2019 ZiPS Projections – Los Angeles Angels
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for more than half a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Los Angeles Angels, allegedly of Anaheim.
Batters
You may have heard of Mike Trout; he’s pretty good. I’m amazed that Andrelton Simmons still seems to be underrated by the media and fans. When was the last time a shortstop with a crazily hyped glove was underrated? You’d almost think that he was Adam Everett or Mark Belanger or Omar Vizquel when in fact he’d have been worth just under eight WAR over the last two seasons if he were a league-average defensive shortstop. Simmons has already snuck into the Top 50 all-time by my colleague Jay Jaffe’s JAWS metric, just a season from catching Dave Concepcion, Rafael Furcal, Vizquel, and the fringe Hall of Famer Rabbit Maranville. ZiPS projects Simmons to finish his career as the No. 14 shortstop by JAWS, just behind Derek Jeter and Barry Larkin, and just ahead of Bobby Wallace and Lou Boudreau. Andrelton is a superstar.
Albert Pujols is no longer a major league-caliber baseball player. He’s collected his 3000th hit and his 600th home run, but pretending that Pujols, at his best one of the greatest hitters of our generation, deserves a spot on the roster, let alone significant playing time, is becoming increasingly untenable. At some point, the Angels have to approach him with a plan to make as graceful and quick an exit from his playing career as they can manage, because in a world where the team was serious about fielding the best possible roster, they would be contemplating Pujols’ unconditional release. Even the creators of AfterMASH only needed two seasons to figure out they could only taint M*A*S*H’s legacy. The Angels have let three hitters go overseas this winter who project as more useful than Pujols (Jefry Marte, Jabari Blash, and the much-maligned Jose Miguel Fernandez).
I wouldn’t be quick to think of Shohei Ohtani’s offensive performance as fluky; in some ways, it’s just a natural power improvement from his previous year in Japan. ZiPS translated Ohtani’s final two seasons in Japan at .289/.356/.485, which looks a lot like his .285/.361/.564 with the Angels, with the power growth you hope to see from a talented young player with relatively few professional at-bats (he’s only at 1536 total now). ZiPS thinks he’ll have a lower average than in 2018, but he’s a real major league hitter.
Pitchers
If the Angels could keep all five of their starting pitchers healthy, the rotation would at least be acceptable. Problem is, essentially the entire rotation has an injury history, and many of its members have an extensive one. What’s frustrating about the Angels is that they have such highs in certain areas, but also several holes they’ve barely made a meaningful effort to go about fixing. ZiPS doesn’t see very high ceilings for any of the pitchers actually on the roster. If any team needed to go after Jake Arrieta last year or Dallas Keuchel this year, it’s the Angels. It would only take a few injuries for the Angels to have to turn to Dillon Peters or JC Ramirez (after he returns), which no contending team should be excited about.
Bench and Prospects
And here is why the Angels will fall short of the ZiPS seasonal simulation of the win total on their depth chart: the team’s plan B’s are absolutely atrocious around the field. The exceptions in the short-term are Jose Suarez and Griffin Canning, though I expect the Angels to give both a consolidation year at Triple-A (Suarez is still very young and Canning still has relatively little professional experience). Let’s put it this way: NRI Jarrett Parker is projected as the team’s fourth-best outfielder.
Things will get better. Jo Adell’s long-term projections are bananas, and the upside projections for Jahmai Jones and Brandon Marsh are at least…an apple? With a Brennon, two Brandons, and a Brendon in the projections, the Angels might as well sign Brennan Boesch to complete the set. The farm system has been steadily improving, but if the Angels want to stop wasting the prime of the best player they have ever had, and possibly will ever have, they really need to do better than dip a toe into free agency while they wait for the prospects to save them.
One pedantic note for 2019: for the WAR graphic, I’m using FanGraphs’ depth chart playing time, not the playing time ZiPS spits out, so there will be occasional differences in WAR totals.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site.
| Player | B | Age | PO | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mike Trout | R | 27 | CF | 145 | 495 | 105 | 144 | 26 | 4 | 38 | 92 | 118 | 134 | 25 | 5 |
| Andrelton Simmons | R | 29 | SS | 150 | 561 | 66 | 156 | 28 | 3 | 10 | 66 | 37 | 51 | 11 | 3 |
| Shohei Ohtani | L | 24 | DH | 120 | 330 | 56 | 89 | 19 | 1 | 20 | 63 | 37 | 111 | 9 | 3 |
| Justin Upton | R | 31 | LF | 141 | 518 | 76 | 122 | 23 | 1 | 28 | 85 | 61 | 180 | 9 | 3 |
| Zack Cozart | R | 33 | 3B | 90 | 339 | 48 | 84 | 17 | 3 | 11 | 36 | 31 | 62 | 2 | 1 |
| Jabari Blash | R | 29 | RF | 112 | 352 | 55 | 76 | 16 | 1 | 22 | 59 | 46 | 147 | 5 | 4 |
| Kole Calhoun | L | 31 | RF | 140 | 520 | 72 | 124 | 22 | 3 | 18 | 68 | 54 | 133 | 5 | 2 |
| David Fletcher | R | 25 | 2B | 128 | 520 | 57 | 132 | 25 | 4 | 5 | 44 | 25 | 65 | 10 | 3 |
| Justin Bour | L | 31 | 1B | 120 | 381 | 45 | 90 | 14 | 1 | 21 | 69 | 52 | 113 | 1 | 0 |
| Jose Miguel Fernandez | L | 31 | 1B | 114 | 416 | 51 | 108 | 19 | 0 | 12 | 47 | 30 | 52 | 2 | 2 |
| Jonathan Lucroy | R | 33 | C | 120 | 413 | 43 | 102 | 18 | 2 | 7 | 46 | 32 | 69 | 1 | 0 |
| Luis Rengifo | B | 22 | SS | 132 | 544 | 66 | 130 | 24 | 7 | 9 | 51 | 46 | 106 | 27 | 16 |
| Jo Adell | R | 20 | CF | 99 | 408 | 50 | 89 | 19 | 3 | 16 | 52 | 23 | 140 | 11 | 4 |
| Jarrett Parker | L | 30 | LF | 85 | 275 | 36 | 58 | 10 | 1 | 13 | 39 | 29 | 116 | 4 | 3 |
| Wilfredo Tovar | R | 27 | SS | 116 | 399 | 40 | 95 | 16 | 1 | 5 | 32 | 22 | 62 | 14 | 7 |
| Jefry Marte | R | 28 | 1B | 106 | 319 | 41 | 73 | 15 | 1 | 14 | 45 | 25 | 77 | 4 | 2 |
| Jose Briceno | R | 26 | C | 89 | 312 | 31 | 66 | 11 | 1 | 10 | 33 | 14 | 80 | 3 | 2 |
| Zach Houchins | R | 26 | 3B | 113 | 434 | 46 | 96 | 17 | 2 | 14 | 52 | 21 | 108 | 2 | 3 |
| Kevan Smith | R | 31 | C | 84 | 289 | 30 | 73 | 12 | 0 | 5 | 31 | 15 | 49 | 0 | 0 |
| Ben Revere | L | 31 | LF | 90 | 310 | 39 | 82 | 11 | 3 | 3 | 24 | 16 | 31 | 12 | 3 |
| Taylor Ward | R | 25 | 3B | 127 | 486 | 58 | 109 | 15 | 0 | 13 | 49 | 49 | 133 | 9 | 1 |
| Ryan Schimpf | L | 31 | 2B | 101 | 341 | 46 | 69 | 13 | 1 | 17 | 54 | 42 | 152 | 1 | 2 |
| Cesar Puello | R | 28 | LF | 90 | 315 | 41 | 74 | 13 | 1 | 7 | 32 | 28 | 89 | 8 | 4 |
| Dustin Garneau | R | 31 | C | 73 | 246 | 26 | 50 | 11 | 0 | 7 | 27 | 18 | 64 | 0 | 2 |
| Julian Leon | R | 23 | C | 70 | 243 | 29 | 45 | 9 | 0 | 8 | 27 | 27 | 97 | 0 | 2 |
| Tommy La Stella | L | 30 | 3B | 104 | 195 | 21 | 47 | 9 | 0 | 3 | 19 | 19 | 34 | 0 | 1 |
| Chris B. Young | R | 35 | RF | 75 | 181 | 24 | 38 | 8 | 1 | 7 | 19 | 18 | 50 | 2 | 1 |
| Michael Hermosillo | R | 24 | CF | 104 | 382 | 46 | 82 | 16 | 3 | 10 | 38 | 31 | 125 | 11 | 8 |
| Roberto Pena | R | 27 | C | 59 | 203 | 17 | 43 | 7 | 0 | 3 | 15 | 8 | 41 | 0 | 1 |
| Peter Bourjos | R | 32 | CF | 118 | 290 | 33 | 63 | 12 | 5 | 5 | 25 | 16 | 79 | 3 | 4 |
| Matt Thaiss | L | 24 | 1B | 124 | 516 | 59 | 120 | 24 | 4 | 12 | 56 | 40 | 123 | 6 | 5 |
| Albert Pujols | R | 39 | 1B | 114 | 455 | 42 | 110 | 16 | 0 | 15 | 69 | 26 | 69 | 1 | 0 |
| Sherman Johnson | L | 28 | 3B | 104 | 363 | 40 | 70 | 15 | 2 | 6 | 31 | 41 | 112 | 7 | 3 |
| Brennon Lund | L | 24 | CF | 106 | 441 | 47 | 100 | 15 | 3 | 6 | 37 | 31 | 126 | 16 | 5 |
| Jared Walsh | L | 25 | 1B | 119 | 456 | 53 | 98 | 25 | 1 | 16 | 56 | 34 | 164 | 1 | 1 |
| Jahmai Jones | R | 21 | 2B | 126 | 520 | 60 | 113 | 19 | 5 | 12 | 49 | 43 | 150 | 19 | 8 |
| Eric Young Jr. | B | 34 | CF | 122 | 388 | 44 | 83 | 13 | 4 | 5 | 32 | 27 | 94 | 16 | 6 |
| Bo Way | L | 27 | CF | 100 | 358 | 33 | 79 | 10 | 3 | 1 | 22 | 22 | 78 | 10 | 9 |
| Stephen McGee | R | 28 | C | 55 | 170 | 19 | 30 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 15 | 23 | 70 | 0 | 0 |
| Jose Rojas | L | 26 | 1B | 110 | 426 | 45 | 96 | 18 | 2 | 11 | 45 | 23 | 112 | 6 | 5 |
| Jack Kruger | R | 24 | C | 99 | 405 | 39 | 88 | 15 | 1 | 5 | 30 | 24 | 100 | 7 | 4 |
| Brandon Marsh | L | 21 | CF | 119 | 499 | 56 | 103 | 19 | 4 | 11 | 49 | 44 | 191 | 10 | 5 |
| Connor Justus | R | 24 | SS | 118 | 428 | 44 | 75 | 13 | 2 | 6 | 30 | 44 | 142 | 6 | 7 |
| David MacKinnon | R | 24 | 1B | 117 | 423 | 50 | 85 | 17 | 1 | 5 | 33 | 60 | 127 | 0 | 0 |
| Roberto Baldoquin | R | 25 | SS | 81 | 302 | 24 | 60 | 7 | 2 | 2 | 20 | 15 | 92 | 4 | 5 |
| Brandon Sandoval | R | 24 | RF | 101 | 383 | 37 | 85 | 10 | 2 | 3 | 24 | 25 | 105 | 14 | 10 |
| Brendon Sanger | L | 25 | RF | 106 | 379 | 41 | 76 | 15 | 1 | 8 | 35 | 41 | 121 | 4 | 3 |
| Player | PA | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mike Trout | 628 | .291 | .433 | .590 | 180 | .299 | .328 | 10.1 | 1 | 8.3 | Willie Mays |
| Andrelton Simmons | 608 | .278 | .325 | .392 | 97 | .114 | .292 | 4.9 | 17 | 4.2 | Luke Appling |
| Shohei Ohtani | 370 | .270 | .343 | .515 | 133 | .245 | .347 | 6.6 | 0 | 2.2 | Carlos May |
| Justin Upton | 588 | .236 | .321 | .446 | 109 | .210 | .303 | 5.1 | 1 | 2.1 | Bob Bailey |
| Zack Cozart | 378 | .248 | .315 | .413 | 99 | .165 | .274 | 4.7 | 3 | 1.5 | Rick Schu |
| Jabari Blash | 407 | .216 | .317 | .455 | 110 | .239 | .295 | 4.9 | 1 | 1.5 | Karl Pagel |
| Kole Calhoun | 583 | .238 | .312 | .396 | 94 | .158 | .287 | 4.4 | 5 | 1.4 | Jacque Jones |
| David Fletcher | 556 | .254 | .293 | .346 | 76 | .092 | .282 | 3.8 | 7 | 1.2 | Alberto Gonzalez |
| Justin Bour | 437 | .236 | .327 | .444 | 111 | .207 | .279 | 5.2 | -2 | 1.1 | Paul Sorrento |
| Jose Miguel Fernandez | 453 | .260 | .316 | .392 | 95 | .132 | .273 | 4.5 | 3 | 0.7 | Jim Bowie |
| Jonathan Lucroy | 455 | .247 | .304 | .351 | 81 | .104 | .282 | 3.9 | -2 | 0.7 | Tony Pena |
| Luis Rengifo | 601 | .239 | .306 | .358 | 83 | .119 | .282 | 3.8 | -6 | 0.6 | D’Angelo Jimenez |
| Jo Adell | 439 | .218 | .269 | .397 | 81 | .179 | .290 | 3.8 | 0 | 0.5 | Matt Kemp |
| Jarrett Parker | 308 | .211 | .292 | .396 | 88 | .185 | .308 | 3.9 | 2 | 0.4 | Damon Mashore |
| Wilfredo Tovar | 427 | .238 | .280 | .321 | 66 | .083 | .271 | 3.2 | 4 | 0.3 | Alex Prieto |
| Jefry Marte | 351 | .229 | .293 | .414 | 93 | .185 | .259 | 4.3 | -1 | 0.3 | Ricky Freeman |
| Jose Briceno | 330 | .212 | .246 | .349 | 62 | .138 | .252 | 2.9 | 4 | 0.3 | Jim Horner |
| Zach Houchins | 461 | .221 | .260 | .366 | 71 | .145 | .263 | 3.2 | 5 | 0.2 | Clay Bellinger |
| Kevan Smith | 313 | .253 | .298 | .346 | 78 | .093 | .289 | 3.7 | -3 | 0.2 | Joe Azcue |
| Ben Revere | 330 | .265 | .301 | .348 | 79 | .084 | .286 | 4.1 | 2 | 0.1 | Tike Redman |
| Taylor Ward | 543 | .224 | .299 | .335 | 76 | .111 | .282 | 3.6 | -4 | 0.0 | Carlos Villalobos |
| Ryan Schimpf | 391 | .202 | .297 | .396 | 89 | .194 | .302 | 3.9 | -9 | 0.0 | Shanie Dugas |
| Cesar Puello | 359 | .235 | .316 | .349 | 84 | .114 | .306 | 3.9 | -2 | -0.1 | Domingo Michel |
| Dustin Garneau | 271 | .203 | .263 | .333 | 64 | .130 | .246 | 2.8 | 0 | -0.1 | Chad Moeller |
| Julian Leon | 280 | .185 | .282 | .321 | 67 | .136 | .268 | 2.8 | -2 | -0.1 | Nicholas Derba |
| Tommy La Stella | 217 | .241 | .313 | .333 | 80 | .092 | .278 | 3.6 | -4 | -0.2 | Johnny Burnett |
| Chris B. Young | 203 | .210 | .287 | .381 | 83 | .171 | .250 | 3.7 | -2 | -0.2 | Mike Devereaux |
| Michael Hermosillo | 432 | .215 | .290 | .351 | 76 | .136 | .291 | 3.4 | -4 | -0.2 | Xavier Paul |
| Roberto Pena | 216 | .212 | .248 | .291 | 49 | .079 | .252 | 2.4 | 3 | -0.2 | Pedro Grifol |
| Peter Bourjos | 312 | .217 | .265 | .345 | 67 | .128 | .282 | 3.0 | 1 | -0.2 | Dewayne Wise |
| Matt Thaiss | 564 | .233 | .291 | .364 | 80 | .132 | .283 | 3.6 | 2 | -0.4 | Willie Upshaw |
| Albert Pujols | 486 | .242 | .284 | .376 | 81 | .134 | .256 | 3.8 | 0 | -0.4 | Ray Knight |
| Sherman Johnson | 411 | .193 | .279 | .295 | 59 | .102 | .261 | 2.8 | 0 | -0.5 | Mike Hickey |
| Brennon Lund | 482 | .227 | .285 | .315 | 66 | .088 | .304 | 3.3 | -4 | -0.5 | Chris Duffy |
| Jared Walsh | 498 | .215 | .272 | .379 | 78 | .164 | .297 | 3.5 | 1 | -0.5 | Jay Kirkpatrick |
| Jahmai Jones | 572 | .217 | .282 | .342 | 72 | .125 | .282 | 3.4 | -8 | -0.6 | Desi Relaford |
| Eric Young Jr. | 425 | .214 | .271 | .307 | 60 | .093 | .270 | 3.0 | -1 | -0.6 | Calvin Murray |
| Bo Way | 392 | .221 | .275 | .274 | 53 | .053 | .280 | 2.4 | 4 | -0.7 | Anthony Iapoce |
| Stephen McGee | 196 | .176 | .281 | .288 | 58 | .112 | .271 | 2.7 | -6 | -0.7 | Jeff Ontiveros |
| Jose Rojas | 455 | .225 | .267 | .354 | 70 | .129 | .281 | 3.2 | 4 | -0.7 | Larry Barnes |
| Jack Kruger | 435 | .217 | .267 | .296 | 56 | .079 | .277 | 2.7 | -2 | -0.7 | Mike Knapp |
| Brandon Marsh | 547 | .206 | .272 | .327 | 65 | .120 | .310 | 3.0 | -2 | -0.7 | Xavier Paul |
| Connor Justus | 487 | .175 | .267 | .257 | 46 | .082 | .246 | 2.1 | 3 | -0.9 | Niuman Romero |
| David MacKinnon | 494 | .201 | .306 | .281 | 65 | .080 | .275 | 2.9 | -1 | -1.1 | Dustin Yount |
| Roberto Baldoquin | 324 | .199 | .242 | .255 | 38 | .056 | .279 | 1.9 | 1 | -1.2 | Jason Bowers |
| Brandon Sandoval | 413 | .222 | .272 | .282 | 54 | .060 | .298 | 2.5 | 2 | -1.4 | Brent Bish |
| Brendon Sanger | 426 | .201 | .282 | .309 | 64 | .108 | .272 | 2.9 | -7 | -1.7 | Alex Miranda |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Andrew Heaney | L | 28 | 10 | 8 | 3.95 | 28 | 28 | 161.7 | 163 | 71 | 23 | 38 | 148 |
| Tyler Skaggs | L | 27 | 8 | 7 | 3.94 | 22 | 22 | 112.0 | 113 | 49 | 12 | 36 | 100 |
| Jose Suarez | L | 21 | 5 | 5 | 4.18 | 26 | 26 | 116.3 | 110 | 54 | 16 | 46 | 115 |
| Jaime Barria | R | 22 | 10 | 9 | 4.39 | 31 | 31 | 145.7 | 151 | 71 | 20 | 46 | 106 |
| Griffin Canning | R | 23 | 8 | 7 | 4.33 | 23 | 23 | 114.3 | 111 | 55 | 14 | 47 | 99 |
| Shohei Ohtani | R | 24 | 6 | 5 | 3.79 | 15 | 15 | 78.3 | 67 | 33 | 9 | 36 | 94 |
| Cody Allen | R | 30 | 5 | 4 | 3.50 | 66 | 0 | 64.3 | 53 | 25 | 7 | 26 | 74 |
| Trevor Cahill | R | 31 | 8 | 8 | 4.28 | 22 | 22 | 111.3 | 108 | 53 | 15 | 47 | 96 |
| Matt Harvey | R | 30 | 7 | 8 | 4.56 | 27 | 24 | 132.3 | 144 | 67 | 21 | 30 | 101 |
| Ty Buttrey | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 3.88 | 49 | 2 | 67.3 | 61 | 29 | 6 | 32 | 71 |
| John Lamb | L | 28 | 4 | 4 | 4.63 | 19 | 19 | 83.7 | 89 | 43 | 13 | 30 | 74 |
| Patrick Sandoval | L | 22 | 5 | 6 | 4.75 | 24 | 19 | 102.3 | 103 | 54 | 16 | 45 | 90 |
| Cam Bedrosian | R | 27 | 5 | 5 | 3.88 | 67 | 0 | 60.3 | 59 | 26 | 7 | 22 | 56 |
| Alex Meyer | R | 29 | 4 | 4 | 4.43 | 16 | 11 | 63.0 | 59 | 31 | 7 | 34 | 62 |
| Felix Pena | R | 29 | 5 | 6 | 4.73 | 24 | 22 | 123.7 | 129 | 65 | 20 | 45 | 112 |
| Luis Garcia | R | 32 | 3 | 3 | 3.81 | 63 | 0 | 56.7 | 56 | 24 | 4 | 23 | 51 |
| Dillon Peters | L | 26 | 7 | 9 | 4.74 | 24 | 22 | 117.7 | 133 | 62 | 16 | 38 | 77 |
| Justin Anderson | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.10 | 61 | 0 | 63.7 | 57 | 29 | 6 | 38 | 68 |
| Taylor Cole | R | 29 | 3 | 3 | 4.19 | 53 | 0 | 73.0 | 68 | 34 | 10 | 33 | 73 |
| Noe Ramirez | R | 29 | 5 | 5 | 4.19 | 61 | 0 | 73.0 | 68 | 34 | 11 | 28 | 77 |
| Ivan Pineyro | R | 27 | 6 | 7 | 4.81 | 25 | 19 | 116.0 | 128 | 62 | 18 | 31 | 83 |
| Joe Gatto | R | 24 | 6 | 8 | 5.00 | 25 | 25 | 113.3 | 123 | 63 | 10 | 67 | 67 |
| Matt Ramsey | R | 29 | 3 | 2 | 4.08 | 39 | 1 | 46.3 | 44 | 21 | 5 | 20 | 45 |
| Blake Wood | R | 33 | 3 | 3 | 3.95 | 52 | 0 | 54.7 | 53 | 24 | 5 | 24 | 52 |
| Jim Johnson | R | 36 | 4 | 3 | 4.03 | 59 | 0 | 58.0 | 60 | 26 | 5 | 19 | 44 |
| Hansel Robles | R | 28 | 4 | 4 | 4.17 | 63 | 0 | 69.0 | 65 | 32 | 9 | 31 | 67 |
| Nick Tropeano | R | 28 | 5 | 7 | 4.98 | 17 | 17 | 86.7 | 92 | 48 | 16 | 35 | 74 |
| John Curtiss | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.30 | 48 | 0 | 60.7 | 56 | 29 | 7 | 31 | 60 |
| JC Ramirez | R | 30 | 7 | 9 | 4.94 | 22 | 22 | 125.7 | 137 | 69 | 20 | 46 | 87 |
| Dylan Unsworth | R | 26 | 5 | 7 | 5.07 | 22 | 16 | 103.0 | 120 | 58 | 18 | 21 | 59 |
| Keynan Middleton | R | 25 | 2 | 2 | 4.24 | 50 | 0 | 51.0 | 49 | 24 | 7 | 22 | 51 |
| Jeremy Rhoades | R | 26 | 6 | 7 | 4.52 | 52 | 0 | 71.7 | 77 | 36 | 10 | 22 | 52 |
| Miguel Almonte | R | 26 | 3 | 4 | 5.25 | 32 | 9 | 58.3 | 61 | 34 | 9 | 30 | 49 |
| Junichi Tazawa | R | 33 | 2 | 3 | 4.94 | 48 | 0 | 47.3 | 51 | 26 | 8 | 17 | 40 |
| Deck McGuire | R | 30 | 6 | 8 | 5.22 | 31 | 19 | 110.3 | 116 | 64 | 20 | 48 | 90 |
| Akeel Morris | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.82 | 50 | 0 | 61.7 | 60 | 33 | 7 | 38 | 56 |
| Luis Madero | R | 22 | 5 | 7 | 5.31 | 22 | 22 | 98.3 | 114 | 58 | 17 | 32 | 60 |
| Jesus Castillo | R | 23 | 6 | 9 | 5.31 | 23 | 22 | 101.7 | 119 | 60 | 17 | 34 | 56 |
| Ralston Cash | R | 27 | 4 | 6 | 4.92 | 46 | 0 | 64.0 | 64 | 35 | 9 | 36 | 60 |
| Williams Jerez | L | 27 | 2 | 3 | 5.06 | 50 | 0 | 69.3 | 72 | 39 | 11 | 34 | 64 |
| Zac Ryan | R | 25 | 4 | 5 | 4.95 | 40 | 0 | 63.7 | 64 | 35 | 6 | 44 | 50 |
| Jake Jewell | R | 26 | 3 | 4 | 5.17 | 50 | 0 | 54.0 | 59 | 31 | 8 | 28 | 39 |
| Daniel Procopio | R | 23 | 2 | 2 | 5.40 | 37 | 0 | 53.3 | 50 | 32 | 6 | 46 | 53 |
| Forrest Snow | R | 30 | 5 | 8 | 5.69 | 27 | 17 | 104.3 | 119 | 66 | 24 | 35 | 82 |
| Osmer Morales | R | 26 | 4 | 6 | 5.82 | 26 | 20 | 102.0 | 114 | 66 | 21 | 49 | 80 |
| Luis Pena | R | 23 | 6 | 9 | 6.03 | 24 | 24 | 109.0 | 120 | 73 | 21 | 66 | 88 |
| Ryan Clark | R | 25 | 4 | 7 | 6.39 | 39 | 7 | 76.0 | 90 | 54 | 18 | 37 | 58 |
| Player | TBF | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | FIP | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Andrew Heaney | 682 | 8.24 | 2.12 | 1.28 | .300 | 105 | 95 | 4.00 | 2.5 | Mark Redman |
| Tyler Skaggs | 483 | 8.04 | 2.89 | 0.96 | .307 | 106 | 95 | 3.88 | 1.7 | Steve Trout |
| Jose Suarez | 503 | 8.90 | 3.56 | 1.24 | .294 | 100 | 100 | 4.30 | 1.5 | Bill Pulsipher |
| Jaime Barria | 630 | 6.55 | 2.84 | 1.24 | .290 | 95 | 105 | 4.57 | 1.5 | Don Welchel |
| Griffin Canning | 504 | 7.79 | 3.70 | 1.10 | .291 | 96 | 104 | 4.53 | 1.3 | Walt Terrell |
| Shohei Ohtani | 335 | 10.80 | 4.14 | 1.03 | .299 | 106 | 94 | 3.70 | 1.2 | Kerry Wood |
| Cody Allen | 270 | 10.35 | 3.64 | 0.98 | .286 | 119 | 84 | 3.57 | 1.1 | Turk Wendell |
| Trevor Cahill | 489 | 7.76 | 3.80 | 1.21 | .288 | 94 | 106 | 4.66 | 1.1 | Bob Buhl |
| Matt Harvey | 566 | 6.87 | 2.04 | 1.43 | .301 | 89 | 113 | 4.48 | 0.9 | Josh Towers |
| Ty Buttrey | 294 | 9.49 | 4.28 | 0.80 | .302 | 107 | 93 | 3.76 | 0.8 | Clay Bryant |
| John Lamb | 367 | 7.96 | 3.23 | 1.40 | .308 | 90 | 111 | 4.58 | 0.7 | Trey Moore |
| Patrick Sandoval | 454 | 7.92 | 3.96 | 1.41 | .293 | 88 | 114 | 4.92 | 0.6 | Bill Krueger |
| Cam Bedrosian | 259 | 8.35 | 3.28 | 1.04 | .301 | 107 | 93 | 3.95 | 0.6 | Jim Acker |
| Alex Meyer | 281 | 8.86 | 4.86 | 1.00 | .297 | 94 | 106 | 4.39 | 0.6 | Chris Oxspring |
| Felix Pena | 542 | 8.15 | 3.27 | 1.46 | .304 | 85 | 117 | 4.68 | 0.6 | Dennis Burtt |
| Luis Garcia | 246 | 8.10 | 3.65 | 0.64 | .311 | 106 | 95 | 3.54 | 0.6 | Kevin Gryboski |
| Dillon Peters | 521 | 5.89 | 2.91 | 1.22 | .305 | 85 | 118 | 4.73 | 0.5 | Jeff Mutis |
| Justin Anderson | 286 | 9.61 | 5.37 | 0.85 | .300 | 102 | 98 | 4.22 | 0.5 | Marc Pisciotta |
| Taylor Cole | 320 | 9.00 | 4.07 | 1.23 | .291 | 99 | 101 | 4.49 | 0.5 | Ruddy Lugo |
| Noe Ramirez | 315 | 9.49 | 3.45 | 1.36 | .294 | 99 | 101 | 4.36 | 0.4 | Jim Dougherty |
| Ivan Pineyro | 505 | 6.44 | 2.41 | 1.40 | .301 | 84 | 119 | 4.72 | 0.4 | Steve Lemke |
| Joe Gatto | 528 | 5.32 | 5.32 | 0.79 | .300 | 83 | 120 | 5.07 | 0.4 | Rick Berg |
| Matt Ramsey | 202 | 8.74 | 3.88 | 0.97 | .300 | 102 | 98 | 4.03 | 0.4 | Gabriel Dehoyos |
| Blake Wood | 239 | 8.56 | 3.95 | 0.82 | .308 | 102 | 98 | 3.86 | 0.4 | Roger McDowell |
| Jim Johnson | 251 | 6.83 | 2.95 | 0.78 | .304 | 100 | 100 | 3.84 | 0.4 | Fred Gladding |
| Hansel Robles | 301 | 8.74 | 4.04 | 1.17 | .293 | 97 | 103 | 4.38 | 0.3 | Ruddy Lugo |
| Nick Tropeano | 384 | 7.68 | 3.63 | 1.66 | .297 | 84 | 120 | 5.16 | 0.3 | Mark Thompson |
| John Curtiss | 269 | 8.90 | 4.60 | 1.04 | .293 | 97 | 103 | 4.40 | 0.3 | Terry Bross |
| JC Ramirez | 556 | 6.23 | 3.29 | 1.43 | .295 | 82 | 123 | 5.08 | 0.3 | Dick Fowler |
| Dylan Unsworth | 447 | 5.16 | 1.83 | 1.57 | .297 | 82 | 122 | 5.03 | 0.3 | Daniel Griffin |
| Keynan Middleton | 223 | 9.00 | 3.88 | 1.24 | .298 | 95 | 105 | 4.35 | 0.2 | Wayne Nix |
| Jeremy Rhoades | 312 | 6.53 | 2.76 | 1.26 | .299 | 92 | 109 | 4.60 | 0.2 | Mike Draper |
| Miguel Almonte | 265 | 7.56 | 4.63 | 1.39 | .299 | 79 | 126 | 5.17 | -0.1 | Regular Bob Gibson |
| Junichi Tazawa | 208 | 7.61 | 3.23 | 1.52 | .303 | 84 | 119 | 4.80 | -0.1 | Jason Childers |
| Deck McGuire | 494 | 7.34 | 3.92 | 1.63 | .292 | 77 | 129 | 5.37 | -0.1 | Michael Smith |
| Akeel Morris | 282 | 8.17 | 5.55 | 1.02 | .298 | 84 | 119 | 4.80 | -0.2 | Heathcliff Slocumb |
| Luis Madero | 439 | 5.49 | 2.93 | 1.56 | .299 | 76 | 132 | 5.34 | -0.2 | Matt O’Brien |
| Jesus Castillo | 456 | 4.96 | 3.01 | 1.50 | .297 | 76 | 132 | 5.40 | -0.2 | Matt O’Brien |
| Ralston Cash | 291 | 8.44 | 5.06 | 1.27 | .301 | 82 | 122 | 4.93 | -0.2 | Ryan Henderson |
| Williams Jerez | 313 | 8.31 | 4.41 | 1.43 | .305 | 82 | 122 | 5.01 | -0.3 | Jimmy Hamilton |
| Zac Ryan | 298 | 7.07 | 6.22 | 0.85 | .299 | 82 | 123 | 5.07 | -0.3 | Lloyd Allen |
| Jake Jewell | 249 | 6.50 | 4.67 | 1.33 | .300 | 81 | 124 | 5.41 | -0.3 | Sean Green |
| Daniel Procopio | 255 | 8.94 | 7.76 | 1.01 | .299 | 75 | 134 | 5.38 | -0.5 | Heathcliff Slocumb |
| Forrest Snow | 465 | 7.07 | 3.02 | 2.07 | .299 | 73 | 137 | 5.75 | -0.5 | Jason Roach |
| Osmer Morales | 467 | 7.06 | 4.32 | 1.85 | .299 | 71 | 140 | 5.88 | -0.6 | Jeff Schmidt |
| Luis Pena | 511 | 7.27 | 5.45 | 1.73 | .300 | 69 | 145 | 6.02 | -0.9 | Joel Santo |
| Ryan Clark | 353 | 6.87 | 4.38 | 2.13 | .305 | 63 | 159 | 6.32 | -1.3 | Phil Dumatrait |
Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2019. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.
Players are listed with their most recent teams, unless I have made a mistake. This is very possible, as a lot of minor-league signings go generally unreported in the offseason.
ZiPS’ projections are based on the American League having a 4.29 ERA and the National League having a 4.15 ERA.
Players who are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information, and a computer isn’t the tool that should project the injury status of, for example, a pitcher who has had Tommy John surgery.
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Willie Mays as Mike Trout’s no. 1 comp for the second year in a row. Remember back in 2017 when his no. 1 comp was “only” Mickey Mantle?
Just remember — Mickey Mantle was arguably the greatest player ever through his age 29 season (which, for Trout, will be next year), and then… lost basically all of his skills except plate discipline, and played his last major league game at age 36. Trout doesn’t have Mantle’s major leg injuries in his past, and doesn’t appear to have Mantle’s drinking problem, but always keep in mind that we could be watching the last of Trout’s prime any day now.
Technically, it’s Trout’s age 27 season next year, but he will turn 28 in August. But yes, at some point, probably within the next three years, he will start to decline.
Only because Ted Williams missed 3 full seasons before age 29 to the war.
Teddy Ballgame could get his team to the postseason.
Man, what happened to Lucroy.
He needs to get back to Texas and drink some of the water there again.
Sheesh, tough crowd.
Whew, thought there was no humor to be found around here anymore. Thanks folks, my faith is restored.
Haha… yep, that’s about right. Classic FG.
So, their entire rotation adds up to, maybe, one Trout?
Or one peak Kershaw?
Interrrestink…
Oh, and a Pongo Pagel comp? That’s a name you don’t see often. (Nd probably don’t want to, given his fate.)
When you say Jo Adell’s long term projections are bananas is that referencing a long term ZIPs projection? If so, how bananas is it?
Fried sweet plantains.
Does Zips forecast his Bananas Splits?
I vote for Bananas Foster.
Me too. A great dessert after eating a healthy amount of Cesar Pollo (hold the salad part)
Oh, nothing to see here, just the greatest player of today getting comped to arguably the greatest player of all time (and inarguably a Top-5 position player of all time). That’s all.
The annual reminder to check where Trout ranks in WAR through his age-X season and, yup, number one.
Slightly above Cobb (and all the other top 10 career WAR leaders)

He’s just 23.5 behind Pujols in career fWAR. So if Pujols plays out to the end of his contract in 2021, he might get passed on the career fWAR leaderboard by a 29-year old Trout during his farewell tour
Also, Trout is now in the top 100 in career WAR at any age. If he achieves his projected WAR for 2019, he will enter the top 50 all-time, passing countless Hall of Famers (including Derek Jeter). Among HOF-eligible non-Hall-of-Famers, only Barry Bonds and Bill Dahlen will have more career WAR than Trout.
That would be completely insane, tz. I can barely wrap my head around the fact that any baseball player could be in the top 50 of career WAR after his age 27 season!!!
I recently stumbled across an article from a few years ago that envisioned a career path where Trout surpassed Ruth for most career WAR. Real-world Trout is slightly ahead of the pace from that article.
I’ve tried to map out whether Trout could surpass Willie Mays. The short answer is: Yes, it’s possible. No, it’s not that likely because very few players escape injury over a career that long, but there’s a nice chance he makes it close. Ruth seems unlikely, especially if you count his pitching, but there is a path…
Hmmm, let’s see what Pujols’ ZIPS is…
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The comp for Pujols is Ray Knight. Which made me look at Ray Knight’s career (I’m a Reds fan.) Which made me look at early 80’s Reds teams. Which made me look at Mario Soto’s amazing 1982 season. Which made me remember how terrible the entire 1982 Reds team was, aside from Mario Soto.
BuT aLbErT pUjOlS hAs So MaNy RbI eAch YeAr!
The Angels should have been in on Machado/Harper to get a ring with Trout. Or at LEAST Dallas Keuchel, c’mon.
Well, according to a lot of baseball writers and fans, spending money means Commitment-to-Winning! Hence, paying Albert Pujols $30M/year in his decline years proves that the Angels are all in. (Spotrac has the Angels payroll at $167M.) Not like those lame Rays ($47M with Charlie Morton!!) and A’s ($80M) who just win without being “committed to winning.”
Committed enough to winning to spend the money. Not committed enough to cut him and give his roster spot to Evan Gattis.
“Committed to winning” means making an honest and intelligent effort to field a winning team.
No team with Albatross Pujols on it can ever make that claim.
Despite Pujols’ troubled career as he approaches retirement, his ranking cannot be right. Behind Tommy La Stella, Peter Bourjos and some guy named Cesar Puello? No way. Even in part time duty Pujols is better than all of those guys at this current stage.
The first 5 years with the Angels he was at least playable, if overpaid, but that’s back-to-back years of being completely unplayable for Pujols. He doesn’t draw walks any more. He still hits the ball hard but he’s a dead pull hitter with no speed so shifting just absolutely KILLS him. HIs defense is about what you’d expect from a 39 yo – terrible.
there’s just not a lot of history of guys being terrible at ages 37-38 and turning it around at 39 so yes, I think I would take La Stella and Bourjos over Pujols.
Yikes. I’ll take 15 homers in part time duty over the sub-.250 slap hitters any day. Pujols may be slow, not walk as much, and pull the ball too often, but according to ZIPS he still has more to contribute than any of those three offensively. People can hate on Pujols all they want (and understandably so, given how inconsistent he’s been these past few years) but I bet he outperforms all three of them by season’s end… if he makes it that far. Still can’t believe that all those down-voters are Cesar Puello fans.
I think the problem for Pujols the last two years isn’t that he’s been inconsistent. In fact, quite the opposite. He’s been *very* consistent the last two years.
😀 Good point. Well, I don’t think 2015-2016 is coming back at all with some kind of Nelson Cruz herculean effort, but even Pujols’ consistent mediocrity beats out a bunch of guys ahead of him IF the manager wisely plays him.
I am betting that, despite the statistics declaring that he should be jettisoned off the team, he’s still there for leadership/prestige/seat-selling value. If he gets 15+ homers with some bumps along the way, so be it. He’s still got value.
You know, I posted that there isn’t much history of guys who were terrible at 37-38 coming back. I ran search on the Leaderboards of qualified hitters at ages 37-38 and sorted by wOBA. Most of the really bad hitters were MI or C on their last legs and not good comps. There was Joe Carter and Brooks Robinson who were both so bad at age 38 that they promptly retired.
There is one silver lining though: Reggie Jackson. Reggie was awful in 1983-84, but he finally gave in and accepted the DH role he probably should have been transitioning into 3 years earlier and actually put together strong years at the plate in 1985-86 (before back-sliding for good in his swan song with the 87 A’s).
But like Reggie, Pujols no longer should be allowed to play the field and both Bourjos and La Stella actually can play the field. In La Stella’s case he can play a couple of positions. Then, Pujols is going to need to battle Ohtani for PA at DH. With more pitchers and fewer bench positin players today, you need guys who can move around rather than a dedicated bench bat.
The more I look at it, the more I think PUjols will be given half a season to see if he can right the ship (& also time to see if Ohtani can make it back from his elbow surgery and hold up as a FT DH) and then I could actually see them cutting bait if he’s still hitting like a backup SS. He only has 3 years left, they would be far from the 1st team to eat the last $60M on a deal. . . .
For the record, I gave you a thumbs up on this one. Good response and research, and if the ZIPs ranking stuff puts more weight on ‘playing in the field’ over possible offensive production then indeed, La Stella and Bourjos will have an advantage over Pujols. I’d still rather have the bat, however diminished, and if the Angels can find a way to treat Pujols like Reggie then maybe Pujols can go out with some dignity. I hope they don’t cut bait on this great…
Hey down-voters, why can’t you write something like this? Back your opinions up.
Pujols’ biggest problem (well, maybe one of many) is that he can no longer hit lefties AT ALL. His 74 wRC+ vs lefties the last two years is 193 out of 226 of everyone with 150+ PA against them. Given that he can’t play defense or run, and he can’t even be a platoon bat, I just don’t see much use for him anymore.
Vinyldude, are you actually Roger Lodge? (for those outside of SoCal who may not know him at all, or who know him from the old “Blind Date” show, he is a local homer radio host that still seems to be high on Albert, and definitely is a glass “half full” guy when it comes to the Angels)
No, I just see the stats and find that Pujols is offensively better than Bourjos, La Stella and that other guy whose name I already forgot. Not a homer, just puzzled as to why (currently) 27 people are so enraged about Pujols’ demise. Either that, or they love themselves some Bourjos nothingness.
It’s not that hard to figure out. The listed is sorted by WAR. Pujols can’t hit, but maybe he’s slightly better than Bourjos there. But Bourjas adds (or could add) tremendous value with both running and fielding. In totality, he’s a more valuable player. Should be pointed out that Zips thinks that both players will have an overall negative impact on the team.
If Pujols were a FA this off-season he would be looking at a minor league invite to camp.
If Brad Ausmus has any sense about him, he’ll play Bour every day against righties. With that decision made, it’s not even clear that a guy who has a below-average batting line against both sides of the plate and who can only play first base is rosterable. You better be an ace in the field or hit for a lot of power (and certainly a lot more than Pujols!) if you’re running Sub-.300 OBPs.
Hmmmm … you have a point if Bour takes over most of the 1B duties (and Ausmus isn’t beholden to full-timing the Hall of Famer on his roster). Is Pujols still a worthy bench bat? Is he more worthy than La Stella, Bourjos or Puello as a bench bat?
La Stella can back up a lot of positions and has offensive output similar to Pujols these days, and where the projections for OPS+ are very similar. La Stella is definitely more deserving of a roster spot than Pujols.
I had it in my head that Bourjos was done, and he is likely to be a worse hitter than Pujols in 2019. But he can play center field, so he’s got a shot to make more sense for the roster than Pujols.
I don’t know anything about Cesar Puello, but looking at his page makes me think he’s not a great fit for the Angels. He belongs on a rebuilding team that is going to stock its roster with Quad-A types to see who fits. Sometimes these guys pan out. Usually they don’t. Still, that’s better than Pujols, who definitely won’t.
Overall, I’d say that La Stella is much more likely to be worth a roster spot, while there’s a debate whether any of Bourjos, Puello, or Pujols should be playing major league baseball next season for a team that wants to win games. I’d definitely prefer to bring Cameron Maybin or Curtis Granderson or Matt Joyce to camp over any of them.
Thanks sadtrombone, up-voted. I guess I’ll just end with thinking that Pujols will prove himself worthy as a bench bat and, just maybe, beat those other three out in offense and in WAR by year’s end despite ZIPs’ cold calculations. However, I agree with your last sentence even if I’m rooting for the old guy.
Andrelton Simmons may be a superstar… but a 10/11/.278 line is putting me to supersleep.
If Simmons keeps it up, he is basically a better hitting version of Ozzie Smith. That certainly doesn’t put me to sleep.
You’re assuming Ozzie Smith was an exciting hitter, yet that’s not what he’s known for (or in the Hall for). Simmons may be a superstar in many facets, but it’s not offense. Down-voters are missing the point of my original comment.
Haha… okay, I’ll revise my comment. Simmons is an offensive superstar… in 1980. (Ozzie Smith eat your heart out.) In 2018, 10/11/.278 is *offensively* slightly better than Marcus Semien. Does that qualify Simmons as a superstar *offensively*?
(sigh) FG lurkers, go ahead and lay on the down votes, even if you know I’m right. I think you’ve all just had bad days or something.
“(sigh) FG lurkers, go ahead and lay on the down votes, even if you know I’m right”
The thing is, though, you’re wrong. Almost every post of yours on this article has been wrong. You come to a saber site and ignore the saber numbers…
Hey thanks for stepping up, tb.25. Explain why all my comments are wrong (and not just opinions) and why all the saber savvy lurkers are quietly right. To recap: Simmons isn’t a superstar hitter, Pujols can still offensively produce, Lucroy should go back to Texas, and ZIPS isn’t taking TJ surgery into account for Ohtani. I will admit that there were some great replies about Pujols, even though I still think he can be used well and be better than the triumvirate of sorriness that I mentioned earlier. Simmons, just Ozzie Smith… so nothing yet really.
Not to single you out in all this, but since this is your first comment in this thread, claiming I am wrong at that with nothing as of yet to back it up, I am intrigued regarding your response.
Here you go:
1. Simmons isn’t a superstar hitter. NOBODY is making that claim. He is, however, a league average to slightly league average hitter (adjusted for THIS offensive era). He is also a shortstop. He is also the best fielding shortstop of this era and possibly all-time. That makes him special.
2. Pujols CANNOT produce offensively. He was 22% below league average 2 years ago and 10% below league average last year. And he is a DH who should never be allowed to wear a glove. And he can’t run. His value is negative, while he earns $30M+.
3. Lucroy going back to Texas. No comment (don’t actually understand your comment about it). However, he is a catcher in decline. Nothing magical or mysterious about that. The Angels hope he can do something but I’m sure they are expecting next to nothing.
4. ZIPS does not account for injury information. Dan mentions it in every single projection article. Playing time for a guy like Ohtani is going to look messy for several years (most likely) due to his very unique nature (transfer from Japan, 2 way player, TJ surgery).
5. Ozzie Smith was awesome to watch (I’m old enough to have done that). His awesomeness is not in dispute. To have someone like Simmons come along is a treasure for all of baseball.
1. C’mon man, that was MY point. I never claimed anyone said he’s a superstar hitter, just that his ZIPs stats were underwhelming. People don’t agree, apparently. I’m glad we agree.
2. According to ZIPs, Pujols can knock out 15 homers. That’s producing offensively, albeit weakly. My point is that he can produce more offensively than the other three guys, regardless of WAR. People don’t agree, apparently.
3. Look up Lucroy’s stats when he was in Texas. He hit 20+ homers, which was his last great season. Original commenter asked about what happened to him. I made joke. People probably just didn’t get it (or don’t like jokes based on fact). Oh well.
4. So you AGREE with me about injury information? Good. I thought so… people just are hating, apparently.
5. Right on, I also saw Ozzie and appreciate what he did. I appreciate Simmons’ defense. His offense is boring, but I’m with you on the treasure of great baseball players.
Nice, we were 3-4 or so on the same wavelength. I knew there were some good commenting writers here. Thanks for the comprehensive response, bjsguess. Still waiting, tb.25.
LightenUpFG, NOBODY said Simmons is a “superstar” offensively. BUT, I would say I’d be hard-pressed to pick more than 7 guys that I would say are significantly better offensively then SImmons. You could go Lindor, Correa, Seager, Machado (if you want to count him as SS and not 3B), Baez, Boegarts, Gregorius, and Story. Then you have guys that are probably close to him offensively such as Trea Turner, Segura, maybe Profar. I’d put Semien a bit below Simmons, actually.
So you have a guy who’s in the top quarter of the league at his position, offensively, who is one of the best ever defensively ALL TIME, and that gives you an excellent player to be excited about.
Where did he state that Ozzie Smith was an exciting hitter? Those are your words, not his. He wasn’t even implying Simmons is a great hitter.
What he was implying–and everyone else but you understands–is that he’s a better hitter than Smith (that is a clear-cut comparative) and has the same elite defense.
Now please stop giving one of the greatest punk bands of all-time a bad name.
This is like saying, “A-Rod is a superstar offensive shortstop, but his MLB average defense puts me to supersleep.”
No it’s not. I’m stating that the offensive numbers, and only the offensive numbers, are dull according to ZIPS. Simmons is surely great on defense, thus making him ‘a superstar’. However, his offensive numbers don’t show that at all.
Lindor is an offensive superstar at shortstop. Machado is an offensive superstar at shortstop. Simmons is not. This is my entire point, down-voters, as boring as this point is.
Simmons = Machado and Lindor offensively? Now I think some of these FG lurkers are inebriated.
Basically, the more you complain about being downvoted, the more you will get downvoted. I wouldn’t worry about it.
Oh I know, I’m pretty much baiting at this point. I was just hoping for better feedback from people here, but it’s been a bit of a let down.
You’re… trolling in hopes of higher-quality responses? You’re being a tool so somebody will do you a favor in exchange?
Huh.
No, just bored of non-responses. Present case included.
The two shorstops who have always kept me wide awake are Smith and Simmons. You had to keep paying attention to Smith in the field because you never knew when Smith was going to do something otherworldly and impossible. These days you never know when Simmons is going to do something totally improbable.
So does ZiPS account for injury time? Just trying to figure out why Ohtani would be projected for 80 innings pitched while he’s still recovering from Tommy John
ZiPS does not account for injury. It also doesn’t account for players no longer on the team nor impending retirees (i.e. Ichiro on the Mariners).
This got down-voted? As far as I know it’s the truth. Feel free to explain it better if you can instead of down-voting the guy.
Gutless lurkers, as usual.
At this point, people are just doing it because they’re annoyed at how wrong you are while insisting you’re correct, because they know it pisses you off. If you’re not going to listen, why bother explaining? There’s no point in commenting to someone who doesn’t care.
Oh no, I’m not ‘pissed off’ at all. Just disappointed. I just find that it’s really too bad that some FG readers have lowered themselves to the point of being Youtube trolls by banging on up/down buttons to get a thrill. Isn’t this a place where folks are supposed to have a community discussion? Or share different points of view and not be cast away for it? I bet that most of those who have declined to comment are more likely less in the know than you give them credit for. They are just as likely caught up in mob mentality.
I also would like to say I’ve never said “I’m correct”, just someone who has an opinion that looks to be based on at least a modicum of fact via ZIPs (this article, yeah?). I’ve been listening all along, and I’ve responded to those who have made some credible responses. You must have missed those. Got you there.
It’s a shame… people should take to writing more and lay off the up/down buttons. So what’s your take on Pujols, Simmons, Lucroy and Ohtani, EonADS? Are you in the ‘right’, truly? Haven’t heard much from you apart from apparently being above all this.
Oh no, I’m not at all angry. Just to be disappointed. I’m sorry that some FG readers got into the situation on YouTube, pressing the button up / down. Not where people need a discussion in the community. or to share from another point of view, and not be rejected for this? I bet most people refuse to comment on the lesser-known opportunities you think. They simply have the ability to get the mind.
You also want to say that I was “clear”, only the person with comments seems to rely on at least a little reality Svift (this article, right?). Listen at any time, and I answered those who gave authoritative answers. You must have missed it. You made it.
How embarrassing … people have to write more and get better with the buttons up / down. What is your reaction to Pujols and Simmons Lucroi Ohtani, eonads? You have “right”, really? I have not heard much about you, but it looks worse.
People downvote comments that are shit and ruin the comment thread. For example, whining and crying about deserved downvotes. Stop wasting our time.
Vinyldude, now LightenUpFG (or whatever you’re going to call yourself tomorrow: You claim above “I also would like to say I’ve never said “I’m correct””
But in a few posts further up, you said:
“FG lurkers, go ahead and lay on the down votes, even if you know I’m right. I think you’ve all just had bad days or something.”
So are you splitting hairs between saying you’re “correct” and you’re “right”, or are you an outright liar?
LOL @ “Regular Bob Gibson”
I think about Ohtani a lot, mostly not at night in bed. His pitching is clearly insane and Ace potential…but pitching is so risky and temperamental.
As an RF I could see .275/.370/.525 w/ 30 hr, 15-20 sb and +5 Def for the next 5 years. He is crazy athletic, fast, and obvs the arm is a cannon. He could be a 4.5-5.5 WAR position player right now and not blow out a body part.
Yeah, but where’s the fun in that?!
Amen on Andrelton Simmons being criminally underrated! How to people not notice him and the HOF trajectory he seems to have developed? Very similar to Ozzie Smith, defensive wiz who markedly improved as a hitter later on. Though there’s a very real chance Andrelton is both the better hitter and defender!
How do you have Trout and Simmons and finsh under .500 three years in a row?
Because the Angels have only had two decent players. (They would have had three, but Ohtani got injured.) Trout being wasted on awful Angels teams reminds me of back in the day when Ron Santo was totally wasted on the Cubs.
Didn’t bother looking at the pitchers, but damn, why does ZiPS hate the Angels hitters so much?! Looked at Trout, Ohtani, Cozart, Upton, Simmons, and Bour, and the only player that Depth Charts doesn’t like more is Bour, with both players coming up at 1.1 fWAR. I mean, come on! Who projects Trout with a sub .300 AVG *AND* and sub .600 SLG?! I mean, maybe one or the other could be forgivable, but both?! I’m going to have to change my name to ZiPS Hates Mike Trout!
This is not a team doing enough to get a great player into the playoffs. The hitting is almost forgivable, but that pitching is not!
Does Dallas Keuchel put the Angels into the wild card? He seems like the guy to add to give the Angels the best chance. What pick do the Angels lose if they signed him?
Since they don’t get any Competitive Balance picks, they currently pick at 15, 56 and 93. If I’m reading it right, they would lose their 2nd round pick at #56 which would leave them with only 1 pick in the top 90 if they were to sign Keuchel, Kimbrel, Harper or Machado.