2017 ZiPS Projections – New York Mets

After having typically appeared in the very famous pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have been released at FanGraphs the past few years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the New York Mets. Szymborski can be found at ESPN and on Twitter at @DSzymborski.

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Batters
Only four Mets field players recorded a WAR figure of 2.0 or greater in 2016. According to Dan Szymborski’s computer, six different Mets might be expected to reach that mark in 2017. Yoenis Cespedes (596 PA, 4.1 zWAR) receives the club’s top projection by a full win — and three of the club’s top-four forecasts overall belong to outfielders. One of those additional outfielders is Curtis Granderson (538, 2.3). The other isn’t presumptive right-field starter Jay Bruce (583, 1.2) but rather Michael Conforto (558, 3.0). Conforto, in other words, appears to be a markedly superior option.

ZiPS doesn’t account for the nature of David Wright’s (331, 1.1) injury over the past couple seasons, only that he’s missed time because of it. Following two abbreviated seasons, Wright unsurprisingly earns a muted playing-time projection for 2017. The rate numbers are predictably modest relative to Wright’s best seasons. He still appears to profile as an average player, though, when he’s on the field.

Pitchers
The projections for the club’s most likely group of five starters don’t seem to be the sort one might expect from a team whose rotation produced the highest WAR figure in the majors last season. ZiPS has already called for the five likely members of the Nationals’ rotation to produce about 19 wins collectively; of the Cubs’ rotation, roughly 16 wins. Here: just 13. The principal causes appear to be both (a) general regression (which is probably inevitable for a team that finishes first in anything) and (b) the departure of Bartolo Colon.

With regard to the bullpen, it features something not unlike a relief ace in Jeurys Familia (76.0 IP, 75 ERA-, 1.0 zWAR), who receives not only the top WAR projection among the club’s relievers, but also the best adjusted ERA. Right-hander Addison Reed (69.1, 79, 0.8) also earns strong marks by both measures.

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Bench/Prospects
The Mets appear to feature a rather large collection of competent role players. Juan Lagares (364 PA, 1.5 zWAR) is coupled with Jay Bruce in the depth-chart graphic below, but is more likely to actually appear in center when he plays, moving Granderson over to right. He receives a +8 fielding-runs mark in center. Outfielder Brandon Nimmo (526, 1.8) earns the top wins projection among the club’s rookie-eligible players. The forecast for shortstop Gavin Cecchini (531, 1.6) is also promising.

Robert Gsellman (155.0 IP, 1.4 zWAR) earns the top wins projection among those pitchers not included in the depth-chart graphic below. His cumulative forecast is more promising than Zack Wheeler’s (97.0, 0.8), although the run-prevention numbers on a per-inning basis are nearly identical.

Depth Chart
Below is a rough depth chart for the present incarnation of the Mets, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player. For caveats regarding WAR values see disclaimer at bottom of post. Click to enlarge image.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site and author’s own haphazard reasoning.

Batters, Counting Stats
Player B Age PO PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS
Yoenis Cespedes R 31 LF 596 83 145 29 4 30 95 5 3
Neil Walker B 31 2B 521 65 123 20 2 20 65 3 1
Michael Conforto L 24 LF 558 77 125 29 3 24 80 2 3
Curtis Granderson L 36 CF 538 75 111 22 3 21 57 6 3
Asdrubal Cabrera B 31 SS 558 68 132 29 3 17 63 6 2
Lucas Duda L 31 1B 382 50 79 17 0 20 62 1 1
Brandon Nimmo L 24 CF 526 66 117 18 6 11 51 6 6
Kevin Plawecki R 26 C 399 39 89 17 1 7 42 0 0
Gavin Cecchini R 23 SS 531 65 128 24 3 9 53 3 2
Travis d’Arnaud R 28 C 363 43 82 16 1 10 36 1 0
Juan Lagares R 28 CF 364 39 85 16 3 5 30 7 3
Wilmer Flores R 25 SS 477 56 116 21 2 15 63 1 1
T.J. Rivera R 28 3B 532 57 130 23 2 8 53 3 2
Jose Reyes B 34 SS 456 59 112 19 3 9 39 16 4
Jay Bruce L 30 RF 583 72 129 28 4 22 89 6 3
David Wright R 34 3B 331 38 72 13 1 8 33 4 2
Tomas Nido R 23 C 374 41 80 18 2 9 43 1 1
Rene Rivera R 33 C 277 21 57 11 0 6 33 0 0
Travis Taijeron R 28 RF 469 59 83 23 2 17 59 1 2
Amed Rosario R 21 SS 513 49 110 20 7 5 44 12 6
Matt Reynolds R 26 SS 469 51 96 20 3 6 42 9 3
Johnny Monell L 31 C 375 44 82 15 1 7 42 3 1
Dominic Smith L 22 1B 553 63 132 27 1 13 69 1 1
Eric Campbell R 30 1B 387 47 79 14 2 7 39 7 3
Kelly Johnson L 35 2B 310 31 68 12 1 11 38 3 1
Roger Bernadina L 33 CF 340 34 63 13 2 7 32 9 3
Ty Kelly B 28 2B 438 50 92 16 2 6 39 4 4
Victor Cruzado B 25 LF 390 41 75 12 3 7 35 3 5
Xorge Carrillo R 28 C 295 31 58 11 0 5 26 0 1
Phillip Evans R 24 SS 419 40 93 20 1 5 37 1 1
Niuman Romero B 32 SS 365 34 76 14 1 2 22 2 3
Luis Guillorme L 22 SS 537 48 112 17 2 1 35 7 5
Raywilly Gomez B 27 C 185 17 42 7 0 1 12 1 0
Marc Krauss L 29 1B 337 37 61 12 1 11 37 2 1
L.J. Mazzilli R 26 2B 461 47 96 18 3 6 40 5 3
Jhoan Urena B 22 3B 403 42 82 17 3 8 42 1 1
David Thompson R 23 3B 418 46 89 21 2 9 47 4 0
Matt Oberste R 25 1B 457 48 99 19 3 9 47 1 2
Wuilmer Becerra R 22 RF 400 40 87 18 2 7 40 8 4
Champ Stuart R 24 CF 446 40 63 8 4 7 29 18 4

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Batters, Rates and Averages
Player PA BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA
Yoenis Cespedes 596 6.5% 21.0% .233 .290 .266 .317 .498 .341
Neil Walker 521 8.1% 18.0% .179 .288 .263 .329 .442 .330
Michael Conforto 558 9.0% 22.2% .215 .285 .251 .324 .466 .336
Curtis Granderson 538 11.3% 21.7% .195 .270 .238 .331 .433 .330
Asdrubal Cabrera 558 6.8% 18.3% .169 .292 .259 .316 .428 .320
Lucas Duda 382 11.8% 24.9% .235 .274 .242 .343 .477 .344
Brandon Nimmo 526 9.5% 23.6% .134 .316 .249 .328 .384 .316
Kevin Plawecki 399 6.3% 16.5% .110 .279 .245 .302 .354 .284
Gavin Cecchini 531 7.2% 13.7% .117 .292 .262 .316 .378 .305
Travis d’Arnaud 363 7.4% 18.2% .145 .281 .248 .309 .393 .302
Juan Lagares 364 4.4% 19.5% .109 .302 .251 .291 .361 .284
Wilmer Flores 477 5.2% 14.5% .158 .278 .262 .303 .420 .307
T.J. Rivera 532 3.9% 16.4% .103 .300 .262 .299 .364 .288
Jose Reyes 456 6.8% 12.9% .124 .291 .267 .316 .391 .314
Jay Bruce 583 8.1% 22.8% .193 .282 .244 .305 .437 .313
David Wright 331 11.2% 23.9% .134 .311 .247 .332 .380 .315
Tomas Nido 374 3.5% 21.7% .138 .264 .225 .254 .362 .266
Rene Rivera 277 6.1% 23.5% .115 .279 .226 .281 .341 .265
Travis Taijeron 469 10.0% 38.8% .190 .307 .202 .294 .393 .300
Amed Rosario 513 5.5% 23.8% .103 .297 .230 .275 .333 .273
Matt Reynolds 469 6.2% 25.4% .102 .291 .223 .276 .326 .270
Johnny Monell 375 6.7% 20.8% .110 .285 .237 .291 .347 .280
Dominic Smith 553 6.3% 18.6% .133 .298 .258 .306 .391 .300
Eric Campbell 387 10.3% 20.2% .116 .282 .234 .324 .350 .304
Kelly Johnson 310 7.4% 21.9% .166 .277 .240 .300 .406 .306
Roger Bernadina 340 8.8% 28.8% .126 .283 .209 .288 .334 .280
Ty Kelly 438 10.7% 17.4% .099 .282 .240 .323 .339 .299
Victor Cruzado 390 9.2% 26.7% .111 .282 .214 .288 .326 .276
Xorge Carrillo 295 5.8% 20.7% .097 .259 .216 .276 .312 .261
Phillip Evans 419 5.5% 20.8% .095 .292 .238 .282 .332 .270
Niuman Romero 365 8.5% 17.8% .067 .280 .232 .298 .299 .268
Luis Guillorme 537 6.7% 17.7% .049 .283 .231 .285 .280 .255
Raywilly Gomez 185 8.1% 13.5% .060 .289 .251 .315 .311 .280
Marc Krauss 337 11.0% 29.4% .159 .266 .206 .297 .365 .292
L.J. Mazzilli 461 6.9% 21.0% .099 .279 .227 .283 .326 .272
Jhoan Urena 403 6.5% 24.1% .125 .273 .219 .270 .344 .270
David Thompson 418 4.3% 24.9% .134 .286 .230 .271 .364 .275
Matt Oberste 457 5.5% 23.6% .123 .288 .233 .278 .356 .276
Wuilmer Becerra 400 4.3% 26.3% .113 .299 .230 .266 .343 .272
Champ Stuart 446 7.2% 47.3% .092 .298 .156 .224 .248 .222

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Batters, Assorted Other
Player PA RC/27 OPS+ Def zWAR No.1 Comp
Yoenis Cespedes 596 5.8 120 9 4.1 Willie Horton
Neil Walker 521 5.4 110 -1 3.0 Ken McMullen
Michael Conforto 558 5.4 114 3 3.0 Ryan Ludwick
Curtis Granderson 538 5.1 108 -7 2.3 Steve Finley
Asdrubal Cabrera 558 5.0 103 -9 2.3 Hector Lopez
Lucas Duda 382 5.8 123 1 2.0 Bob Hamelin
Brandon Nimmo 526 4.4 95 -3 1.8 Rich Becker
Kevin Plawecki 399 3.8 80 1 1.6 Jason Jaramillo
Gavin Cecchini 531 4.3 90 -6 1.6 Aaron Hill
Travis d’Arnaud 363 4.4 92 -4 1.5 Randy Hundley
Juan Lagares 364 3.8 78 8 1.5 Juan Beniquez
Wilmer Flores 477 4.6 96 -8 1.4 Mike Lowell
T.J. Rivera 532 4.0 81 2 1.4 Scott Livingstone
Jose Reyes 456 4.8 93 -9 1.3 Joe Stripp
Jay Bruce 583 4.8 101 -5 1.2 Garrett Jones
David Wright 331 4.5 96 -3 1.1 Billy Johnson
Tomas Nido 374 3.2 67 3 1.0 Walt McKeel
Rene Rivera 277 3.3 70 3 0.9 Nelson Santovenia
Travis Taijeron 469 3.8 87 2 0.9 Wes Clements
Amed Rosario 513 3.2 67 2 0.7 Carlos Garcia
Matt Reynolds 469 3.2 65 2 0.7 Travis Dawkins
Johnny Monell 375 3.6 75 -4 0.7 Ed Ott
Dominic Smith 553 4.3 90 2 0.7 Billy Butler
Eric Campbell 387 4.0 86 2 0.6 Chris Sheff
Kelly Johnson 310 4.4 92 -6 0.5 Travis Fryman
Roger Bernadina 340 3.4 71 1 0.5 Dann Howitt
Ty Kelly 438 3.8 83 -6 0.5 Todd Crosby
Victor Cruzado 390 3.0 69 8 0.4 Ntema Ndungidi
Xorge Carrillo 295 2.9 62 0 0.3 Pedro Grifol
Phillip Evans 419 3.3 69 -2 0.3 Tim Naehring
Niuman Romero 365 3.0 65 -1 0.2 Kevin Baez
Luis Guillorme 537 2.7 57 3 0.2 Mike Bordick
Raywilly Gomez 185 3.6 74 -4 0.1 Michel Hernandez
Marc Krauss 337 3.7 81 1 0.1 Jay Gainer
L.J. Mazzilli 461 3.2 67 -1 0.0 Doug Saunders
Jhoan Urena 403 3.2 68 -2 0.0 Scott White
David Thompson 418 3.6 73 -5 -0.1 Brant Ust
Matt Oberste 457 3.4 73 -1 -0.8 Scott Hodges
Wuilmer Becerra 400 3.2 66 -3 -0.9 Mauricio Nunez
Champ Stuart 446 2.0 30 -3 -2.1 Travis Ezi

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Pitchers, Counting Stats
Player T Age G GS IP K BB HR H R ER
Noah Syndergaard R 24 32 31 188.7 224 43 18 159 65 61
Jacob deGrom R 29 26 26 163.0 162 41 16 146 64 60
Steven Matz L 26 24 24 138.0 141 39 15 126 57 53
Matt Harvey R 28 23 23 141.0 112 45 13 127 64 60
Robert Gsellman R 23 28 28 155.0 124 47 18 153 76 71
Jeurys Familia R 27 76 0 76.0 80 28 6 63 27 25
Addison Reed R 28 72 0 69.3 77 17 7 60 26 24
Zack Wheeler R 27 17 17 97.0 85 42 11 95 48 45
Hansel Robles R 26 66 0 69.7 80 26 8 57 29 27
Sean Gilmartin L 27 35 15 106.7 89 33 13 106 56 52
Josh Smoker L 28 60 0 65.7 83 24 8 55 28 26
Seth Lugo R 27 31 22 131.7 104 39 20 133 72 67
Fernando Salas R 32 68 0 64.0 65 16 8 57 29 27
Jerry Blevins L 33 48 0 32.3 38 12 3 27 14 13
Corey Taylor R 24 49 0 58.3 41 19 5 58 27 25
Jon Niese L 30 30 23 143.3 102 47 21 151 80 75
Josh Edgin L 30 51 0 37.7 39 19 4 33 17 16
Ben Rowen R 28 48 0 59.7 41 15 5 60 28 26
Chasen Bradford R 27 56 0 70.7 53 15 7 72 33 31
Paul Sewald R 27 51 0 59.0 66 20 8 52 28 26
Kevin McGowan R 25 37 8 87.0 68 34 10 87 47 44
Jeff Walters R 29 26 0 26.3 21 8 3 26 14 13
Erik Goeddel R 28 55 0 61.3 61 27 7 55 31 29
David Roseboom L 25 66 0 66.3 59 29 8 63 34 32
Zack Thornton R 29 48 0 54.7 44 20 6 54 29 27
Chris Flexen R 22 21 19 100.0 68 46 13 105 60 56
Luis Mateo R 27 40 0 49.7 35 17 6 52 27 25
Ricky Knapp R 25 24 20 130.0 83 41 18 142 77 72
Duane Below L 31 18 15 99.7 66 23 18 110 60 56
Logan Taylor R 25 53 0 69.3 73 38 8 63 36 34
Tim Peterson R 26 37 0 48.7 54 18 8 45 27 25
Adam Wilk L 29 21 19 113.0 79 31 19 123 68 64
Jim Henderson R 34 40 0 35.7 38 17 6 35 21 20
Gabriel Ynoa R 24 30 25 154.0 87 41 23 172 92 86
Rafael Montero R 26 26 21 108.3 94 52 16 109 66 62
Tyler Pill R 27 24 23 132.0 96 42 20 140 80 75
Cory Burns R 29 40 0 63.0 46 20 9 65 35 33
Chase Huchingson L 28 35 0 39.3 36 30 5 37 26 24
Beck Wheeler R 28 43 0 52.7 59 34 8 48 32 30
Darin Gorski L 29 19 17 91.3 73 41 17 96 60 56
Josh Zeid R 30 28 8 68.0 56 37 12 71 46 43
Rainy Lara R 26 23 22 113.0 69 41 22 129 80 75

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Pitchers, Rates and Averages
Player IP TBF K% BB% BABIP ERA FIP ERA- FIP-
Noah Syndergaard 188.7 768 29.2% 5.6% .294 2.91 2.75 73 66
Jacob deGrom 163.0 676 24.0% 6.1% .286 3.31 3.27 84 78
Steven Matz 138.0 579 24.4% 6.7% .293 3.46 3.47 87 83
Matt Harvey 141.0 595 18.8% 7.6% .271 3.83 3.80 97 91
Robert Gsellman 155.0 665 18.6% 7.1% .287 4.12 4.08 104 98
Jeurys Familia 76.0 319 25.1% 8.8% .281 2.96 3.13 75 75
Addison Reed 69.3 285 27.0% 6.0% .290 3.12 2.88 79 69
Zack Wheeler 97.0 428 19.9% 9.8% .295 4.18 4.33 105 104
Hansel Robles 69.7 292 27.4% 8.9% .278 3.49 3.50 88 84
Sean Gilmartin 106.7 459 19.4% 7.2% .292 4.39 4.11 111 99
Josh Smoker 65.7 276 30.1% 8.7% .297 3.56 3.38 90 81
Seth Lugo 131.7 567 18.3% 6.9% .285 4.58 4.58 116 110
Fernando Salas 64.0 265 24.5% 6.0% .280 3.80 3.44 96 82
Jerry Blevins 32.3 136 27.9% 8.8% .293 3.62 2.97 91 71
Corey Taylor 58.3 252 16.3% 7.5% .288 3.86 3.92 97 94
Jon Niese 143.3 628 16.2% 7.5% .287 4.71 4.71 119 113
Josh Edgin 37.7 165 23.6% 11.5% .284 3.82 4.09 96 98
Ben Rowen 59.7 254 16.1% 5.9% .289 3.92 3.66 99 88
Chasen Bradford 70.7 299 17.7% 5.0% .294 3.95 3.70 100 89
Paul Sewald 59.0 249 26.5% 8.0% .289 3.97 3.78 100 91
Kevin McGowan 87.0 382 17.8% 8.9% .291 4.55 4.46 115 107
Jeff Walters 26.3 113 18.6% 7.1% .288 4.44 4.10 112 98
Erik Goeddel 61.3 266 22.9% 10.2% .284 4.26 4.00 107 96
David Roseboom 66.3 291 20.3% 10.0% .286 4.34 4.33 110 104
Zack Thornton 54.7 238 18.5% 8.4% .291 4.45 4.10 112 98
Chris Flexen 100.0 451 15.1% 10.2% .289 5.04 5.08 127 122
Luis Mateo 49.7 218 16.1% 7.8% .291 4.53 4.44 114 106
Ricky Knapp 130.0 573 14.5% 7.2% .293 4.98 4.84 126 116
Duane Below 99.7 432 15.3% 5.3% .288 5.06 5.05 128 121
Logan Taylor 69.3 309 23.6% 12.3% .296 4.41 4.40 111 105
Tim Peterson 48.7 209 25.8% 8.6% .294 4.62 4.40 117 105
Adam Wilk 113.0 493 16.0% 6.3% .291 5.10 4.93 129 118
Jim Henderson 35.7 159 23.9% 10.7% .299 5.05 4.67 127 112
Gabriel Ynoa 154.0 675 12.9% 6.1% .289 5.03 4.95 127 119
Rafael Montero 108.3 486 19.3% 10.7% .291 5.15 4.84 130 116
Tyler Pill 132.0 578 16.6% 7.3% .291 5.11 4.82 129 115
Cory Burns 63.0 274 16.8% 7.3% .287 4.71 4.63 119 111
Chase Huchingson 39.3 185 19.5% 16.2% .288 5.49 5.45 139 131
Beck Wheeler 52.7 240 24.6% 14.2% .294 5.13 4.97 129 119
Darin Gorski 91.3 411 17.8% 10.0% .287 5.52 5.52 139 132
Josh Zeid 68.0 312 17.9% 11.9% .291 5.69 5.55 144 133
Rainy Lara 113.0 509 13.6% 8.1% .288 5.97 5.72 151 137

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Pitchers, Assorted Other
Player IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA+ zWAR No. 1 Comp
Noah Syndergaard 188.7 10.69 2.05 0.86 129 4.7 Dwight Gooden
Jacob deGrom 163.0 8.94 2.26 0.88 113 3.2 Charles Nagy
Steven Matz 138.0 9.20 2.54 0.98 108 2.4 Steve Avery
Matt Harvey 141.0 7.15 2.87 0.83 98 1.8 Dick Ruthven
Robert Gsellman 155.0 7.20 2.73 1.05 91 1.4 Steve Fireovid
Jeurys Familia 76.0 9.47 3.32 0.71 127 1.0 Hector Carrasco
Addison Reed 69.3 10.00 2.21 0.91 120 0.8 Dave Schmidt
Zack Wheeler 97.0 7.89 3.90 1.02 90 0.8 Tim Leary
Hansel Robles 69.7 10.33 3.36 1.03 107 0.5 Bobby Castillo
Sean Gilmartin 106.7 7.51 2.78 1.10 85 0.4 Jeff Musselman
Josh Smoker 65.7 11.38 3.29 1.10 105 0.4 John Grabow
Seth Lugo 131.7 7.11 2.67 1.37 82 0.3 Ryan Franklin
Fernando Salas 64.0 9.14 2.25 1.13 99 0.2 Rusty Meacham
Jerry Blevins 32.3 10.58 3.34 0.84 104 0.2 Lance Painter
Corey Taylor 58.3 6.33 2.93 0.77 97 0.1 Ehren Wassermann
Jon Niese 143.3 6.40 2.95 1.32 80 0.1 Huck Flener
Josh Edgin 37.7 9.32 4.54 0.96 98 0.1 Arnold Earley
Ben Rowen 59.7 6.18 2.26 0.75 96 0.1 Casey Cox
Chasen Bradford 70.7 6.75 1.91 0.89 95 0.0 John Doherty
Paul Sewald 59.0 10.07 3.05 1.22 94 0.0 Gene Harris
Kevin McGowan 87.0 7.03 3.52 1.03 82 -0.1 Luis Estrella
Jeff Walters 26.3 7.18 2.73 1.03 84 -0.2 Gary Ross
Erik Goeddel 61.3 8.95 3.96 1.03 88 -0.2 Steve Wapnick
David Roseboom 66.3 8.01 3.93 1.09 86 -0.3 Chad Brown
Zack Thornton 54.7 7.24 3.29 0.99 84 -0.3 Cary Hiles
Chris Flexen 100.0 6.12 4.14 1.17 74 -0.3 Jeff Fulchino
Luis Mateo 49.7 6.34 3.08 1.09 83 -0.4 Bill McAfee
Ricky Knapp 130.0 5.75 2.84 1.25 75 -0.4 Nick Blackburn
Duane Below 99.7 5.96 2.08 1.63 74 -0.4 Brian Tollberg
Logan Taylor 69.3 9.48 4.93 1.04 85 -0.4 Eddy Rodriguez
Tim Peterson 48.7 9.99 3.33 1.48 81 -0.4 Jim Miller
Adam Wilk 113.0 6.29 2.47 1.51 74 -0.5 Dave Gassner
Jim Henderson 35.7 9.59 4.29 1.51 74 -0.5 Archie Corbin
Gabriel Ynoa 154.0 5.08 2.40 1.34 75 -0.5 Chris Rauth
Rafael Montero 108.3 7.81 4.32 1.33 73 -0.5 Carl Dale
Tyler Pill 132.0 6.55 2.86 1.36 73 -0.6 John Lackey
Cory Burns 63.0 6.57 2.86 1.29 79 -0.6 Jason Karnuth
Chase Huchingson 39.3 8.24 6.86 1.14 68 -0.8 Tom Doyle
Beck Wheeler 52.7 10.08 5.81 1.37 73 -0.8 Calvin Jones
Darin Gorski 91.3 7.19 4.04 1.68 68 -0.9 Dan Smith
Josh Zeid 68.0 7.41 4.90 1.59 66 -1.0 Chris Hook
Rainy Lara 113.0 5.50 3.27 1.75 63 -1.8 Scott Bakkum

***

Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2017. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.05 ERA and the NL having a 3.97 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.





Carson Cistulli has published a book of aphorisms called Spirited Ejaculations of a New Enthusiast.

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Brian P. Mangan
9 years ago

I’m not the biggest Zack Wheeler fan in the world but 4.18 ERA and 4.33 FIP would both be career-worst marks for him by a good margin. He’s a 3.50 ERA 3.77 FIP guy in his career. I can understand being bearish on his playing time but does ZiPS also project guys who have missed significant time to come back much worse? I suppose that makes sense, but still.

CosmoMember since 2024
9 years ago

Command takes a year or so to come back… I don’t follow him closely, but do the rest of his peripherals look normal, and the command is the difference?

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
9 years ago

He has thrown 1 IP in two years, its hard for a projection system to not discount for that kind of serious injury and delayed recovery. Its probably a hedge between him coming back Ok and never coming back at all.

GG_huson
9 years ago

I think this is the reason…it’s the distinction between ZiPS being a “projection” not a “prediction”

JediHoyer
9 years ago

Kind of confused how you single out wheeler who hasn’t pitched in 2 years when Harvey also projects to be the worst of his career. Just saying.

CharlieC
9 years ago

“Only four Mets field players recorded a WAR figure of 2.0 or greater in 2017.”
Don’t you mean 2016?

Baltar
9 years ago

Leave it up to Carson to come up with a great new pitching
stat: “per-inning bases”.
(I am not the spelling police; I just love it when a typo is hilarious.)

jrubyMember since 2026
9 years ago

It’s spelling entrapment, I tell you!

MentholMember since 2014
9 years ago
Reply to  jruby

Read him his Wrights.

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago

1. The rotation is by no means bad, but at the same time, I feel like anyone a few years ago who thought the Mets were going to be perpetual contenders because of their young, deep, rotation must find this disappointing. I will refrain from rehashing here the dangers of building a team around young flamethrowers.

2. I don’t follow the Mets so I don’t really know the story, but hasn’t there been an issue with the team jerking Conforto around between the majors and the minors, despite the fact he is clearly right now one of their better position players? If so, was there some issue between Collins and the FO where the former was refusing to play him, or only platooning him? Sorry, there is a vague jumble of words to this effect in my head and I don’t know if it is correct.

Steve Bob Polkmas
9 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Openly Biased Mets fan:

1. 2015 – WS loss
2016 – WC loss
2017 – ??? but certainly NL WC contender/2nd tier NL team

So as far as “perpetual contender” goes this is one of the best runs in franchise history. We’ll take it! Although, you can make an argument Cespedes and the resurgent offense carried the Mets to the WS in 2015. 2016 was a war of attrition in regards to the rotation. Depth pieces Lugo and Gsellman picked up for their fallen comrades in the final weeks of the regular season.

2. I would agree the jerking around is not good for his development. The fans (and ME!) want him to start. However, he did perform poorly after April. I do not recall any issue between Collins and the FO in regard to Conforto’s playing time. Collins was adamant Conforto would be platooned last year. Clearly Sandy & Co. misread the market for power hitting 1B/OF and are now stuck with Bruce. Early on in the off-season Sandy even seemed to signal Conforto would play more: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/sandy-alderson-michael-conforto-still-is-in-the-outfield-mix-1.12586800

BipMember since 2016
9 years ago

They were definitely a good team in 2015. My point is that around then, their future was considered very bright because of their rotation, which was obviously already good in 2015. I am looking forward from there.

However, looking more closely, my initial impression was probably wrong, because they led (basically tied) for the MLB lead in rotation WAR in 2016 and are projected to be 2nd in rotation WAR in 2017. In my defense, their WAR projections on this page are across the board lower than on the SP depth charts.

Collins was adamant Conforto would be platooned last year.

Thanks for the info. I think I may be remembering mostly Keith Law complaining that Conforto wasn’t playing enough.

jskelly4
9 years ago

That comp for Syndergaard is downright AWESOME!

Psychic... Powerless...
9 years ago

Willie Horton or will he not get elected?

Noah BaronMember since 2016
9 years ago

Some of these projections seem fair, some of them seem low. The projections seem way too low on a rate basis for Wright, Bruce, Harvey and Wheeler. I don’t necessarily fault the projection system for Bruce – they don’t use exit velocity data in their calculations – but Wright and Harvey seem like pretty clear cut cases of guys playing through injuries leading to poor performance.

Harvey has been a top 10 pitcher in baseball every year he’s been healthy. Pretty ridiculous to project him for a 3.83 ERA while also playing in the most pitcher friendly ballpark in the league.

Wheeler, as another commenter noted, seems to be docked performance wise for being hurt for a long time. That may be reasonable, but to be clear a healthy version of Zack Wheeler is a much better pitcher than the projections make him out to be.

Other than that the projections seem fair. I do think the Mets could pretty easily far outpace these projections, simply because a lot of players have seemed to make adjustments that have led to improve their performance. Walker has learned how to hit right-handed as a Met, which increases his offensive value dramatically. Cabrera has transformed himself into a legitimate pull power threat under the tutelage of Kevin Long (similar to Murphy). Cespedes seemed to become a more disciplined hitter last year, an observation that is confirmed by his pitch f(x) data.

If you see a few of these players through a slightly different lens, suddenly this is a very dangerous team. A team with an historically good rotation combined with elite power all over the diamond (with admittedly poor defense). Should be a tight race between the Mets and the Nationals. I expect both teams to win upwards of 95 games.

CosmoMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

Yeah, Harvey *was* a top 10 pitcher when healthy. But nobody knows what he *will be*. I’ve been searching for months for info and expectations going forwards, and there’s nothing. It’s not like TJ surgery where there’s plenty of data… Tyson Ross was let go because of the same surgery, because no one knows. We don’t have any idea until he starts throwing in Spring Training. It’s not ridiculous at all to project him for a 3.83 ERA when nobody knows how healthy he is, and nobody knows what kind of stuff he’ll have, or if he’ll still have the same command.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  Cosmo

I think the fans are being way too optimistic on Harvey and Wheeler’s health. Is there a chance they return to form, sure, but for TOS surgery the results have been bad and guys don’t usually miss 2 years with TJ and turn into a success story.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  Cosmo

Atually cornflake these projections don’t take that in to account. They take in to account he didn’t dominate the minors so it regresses his ml performance, takes in to account him missing 2 years and adds that he wasn’t good in his one inning last year.

CosmoMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

I’m confused, sounds like you’re talking about Wheeler… I’m just referring to Harvey, although I did talk about Wheeler’s command in another post near the top.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  Cosmo

O ye my b.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
9 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

You can’t just assume health. Wright has a chronic back problem. It’s not going away. Ever. There will be good days and bad days and DL trips. As for Harvey … if there’s one thing more likely to break than a pitcher, it’s a pitcher who’s broken before. I certainly hope he’s healthy, but any responsible projection has to take the failure case into account.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
9 years ago

Also I don’t really see any projections that seem too optimistic. I’d definitely take the over on the Mets projected W-L record.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
9 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

The excessive optimism, if there is any, is probably in the playing-time projections. I’d definitely bet the under on some of those PA numbers just on health grounds.

CosmoMember since 2024
9 years ago
Reply to  Noah Baron

You have to remember a projection is the most likely outcome, add 10 wins or add 10 losses and that’s the expected range. Projections will never be optimistic.

MrMet33Member since 2021
9 years ago

The first thing that jumped out at me was the regression for OBP from 2016 for a lot of players:
Walker .329 (.347 in 2016)
Cabrera .316 (.336 in 2016)
Reyes .316 (.326 in 2016)
Cespedes .317 (.354 in 2016)
Wright .332 (.350 in 2016 – and career .376)
TJ Rivera .299 (.345 in 2016)

I understand regression to career norms – but there was enough of a sample size for most of these guys that I find it surprising that patience was a outlier last season. Only Duda and Conforto are getting the benefit of the doubt for the other direction.

thetoddfather
9 years ago
Reply to  MrMet33

Some of this is standard regression, but there are other factors in play. Walker, Cabrera, and Cespedes are around 31 and should start seeing some aging effects. Reyes and Wright even more so – this is probably the heaviest factor in their OBP reduction. TJ Rivera only has ~100 MLB PAs, and while he has run pretty high BABIPs in the minors, his walk rate peaked around 8% right away and has steadily dropped since then to about 3%-5%.

Conforto has a bigger MLB sample size to go on, he has kept his walk rate around 10%, and his BABIP was uncharacteristically low last year. Duda looks to be benefiting mostly from positive regression, his OBP was .352, .349, and .352 between 2013-2015, before dropping to .302 last year.

I could probably take the over on Cespedes because I buy into his walk rate doubling last year. Might take the over on Walker too? But these all look pretty fair.

mr.met89Member since 2024
9 years ago

Lagares will platoon with granderson in CF, not in RF with Bruce. Gilmartin will not be a factor. They consider him to be their emergency starter and have used him like he’s their 4th best LHP in the bullpen (meaning he’s usually in the minors)

Chip LockeMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  mr.met89

The Lagares situation is noted very plainly in the article.

JediHoyer
9 years ago

Would guess this is the most volatile team in baseball. Not hard to see them fighting for 4th the division, not hard to see them winning it by 5 games.

JUICEMANE
9 years ago

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JUICEMANE
9 years ago

Tyler Pill, Comp= John Lackey. Ok that is quite interesting…would anyone consider a late flyer in a Deep NL only league?

Brian P. Mangan
9 years ago

Steve Avery as a comp for Steven Matz … =/

Brad
9 years ago

Surprised to see >500 PA for Nimmo. Why such a high estimate? Would love it if true, but seems like he is either AAA or a ‘AAAA’ player.

Dan SzymborskiFanGraphs Staff
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad

Straight-up answer: Read the disclaimer.
Sarcastic answer: I intended the projections to reflect the 398 game-season that MLB is implementing in 2017.

Brad
9 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Touche

rosen380
9 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

So, the play-time is based on the play-time for historical comps — so for example, Gsellman’s comps were generally regular starters, so he gets 155 IP, but since he figures to be on a pretty stacked team as far as SP, the depth charts have him much lower.

Would it be fair to take the depth chart play-time and apply that to the zWAR rates? Doing that for the pitching staff [Marcos Molina aside with no ZiPS projection, but only 20 IP and 0 fWAR on the depth charts, so doesn’t really matter], I get 17.1 fWAR

The depth charts have the Mets at 22.7, so a pretty significant difference.

Is STEAMER pretty significantly overestimating the Mets pitching? STEAMER has them in essentially a 4-way tie for second, but 17.1 would be pretty close to middle of the pack [unless STEAMER is overrating pitching value pretty much across the board].

I guess maybe the best answer is to wait for the last teams to get done and look at how teams stack up then…

rosen380
9 years ago
Reply to  rosen380

I just did the same for position players, and pretty extreme there too.

Depth charts have them at 17.4 fWAR; weighting zWAR to the depth charts PAs, I get 25.0

25.0 fWAR would put the Mets at a tie for 4th on the depth charts, where the current depth chartys have them at 19th.

Totaling the two up they are pretty similar overall:
STEAMER: 40.1
ZiPS: 42.1

Is it possible that something is up with the park factors used in one system versus the other?