2021 ZiPS Projections: Houston Astros

After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for nine years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Houston Astros.

Batters

If you want a reason why the Houston Astros are still a dangerous team and were just a game away from making the 2020 World Series despite a losing record in the regular season, look no further than the Big Numbers in the lineup. The Astros have a lot in common with their 2019 World Series opponents, the Washington Nationals, in that they’re both teams that have been serious contenders for a numbers of years, have some extremely talented young superstars, and are suffering depth issues due to veteran attrition. Even with the loss (as of now) of Michael Brantley and George Springer, there are still a lot of highlights on the club. And the weak points of the lineup are glaringly obvious.

One of those is left field, which is a good reminder that our Depth Charts today will not be the same as they are three months from now. I would be extremely surprised if Houston started the season with Chas McCormick and/or Ronnie Dawson in left. McCormick projects better than Dawson does, but as long as the team’s still trying to contend in 2021, this is definitely a Too Soon thing. It would be a little odd to give McCormick time playing time so quickly after Kyle Tucker had to fight for years for an extended shot! Nor am I convinced that Myles Straw actually ends up the starter in center next season, though it’s more plausible than the current situation in left.

ZiPS has been all-in on Tucker for a while, so his .268/.325/.512, 125 wRC+, 1.6 WAR 2020 performance in 58 games certainly wasn’t going to make ZiPS pessimistic. We’re already almost halfway through ZiPS Season (the Astros are the 14th team) and Tucker’s rest-of-career WAR currently stands second among right fielders, behind only Mookie Betts and ahead of Aaron Judge, Michael Conforto, and Trent Grisham (in that order). Of the teams that haven’t gone yet, only two remaining right fielders had better rest-of-career projections at this time last year, and both of them have dipped below Tucker since. Even if you still consider Christian Yelich a right fielder for the sake of discussion, he had an extremely disappointing 2020 and as he’s significantly older than Tucker, every year knocks off a greater percentage of his remaining career. And while there are many reasons to be excited about Jo Adell, his 2020 was one of the most miserable debuts I can remember for a legitimate elite prospect. But more on him when the Angels go.

I love watching Yordan Alvarez when he turns on a pitch, but I’m slightly more worried about him than ZiPS, which clearly isn’t too troubled by his largely missed season. But 2019 was a huge step forward for Alvarez and I think there’s some risk in losing what ought to have been a consolidation year for him. I think he’ll still be awesome, but that concern is floating there in the periphery of my brain. Still, even getting Alvarez back at not-quite-this-projection will help mitigate the losses of Brantley and Springer, assuming that the Astros don’t have big plans to replace them.

Alex Bregman’s top comp is a player that you rarely hear talked about these days: Jim Ray Hart. The story of the 1960s Giants tends to revolve around Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, and Juan Marichal, and for obvious reasons. But during Hart’s prime years, from about 1964 to 1968, he was a key member of the lineup, good enough to finish in the top 20 in the majors in WAR among position players over that time period, a fraction of a win behind McCovey. A bad shoulder and struggles with alcoholism ended Hart’s run as a star well before he turned 30. He’ll probably be someone I feature in a future ZiPS Time Warp, but he’s an interesting and overlooked player in baseball history.

There’s a lot to like here, but the Astros have a tremendous amount of downside. Some bad injury luck to a star or two, and the depth chart thins out really fast.

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Pitchers

It’s a testament to the skills of Houston’s front office that the pitching staff wasn’t a complete wreck in 2020 after losing both Gerrit Cole and Justin Verlander. Of the nine pitchers to have a two-WAR season for the Astros from 2015, the year of their emergence, through 2019, only one, Lance McCullers Jr., will pitch for the team in 2021. That’s a lot of talent to replace under the best of circumstances. Picking up Zack Greinke without giving up any of the organization’s crown jewels was a real coup, but he can’t do it single-handedly.

ZiPS is very optimistic about McCullers and is a believer in Framber Valdez after his breakout 2020, so that at least gives the Astros three starting pitchers they can count on entering next season, which is arguably two more than they were able to last spring. Cristian Javier was effective in 2020, but his peripherals didn’t match his ERA. And ZiPS shares some of Steamer’s pessimism about Jose Urquidy, as even over a handful of starts, losing more than a third of your strikeouts is a pretty significant issue. Personally, I’m more optimistic.

Yes, there’s a Justin Verlander projection. I know he’s out for the season, but you’ve read the disclaimer on these ZiPS posts, haven’t you? If not, I’m legally entitled to eat anything I want directly out of your fridge. Losing a second consecutive season to injury may very well keep Verlander below 250 career wins; if you had told me that in December of 2019, I would have scoffed. The good news for Verlander is that he has the postseason highlights to bolster his Hall of Fame-worthy regular season performance; he’s 27th all-time in career WAR among pitchers, and I doubt he’ll have trouble getting past the Hall electors when the time comes. I ought to have my ballot then and I will be checking his box!

Both the bullpen and rotation really need depth added to them this offseason, as 2020 made it crystal-clear that the Astros don’t have any remaining margin of error over the A’s in the AL West. I think the bullpen needs at least two quality arms, while in rotation, at least one pitcher who can eat 180 league-averageish innings is the bare minimum the team ought to pursue.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here

Batters – Standard
Player B Age PO PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
Alex Bregman R 27 3B 649 546 97 153 38 3 29 95 89 86 8 2
Carlos Correa R 26 SS 508 446 67 124 23 1 24 91 53 113 2 0
George Springer R 31 CF 577 506 96 138 22 2 28 90 59 113 5 5
Kyle Tucker L 24 RF 616 557 93 154 31 7 27 103 50 127 24 4
Jose Altuve R 31 2B 587 529 89 153 27 2 23 71 50 89 13 7
Yordan Alvarez L 24 DH 449 393 66 111 25 0 28 82 51 119 4 1
Michael Brantley L 34 LF 557 505 73 151 31 2 16 70 44 67 7 2
Myles Straw R 26 CF 478 430 55 109 14 4 2 28 43 94 32 7
Aledmys Díaz R 30 SS 396 366 49 95 21 1 15 50 22 60 2 2
Abraham Toro B 24 3B 540 482 68 111 24 3 16 61 41 117 5 4
Martín Maldonado R 34 C 380 335 42 71 14 0 12 41 32 110 1 1
Jamie Ritchie R 28 C 336 296 36 69 14 0 5 26 33 76 2 0
Garrett Stubbs L 28 C 276 247 32 57 12 1 5 24 21 51 7 2
Alex De Goti R 26 2B 532 485 57 113 22 2 12 49 35 121 5 5
Drew Ferguson R 28 CF 462 404 55 93 17 3 10 40 47 125 15 6
Josh Reddick L 34 RF 481 440 54 115 19 3 11 49 36 77 4 2
Yuli Gurriel R 37 1B 528 487 62 126 28 2 16 65 28 56 2 2
Lorenzo Quintana R 32 C 320 302 37 70 15 1 13 42 11 77 5 5
Scott Manea R 25 C 353 313 36 61 11 0 10 32 24 90 0 2
Chas McCormick R 26 LF 468 415 51 101 13 4 9 40 43 80 13 4
Dustin Garneau R 33 C 230 202 23 39 8 1 7 27 20 66 0 1
Taylor Jones R 27 1B 472 421 54 95 19 1 16 54 40 131 0 1
Michael Papierski B 25 C 365 318 35 54 8 1 6 23 40 101 2 3
Jeremy Peña R 23 SS 522 476 53 110 17 5 9 40 33 113 15 9
Chuckie Robinson R 26 C 412 386 37 76 16 1 10 37 21 132 5 2
Luis Santana R 21 2B 310 282 30 64 11 0 4 21 19 50 5 4
Stephen Wrenn R 26 RF 503 457 52 97 17 4 10 42 35 154 22 6
Colton Shaver R 25 3B 477 424 53 84 18 1 19 56 42 161 1 3
J.J. Matijevic L 25 1B 421 389 48 84 20 2 17 53 27 148 9 6
Jake Meyers R 25 CF 498 453 48 91 20 2 10 39 35 134 9 9
Ronnie Dawson L 26 CF 515 465 57 94 18 2 16 51 39 180 15 12
Freudis Nova R 21 SS 422 405 42 89 17 0 12 42 15 114 15 13
Osvaldo Duarte R 25 SS 504 471 46 92 14 5 10 39 28 173 14 12
Corey Julks R 25 LF 483 436 45 92 17 2 7 33 41 133 12 8
Bryan De La Cruz R 24 RF 527 484 53 110 21 4 8 42 36 123 9 7

Batters – Advanced
Player BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP RC/27 Def WAR No. 1 Comp
Alex Bregman .280 .387 .520 143 .240 .288 7.6 0 5.9 Jim Ray Hart
Carlos Correa .278 .354 .496 127 .217 .324 6.6 1 3.9 Rico Petrocelli
George Springer .273 .355 .490 126 .217 .301 6.4 0 3.9 Moises Alou
Kyle Tucker .276 .338 .503 124 .226 .315 6.7 5 3.9 Von Hayes
Jose Altuve .289 .355 .478 123 .189 .312 6.4 -3 3.6 Bobby Avila
Yordan Alvarez .282 .365 .560 146 .277 .337 7.8 0 3.3 Kent Hrbek
Michael Brantley .299 .357 .463 121 .164 .320 6.4 2 2.9 Al Oliver
Myles Straw .253 .321 .319 75 .065 .320 4.2 6 1.3 Kevin Rhomberg
Aledmys Díaz .260 .306 .445 100 .186 .275 4.9 -3 1.3 Eric McNair
Abraham Toro .230 .307 .392 88 .162 .272 4.2 0 1.1 Rey Quinones
Martín Maldonado .212 .295 .361 77 .149 .277 3.6 3 1.0 Keith McDonald
Jamie Ritchie .233 .318 .331 77 .098 .298 3.8 2 0.9 Mike Fitzgerald
Garrett Stubbs .231 .296 .348 74 .117 .272 3.7 4 0.8 Doug Newstrom
Alex De Goti .233 .289 .361 75 .128 .287 3.6 6 0.7 Tripper Johnson
Drew Ferguson .230 .321 .361 85 .131 .309 4.1 -3 0.7 James Mouton
Josh Reddick .261 .314 .393 91 .132 .295 4.5 1 0.6 Jim Eisenreich
Yuli Gurriel .259 .303 .423 94 .164 .265 4.6 1 0.5 Ted Simmons
Lorenzo Quintana .232 .272 .417 83 .185 .269 3.8 -1 0.5 Izzy Molina
Scott Manea .195 .283 .326 65 .131 .239 3.0 3 0.4 Rob Bowen
Chas McCormick .243 .316 .359 83 .116 .282 4.2 1 0.3 Jermaine Clark
Dustin Garneau .193 .276 .347 68 .153 .248 3.1 2 0.3 Henry Blanco
Taylor Jones .226 .299 .390 85 .164 .288 4.0 2 0.1 Nick Leach
Michael Papierski .170 .274 .258 46 .088 .227 2.2 5 -0.2 Jose Molina
Jeremy Peña .231 .289 .345 71 .113 .285 3.4 -6 -0.3 Hector Luna
Chuckie Robinson .197 .245 .321 52 .124 .270 2.7 3 -0.3 Alan Probst
Luis Santana .227 .294 .309 64 .082 .263 3.1 -2 -0.4 Jodam Rivera
Stephen Wrenn .212 .274 .333 64 .120 .297 3.3 5 -0.5 Luis Terrero
Colton Shaver .198 .279 .380 76 .182 .266 3.4 -8 -0.6 Brad Seitzer
J.J. Matijevic .216 .268 .409 80 .193 .299 3.7 -2 -0.7 Tim Unroe
Jake Meyers .201 .266 .320 58 .119 .262 2.7 2 -0.7 Edward Lowery
Ronnie Dawson .202 .274 .353 69 .151 .290 3.1 -7 -1.0 Randy Salava
Freudis Nova .220 .249 .351 60 .131 .276 2.7 -7 -1.4 Diory Hernandez
Osvaldo Duarte .195 .245 .310 49 .115 .285 2.3 -6 -1.9 Dennis Walker
Corey Julks .211 .284 .307 61 .096 .287 2.9 -7 -1.9 Bobby Malek
Bryan De La Cruz .227 .283 .337 68 .110 .289 3.2 -10 -2.1 Darnell McDonald

Pitchers – Standard
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO FIP
Justin Verlander R 38 11 7 3.35 23 23 145.0 113 54 24 33 179 3.63
Zack Greinke R 37 11 8 3.74 29 29 171.0 158 71 28 33 168 3.98
Lance McCullers Jr. R 27 8 6 3.91 22 21 112.7 101 49 14 44 124 3.98
Framber Valdez L 27 9 8 4.11 30 18 124.7 112 57 14 59 131 4.13
Ryan Pressly R 32 4 2 3.02 58 0 56.7 46 19 6 16 72 2.97
Brad Peacock R 33 6 5 4.24 31 13 85.0 75 40 14 35 98 4.39
Roberto Osuna R 26 4 2 3.12 54 0 52.0 44 18 7 9 56 3.47
Josh James R 28 4 3 4.14 33 10 76.0 62 35 10 43 99 4.14
Brooks Raley L 33 6 6 4.76 24 17 104.0 106 55 15 47 85 4.98
Jose Urquidy R 26 6 6 4.83 25 21 117.3 120 63 24 33 106 4.98
Brett Conine R 24 7 7 4.82 29 17 117.7 119 63 20 47 106 4.96
Aaron Sanchez R 28 7 8 4.95 24 24 120.0 122 66 17 64 105 5.05
Luis Garcia R 24 6 6 4.71 22 15 86.0 80 45 12 54 91 4.94
Austin Pruitt R 31 5 4 4.55 29 8 87.0 93 44 14 22 71 4.50
Tyler Ivey R 25 3 3 4.74 21 16 79.7 77 42 14 32 81 4.79
Cionel Pérez L 25 3 3 4.50 29 12 74.0 71 37 10 36 72 4.57
Hector Velazquez R 32 3 3 4.56 32 10 73.0 74 37 11 30 60 4.89
Bryan Abreu R 24 4 4 4.72 28 14 80.0 69 42 11 58 94 5.02
Nivaldo Rodriguez R 24 5 5 4.89 21 12 81.0 82 44 13 36 69 5.08
Rogelio Armenteros R 27 6 7 5.15 23 20 101.3 104 58 21 42 99 5.31
Enoli Paredes R 25 5 5 4.84 32 8 74.3 65 40 12 46 87 5.00
Fernando Rodney R 44 3 3 4.14 54 0 50.0 44 23 6 26 55 4.22
Blake Taylor L 25 4 4 4.76 42 6 68.0 63 36 7 46 64 4.89
Kent Emanuel L 29 5 5 5.10 26 10 90.0 99 51 16 27 68 5.05
Humberto Castellanos R 23 3 3 4.24 33 0 63.7 66 30 8 17 48 4.30
Joe Smith R 37 3 2 4.00 41 0 36.0 34 16 5 9 34 3.93
Brandon Bielak R 25 7 8 5.33 25 19 103.0 109 61 20 48 89 5.55
Cristian Javier R 24 6 7 5.33 30 20 109.7 98 65 24 67 134 5.58
Chris Devenski R 30 3 3 4.47 48 1 54.3 51 27 11 17 60 4.65
Francis Martes R 25 0 0 5.14 4 4 14.0 13 8 2 10 16 5.11
Jonathan Bermudez L 25 3 4 5.29 18 7 51.0 51 30 9 28 48 5.42
Forrest Whitley R 23 5 6 5.49 19 16 60.7 57 37 12 42 69 5.65
Dean Deetz R 27 2 2 4.94 29 3 47.3 40 26 7 36 60 5.04
Chad Donato R 26 7 9 5.50 24 17 103.0 112 63 21 45 86 5.65
Joe Biagini R 31 2 2 4.69 53 0 55.7 57 29 8 24 49 4.69
Kit Scheetz L 27 1 1 4.70 37 0 59.3 59 31 10 23 55 4.83
Ryan Hartman L 27 5 7 5.59 23 17 103.0 112 64 23 38 90 5.62
Andre Scrubb R 26 3 3 5.05 46 1 62.3 57 35 8 48 66 5.19
Ronel Blanco R 27 3 4 5.43 31 4 58.0 58 35 9 40 54 5.56
Ralph Garza Jr. R 27 4 4 4.96 41 0 69.0 68 38 10 36 65 4.92
Layne Henderson R 25 3 3 5.21 23 0 38.0 36 22 5 30 39 5.44
Gabriel Valdez R 25 3 5 6.52 17 6 49.7 58 36 11 29 35 6.58
Colin McKee R 27 3 4 6.10 37 0 48.7 46 33 10 43 57 6.34
Chase De Jong R 27 4 7 6.50 21 18 98.3 118 71 24 40 63 6.44
Carson LaRue R 25 5 8 6.68 23 19 98.3 119 73 26 45 66 6.83

Pitchers – Advanced
Player K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BB% K% BABIP ERA+ ERA- WAR No. 1 Comp
Justin Verlander 11.1 2.0 1.5 5.7% 31.1% .265 131 77 3.5 Dennis Martinez
Zack Greinke 8.8 1.7 1.5 4.7% 24.2% .281 117 85 3.4 Claude Passeau
Lance McCullers Jr. 9.9 3.5 1.1 9.1% 25.6% .296 112 89 2.0 Tim Leary
Framber Valdez 9.5 4.3 1.0 10.8% 24.1% .294 106 94 1.8 Jim Rooker
Ryan Pressly 11.4 2.5 1.0 6.9% 31.2% .296 145 69 1.3 Mark Eichhorn
Brad Peacock 10.4 3.7 1.5 9.6% 26.9% .286 103 97 1.2 Michael LaCoss
Roberto Osuna 9.7 1.6 1.2 4.3% 26.8% .276 140 71 1.1 Rawly Eastwick
Josh James 11.7 5.1 1.2 12.9% 29.7% .294 106 95 1.0 Clay Bryant
Brooks Raley 7.4 4.1 1.3 10.1% 18.3% .294 92 109 0.9 Bill Hallahan
Jose Urquidy 8.1 2.5 1.8 6.6% 21.2% .287 91 110 0.9 Charlie Corbell
Brett Conine 8.1 3.6 1.5 9.1% 20.5% .293 91 110 0.9 Ed Linke
Aaron Sanchez 7.9 4.8 1.3 11.8% 19.3% .299 88 113 0.9 Brett Laxton
Luis Garcia 9.5 5.7 1.3 13.8% 23.3% .297 93 108 0.8 Dick Ruthven
Austin Pruitt 7.3 2.3 1.4 5.9% 19.0% .300 96 104 0.7 Bruce Dal Canton
Tyler Ivey 9.2 3.6 1.6 9.2% 23.3% .292 92 108 0.7 Roger McDowell
Cionel Pérez 8.8 4.4 1.2 11.0% 22.0% .296 97 103 0.7 Gerry Arrigo
Hector Velazquez 7.4 3.7 1.4 9.3% 18.6% .290 96 104 0.6 Hal Jeffcoat
Bryan Abreu 10.6 6.5 1.2 15.8% 25.5% .291 93 108 0.6 Bob Brown
Nivaldo Rodriguez 7.7 4.0 1.4 10.0% 19.2% .291 89 112 0.5 Gordon Rhodes
Rogelio Armenteros 8.8 3.7 1.9 9.4% 22.1% .295 85 118 0.5 Steve Cummings
Enoli Paredes 10.5 5.6 1.5 13.8% 26.0% .288 90 111 0.4 Heathcliff Slocumb
Fernando Rodney 9.9 4.7 1.1 11.9% 25.1% .292 106 95 0.3 Joe Heving
Blake Taylor 8.5 6.1 0.9 14.7% 20.4% .293 92 109 0.3 Luke Walker
Kent Emanuel 6.8 2.7 1.6 6.9% 17.3% .299 86 117 0.3 Mike Caldwell
Humberto Castellanos 6.8 2.4 1.1 6.2% 17.6% .296 103 97 0.3 Bill Castro
Joe Smith 8.5 2.3 1.3 6.0% 22.8% .290 109 91 0.3 Clay Carroll
Brandon Bielak 7.8 4.2 1.7 10.3% 19.1% .295 82 122 0.2 Sean White
Cristian Javier 11.0 5.5 2.0 13.6% 27.2% .282 82 122 0.2 Bart Evans
Chris Devenski 9.9 2.8 1.8 7.4% 26.2% .288 98 102 0.2 Brad Havens
Francis Martes 10.3 6.4 1.3 15.4% 24.6% .306 85 118 0.1 Ben Fritz
Jonathan Bermudez 8.5 4.9 1.6 12.1% 20.8% .294 83 121 0.1 Ted Bowsfield
Forrest Whitley 10.2 6.2 1.8 15.1% 24.7% .292 80 125 0.0 Jerry Stephenson
Dean Deetz 11.4 6.8 1.3 16.5% 27.5% .295 88 113 0.0 Clay Bryant
Chad Donato 7.5 3.9 1.8 9.7% 18.5% .297 79 126 0.0 Sean White
Joe Biagini 7.9 3.9 1.3 9.8% 19.9% .301 93 107 0.0 Jim Coates
Kit Scheetz 8.3 3.5 1.5 8.9% 21.2% .292 93 107 0.0 Gabe Gonzalez
Ryan Hartman 7.9 3.3 2.0 8.3% 19.7% .296 78 128 -0.1 Heath Phillips
Andre Scrubb 9.5 6.9 1.2 16.5% 22.7% .295 87 116 -0.2 Hal Reniff
Ronel Blanco 8.4 6.2 1.4 14.8% 19.9% .297 81 124 -0.2 Ken Wright
Ralph Garza Jr. 8.5 4.7 1.3 11.6% 21.0% .297 88 113 -0.2 Barry Hertzler
Layne Henderson 9.2 7.1 1.2 16.7% 21.7% .301 84 119 -0.2 Dave Cole
Gabriel Valdez 6.3 5.3 2.0 12.3% 14.9% .299 67 149 -0.7 Jason Szuminski
Colin McKee 10.5 8.0 1.8 18.3% 24.3% .295 72 139 -0.8 Johnny Humphries
Chase De Jong 5.8 3.7 2.2 8.9% 14.0% .296 67 149 -1.0 Pat Ahearne
Carson LaRue 6.0 4.1 2.4 9.8% 14.4% .296 65 153 -1.2 Brian Ahern

Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2021 due to injury, and players who were released in 2020. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a Finnish industrial death metal fourth-wave ska J-pop band, he’s still listed here intentionally.

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2021; if it does not, there will be widespread minor adjustments across the board come April.

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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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hombremomento
5 years ago

Me, as an Astros fan, has very mixed emotions about next year. I’m all in for Kyle, Yordan, Javier, and Valdez (All of which shot up to some of my favorites) however I’m weary about our outfield, because Reddick is dim, Springer might be gone and so may Brantley.

JJWattsArmBrace
5 years ago
Reply to  hombremomento

Finding a couple of outfielders who can be competent on offense is pretty easy (regardless of if they bring Springer or Brantley back) so I’m not concerned about the lineup in the least given the return of Alvarez is a major boost and Bregman and Altuve should bounce back pretty well.

I’m much more concerned about how the Astros cobble together the pitching to survive 162 games (potentially) given the injury histories of McCullers and Pressly and that they are already three to four arms short of where they need to be with minimal funds available. James Click will need to get creative this offseason I believe.

hombremomento
5 years ago

Yeah our pitching was way off the mark this year, hope the situation with JV gets fixed

dl80Member since 2020
5 years ago

The Astros would be well served by getting someone like Puig on a short deal.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

Find OF Easy? Tell that to Cleveland!

VinnieDaGooch
5 years ago
Reply to  hombremomento

I think you meant wary

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  VinnieDaGooch

JJWattsArmBrace gets weary… yes he gets so weary……. Bull Durham anyone?

Mean Mr. Mustard
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Weary. Women don’t get wooly.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

You are always, regardless of circumstance, allowed to eat anything out of my fridge. Be warned, however, that every single item is made with Cincinnati Chili. Ravioli. Turnovers. Peppers. Milk.

JimMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Dan, you would take one look in my fridge, close it quickly, and keep on going.

Shirtless Bartolo Colon
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Don’t think any of his stuff could crack my Fridge Five.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

On another note…this might be too late to change for this year, but it would be awesome if you could put the PAs and IPs in the “advanced” table. Good to be able to see how much they’re projected for in terms of WAR while looking at the playing times projections.

Joe Joe
5 years ago

On Cristian Javier’s peripherals, he lead all starters in average launch angle, and was third in pop up %. He’s got 5 years of professional ball that suggests he’s got a repeatable skill at generating pop ups and harmless flies at an extreme rate (almost every minor leaguer with his extreme pop up rates, innings, and FIP-ERA were able to have ERAs significantly less than their FIPs in the majors). While I don’t expect ZiPs to be able to pick up someone like Javier after a 60-game season, I didn’t expect an extreme fly ball pitcher to be called out on weak peripherals when xFIP, FIP, K%, BB%, and HR% should not be considered peripherals any more. While I can see thinking he won’t match his 3.48 ERA, his PCRA of 4.32 seems more reasonable as an ERA estimate than a 5.33 ERA projection.

Though, if his ERA as a starter gets over 4.50, I expect he’ll switch to a reliever as his “peripherals” are very good in the 1st inning and in 1 inning stints.

dl80Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

He was seventh best on infield fly balls last year, but there isn’t much to suggest his home run rate will come down. He’s getting lots of harmless popups and flyballs, but also a bunch of harmful ones.

If the strikeouts don’t increase, he’s stuck as a mid-rotation pitcher at best.

Joe Joe
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

7th? Not sure what minimum’s you are using, but Fiers and Garcia are the only starters with 30 innings+ with a higher pop up percentage (pop ups/BIP and not pop ups/FBs). Javier gives up a lot of homers as that is the risk he’s taking by going up in the zone looking for Ks and pop ups.

If Javier can repeat his ability to generate pop ups and harmless flies (even with the associated homers), he’s going to be a mid-rotation pitcher at worst. If he can’t repeat his pop up rates, he’ll go to the pen and his strikeouts will jump as his K% drops a lot after the 1st.

MikeD
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

A mid-rotation starter would actually be quite good.

tomerafan
5 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

Agree with all – you beat me to the punch. Also, he’s still a babe in terms of actual pitching experience and there is plenty of room for growth.

I think the K rate will come up a tick; I feel like I saw him get a lot of batters to two strikes and then induce a pop-up rather than put the batter away with a K, and the continued development of an out-pitch will help him.

On the flipside – he didn’t have to pitch in the AL East in 2020. He will likely run into trouble in Yankee Stadium and Fenway without an out pitch.

fredsbankMember since 2020
5 years ago

I think we saw true talent numbers from pretty much the whole offense. We can pretty safely say the sign stealing was a gigantic reason for their success, given how hard and how far their hitters fell. Sub-.500 is the new Astros reality, hopefully they lose 100, but I doubt it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  fredsbank

I am pretty sure Jose Altuve is not a true-talent 77 wRC+, but if going from sign-stealing to not-sign-stealing has messed up his equilibrium going forward that would be poetic. (similar, but to a less dramatic extent, for Correa).

fredsbankMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Altuve probably underperformed a little. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if spending 3 years reliant on cheating like he was ruined whatever acumen he may have had beforehand.

hombremomento
5 years ago
Reply to  fredsbank

He cheated and it made him way better, but don’t lie to yourself. Did he cheat in 2017? Absolutely- the proof says so. There’s no proof for 2018 or 2019

PhilMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  hombremomento

But if he cheated in ’17, didn’t get caught, and if it made him way better – as you said – why wouldn’t he/they continue in ’18 and ’19?

There is no substantial proof of cheating in ’18 and ’19 – but the walk off jersey thing was pretty weird – and I’m happy for future HoF voters to treat his 17 – 19 seasons with a large amount of scepticism- especially if his ’21 is another down year.

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  hombremomento

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

People of authority often won’t look for proof and say they found none, people with the means stop looking and the heat is over. It’s a classic. And why would the league want to go through another colonoscopy? It’s one of those things where you don’t want people to know how it’s made because it isn’t as idealistic to the brand. You know like hot dogs and bologna. It’s unsettling. Sometimes you can’t live with it.

Those people don’t win, so why correct them? They will never get satisfaction regardless of the truth of the matter. It helps them justify the incongruities they see, just like believing no proof helps you. It doesn’t matter because the tree is on the ground for good.

baubo
5 years ago
Reply to  Manco

If we go under the assumption that the Astros continued to and benefited from cheating in 2018 and 2019, then there should be no reason why Brantley and Springer should have any value on the FA market. Yet no team has been shying away from Springer (hard to say with Brantley cause less news about him and all). All signs point to teams valuing Springer as a star FA. Which you’d think would make no sense if his production for 3 straight years were product of cheating.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  baubo

To be fair, those two guys were both pretty good in 2020 too.

There are a couple of ways to read the data. The first is that, after abandoning it in 2018, Carlos Correa and Marwin Gonzalez (and to a lesser extent, George Springer and Jose Altuve) suffered notable drops in production. Of course, Alex Bregman was a monster in 2018 and 2019, so that isn’t easy to work with.

The second is, after abandoning it in 2020, Jose Altuve, Yuli Gurriel, and Alex Bregman suffered notable drops in production. But of course, Gurriel was not good in 2017 and 2018, and George Springer and Michael Brantley were pretty good across both years.

A lot of this is trying to fit a narrative to very noisy data, to the point where the data doesn’t exactly support any narrative. I think it’s pretty likely that the Astros kept trying to steal signs after 2017–the Nationals got warned by all kinds of teams about this. But also, there’s no easy way to prove it, nor a good idea of what (if any) effect this has for projecting them forward.

Excepting, ironically, Springer and Brantley. Their consistency across 2019 and 2020 suggests they’re just good hitters, period.

baubo
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There is no need to read into data given that the Astros scheme was clearly known by tons of teams into 2018. They had lots of people leaving the team following the year both players and front office people. Everyone knew they just never said anything until Fiers.

Fans also clearly overstate how much teams and players even care about the lack of morality given that their free agents havent really suffered. The Yankees fans were clamoring for Cole and didnt think he knew anything while also adamant that Altuve wore a wire in 2019 ALCS.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  baubo

If Springer drops off with his new tea, that’ll be pretty damning.

mhagerstrom
5 years ago

As you say, Justin good overall post-season, but WS 0-6, 5.68 ERA, ouch.

Cave Dameron
5 years ago
Reply to  mhagerstrom

Justin Kershlander.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

I’m a Alvarez fan, but holy hell projected to be the 4th best hitter in baseball? That is crazy.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

Every single scout who has ever seen Alvarez play has come back and said that he was unathletic, had no quick-twitch, looked heavy, etc. But also, he hit 27 home runs in 370 PAs, ran an OBP of .412, had excellent EVs, and was the second-best hitter in baseball in 2019 if you brought it down to 350 PAs or so. And that was also entirely consistent with his minor league record, too. This is a guy who can regress a lot and still be a Top 20 bat in baseball, and yet there’s nothing that would predict that except that virtually anyone with a 170-180 wRC+ regresses.

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

“Every single scout who has ever seen Alvarez play has come back and said that he was unathletic, had no quick-twitch, looked heavy, etc.” Which is why I will be rooting for Alvarez at every at-bat. On the other hand, if the scouts are rating his girlfriend as only a 6, well, that is a different story…

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

A six for a girlfriend? Doesn’t that mean he has no confidence?

thebearproofsuit
5 years ago

Altuve .289 /27 HRs? …..taking the under there.

.261 / 12 Hrs

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

US Election issues solved as Justin Verlander just became El Presidente!!!!!!!!

BKArbourMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

We could do worse…and probably will.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago

That is an AGGRESSIVE Bregman prediction. Does ZIPS think league offense will decrease on the whole?

Joe Joe
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

What is aggressive about it? That looks like his stat line in 2018, 2019, and 2020 before he pulled his hammy.

miltonfriedman
5 years ago

I think some of the comps should be Milli Vanilli,Enron, Jose Canseco,Eric Gagne

bdumasMember since 2020
5 years ago

I’m guessing this has been covered before, but what accounts for the difference in WAR between the ball field graphic numbers and those in the table? E.g., McCullers has a 3.4 in the graphic and 2.0 in the table. thanks.

bdumasMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  bdumas

I figured it out – adjusted for playing time.