians currently project only a win behind the Astros and they’re clearly waiting out the 1B market, if they swoop in and grab Encarnacion with his market deflated, they may well have the inside edge).

Lou BrownMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  Otter

The Astros should only trade for Quintana if it makes sense from a value standpoint. Making moves in an attempt be the best team in the league (coincidentally like the Sox seem to be doing based on the moves of the past couple years) is counterproductive for the long term health of the franchise. Winning the AL West, which the Astros should do handily, has a far greater impact on their chances of winning the WS than making reactionary moves to try and “catch” teams they might face in the playoffs.

Brock244
9 years ago
Reply to  Lou Brown

Obviously the Redsox are tying to win, but most of the moves they’ve made have seemed to be pretty fair on paper, so I’m not sure it fits the bill of not making sense from a value standpoint.

Brock244
9 years ago
Reply to  Otter

Additionally, if they want to win a WS, we’ve seen how much of a premium pitching has in the playoffs. Quintana/Keuchel would be a nice 1/2 with their offense.

Petey BienelMember since 2019
9 years ago

Maybe the Red Sox can trade Noe Ramirez for a catcher and a swing man who put up 65 WAR between them?

Also, good to see Guapo and Bryce Florie associated with the Red Sox bullpen again.

IMW
9 years ago

Oh my…

TwinPeaks
9 years ago

So is Swihart not considered able to catch any more?

0bsessions
9 years ago
Reply to  TwinPeaks

The figures will have been based on what he did last year. Dombrowski has told Swihart to expect to be catching full time in AAA next season.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2016/11/blake_swihart_moving_back_to_catcher_as_red_sox_prepare_for

phoenix2042Member since 2016
9 years ago

So Hanley is expected to be a nearly full time DH? Quite a fall from being a (poor) SS just a few years ago.

Lou BrownMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

With the current roster it makes sense, but given how many inexpensive bat-only players are available this winter I expect they will do more than add Mitch Moreland. Hanley ought to be at 1B full time again in 2017 when all is said and done.

kbn
9 years ago
Reply to  Lou Brown

With Sam Travis waiting in the wings and ownership desirous of resetting the luxury tax penalty, I would be absolutely floored if the Red Sox added another bat. Short of something like Bautista or Encarnacion signing for one year at league minimum, it’s just not going to happen.

Moreland is really just a stop gap until Travis proves that he’s ready. Travis is already projected for a higher wOBA than Moreland with substantially better defense than Ramirez.

0bsessions
9 years ago
Reply to  kbn

Waiting in the wings might be a bit of a stretch. He’s performed adequately through AA, but he didn’t get much time in AAA before he went down for the year with an ACL tear.

Realistically, he’s an option for 2018 if he acquits himself well in AAA in 2017, but he’s not a guy I’d be apt to count on soon. His profile doesn’t seem to suit quality MLB player considering he hasn’t exhibited the in-game power necessary to keep pitchers honest with him.

Right now, his projection is honestly probably something similar to what Moreland is now.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
9 years ago

Buddy Lewis is a pretty disappointing comp for Betts, and to a lesser extent Oddibe McDowell for Bradley. Is ZiPS saying the Red Sox should trade them now at their peak value?

Lou BrownMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I wouldn’t put too much stock in to player comps like that. ZiPS just says that Betts’s age 24 season will be comparable to Buddy Lewis’s age 24ish production with adjustments made for league context, and it has no bearing on what Betts will be going forward. There just aren’t a lot of good historical comps for a 24 year old plus-fielding RF with Betts’s power/speed combo.

Jimbo34
9 years ago

It seems odd to say that Rusney Castillo “receives a more encouraging projection than basically all the club’s other bench options,” when Chris Young projects to be worth roughly the same by zWAR (0.8) in 80 fewer PAs, and actually played a role for the team last year, while Castillo played at AAA. Also, given that, why is Castillo projected to play more than Young?

Patrick LaMark Hawkins
9 years ago

Why does Brock Holts name have an exclamation point?

0bsessions
9 years ago

A looooooong running joke based on the similarity of his name to an Arrested Development character named Steve Holt who would pump his fists in the air and shout “Steve Holt!”

On the Red Sox forum I frequent, we’ve long since adopted “o/” as the sign for Brock Holt!.

0bsessions
9 years ago
Reply to  0bsessions

Thanks, HTML, can’t get the emoticon for it in.

wildcard09
9 years ago
Reply to  0bsessions

\o/ Need to use a double slash in the front or else it won’t show.

Spitball McPhee
9 years ago

#ShitTeam

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
9 years ago

2nd time that Tulowitzki has showed up as a #1 comp this year – he was Correa’s #1 comp as well.

kbn
9 years ago

I like the transitive comp that goes along with that. If Bogaerts is anything like Correa, the Red Sox will be sitting pretty.

DCE
9 years ago

Jeez, that pitching staff..

Sale – 63 ERA-
Price – 79 ERA-
Porcello – 80 ERA-
Pomeranz – 84 ERA-
Wright – 90 ERA-
Rodriguez – 93 ERA-
Buchholz – 100 ERA-

Kimbrel – 67 ERA-
Thornburg – 71 ERA-
Smith – 72 ERA-
Hembree – 78 ERA-
Kelly – 81 ERA-
Barnes – 87 ERA-
Ramirez – 87 ERA-
Ross – 88 ERA-

Is this what a juggernaut looks like?

Brock244
9 years ago
Reply to  DCE

Yeah they’re obviously a super good team on paper. Clearly the ALE favorites and (maybe?) the Al favorites although that depends on your view on the Indians/Astros (although at this point id say the RS project as slightly better than those two).

I still think they could use some sort of upgrade at 3B/1B, although what team is perfect now in days. Their pitching looks INSANE on paper. The fact that they have a projected 6 above average starters (including two of the best pitchers) is insane.

Jason BMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  DCE

If it makes you feel any better, Buchholz will probably have another 5.5 ERA after a(nother) spring full of “THIS is the year that he puts it all together!”

So, if he doesn’t measure up, they may win only 92 rather than 94? Hope springs eternal! (Also they’re not counting on him for much anymore.)

Boxkutter
9 years ago

Surprised to not see Ortiz. Dan always projects players into their first season of retirement.

nenrightMember since 2020
9 years ago

kind of surprised by the Sale projection. He’s only put up 6+ fWAR in one of his MLB seasons and usually hovers around 5. anyone know why ZiPS thinks he’ll have basically a career year?

Psychic... Powerless...
9 years ago
Reply to  nenright

ZiPS probably thinks he’ll benefit from improved defense and framing.

BobbyS
9 years ago
Reply to  nenright

To go along with an improved team behind him, Fenway should help him out some as well.

DCE
9 years ago
Reply to  nenright

Projecting his HR/9 rate to go down by the looks of it

Brock244
9 years ago
Reply to  nenright

Pitch framing. Last season Sale received one of the least amount of pitch framing help. According to BP (which uses framing in their metrics) he was actually the most valuable pitcher in baseball last season (they had him at 7 WARP).

Additionally, he has put up 6 WAR seasons in 15 and was on track for it in 14 too, so it isn’t crazy.

I probably take the under on the 6.2 WAR projection, but it isn’t unreasonable when you factor in the theoretical boost from framing + defense.

ektronMember since 2016
9 years ago

El Guapo could eat Tyler Thornburg. Good comp.

RadermecherMember since 2018
9 years ago

Kimbrel to Ryan Duren.
One off year does not a Duren make.