2020 ZiPS Projections: Boston Red Sox
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for eight years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Boston Red Sox.
Batters
Last winter, my job was to temper expectations, noting that while the Red Sox had just won 108 games and the World Series, their baseline expectation was absolutely not 100 wins, and indeed, that they were a team with significant holes and depth issues. Now, it’s the opposite; people’s feelings about the Red Sox have taken a harsher turn than when Hulk Hogan turned on Macho Man Randy Savage in 1996. A lot went wrong in 2019, more than you’d expect in a typical season, and the roster justified more than their lackluster 84-78.
Naturally, there’s a “but” involved. The Red Sox have spent the winter trying to offload Mookie Betts to save money. It should go without saying, but this would be a serious hit to their 2020 hopes. While it might be tempting to compare the loss of Betts to Washington’s loss Bryce Harper — a loss the Nationals survived — Washington was able to essentially replace Harper’s production with Victor Robles and Juan Soto. Mookie Betts is a better player than Harper, and Robles and Soto are better than anyone the Red Sox have. The team could pick up a major league outfielder in a Betts trade, of course, but even an average player would still be a four-win hit from the Betts expectation.
And that’s a big deal. Boston’s not a 100-win team dropping to 96 wins in this scenario; they’re more like a 92-win team dropping to an 88-win one. The latter fall constitutes a much larger change in the trajectory of their fate. It also assumes they pick up a two-win player — someone like Manuel Margot — in such a trade. They may not, and Boston’s lack of depth means the internal options are far worse. ZiPS projects Jackie Bradley Jr. to be the team’s third-best outfielder. Now, keep scrolling until you get to the projected fourth-best outfielder, Jarren Duran, a speedy center fielder without enough defense to be compelling yet.
Now, not every outfield option is listed as being an outfielder, but those options are no more exciting. You could stick Michael Chavis in right and José Peraza at second, but if you were a kid and saw that combo in a toy store window, would you include it on a list to Santa? J.D. Martinez can theoretically play the outfield, but he’s a lousy defensive outfielder and the team doesn’t have Edwin Encarnación or a Cron brother hanging around.
The rest of the team’s front-end lineup talent remains wonderful. Xander Bogaerts and Rafael Devers are both stars, and Andrew Benintendi, despite not really cashing in on baseball’s new orbit of Planet Home Run, is at least solid and retains significant upside. Bradley inevitably plays like a Double-A journeyman for six weeks every season, but somehow ends up with the same Jackie Bradley Average Season every year. The catching position is in its best state in years thanks to the team finally dissolving The World’s Most Disappointing Cerberus and letting Christian Vazquez roll with the job, rather than benching him at the first sign of an offensive slump.
The team’s determination to reset its luxury tax penalties has left it in a place where the front office has left first base on autopilot. Like that mediocre relationship two people keep going back to because “Hey, we already have the house keys and know which cereal the other likes,” Mitch Moreland will return for a fourth season for some reason.
I feel kind of sorry for poor Rusney Castillo. No, he’s not suffering any hardships, as he’s getting paid his $70-plus million, but he could probably help the Red Sox as a fourth or fifth outfielder, but won’t get the chance, since the Red Sox would have to count him towards the luxury tax if he went back onto the 40-man roster. So Rusney persists as an unfortunate loophole.
Pitchers
ZiPS will remain a believer in Chris Sale until he proves otherwise, so while I would take the under on his WAR, I can understand the computer still retaining most of its silicon love for him. The primary problem with the rotation is that while it looks pretty good on paper — at least the top three starters — if something goes wrong, it will go wrong and quickly, and the Red Sox could go from being moderately happy with their situation to desperately trying to find Edwin Jackson’s cell phone number.
It’s strange to think about, but this was a team that could have really used Rick Porcello, who is at least somewhat durable. And as horrifying as it sounds, even Andrew Cashner returning had some merit given the contours of the roster. A healthy
Nathan Eovaldi would go a long way, as he was a mess last year; unsurprisingly, ZiPS is suspicious of a pitcher who saw his walk rate triple, no matter the reason for it. The computer’s also not banking on Martín Pérez returning to first-half 2019 form, but I guess it’s possible the Red Sox figure out how to get his cutter to cut mustard again rather than cheese.
All bets are off on if David Price is included in a Betts trade or is dealt in a standalone one. Losing Betts and Price may be fatal to the team’s realistic playoff hopes.
The bullpen, on the other hand, looks like a relatively deep, stable group, even if one devoid of Big Names. Boston appear to have won the gamble when they chose not to retain Craig Kimbrel or Joe Kelly, but the pen mostly survived, rather than actually replacing that lost production. ZiPS thinks every reliever in the pen, with the exception of Darwinzon Hernandez, is likely to be average or better. Hernandez’s projection isn’t even awful, and is one of the best projections ZiPS has ever churned out for a pitcher who issues so many walks. It’s not such a deep bullpen that it can’t fall apart, but it’s likely more stable than the rotation is.
Prospects
The sparseness of this section is a reflection on just how weak Boston’s farm system is. A team can survive without spending money. A team can survive without a farm system. A team can’t survive without both. With minimal talent coming in through either route, the front office has few short-term options other than hoping the core erodes slowly enough for one problem or the other to resolve itself.
ZiPS does like Triston Casas, and in terms of projected career WAR remaining, he’s the sixth ranked first baseman among the 20 teams that have had their ZiPS writeups so far, behind Cody Bellinger, Pete Alonso, Freddie Freeman, Miguel Sanó, and Josh Bell. Now, baseball’s not exactly flooded with top-notch first base prospects these days, but he’s the most valuable asset in the organization. ZiPS also sees an interesting ceiling for Bryan Mata, thinks that C.J. Chatham might be OK at short, and that Duran will be a reasonable fourth outfielder if things break the right way.
And that’s it, at least the part of the farm system that’s relevant on a projection level. There are more prospects in the very low minors and it would be surprising if they all ended up without big league careers, but when looking at the middle and upper minors, where ZiPS easily has the most value, there just isn’t much there there.
One pedantic note for 2020: for the WAR graphic, I’m using FanGraphs’ depth charts playing time, not the playing time ZiPS spits out, so there will be occasional differences in WAR totals.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mookie Betts | R | 27 | RF | 695 | 599 | 124 | 177 | 43 | 4 | 30 | 92 | 85 | 98 | 22 | 4 |
| Xander Bogaerts | R | 27 | SS | 677 | 601 | 102 | 173 | 42 | 2 | 27 | 104 | 66 | 120 | 8 | 2 |
| Rafael Devers | L | 23 | 3B | 678 | 624 | 112 | 182 | 44 | 3 | 33 | 110 | 48 | 119 | 9 | 6 |
| J.D. Martinez | R | 32 | DH | 597 | 528 | 87 | 154 | 32 | 2 | 33 | 100 | 61 | 141 | 3 | 1 |
| Andrew Benintendi | L | 25 | LF | 645 | 568 | 83 | 153 | 38 | 5 | 16 | 79 | 64 | 126 | 14 | 4 |
| Christian Vazquez | R | 29 | C | 449 | 417 | 52 | 110 | 22 | 1 | 13 | 48 | 26 | 80 | 5 | 2 |
| Jackie Bradley Jr. | L | 30 | CF | 535 | 471 | 68 | 111 | 26 | 4 | 19 | 64 | 50 | 138 | 9 | 4 |
| Brock Holt! | L | 32 | 2B | 347 | 303 | 39 | 80 | 16 | 2 | 6 | 37 | 35 | 70 | 4 | 4 |
| José Peraza | R | 26 | 2B | 546 | 509 | 58 | 140 | 24 | 4 | 8 | 50 | 23 | 74 | 16 | 8 |
| Michael Chavis | R | 24 | 2B | 470 | 429 | 57 | 104 | 22 | 1 | 23 | 69 | 34 | 146 | 3 | 1 |
| Bobby Dalbec | R | 25 | 3B | 524 | 465 | 58 | 102 | 21 | 1 | 21 | 59 | 46 | 187 | 4 | 5 |
| Mitch Moreland | L | 34 | 1B | 403 | 360 | 48 | 86 | 20 | 1 | 16 | 59 | 37 | 93 | 1 | 0 |
| Kevin Plawecki | R | 29 | C | 278 | 248 | 27 | 61 | 15 | 1 | 6 | 34 | 22 | 51 | 0 | 1 |
| Dustin Pedroia | R | 36 | 2B | 357 | 323 | 40 | 86 | 15 | 0 | 5 | 36 | 30 | 44 | 2 | 2 |
| Jarren Duran | L | 23 | CF | 555 | 517 | 57 | 138 | 21 | 7 | 5 | 39 | 29 | 120 | 31 | 11 |
| Tzu-Wei Lin | L | 26 | SS | 348 | 320 | 36 | 77 | 15 | 2 | 5 | 26 | 25 | 81 | 7 | 5 |
| Rusney Castillo | R | 32 | RF | 463 | 439 | 50 | 119 | 25 | 1 | 8 | 44 | 18 | 71 | 7 | 6 |
| John Andreoli | R | 30 | LF | 477 | 413 | 54 | 89 | 20 | 3 | 10 | 44 | 57 | 143 | 13 | 4 |
| Chad de la Guerra | L | 27 | SS | 366 | 335 | 40 | 75 | 16 | 2 | 10 | 37 | 25 | 108 | 3 | 2 |
| Jantzen Witte | R | 30 | 3B | 426 | 392 | 43 | 94 | 22 | 1 | 7 | 37 | 27 | 97 | 5 | 4 |
| Tommy Joseph | R | 28 | 1B | 417 | 385 | 46 | 94 | 23 | 0 | 18 | 63 | 23 | 103 | 0 | 0 |
| Jett Bandy | R | 30 | C | 272 | 248 | 27 | 51 | 12 | 0 | 9 | 29 | 13 | 69 | 1 | 1 |
| Tony Renda | R | 29 | 3B | 293 | 273 | 30 | 71 | 17 | 1 | 4 | 26 | 15 | 42 | 6 | 2 |
| Steve Pearce | R | 37 | 1B | 172 | 151 | 19 | 33 | 8 | 0 | 5 | 21 | 15 | 45 | 0 | 0 |
| Josh Ockimey | L | 24 | 1B | 493 | 425 | 57 | 89 | 20 | 2 | 18 | 54 | 61 | 172 | 0 | 2 |
| C.J. Chatham | R | 25 | SS | 483 | 458 | 43 | 117 | 22 | 2 | 5 | 36 | 17 | 109 | 6 | 3 |
| Juan Centeno | L | 30 | C | 302 | 277 | 27 | 68 | 14 | 1 | 3 | 26 | 17 | 50 | 2 | 0 |
| Triston Casas | L | 20 | 1B | 516 | 467 | 57 | 101 | 23 | 3 | 18 | 62 | 40 | 158 | 3 | 3 |
| Josh Tobias | B | 27 | 2B | 358 | 326 | 34 | 76 | 16 | 1 | 5 | 30 | 20 | 90 | 4 | 6 |
| Cole Sturgeon | L | 28 | LF | 406 | 378 | 38 | 90 | 16 | 2 | 7 | 34 | 20 | 97 | 6 | 3 |
| Nick Longhi | R | 24 | 1B | 408 | 378 | 40 | 86 | 20 | 2 | 9 | 43 | 23 | 113 | 0 | 1 |
| Marcus Wilson | R | 23 | CF | 482 | 437 | 53 | 93 | 23 | 2 | 15 | 51 | 37 | 175 | 11 | 6 |
| Austin Rei | R | 26 | C | 280 | 249 | 24 | 44 | 12 | 0 | 4 | 20 | 23 | 98 | 1 | 2 |
| Gorkys Hernández | R | 32 | CF | 485 | 436 | 53 | 96 | 19 | 2 | 10 | 41 | 38 | 137 | 13 | 6 |
| Edgar Corcino | R | 28 | RF | 364 | 338 | 37 | 81 | 17 | 3 | 8 | 37 | 20 | 94 | 2 | 3 |
| Bryce Brentz | R | 31 | LF | 362 | 333 | 40 | 70 | 18 | 0 | 14 | 45 | 25 | 125 | 1 | 1 |
| Garrett Benge | L | 24 | 3B | 359 | 326 | 32 | 66 | 13 | 1 | 4 | 24 | 30 | 123 | 4 | 4 |
| Jonathan Arauz | B | 21 | SS | 508 | 470 | 49 | 99 | 23 | 4 | 11 | 47 | 33 | 110 | 6 | 7 |
| Brett Netzer | L | 24 | 2B | 506 | 466 | 44 | 98 | 22 | 2 | 6 | 37 | 30 | 152 | 3 | 5 |
| Juremi Profar | R | 24 | 1B | 483 | 454 | 45 | 105 | 22 | 1 | 9 | 43 | 25 | 86 | 0 | 2 |
| Ryan Fitzgerald | L | 26 | SS | 488 | 449 | 45 | 98 | 17 | 4 | 5 | 38 | 32 | 137 | 6 | 8 |
| Marco Hernandez | L | 27 | 2B | 358 | 340 | 38 | 84 | 17 | 1 | 4 | 26 | 12 | 82 | 4 | 4 |
| Pedro Castellanos | R | 22 | 1B | 494 | 468 | 48 | 113 | 23 | 2 | 8 | 46 | 15 | 92 | 7 | 7 |
| Tate Matheny | R | 26 | RF | 420 | 391 | 37 | 78 | 16 | 2 | 5 | 31 | 21 | 155 | 11 | 8 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mookie Betts | .295 | .383 | .531 | 137 | .235 | .312 | 8.1 | 11 | 6.0 | Al Kaline |
| Xander Bogaerts | .288 | .360 | .499 | 123 | .211 | .322 | 6.9 | -5 | 4.5 | Cal Ripken |
| Rafael Devers | .292 | .344 | .530 | 125 | .239 | .316 | 6.9 | -3 | 4.2 | Ryan Zimmerman |
| J.D. Martinez | .292 | .365 | .547 | 136 | .256 | .342 | 7.6 | 0 | 3.7 | Tony Perez |
| Andrew Benintendi | .269 | .345 | .438 | 105 | .169 | .322 | 5.7 | 4 | 2.4 | David DeJesus |
| Christian Vazquez | .264 | .309 | .415 | 88 | .151 | .299 | 4.7 | 9 | 2.3 | Dan Wilson |
| Jackie Bradley Jr. | .236 | .320 | .429 | 95 | .193 | .293 | 4.9 | 2 | 1.8 | Ricky Ledee |
| Brock Holt! | .264 | .349 | .389 | 95 | .125 | .326 | 4.8 | -1 | 1.0 | Wally Backman |
| José Peraza | .275 | .315 | .385 | 83 | .110 | .309 | 4.5 | 0 | 0.9 | Placido Polanco |
| Michael Chavis | .242 | .304 | .459 | 97 | .217 | .312 | 5.0 | -7 | 0.9 | Bret Boone |
| Bobby Dalbec | .219 | .300 | .404 | 83 | .185 | .315 | 4.1 | 1 | 0.8 | Jared Sandberg |
| Mitch Moreland | .239 | .313 | .433 | 94 | .194 | .279 | 4.8 | 3 | 0.7 | Roy Smalley |
| Kevin Plawecki | .246 | .320 | .387 | 85 | .141 | .288 | 4.4 | 0 | 0.7 | Del Rice |
| Dustin Pedroia | .266 | .329 | .359 | 82 | .093 | .296 | 4.3 | 2 | 0.7 | Mark Loretta |
| Jarren Duran | .267 | .311 | .364 | 77 | .097 | .339 | 4.4 | -2 | 0.4 | Willy Taveras |
| Tzu-Wei Lin | .241 | .295 | .347 | 69 | .106 | .308 | 3.5 | 3 | 0.4 | Omar Moraga |
| Rusney Castillo | .271 | .305 | .387 | 81 | .116 | .308 | 4.2 | 5 | 0.3 | Terrence Long |
| John Andreoli | .215 | .313 | .351 | 75 | .136 | .304 | 3.9 | 4 | 0.2 | Bo Porter |
| Chad de la Guerra | .224 | .282 | .373 | 71 | .149 | .300 | 3.6 | -1 | 0.1 | Mike Neal |
| Jantzen Witte | .240 | .294 | .355 | 70 | .115 | .302 | 3.6 | 1 | 0.0 | Brian Barden |
| Tommy Joseph | .244 | .293 | .444 | 90 | .200 | .288 | 4.6 | -3 | 0.0 | Nate Gold |
| Jett Bandy | .206 | .266 | .363 | 63 | .157 | .247 | 3.2 | 0 | -0.1 | Charlie Greene |
| Tony Renda | .260 | .305 | .374 | 78 | .114 | .295 | 4.2 | -3 | -0.1 | Frank Duffy |
| Steve Pearce | .219 | .302 | .371 | 76 | .152 | .277 | 3.9 | 0 | -0.1 | Brian Jordan |
| Josh Ockimey | .209 | .310 | .393 | 84 | .184 | .302 | 4.1 | -1 | -0.2 | Jeff Bailey |
| C.J. Chatham | .255 | .284 | .345 | 65 | .090 | .326 | 3.6 | 0 | -0.2 | Tom Veryzer |
| Juan Centeno | .245 | .294 | .336 | 66 | .090 | .290 | 3.6 | -5 | -0.4 | Brian Loyd |
| Triston Casas | .216 | .283 | .394 | 76 | .178 | .285 | 3.8 | 2 | -0.5 | Greg Blosser |
| Josh Tobias | .233 | .287 | .334 | 64 | .101 | .307 | 3.1 | 0 | -0.5 | Mendy Lopez |
| Cole Sturgeon | .238 | .282 | .347 | 65 | .108 | .303 | 3.5 | 4 | -0.5 | Mickey Hyde |
| Nick Longhi | .228 | .278 | .362 | 67 | .135 | .301 | 3.5 | 3 | -0.7 | John Hughes |
| Marcus Wilson | .213 | .278 | .378 | 70 | .165 | .316 | 3.6 | -6 | -0.7 | Michael Rodriguez |
| Austin Rei | .177 | .262 | .273 | 42 | .096 | .272 | 2.2 | 1 | -0.7 | Russ Jacobson |
| Gorkys Hernández | .220 | .286 | .342 | 65 | .122 | .298 | 3.4 | -3 | -0.7 | Kimera Bartee |
| Edgar Corcino | .240 | .286 | .379 | 73 | .139 | .309 | 3.7 | -3 | -0.8 | Jalal Leach |
| Bryce Brentz | .210 | .271 | .390 | 71 | .180 | .289 | 3.6 | -4 | -0.8 | Greg Sparks |
| Garrett Benge | .202 | .271 | .285 | 47 | .083 | .312 | 2.5 | 2 | -1.0 | Mario Ramirez |
| Jonathan Arauz | .211 | .266 | .347 | 60 | .136 | .252 | 3.0 | -5 | -1.0 | Todd Carey |
| Brett Netzer | .210 | .262 | .305 | 49 | .094 | .299 | 2.6 | 5 | -1.1 | Rich Casarotti |
| Juremi Profar | .231 | .273 | .344 | 61 | .112 | .267 | 3.2 | 5 | -1.1 | Danny Sheaffer |
| Ryan Fitzgerald | .218 | .273 | .307 | 53 | .089 | .303 | 2.7 | -1 | -1.2 | Drew Meyer |
| Marco Hernandez | .247 | .277 | .338 | 61 | .091 | .315 | 3.2 | -6 | -1.2 | Steve Sisco |
| Pedro Castellanos | .241 | .273 | .350 | 63 | .109 | .285 | 3.2 | -6 | -2.1 | Mike Collins |
| Tate Matheny | .199 | .245 | .289 | 40 | .090 | .316 | 2.3 | 3 | -2.1 | Gary Dawson |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chris Sale | L | 31 | 13 | 6 | 3.12 | 26 | 26 | 164.7 | 130 | 57 | 19 | 36 | 216 | 2.71 |
| Eduardo Rodriguez | L | 27 | 12 | 9 | 4.28 | 31 | 30 | 174.3 | 169 | 83 | 23 | 64 | 177 | 3.97 |
| David Price | L | 34 | 9 | 6 | 4.01 | 23 | 23 | 128.0 | 121 | 57 | 19 | 36 | 137 | 3.81 |
| Martín Pérez | L | 29 | 8 | 8 | 5.00 | 28 | 25 | 144.0 | 158 | 80 | 18 | 57 | 104 | 4.55 |
| Ryan Weber | R | 29 | 6 | 5 | 4.65 | 31 | 17 | 108.3 | 123 | 56 | 14 | 28 | 70 | 4.34 |
| Matt Barnes | R | 30 | 6 | 3 | 3.48 | 65 | 0 | 62.0 | 46 | 24 | 6 | 34 | 96 | 2.99 |
| Jhoulys Chacín | R | 32 | 9 | 8 | 4.99 | 27 | 25 | 124.3 | 126 | 69 | 18 | 52 | 109 | 4.56 |
| Brandon Workman | R | 31 | 6 | 4 | 3.71 | 64 | 0 | 63.0 | 48 | 26 | 8 | 33 | 83 | 3.77 |
| Josh Taylor | L | 27 | 4 | 2 | 3.78 | 68 | 0 | 66.7 | 60 | 28 | 6 | 29 | 75 | 3.41 |
| Andrew Cashner | R | 33 | 8 | 8 | 5.22 | 32 | 22 | 127.7 | 134 | 74 | 19 | 53 | 92 | 4.92 |
| Nathan Eovaldi | R | 30 | 4 | 4 | 4.95 | 22 | 16 | 83.7 | 89 | 46 | 14 | 28 | 80 | 4.45 |
| Kutter Crawford | R | 24 | 7 | 7 | 5.16 | 23 | 23 | 103.0 | 108 | 59 | 14 | 60 | 90 | 4.95 |
| Matt Hall | L | 26 | 6 | 5 | 5.08 | 37 | 15 | 113.3 | 115 | 64 | 16 | 57 | 111 | 4.57 |
| Daniel McGrath | L | 25 | 4 | 4 | 5.11 | 33 | 16 | 107.3 | 111 | 61 | 15 | 58 | 93 | 4.88 |
| Bryan Mata | R | 21 | 7 | 7 | 5.16 | 22 | 22 | 96.0 | 98 | 55 | 11 | 65 | 80 | 5.03 |
| Marcus Walden | R | 31 | 6 | 4 | 4.33 | 54 | 3 | 70.7 | 69 | 34 | 6 | 30 | 62 | 3.80 |
| Kyle Hart | L | 27 | 10 | 10 | 5.37 | 24 | 22 | 125.7 | 140 | 75 | 20 | 54 | 94 | 5.04 |
| Mike Kickham | L | 31 | 5 | 5 | 5.04 | 27 | 13 | 84.0 | 89 | 47 | 14 | 30 | 72 | 4.70 |
| Hector Velazquez | R | 31 | 3 | 3 | 4.81 | 35 | 11 | 76.7 | 83 | 41 | 11 | 32 | 60 | 4.73 |
| Colten Brewer | R | 27 | 5 | 3 | 4.07 | 62 | 0 | 66.3 | 64 | 30 | 5 | 33 | 62 | 3.78 |
| Ryan Brasier | R | 32 | 4 | 3 | 4.03 | 62 | 0 | 58.0 | 55 | 26 | 7 | 18 | 56 | 3.75 |
| Chris Mazza | R | 30 | 5 | 5 | 5.33 | 25 | 16 | 99.7 | 113 | 59 | 16 | 36 | 73 | 4.89 |
| Eduard Bazardo | R | 24 | 5 | 4 | 4.67 | 34 | 3 | 71.3 | 75 | 37 | 12 | 21 | 64 | 4.46 |
| Denyi Reyes | R | 23 | 9 | 10 | 5.58 | 27 | 26 | 143.7 | 170 | 89 | 31 | 35 | 97 | 5.37 |
| Steven Wright | R | 35 | 4 | 3 | 5.20 | 16 | 9 | 64.0 | 68 | 37 | 11 | 28 | 48 | 5.23 |
| Austin Brice | R | 28 | 2 | 2 | 4.36 | 45 | 1 | 53.7 | 51 | 26 | 8 | 20 | 54 | 4.22 |
| Heath Hembree | R | 31 | 2 | 1 | 4.28 | 52 | 0 | 48.3 | 45 | 23 | 8 | 20 | 57 | 4.21 |
| Tanner Houck | R | 24 | 7 | 8 | 5.50 | 30 | 18 | 103.0 | 113 | 63 | 17 | 50 | 84 | 5.15 |
| Jeffrey Springs | L | 27 | 4 | 4 | 5.03 | 37 | 6 | 68.0 | 66 | 38 | 11 | 35 | 77 | 4.56 |
| Darwinzon Hernandez | L | 23 | 4 | 3 | 4.50 | 68 | 0 | 58.0 | 43 | 29 | 5 | 54 | 84 | 4.20 |
| R.J. Alvarez | R | 29 | 5 | 4 | 4.50 | 48 | 0 | 48.0 | 44 | 24 | 5 | 29 | 52 | 4.18 |
| Jenrry Mejia | R | 30 | 5 | 4 | 4.53 | 44 | 0 | 49.7 | 52 | 25 | 7 | 16 | 40 | 4.37 |
| Matthew Kent | L | 27 | 7 | 8 | 5.71 | 27 | 24 | 140.3 | 175 | 89 | 22 | 52 | 82 | 5.16 |
| Brian Johnson | L | 29 | 4 | 4 | 5.54 | 28 | 14 | 76.3 | 84 | 47 | 14 | 37 | 65 | 5.32 |
| Bobby Poyner | L | 27 | 3 | 3 | 4.80 | 54 | 1 | 65.7 | 67 | 35 | 11 | 25 | 64 | 4.55 |
| Trevor Hildenberger | R | 29 | 4 | 3 | 4.70 | 50 | 0 | 53.7 | 57 | 28 | 8 | 15 | 46 | 4.24 |
| Raynel Espinal | R | 28 | 6 | 5 | 4.74 | 23 | 0 | 68.3 | 71 | 36 | 12 | 23 | 68 | 4.48 |
| Durbin Feltman | R | 23 | 3 | 2 | 4.84 | 43 | 0 | 48.3 | 47 | 26 | 5 | 31 | 45 | 4.59 |
| Andrew Schwaab | R | 27 | 3 | 3 | 5.00 | 44 | 0 | 54.0 | 53 | 30 | 5 | 36 | 47 | 4.64 |
| Josh Osich | L | 31 | 2 | 2 | 5.04 | 57 | 0 | 60.7 | 63 | 34 | 9 | 23 | 53 | 4.50 |
| Dan Runzler | L | 35 | 1 | 1 | 5.52 | 30 | 0 | 31.0 | 32 | 19 | 4 | 21 | 26 | 5.21 |
| Robinson Leyer | R | 27 | 3 | 3 | 5.53 | 43 | 1 | 55.3 | 55 | 34 | 8 | 39 | 54 | 5.22 |
| Mike Shawaryn | R | 25 | 4 | 5 | 6.11 | 25 | 18 | 98.7 | 112 | 67 | 21 | 47 | 81 | 5.73 |
| Domingo Tapia | R | 28 | 4 | 5 | 5.68 | 43 | 3 | 65.0 | 75 | 41 | 11 | 32 | 45 | 5.47 |
| Konner Wade | R | 28 | 5 | 7 | 6.20 | 23 | 15 | 97.3 | 123 | 67 | 23 | 26 | 56 | 5.90 |
| Tom Windle | L | 28 | 4 | 5 | 5.68 | 45 | 0 | 50.7 | 51 | 32 | 8 | 34 | 49 | 5.31 |
| Adam Lau | R | 25 | 3 | 4 | 5.84 | 40 | 1 | 57.0 | 59 | 37 | 10 | 37 | 55 | 5.48 |
| Dedgar Jimenez | L | 24 | 5 | 7 | 6.45 | 29 | 17 | 96.3 | 112 | 69 | 20 | 55 | 71 | 6.12 |
| Teddy Stankiewicz | R | 26 | 6 | 8 | 6.60 | 24 | 22 | 122.7 | 155 | 90 | 31 | 41 | 84 | 6.10 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chris Sale | 11.8 | 2.0 | 1.0 | 5.4% | 32.5% | .292 | 147 | 68 | 4.7 | Frank Viola |
| Eduardo Rodriguez | 9.1 | 3.3 | 1.2 | 8.5% | 23.6% | .304 | 107 | 94 | 2.8 | Zane Smith |
| David Price | 9.6 | 2.5 | 1.3 | 6.7% | 25.5% | .299 | 114 | 88 | 2.4 | Jimmy Key |
| Martín Pérez | 6.5 | 3.6 | 1.1 | 8.9% | 16.3% | .306 | 91 | 110 | 1.2 | Jim O’Toole |
| Ryan Weber | 5.8 | 2.3 | 1.2 | 5.9% | 14.8% | .307 | 98 | 102 | 1.2 | Bob Purkey |
| Matt Barnes | 13.9 | 4.9 | 0.9 | 12.8% | 36.2% | .315 | 131 | 76 | 1.1 | Jim Kern |
| Jhoulys Chacín | 7.9 | 3.8 | 1.3 | 9.5% | 19.9% | .298 | 91 | 109 | 1.1 | Bob Bruce |
| Brandon Workman | 11.9 | 4.7 | 1.1 | 12.3% | 31.0% | .282 | 123 | 81 | 0.9 | Turk Wendell |
| Josh Taylor | 10.1 | 3.9 | 0.8 | 10.1% | 26.0% | .309 | 121 | 83 | 0.8 | Darold Knowles |
| Andrew Cashner | 6.5 | 3.7 | 1.3 | 9.4% | 16.3% | .290 | 88 | 114 | 0.7 | Spec Shea |
| Nathan Eovaldi | 8.6 | 3.0 | 1.5 | 7.7% | 22.0% | .313 | 92 | 108 | 0.7 | Pat Ahearne |
| Kutter Crawford | 7.9 | 5.2 | 1.2 | 12.6% | 18.9% | .307 | 89 | 113 | 0.7 | Rick Berg |
| Matt Hall | 8.8 | 4.5 | 1.3 | 11.2% | 21.7% | .309 | 90 | 111 | 0.7 | Jake Chapman |
| Daniel McGrath | 7.8 | 4.9 | 1.3 | 11.9% | 19.0% | .303 | 89 | 112 | 0.7 | Chris Short |
| Bryan Mata | 7.5 | 6.1 | 1.0 | 14.4% | 17.8% | .302 | 89 | 113 | 0.7 | Mike Torrez |
| Marcus Walden | 7.9 | 3.8 | 0.8 | 9.7% | 20.0% | .303 | 105 | 95 | 0.6 | Tom Timmermann |
| Kyle Hart | 6.7 | 3.9 | 1.4 | 9.5% | 16.5% | .305 | 85 | 118 | 0.6 | Andy Hassler |
| Mike Kickham | 7.7 | 3.2 | 1.5 | 8.1% | 19.5% | .301 | 91 | 110 | 0.6 | Lee Guetterman |
| Hector Velazquez | 7.0 | 3.8 | 1.3 | 9.3% | 17.5% | .305 | 95 | 105 | 0.6 | Don Schwall |
| Colten Brewer | 8.4 | 4.5 | 0.7 | 11.2% | 21.1% | .309 | 112 | 89 | 0.5 | Sarge Connally |
| Ryan Brasier | 8.7 | 2.8 | 1.1 | 7.3% | 22.8% | .296 | 113 | 88 | 0.5 | Bob Humphreys |
| Chris Mazza | 6.6 | 3.3 | 1.4 | 8.1% | 16.4% | .308 | 86 | 117 | 0.4 | Ownie Carroll |
| Eduard Bazardo | 8.1 | 2.6 | 1.5 | 6.8% | 20.6% | .303 | 98 | 102 | 0.4 | Brian Barber |
| Denyi Reyes | 6.1 | 2.2 | 1.9 | 5.5% | 15.3% | .301 | 82 | 122 | 0.4 | Dave Eiland |
| Steven Wright | 6.8 | 3.9 | 1.5 | 9.8% | 16.7% | .291 | 88 | 114 | 0.3 | Rip Sewell |
| Austin Brice | 9.1 | 3.4 | 1.3 | 8.6% | 23.2% | .295 | 105 | 96 | 0.3 | Wes Stock |
| Heath Hembree | 10.6 | 3.7 | 1.5 | 9.6% | 27.4% | .303 | 107 | 94 | 0.3 | Jay Powell |
| Tanner Houck | 7.3 | 4.4 | 1.5 | 10.6% | 17.9% | .307 | 83 | 121 | 0.3 | Tim Byron |
| Jeffrey Springs | 10.2 | 4.6 | 1.5 | 11.5% | 25.3% | .309 | 91 | 110 | 0.2 | Tim Byrdak |
| Darwinzon Hernandez | 13.0 | 8.4 | 0.8 | 19.9% | 30.9% | .304 | 101 | 99 | 0.2 | Grant Jackson |
| R.J. Alvarez | 9.8 | 5.4 | 0.9 | 13.4% | 24.1% | .305 | 101 | 99 | 0.2 | George Smith |
| Jenrry Mejia | 7.2 | 2.9 | 1.3 | 7.4% | 18.6% | .300 | 101 | 99 | 0.2 | John Boozer |
| Matthew Kent | 5.3 | 3.3 | 1.4 | 8.1% | 12.7% | .319 | 80 | 125 | 0.2 | Jeff Johnson |
| Brian Johnson | 7.7 | 4.4 | 1.7 | 10.7% | 18.8% | .307 | 82 | 121 | 0.1 | Mike Kekich |
| Bobby Poyner | 8.8 | 3.4 | 1.5 | 8.7% | 22.2% | .304 | 95 | 105 | 0.1 | Gabe Gonzalez |
| Trevor Hildenberger | 7.7 | 2.5 | 1.3 | 6.5% | 19.8% | .306 | 97 | 103 | 0.1 | Ron Taylor |
| Raynel Espinal | 9.0 | 3.0 | 1.6 | 7.7% | 22.9% | .309 | 96 | 104 | 0.1 | Marc Valdes |
| Durbin Feltman | 8.4 | 5.8 | 0.9 | 13.9% | 20.2% | .302 | 94 | 106 | 0.0 | Dave Cole |
| Andrew Schwaab | 7.8 | 6.0 | 0.8 | 14.4% | 18.8% | .302 | 91 | 110 | -0.1 | Newt Kimball |
| Josh Osich | 7.9 | 3.4 | 1.3 | 8.6% | 19.9% | .302 | 90 | 110 | -0.1 | Tom Burgmeier |
| Dan Runzler | 7.5 | 6.1 | 1.2 | 14.5% | 17.9% | .301 | 83 | 121 | -0.2 | Marshall Bridges |
| Robinson Leyer | 8.8 | 6.3 | 1.3 | 15.1% | 20.8% | .303 | 83 | 121 | -0.3 | Ken Wright |
| Mike Shawaryn | 7.4 | 4.3 | 1.9 | 10.4% | 17.8% | .304 | 75 | 134 | -0.4 | Brandon Sloan |
| Domingo Tapia | 6.2 | 4.4 | 1.5 | 10.6% | 15.0% | .306 | 80 | 124 | -0.4 | Preston Larrison |
| Konner Wade | 5.2 | 2.4 | 2.1 | 5.9% | 12.8% | .305 | 74 | 136 | -0.5 | Jason Simontacchi |
| Tom Windle | 8.7 | 6.0 | 1.4 | 14.4% | 20.8% | .303 | 80 | 125 | -0.5 | Tom Doyle |
| Adam Lau | 8.7 | 5.8 | 1.6 | 13.9% | 20.6% | .304 | 78 | 128 | -0.5 | Sean Green |
| Dedgar Jimenez | 6.6 | 5.1 | 1.9 | 12.1% | 15.6% | .304 | 71 | 141 | -0.8 | Matt Coenen |
| Teddy Stankiewicz | 6.2 | 3.0 | 2.3 | 7.3% | 15.0% | .312 | 69 | 145 | -1.0 | Andy Ghelfi |
Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2020 due to injury, and players who were released in 2019. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in June to form a ska-cowpunk Luxembourgian bubblegum pop-death metal band, he’s still listed here intentionally.
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Say Mookie gets dealt before start of season. For win projection, would it be safe to assume that it would simply then be whatever is projected at that point minus 6 wins?
He expects them to receive a 2 win player in return. So, minus 4
Plus whatever MLB talent they get in return.
It is only minus 6 if they do a pure teardown, and only get prospects, which doesn’t match what they’re saying. If they did that they might as well go fire sale.
Considering how hard it will be to get value for Betts it is still most likely they keep him.
This, at least for half a season. If it’s going terrible, there will be a market for a team to pick up the 13mil left for remainder of the year to go for it – 13 is better than 27. Plus, you already know your in contention so it’ll be a good rental. If the sox are in it, I guess they can keep him. The worst would be like a 50-48 record at the trade deadline…not in or out. that would be tough to deal him then, the fanbase would not be happy.
The downside there is dropping $13M in July won’t save them from the most draconian tax impacts.
Plus, as we saw last year, July is early to decide to pack it in: even weak teams (not in Detroit, KC, Miami or Baltimore) were still nominally in the WC hunt.
If they are 50-48 at the deadline(in reality it’s closer to another 10 games so say 55-53)- they would be at least 10 games out in the division, and likely 6-7 games out of the wild card. So would be really out even there….
So Zips sees 2 5+ war players, 2 4+ war players, 3 3+ war players, and 2 2+ war players and another at the catcher platoon, and they’re going to trade the best of all of them. If the Red Sox are so determined to reset the luxury tax, why not compete one more year and let Mookie walk? It’s gross mismanagement and I hope others join me in abandoning this team and ownership group.
If they keep him and get a WC they’ll be effectively losing the first round pick.
Plus whatever they get dinged for sign stealing.
The farm sounds pretty lean so things might get ugly from 21-25.
No good outcomes.
The penalties for sign stealing are coming no matter what, and the farm is going to be lean regardless given the returns being discussed for Mookie. You have revenues over $600M per year and the 4th best team by projections in baseball, act like it
$600M *gross*.
$50-100 million off the *net* isn’t peanuts.
we don’t talk enough about how the luxury tax could be depressing FA deals- 100 million is nearly impossible to make up in the best year (1/6th of gross for arguably the second best market in baseball!). Of course teams are keenly sensitive to that kind of penalty.
There’s also a tendency to forget the team payroll doesn’t include all the team costs. Farm system expenses, Front Office, scouts. State and federal taxes, office space, insurance, pensions.
Plus cases like Rusney Castillo.
A team earning $600M gross may not be making even $100M net.
So yeah, a $50M tax will be noticed.
Plus there is the matter of where it goes: to other teams.
Like the Rays.
teams are “worth” a lot of money, but most of their worth is not derived from cashflow (at least I don’t think so). Surprised no one has tried to issue debt on, like, the HSI to raise cash like some soccer teams do
They do.
The most common form is “minority partner”.
The technical name of the owner of record is “managing partner”.
The percent equity an owner or partner varies.
For example, tbe new majority owner of the Royals used to be a minority partner in Cleveland. Since he can’t be owner on both teams (look up the story of the Cleveland Spiders to see where that leads), Dolan has to buy him out. So he has to find a different equity investor, get a loan, or pay him out of team revenue. (As in, cutting payroll.)
I’m not sure if Henry has partners but I know Oakland and the Dodgers are collectively owned.
Once upon a time, teams were regularly run at a loss and realized their gains through tax deductions and at sale time. (The bigger fool tgeory– no matter how much you overpay, there will always be somebody willing to pay more later.)
Today, most teans look to make money from operations at least over a few years. So if they lose money one gear, it will have to be made up in a future year.
True. But a team’s stated revenue rom baseball operations doesn’t really include all it’s revenue either.
If you think a team making $600M is having trouble turning a profit how much do you think a team grossing $200M is earning, while having similar costs outside of payroll and being asked to pay the majority of costs for a new stadium?
Outrage against the team that led the MLB in payroll the last 4 or 5 years (with a $70M man in the minors, LOL) and paid significant overage penalties (and don’t want to pay another $65M) is counter-productive. Assuming they release JBJ in March (a nasty thing to do), they only need to shave another $18M off payroll to keep Betts for his final season before FA. Seems like the Red Sox are finding that they can’t dump Price or JDM without including Betts (they’re not including Benintendi and don’t have prospects to give away), so here they are. I’m surprised they can’t do a bad contract swap such as Price for Myers, especially since Price actually projects to be good.
Setting aside the fact the Sox should have a top payroll based on their revenue, why can’t they wait a year to reset the tax? They have a team that can win now, and any return for Mookie won’t be as impactful in future years as he is on a WS contender. Keep the band together and go for it instead of worrying about a $13M tax bill
They can’t wait a year because they’re already two time offenders so they’re looking at a 75-90% tax on the overage.
The Dodgers and Yankees both dipped under the limit and reset their rate to 20%.
Betts isn’t costing them just $27M but something in the $40-50M range.
Alex Speier’s article in the Boston Globe on 12/10/19 says that the penalty could be as high as $65M, so Idk where you’re getting $13M from. They’ve already been paying $13M the last few years. (Kimbrel money!)
Chaim Bloom is a smart guy. If he can’t dump Price or JDM, he’ll get a haul for Betts. I think you can ignore the rumors of unimpressive offers from the Padres.
I think almost every other fanbase in baseball would love to have John Henry as their team’s owner, though perhaps not Dombrowski as their GM.
Focus on solutions, not outrage.
I don’t think he’s going to get a “haul” for Betts based on the reporting we’ve been seeing, which I think is the main objection here.
I think there are a lot of good reasons to want to reset the tax, but this whole thing about trading Mookie Betts for Wil Myers, Manny Margot, and Cal Quantrill (and a prospect of unknown quality) is a terrible idea on a whole bunch of levels. If you’re planning to punt on the year like that (and no mistake, trading Betts is very much punting on the year) and you’re not getting much in return, you should be trying to dump the contracts that have long-term liability, even if you don’t get much back in return or have to eat some money.
Look to the alternative.
Look at the odds of a non-ideal scenario.
Sale implodes in June or worse, August. How do they survive?
Devers loses a month.
Or Betts himself a month?
They still have to eat the penalties, fail to make the playoffs, drop in the draft, and pay $50M in tax.
Maybe a miracle happens. Maybe they pull a MAJOR LEAGUE and the veterans produce, the kids arrive darly, and nobody gets hurt.
What are the odds of that?
The Sox are right on the edge so neither outcomes is a certainty but both a possible. With varying degrees of probability.
And its Henry’s money on the line.
He doesn’t sound as inclined to gamble as the fans.
And in the end he may not have a choice: he may swallow the bad press and still end up stuck with the Big Tax Bill and the penalties anyway.
Latest word is t hey are talking to the Dodgers about Betts deals with and without Price. And that the talks started afterCora was fired. (Maybe they expect a big punishment and are prepping for a rebuild.)
A story to follow.
The fact that the Dodgers story comes after the Padres story might make some (me,me!) wonder if so mebody might be trying to stir a bidding war
Paroia runs deep, right?
The Red Sox succeed in spite of John Henry, not because of him. He’s a bad man who trashed anyone who leaves the organization, pushed Don Orsillo out for no reason, and runs propaganda for the Sox and against the other local teams through his newspaper. Any owner could succeed with the Red Sox brand, revenue, and resources, he just does so in the worst way possible
Does he twirl his mustache with an evil cackle when he’s doing all these nefarious things? Get a grip.
“any owner could succeed”- I dunno have we forgotten how crap Fenway was and how bad the Red Sox were before FSG took it over?
dukewinslow, all those winning teams and World Series victories are great, but you are forgetting they had the malevolence to sell sell souvenir bricks and also employed broadcasting legend Don Orsillo for only 12 years. **Won’t somebody please think of the children!**
Or some of tbe other owners running around in the last decade.
Owners aren’t necessarily judged on personal qualities (Steinbrenner sr was hardly a saint) but on the team’s performance under tbeir stewardship.sarily
By that standard it is hard to say tbe team has suffered from his ownership. At least thus far.
And I would argue that Jeter, who seems like a good person, is a horrible (5%) owner.
If Boston is looking at long-term cost-cutting, a top priority would be trading Price before his 10/5 no-trade rights kick in for 2021. A deal with Price for Myers at the core actually makes sense for both sides.
This, to me, is the most obvious move and the fact that it hasn’t happened yet strikes me as the Red Sox being unrealistic about what they can get for him. I think I figured out yesterday that a 1:1 swap shaves $17M off of the luxury tax bill but only costs the Padres $9M more.
I also think they could deal Sale without picking up much, or any, of the cost, and might even be able to get something back for him.
Bottom line is if you’re going to punt on 2020, and do it in a way that doesn’t really bring back much in prospects, do it in the way that makes it so you don’t have to go through this again in three years.
I really think you’re dreaming if you think Sale could be dealt without having to pick up much of the cost and possibly getting something back for him. 5/145m is not good for a guy who very possibly might need TJS this year(and by putting it off now, not only would this year be ruined but 2021 would be out as well).
No, I don’t think you would get much of anything back for him. The risk is pretty high, but since he’s projected to be the fifth-best starter in major league baseball, I think there are teams who might be willing to assume the contract and roll the dice.
The key question here is: Exactly what is the state of his arm? Right now we don’t know for certain, but all indications is he’s dodged a bullet. So I guess we’ll see. Obviously if he’s as likely to need TJ as you’re stating here, then he’s unmoveable.
The key reason why Sale might be a good fit for another team, like the Padres, but not the Red Sox, is that any money you get back from an insurance on a player in case of injury does *not* rebate against the luxury tax. If Sale gets hurt, they get some money but don’t get what they really want. For a team like the Padres, that’s not a consideration.
I think Sale being projected as 5th best pitcher in MLB is utterly pie in the sky right now.
I just don’t think he’s movable at all until some of the health questions are resolved….
Apparently they are talking to the Dodgers about including Price and cash in return for lower pedigree prospects in a Betts trade.
There might actually be a deal in the making.
I think the numbers work, barely, for the Braves to make a run at Price. However, I think the Red Sox'(s?) price would be way too dear.
Yep, I subscribe to MLB for both radio and one-team television, and the minute I get a breaking news alert saying Mookie’s been traded, I’ll cancel both of them. I’ve got other hobbies that will satisfy me.
Brock Holt!
\o/
his comp is amazing
“figure out how to get his cutter to cut mustard again instead of cheese.”
This quote makes me happy.
Almost as happy as seeing that the Yankees project for higher WAR than the Sox at each rotation slot 1 through 5, the bullpen, and at every position except third base and DH, with a tie at catcher.
Vaquez is good but Sanchez has a higher ceiling…if he can stay healthy. A common story on that team. They can be scary if everybody stays healthy.
This is not a great year to try to wn the AL east.
Some small consolation for the O’s.
This is essentially the same team they fielded in 2019 that won 84 games. So why are expectations so much higher?
If Betts is traded, bump them down 4-6 games.
Will Chris Sale survive the year without TJS or rotator cuff surgery? Says here, no he won’t.
Christian Vazquez is more likely to become 2017 Vazquez than repeat 2019 Vazquez.
Eduardo Rodriguez in 2019 was the Christian Vazquez of the pitching staff. He too will regress.
David Price, if they don’t trade him, won’t survive a full season. As usual.
Michael Chavis? In three years no one will remember him. His swing is full of holes.
Mitch Moreland? JAG.
Who’s their 2B again?
And who’s their manager? Is John Henry going to be owner-manager this year to save money?
And they’re going to take on Wil Myers and Manuel Margot? Please. This looks like 2014-2015 all over again. I say they’re more likely to win 75 than 95. In fact, Dombrowski did so much damage to this organization, I can see them being in non-competitive limbo for 3-5 years. At least with a decent team they’d fill up Fenway to somewhat offset the luxury tax, but that tax is really going to sting when the fans figure out this team isn’t any good and only 25000 people are showing up every night.
It’s also essentially the same team they fielded in 2018 that won 108 games and the WS
But two years older.
Not trivial when it comes to the starters.
Or Martinez.
Also not trivial when it comes to the young left side of their infield.
While cheating?
Because it was an 89-win team in baseruns and lots of players got hurt. Come on, you’re better than this.
There’s obviously significant downside risk because the team is thin and because their guys are coming off of injury but Dan does an awfully good job of explaining all that.
Our ability to think we can predict pitcher injuries is strong. Our ability to predict pitcher injuries is not strong. We are making confident wild guesses.
Note: This combination of unearned confidence and repeating conventional wisdom is a key to success in many jobs (still dumb).
Sale has had 2 straight years of injuries. If they can get 26 starts from him that’d be huge- although even there- ZIPS has him projected for 6 1/3 innings per start and last 2 years he’s been under 6. Just seems way too bullish on him quite frankly overall. What an awful contract.
The most obvious risk for future arm injuries for starting pitchers is past arm injuries. Given that he’s had that, including a HUGE one last year, means he’s super likely to be injured again.
Can you project Mookie’s stats for bowling?
Betts has been training with John Burkett all offseason and is in the best bowling shape of his life.
Thanks Doc, very cool!
Lol, one of my favorite exchanges on this site yet!
@homnremomento, His bowling Wins Above Burkett (WAB) = 3.5 over a full PBA season.
Thanks Jimmie, very cool!
This is timely, given all the rumors about Betts and the arguments yesterday about where the team actually stands. I believe that Steamer is much more optimistic about the Red Sox, but a 92 win projection isn’t much to sneeze at. That’s a break or two away from serious contention.
Or an injury or two from irrelevance.
What would a rash of injuries like the Yanks or Indians weathered last year do to this team?
There is some upside on that roster but also downside.
And no safety net.
It would pay to temper expectations a bit, realizing every team gets injuries.
But there’s no actual path back to contention for them that doesn’t involve Mookie Betts or a similar player. The farm system is busted, and Betts will not return anything near enough that it would make a difference. Sale and Price and Eovaldi and JD Martinez are not getting younger, and the risk of injury will only get worse from here. Bradley’s gone after this year as well.
The party is over the moment Betts walks out that door. The best case scenario in 2020 if they trade Betts is getting over .500. Then, the best case in 2022 is either the whole process restarts (when they splurge in free agency) with an aging/hurt roster that can’t support contention while being over the tax and hitting repeater penalties for a while, or a team where they’re tied down by all these bad contracts without the star player and are mediocre for a while.
Compare this to moving Price and/or Sale and/or Eovaldi (the last of which obviously can’t happen now). This removes the permanence of the luxury tax threatening you, and frees you up to actually try to keep Betts (which won’t happen now, but could happen in free agency) or sign a similar player someday. Betts is young enough that if you keep him you can try to make another run without Price/Sale sitting on the 60-day DL forever in 2022, and if he leaves then you didn’t need all the broken down pitchers anyway.
Even with Betts there may not be a path to contention. Not with that farm and those bad contracts. That ‘s a deep hole they’re looking at. It won’t take much to push them in.
Even trading Price for prospects to keep Betts another year doesn’t buy much.
If they’re not careful, they’ll be 2018 Detroit in 21 and beyond.
Realistically tbey needed to be careful last year, not now.
It’s not too late but it’s close.too
And if the offers for Betts are light it’s precisely because of the hole they face otherwise.
problem is the contracts for Price and Sale are so awful, no one wants them. Especially with all the health questions surrounding both of them…
This may be the highest-variance range of outcomes for the Red Sox in a long time, at least for 2020.
The fact that I’d be thrilled with Sale actually matching Frank Viola’s last five seasons…very depressing for a Red Sox fan from 2021 out. 🙁
Thanks to DJ Cummerbund, Mr. Poffo has been in more mashups posthumously than he had in his whole career behind home plate.
“Silicon Love” sounds like a really mediocre Kraftwerk song
Jeez, is Benintendi going to be an average-ish player for his whole career, with 2018 being the outlier? I was surprised by his projection, but it looks to be more in line with who he’s been every other year outside of 2018. Disappointing, I like Benintendi
Wonder if there was anything going on in 2018 that might have made that year an outlier…
FWIW, I remember looking at his 2018 batted ball data and being utterly shocked at how weak his contact was. But if there’s any cause for optimism, it’s that he hit the ball noticeably harder last year…he just also struck out more, walked less, and had fewer balls go over the fence.
As for where he goes from here, your guess is as good as mine.
I’m surprised there’s little interest in Brock Holt. He’s such a valuable player to have around.
There’s probably interest…because of his contract. Decent and cheap.
$3M won’t move the needle much, though.
Given the difficulty of receiving a lot of top prospects for only one year of Betts, would it be possible that the Red Sox work on a trade and sign deal (Betts is traded and signs an extension with his new team)? Does the commissioner have to approve this? Which teams would be open for such a deal? Marlins (they have the prospects and a lot of room in their payroll, but are one or two years away from being a contender)? Dodgers? Padres?
The league technically has to approve all trades in order to prevent teams from colluding. I don’t know of any instance when that rule has been enacted.
Bowie Kuhn did it to Charlie Finley, twice.
The second time because he was sending Vida Blue to the Reds, which were already dominant.
A lawsuit ensued.
Finley lost.
This is a very strong team , but not a deep team. I think they have a deep playoff run in them if they stay healthy. But healthy is not guaranteed, so I guess starting a rebuild is not a bad idea, but I would give it another year first. The Yankees and Ray’s aren’t THAT good!
How about 2 years of Adam Eaton for a year of Mookie Betts? I’d make that trade if I owned the Nationals. That saves the Sox $18 million this year. The best chance of a WS for the Nats is this year, so I want them to go in. Strasburg/Scherzer will break sooner rather than later.
Great write-up, Dan. This one’s my fav.