2021 ZiPS Projections: Washington Nationals

After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for nine years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Washington Nationals.

Batters

There are a lot of names from the 2019 World Series championship that are no longer here, but the two most important ones are: Juan Soto and Trea Turner. After missing Opening Day due to a positive COVID-19 test result, Soto made up for lost time, playing like a man possessed and hitting .351/.490/.695, one of those lines mainly produced by players with Hall of Fame plaques. He now has a 152 wRC+ in 1,349 major league plate appearances and turned 22 a month after his season ended.

There are 14 players in major league history with a wRC+ of at least 130 in at least a thousand plate appearances before their age-22 season. The two other active players besides Soto, Mike Trout and Ronald Acuña Jr., are two of the other brightest young superstars in the game (or at least youngish in Trout’s case). Another is Tony Conigliaro, one of the game’s saddest examples of a brutal injury derailing a career. Everyone else on the list is a Hall of Famer. And I’m not talking run-of-the-mill Hall of Famers; this is a list that features Jimmie Foxx, Rogers Hornsby, Ty Cobb, and Mickey Mantle. The worst of this group is either Ken Griffey Jr. or Arky Vaughan. As such, Soto gets Ted Williams as his top offensive comp at his age. Not the Ted Williams who played in the minors for the Mariners, not a data error that led to an odd result, but the Ted Williams. I believe this is a first.

No matter where the Nats go from here, the team’s first priority ought to be locking up Soto’s services with a very, very lucrative contract for a very, very long time. Whether rebuilding, retooling, or pushing in the whole stack of chips, Soto is a foundational talent any team can build around. I’m a fan of Bryce Harper, but he was no Soto.

Next to Soto, it’s almost possible to forget about Turner, but that would be a mistake. Turner was even better than Soto overall in 2020, hitting .335/.398/.588 as a shortstop. Snagging Turner in a three-way deal, getting one over on the Rays and Padres, and somehow getting the best player in a Wil Myers trade that didn’t really involve his team will always be up there in president Mike Rizzo’s career highlights. Decision time on Turner is coming fairly quickly, however, as he’s only two years away from free agency, so the Nats are going to have to consider where they are as a team.

That’s the big question for the Nats. Like a lot of champions, the team blew hot and cold in their follow-up campaign. They did their best to mitigate the loss of Anthony Rendon, but it was a real hit to the team’s present-day roster and they’ve bled talent elsewhere. Adam Eaton’s miserable 2020 made the decision to decline his option easier, but that doesn’t answer how to fill another hole on the team. ZiPS is confident about better times ahead for Victor Robles, but Washington needs serious upgrades in left field, and at second and first base. And unlike last year, they aren’t so good that they can afford to just shuffle around with Ryan Zimmerman and whatever unsigned first baseman is looking for a team in March.

Pitchers

Max Scherzer showed some signs of mild decline in 2020: his control wasn’t quite as sharp, his swinging strikes dipped to his lowest percentage in years, and his fastball didn’t get quite the results it has in the past despite the velocity holding. But the word “mild” is key here. There’s no reason to actually be concerned, just enough to possibly put him an extra hair or so behind Jacob deGrom in the mental rankings of Cy Young candidates. This is hardly a major shock for a pitcher who turned 36 at the start of the 2020 season. The downhill slope is coming, but he’s still near the top of that hill. Importantly, it also likely ends in Cooperstown. If 76 projected WAR isn’t enough to make Hall of Fame voters check the Silver Hammer’s box, the 233 projected wins and his postseason performance plus bulldog reputation likely will be.

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Stephen Strasburg missed most of the season due to injury, but in this case, it was a less concerning nerve issue in his wrist rather than the more traditional pitcher season-enders related to elbows or shoulders. Both Strasburg and the team believed discretion was the better part of valor here, and even though he pitched well through the pain, they decided to take the long view and avoid further damage. Assuming he’s healthy, I have few worries about Strasburg.

I’m slightly more concerned about Patrick Corbin given his velocity loss and the big drop-off in his slider. ZiPS isn’t panicking, however, and he still projects as one of the better third-starters in the league.

If I were a Nats fan, I’d be very happy and confident about the rotation’s top three. And I’d think about them non-stop because it would keep me from thinking about…the others. The back of the team’s rotation is very iffy and it’s a testament to the front-end talent that the Nats currently rank third in our depth chart rankings among starting pitchers. The bullpen remains in serious need of a talent infusion; ZiPS has most of the projected pen with an ERA+ under 100. The offseason is long, but they have a lot of work to do this winter.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here

Batters – Standard
Player B Age PO PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
Juan Soto L 22 LF 640 528 122 161 34 4 37 141 105 107 16 3
Trea Turner R 28 SS 650 593 108 176 34 8 26 84 51 111 38 8
Victor Robles R 24 CF 583 517 74 132 27 5 14 62 35 135 23 7
Carter Kieboom R 23 SS 537 462 70 116 19 2 12 62 60 122 3 3
Starlin Castro R 31 2B 587 552 69 157 29 3 19 75 28 103 3 2
Adam Eaton L 32 RF 540 476 76 129 25 4 11 47 45 91 11 2
Yan Gomes R 33 C 378 344 42 87 18 1 13 49 25 86 2 0
Jacob Wilson R 30 3B 463 409 57 101 21 1 17 63 42 99 2 1
Asdrúbal Cabrera B 35 3B 500 451 60 118 26 3 18 79 42 94 1 0
Mac Williamson R 30 LF 345 312 45 77 15 0 17 59 27 89 3 2
Tres Barrera R 26 C 387 353 40 82 19 1 9 38 26 86 1 1
Raudy Read R 27 C 396 373 44 95 20 3 14 54 18 81 1 1
Andrew Stevenson L 27 CF 447 407 53 107 21 5 9 49 31 116 12 4
Howie Kendrick R 37 1B 357 327 45 97 17 0 10 51 22 54 2 1
Eric Thames L 34 1B 386 339 48 78 16 2 18 52 41 120 4 1
Jakson Reetz R 25 C 374 331 40 68 13 1 11 41 32 114 2 3
Kurt Suzuki R 37 C 327 292 37 78 16 0 10 54 22 45 1 0
Luis García L 21 SS 559 535 64 141 24 4 9 52 19 106 8 5
Ryan Zimmerman R 36 1B 352 320 42 83 18 1 14 58 27 71 1 0
Welington Castillo R 34 C 301 282 27 69 13 0 12 49 16 84 0 0
Yadiel Hernandez L 33 LF 410 369 50 94 17 1 16 56 36 104 3 2
Adrían Sanchez R 30 SS 371 348 38 88 19 2 5 34 17 65 8 4
Brock Holt L 33 2B 333 294 36 73 15 1 4 29 31 70 4 3
Alex Dunlap R 26 C 249 219 24 42 9 0 6 21 23 83 0 0
Josh Harrison R 33 2B 343 310 37 77 13 1 7 37 18 59 5 4
Wilmer Difo B 29 2B 382 345 43 82 12 3 5 29 31 76 8 4
JB Shuck L 34 RF 302 276 30 71 15 2 4 25 23 39 5 3
Jake Noll R 27 3B 486 457 52 114 18 2 10 45 20 97 5 2
Yasmany Tomás R 30 1B 432 412 49 105 22 3 19 68 17 123 2 0
Cole Freeman R 26 2B 544 487 58 116 25 3 4 37 37 84 21 7
Luis Sardiñas B 28 SS 338 313 34 81 14 1 5 29 16 56 3 6
Jake Lowery L 30 C 86 76 8 13 3 0 2 7 10 32 0 0
Brandon Snyder R 34 1B 421 387 50 85 18 1 19 61 25 151 2 1
Bengie González B 31 SS 345 317 31 70 14 2 3 24 23 67 6 4
Nick Banks L 26 RF 501 468 48 107 21 3 9 45 25 131 7 4
Omar Meregildo R 23 3B 331 301 33 60 14 1 10 34 25 115 0 1
Rafael Bautista R 28 CF 168 156 14 34 4 1 1 9 8 31 5 2
KJ Harrison R 24 1B 507 458 53 94 24 1 16 57 43 165 1 2
Emilio Bonifácio B 36 CF 244 227 27 54 10 3 4 24 12 55 9 7
Manuel Geraldo B 24 SS 540 511 51 114 17 6 9 51 24 161 13 5
Kyle Marinconz L 25 2B 361 330 34 69 10 2 4 24 26 95 7 4
Aldrem Corredor L 25 1B 515 478 48 111 24 2 8 48 30 131 1 1
Israel Pineda R 21 C 359 333 34 66 9 0 8 28 20 109 1 2
Jacob Rhinesmith L 25 RF 463 421 47 95 19 3 6 38 35 94 9 3
Gage Canning L 24 RF 374 346 31 66 13 5 5 30 22 136 6 4

Batters – Advanced
Player BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP RC/27 Def WAR No. 1 Comp
Juan Soto .305 .420 .595 160 .290 .323 9.9 -2 6.3 Ted Williams
Trea Turner .297 .355 .513 122 .216 .329 7.4 -2 5.2 Jim Fregosi
Victor Robles .255 .327 .408 90 .153 .321 5.0 5 2.4 Jerome Walton
Carter Kieboom .251 .348 .379 90 .128 .317 4.7 -1 2.0 Ron Wotus
Starlin Castro .284 .319 .451 97 .167 .321 5.4 -3 1.9 Freddy Sanchez
Adam Eaton .271 .346 .410 96 .139 .316 5.4 3 1.8 Mike Kreevich
Yan Gomes .253 .312 .424 89 .172 .302 4.9 1 1.6 Mike Heath
Jacob Wilson .247 .320 .428 92 .181 .287 4.9 0 1.4 Brad Seitzer
Asdrúbal Cabrera .262 .324 .452 99 .191 .295 5.4 -7 1.3 Bill Mueller
Mac Williamson .247 .313 .458 97 .212 .291 5.1 1 1.0 Ernie Young
Tres Barrera .232 .293 .368 71 .136 .283 3.8 4 0.9 Dave Vangorder
Raudy Read .255 .290 .437 86 .182 .291 4.6 -3 0.9 Edwin Bellorin
Andrew Stevenson .263 .320 .405 87 .143 .348 4.9 -5 0.8 Cesar Geronimo
Howie Kendrick .297 .342 .440 102 .144 .331 5.8 -2 0.7 Juan Beniquez
Eric Thames .230 .324 .448 98 .218 .299 5.2 -2 0.7 Chris Richard
Jakson Reetz .205 .292 .350 67 .145 .277 3.4 3 0.7 Marc Sullivan
Kurt Suzuki .267 .330 .425 95 .158 .287 5.2 -8 0.7 Bob Boone
Luis García .264 .288 .374 71 .110 .314 3.9 1 0.6 Ozzie Guillen
Ryan Zimmerman .259 .318 .453 98 .194 .294 5.3 -2 0.5 Jeff Conine
Welington Castillo .245 .289 .418 81 .174 .306 4.3 -3 0.5 Damian Miller
Yadiel Hernandez .255 .320 .436 95 .182 .313 5.0 -3 0.5 Joel Youngblood
Adrían Sanchez .253 .289 .362 68 .109 .299 3.8 3 0.4 Carlos Garcia
Brock Holt .248 .327 .347 76 .099 .314 4.0 -1 0.4 Dave Berg
Alex Dunlap .192 .281 .315 55 .123 .277 3.0 4 0.3 Adam Donachie
Josh Harrison .248 .307 .365 74 .116 .287 3.9 -1 0.2 Warren Morris
Wilmer Difo .238 .300 .333 65 .096 .292 3.5 3 0.1 Kevin Castleberry
JB Shuck .257 .316 .370 78 .112 .288 4.2 0 0.0 Orlando Palmeiro
Jake Noll .249 .287 .363 68 .114 .297 3.8 0 0.0 Steve Springer
Yasmany Tomás .255 .285 .461 90 .206 .319 4.8 -5 0.0 Kevin Young
Cole Freeman .238 .303 .326 64 .088 .281 3.7 -1 0.0 Jay Pecci
Luis Sardiñas .259 .297 .358 70 .099 .302 3.6 -1 0.0 Al Pedrique
Jake Lowery .171 .267 .289 45 .118 .262 2.5 -1 -0.2 Tom Nieto
Brandon Snyder .220 .276 .419 77 .199 .304 4.0 0 -0.3 Leroy Stanton
Bengie González .221 .273 .306 51 .085 .271 2.8 2 -0.4 Chris Petersen
Nick Banks .229 .273 .344 59 .115 .299 3.3 9 -0.4 Gregory Thomson
Omar Meregildo .199 .267 .352 59 .153 .284 3.1 0 -0.4 Christian Snavely
Rafael Bautista .218 .265 .276 42 .058 .266 2.6 1 -0.5 Ric Johnson
KJ Harrison .205 .278 .367 66 .162 .282 3.4 4 -0.5 Felix Colon
Emilio Bonifácio .238 .278 .361 65 .123 .298 3.3 -5 -0.7 Willie McGee
Manuel Geraldo .223 .259 .333 53 .110 .308 3.1 0 -0.8 Buddy Biancalana
Kyle Marinconz .209 .272 .288 47 .079 .281 2.6 -2 -1.1 Jonathan Schuerholz
Aldrem Corredor .232 .279 .341 61 .109 .304 3.3 2 -1.1 Travis Hinton
Israel Pineda .198 .249 .297 42 .099 .269 2.4 -2 -1.2 Drew McMillan
Jacob Rhinesmith .226 .290 .328 61 .102 .277 3.4 -3 -1.3 Erold Andrus
Gage Canning .191 .245 .301 41 .110 .298 2.4 -1 -1.9 Mickey Hall

Pitchers – Standard
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO FIP
Max Scherzer R 36 13 6 3.22 27 27 164.7 136 59 24 40 219 3.29
Patrick Corbin L 31 12 8 4.00 30 29 173.3 172 77 25 52 186 3.86
Stephen Strasburg R 32 9 5 3.50 21 21 126.0 111 49 15 37 142 3.50
Steven Fuentes R 24 8 6 4.40 35 13 104.3 106 51 16 34 97 4.44
Tim Cate L 23 8 8 4.95 20 20 100.0 108 55 17 31 80 4.90
Mario Sanchez R 26 8 8 5.08 27 21 113.3 127 64 23 24 89 5.04
Sterling Sharp R 26 6 6 4.95 19 17 87.3 98 48 11 34 61 4.79
Will Harris R 36 3 2 3.50 53 0 46.3 42 18 5 13 48 3.42
Austen Williams R 28 5 5 4.75 26 11 77.7 83 41 12 28 67 4.74
Kyle McGowin R 29 5 5 5.03 23 16 91.3 95 51 16 32 91 4.68
Carson Teel L 25 4 4 4.96 22 12 74.3 79 41 11 29 59 4.85
Sean Doolittle L 34 4 3 3.77 47 0 43.0 39 18 7 10 48 3.83
Austin Voth R 29 7 8 5.32 25 24 116.7 128 69 23 40 105 5.15
Wander Suero R 29 6 4 4.09 66 0 66.0 62 30 8 24 70 3.91
Erick Fedde R 28 5 6 5.25 26 19 106.3 119 62 18 42 79 5.22
Aníbal Sánchez R 37 7 8 5.42 22 21 111.3 123 67 23 39 94 5.34
Joe Ross R 28 5 5 5.32 28 16 93.0 104 55 17 33 77 5.09
Ryne Harper R 32 3 2 4.37 51 0 55.7 56 27 9 15 54 4.26
Tanner Rainey R 28 4 3 4.55 60 0 57.3 43 29 8 44 86 4.51
James Bourque R 27 4 -56 4.92 38 4 60.3 58 33 8 33 64 4.57
Sam Clay L 28 4 4 4.93 42 3 65.7 65 36 6 47 57 4.96
Allen Webster R 31 3 3 5.26 17 6 37.7 42 22 6 16 30 5.17
Kyle Finnegan R 29 3 2 4.61 47 0 52.7 50 27 8 26 57 4.59
Ben Braymer L 27 5 6 5.62 21 17 91.3 103 57 17 43 74 5.56
Ryan Tapani R 27 4 5 5.37 21 6 62.0 68 37 12 22 52 5.28
Kevin Quackenbush R 32 3 3 4.70 50 0 53.7 52 28 10 17 62 4.35
Roenis Elías L 32 4 4 5.25 34 6 61.7 67 36 10 26 48 5.09
Seth Romero L 25 0 0 5.40 4 4 13.3 13 8 2 7 14 4.83
Aaron Barrett R 33 0 0 4.68 34 0 32.7 32 17 4 17 31 4.62
Daniel Hudson R 34 5 4 4.78 55 0 52.7 49 28 9 25 56 4.93
Jacob Condra-Bogan R 26 5 5 5.01 39 1 55.7 62 31 10 13 40 4.94
Paolo Espino R 34 4 5 5.79 19 13 74.7 83 48 19 24 72 5.68
Jake Irvin R 24 5 6 5.86 19 18 83.0 95 54 16 36 60 5.72
Dakota Bacus R 30 3 3 5.16 37 1 45.3 47 26 7 24 40 5.14
Javy Guerra R 35 2 2 5.06 43 0 53.3 56 30 9 19 47 4.79
Joan Adon R 22 4 6 5.91 19 14 70.0 76 46 11 45 53 5.85
Wil Crowe R 26 6 8 5.92 20 20 100.3 116 66 20 45 79 5.72
Sam Freeman L 34 2 2 5.19 38 0 43.3 43 25 5 28 39 4.96
Gabe Klobosits R 26 0 0 5.82 17 0 21.7 23 14 3 14 17 5.49
Ronald Peña R 29 1 2 5.70 37 0 47.3 49 30 8 30 45 5.57
Frankie Bartow R 24 2 2 6.06 29 0 35.7 43 24 7 14 19 6.01
Merandy Gonzalez R 25 3 5 6.26 34 8 64.7 72 45 11 45 51 6.04
Jackson Tetreault R 25 5 8 6.29 24 24 113.0 136 79 23 59 82 6.13
Joan Baez R 26 5 8 6.35 34 12 79.3 88 56 12 64 59 6.27

Pitchers – Advanced
Player K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BB% K% BABIP ERA+ ERA- WAR No. 1 Comp
Max Scherzer 12.0 2.2 1.3 6.0% 32.7% .296 140 72 4.3 Curt Schilling
Patrick Corbin 9.7 2.7 1.3 7.1% 25.3% .313 113 89 3.1 Jimmy Key
Stephen Strasburg 10.1 2.6 1.1 7.1% 27.1% .296 129 78 2.9 Dolf Luque
Steven Fuentes 8.4 2.9 1.4 7.5% 21.5% .301 102 98 1.3 Si Johnson
Tim Cate 7.2 2.8 1.5 7.1% 18.3% .299 91 110 0.8 Rich Rundles
Mario Sanchez 7.1 1.9 1.8 4.9% 18.2% .301 89 113 0.8 Dave Eiland
Sterling Sharp 6.3 3.5 1.1 8.7% 15.5% .310 91 110 0.7 Rick Aguilera
Will Harris 9.3 2.5 1.0 6.8% 25.0% .296 129 78 0.7 Paul Quantrill
Austen Williams 7.8 3.2 1.4 8.2% 19.5% .307 95 105 0.7 Jack Lamabe
Kyle McGowin 9.0 3.2 1.6 8.0% 22.8% .309 90 112 0.7 Mike Grace
Carson Teel 7.1 3.5 1.3 8.8% 17.9% .301 91 110 0.5 Al Aber
Sean Doolittle 10.0 2.1 1.5 5.7% 27.3% .291 120 84 0.5 Jamie Walker
Austin Voth 8.1 3.1 1.8 7.7% 20.3% .307 85 118 0.5 Frank Campos
Wander Suero 9.5 3.3 1.1 8.5% 24.6% .303 110 91 0.5 Doug Sisk
Erick Fedde 6.7 3.6 1.5 8.8% 16.6% .303 86 116 0.5 Jim McDonald
Aníbal Sánchez 7.6 3.2 1.9 7.9% 19.1% .301 83 120 0.4 Aaron Sele
Joe Ross 7.5 3.2 1.6 8.0% 18.6% .309 85 118 0.3 Bill Swift
Ryne Harper 8.7 2.4 1.5 6.4% 22.9% .301 103 97 0.2 Bobby Tiefenauer
Tanner Rainey 13.5 6.9 1.3 16.9% 33.1% .297 99 101 0.2 Doug Bochtler
James Bourque 9.5 4.9 1.2 12.2% 23.6% .307 92 109 0.2 Jose Segura
Sam Clay 7.8 6.4 0.8 15.3% 18.5% .304 91 110 0.1 Dan McGinn
Allen Webster 7.2 3.8 1.4 9.4% 17.5% .310 86 117 0.1 Karl Drews
Kyle Finnegan 9.7 4.4 1.4 11.2% 24.5% .300 98 102 0.1 Bill Zuber
Ben Braymer 7.3 4.2 1.7 10.3% 17.7% .308 80 125 0.1 John Courtright
Ryan Tapani 7.5 3.2 1.7 8.0% 18.9% .303 84 119 0.1 Reid Santos
Kevin Quackenbush 10.4 2.9 1.7 7.4% 27.1% .304 96 104 0.1 Mike Schooler
Roenis Elías 7.0 3.8 1.5 9.5% 17.5% .302 86 117 0.1 Gene Bearden
Seth Romero 9.5 4.7 1.4 11.7% 23.3% .306 83 120 0.0 Derek Thompson
Aaron Barrett 8.5 4.7 1.1 11.6% 21.1% .301 96 104 0.0 Milo Candini
Daniel Hudson 9.6 4.3 1.5 10.7% 24.0% .288 94 106 0.0 Don McMahon
Jacob Condra-Bogan 6.5 2.1 1.6 5.4% 16.6% .297 90 111 -0.1 Pedro Borbon
Paolo Espino 8.7 2.9 2.3 7.3% 21.8% .303 78 128 -0.1 Kevin Jarvis
Jake Irvin 6.5 3.9 1.7 9.5% 15.8% .302 77 130 -0.1 Preston Larrison
Dakota Bacus 7.9 4.8 1.4 11.7% 19.4% .301 87 115 -0.1 Gary Wagner
Javy Guerra 7.9 3.2 1.5 8.2% 20.2% .301 89 112 -0.1 Bob Scanlan
Joan Adon 6.8 5.8 1.4 13.6% 16.0% .300 76 131 -0.2 Blue Moon Odom
Wil Crowe 7.1 4.0 1.8 9.8% 17.2% .310 76 131 -0.2 Rick Sutcliffe
Sam Freeman 8.1 5.8 1.0 14.0% 19.5% .302 87 115 -0.2 Marshall Bridges
Gabe Klobosits 7.1 5.8 1.2 13.9% 16.8% .303 77 129 -0.2 Ken Wright
Ronald Peña 8.6 5.7 1.5 13.6% 20.4% .304 79 127 -0.5 Gary Wagner
Frankie Bartow 4.8 3.5 1.8 8.6% 11.7% .298 74 134 -0.5 Steve Barber
Merandy Gonzalez 7.1 6.3 1.5 14.6% 16.5% .307 72 139 -0.6 Lloyd Allen
Jackson Tetreault 6.5 4.7 1.8 11.1% 15.4% .313 72 140 -0.6 Jake Joseph
Joan Baez 6.7 7.3 1.4 16.5% 15.2% .305 71 141 -0.7 Brett Merriman

Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2021 due to injury, and players who were released in 2020. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a Finnish industrial death metal fourth-wave ska J-pop band, he’s still listed here intentionally.

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2021; if it does not, there will be widespread minor adjustments across the board come April.

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J.D. MartinMember since 2020
5 years ago

Juan Soto with the casual Ted Williams comp. Wow

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  J.D. Martin

I’m totally down with Soto down as the best offensive player of his generation, but since Williams was the greatest offensive player of his generation plus or minus one, plus missing a bunch of his years to wartime service, this is a bit much for me. Isn’t there some other super-important hall of famer we could comp him to? Stan Musial, maybe? Frank Robinson?

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think Soto is about to take it to a level that we haven’t seen since Bonds. I don’t know when, but I’d say it is a toss up between Trout and Soto on offense currently,. and Soto will certainly pass him soon.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  carter

Roided out Bonds is probably the only exception (which I don’t count because we’re obviously not seeing that again), but there hasn’t been as good a hitter as Ted Williams since Ted Williams. And it’s not even particularly close.

I think Soto is probably the best hitter in the major leagues right now. But Ted Williams has a career wRC+ of 188. And that was including him taking a chunk of time out during the most productive time in his career. He had a 209 wRC+ in 1942, and then when he came back in 1946 he had 215.

I am just thinking that Soto is probably not in contention for being the greatest hitter of all time? It would be cool if he was, I admit. But also, you can be an inner circle Hall of Famer without being in the same breath as Williams. The difference between someone like Ted Williams and Albert Pujols is stunning. (I think there’s a decent chance that Soto is better than Pujols, though.)

Stan Musial has a career 158 wRC+. I somehow find this more plausible.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

But maybe you can understand my confusion when the comp, in this case Ted Williams, had a season with a wRC+ of 159 and then the next year had a wRC+ of 221?

jrogersMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

So you know Dan doesn’t pick the comps editorially, right? It’s just what the computer spits out as the closest match at that age. And boy, I really hope Soto doesn’t lose prime years to wars or pandemics or anything, but the 2020s are just getting started.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  jrogers

Oh I know. I just find it impossible.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  J.D. Martin

Bryce Harper had this once also

MentholMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  J.D. Martin

Juany Ballgame!

lupus9999
5 years ago
Reply to  J.D. Martin

The eye catcher to me was the casual Rick Sutcliffe comp on Wil Crowe. Didn’t see that coming.

Also – I’m convinced some of these are made up to see if anyone is paying attention. Dolf Luque for Strasburg?

dodgerbleu
5 years ago
Reply to  lupus9999

Luque was a stud

Petey BienelMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  lupus9999

In all seriousness, I looked up Luque and that’s a head scratcher. Never had higher than 4 K/9, pitched 21 years. I don’t see it.

Anon21Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Petey Bienel

Sure, but he pitched in an era when the league strikeout rate was below 3 per 9. It’s a bit weird to have deadball-era players in the comp pool at all, but if you’re going to have them, you have to scale their performance to their era.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  lupus9999

That would be nice wouldn’t it! He was a very solid pitcher for a decent while.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
5 years ago

16 stolen bases for Soto?

springerMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

That seemed odd to me too.

Anon21Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

Dude is maybe the best active hitter, but he’s no speedster.

senor_mike
5 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

He had 6 SB against 196 PA last year. Pro-rate that to the 650 PA he’s projected for next year and you get 20 SB.

He also stole 12 in 2019.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  senor_mike

Nobody expects the Soto Steal!

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

He is fast for his size for sure.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

It isn’t that. He certainly isn’t fast. But stealing bases has very little to do with speed, it is more quickness. Speed score isn’t perfect, since it is mostly about hustling, but by speed score he is one of the slowest people in all of the MLB, behind McCann, Vogt, etc. But again, so was Goldy when he stole 32 bases.

A modern example of a slow runner who steals a lot of bases is Jram. Jram is quick, and speed score doesn’t reflect that since he sandbags groundballs, but he is pretty slow by speed score, and he also had 0 bolts all of last year. That means he never once ran 30ft per second, and he is one of the most prolific base stealers in the entire MLB, projected for the 7th most stolen bases in the MLB. So even while stealing bases he never once ran 30ft per second, for reference some of the “burners: who cleared that mark : Kyle Schwarber, Matt Olson, Austin Riley, Joey Bart. To put it clearly, all those guys ran faster than Jram did this year at their peak. Think about how crazy that is? But it is a prime example of how little speed actually matters for stolen bases. A lot of the guys we think of as “fast” are actually quick, and not very fast at all. Villar is another prime example. Guys are good at stealing bases because they get a good jump, can time pitchers, and take good leads. Speed helps, but it is less important than being quick, and far less important than being smart.

Brock244
5 years ago

The Nats are in a weird position. I would say normally, their situation is primed for a long rebuild. Their farm/major league depth aren’t good, they probably aren’t quite a playoff team, and they have a few star players contenders would probably give quite a lot for.

But… Soto is so good and so young they really can’t rebuild. They have to keep him as long as possible and patch up contenders

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

I’m more or less on this train. They need to lock up Turner and Soto, hope some of Robles / Kieboom / Garcia develop, that some of their many injury-prone minor league pitchers turn into real live pitchers, and patch holes with veterans. Right now, because none of Robles / Kieboom / Garcia / Stevenson aren’t much, them patching at catcher, 2B, 1B, and the back of the rotation means they’re just getting substandard performance at too many positions.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I know it was only 47 At bats, but 70 grade speed Stevenson slugged over .700 last season and it wasn’t just as a platoon either! Perhaps he is better than we have expected.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

If someone made a BABIP-deflator tool I would use it, because this is exactly the kind of scenario where it would be useful. I would be really curious to see what would happen if we kept his performance last year in place except for deflating his BABIP to the .340-.350 range that ZiPs and Steamer predict for him. My guess, just looking at Ben Gamel’s 2017, makes me think that if that happened he’d be a 2-win player.

A mid-level-OBP, low-power speedster who hits at league-average and plays good defense in a non-premium spot…it’s not as exciting as someone like Alex Gordon or Brett Gardner but it’s not a three-alarm fire you need to put out.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

2B, LF, and 1B aren’t expensive to find competent 2 WAR types. Their window is open as long as Stras and Scherzer are effective.

EasyenoughMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

Plus, they have some money and most of it isn’t dead. Without a top six payroll, seems to me like they would 100% need to rebuild.

Stevil
5 years ago

I can’t help but wonder if they’ll try to lure free agents with more deferred contracts and if anyone will bite.

LeMahieu has to be appealing.

stakhanovitamix
5 years ago
Reply to  Stevil

They’ll gladly pay you in 2032 for a 5 WAR season this year.

Stevil
5 years ago

The “W” logo stands for “Wimpy”!

EasyenoughMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Stevil

Turns out a lot of the deferment is so players can get more income in income tax-free states. The Nats pay a solid net present value deflator so don’t actually save much, but the player takes more home.

SeattleiteMember since 2020
5 years ago

This might be a good offseason for a team with this type of roster.

With the (super)stars they have, they don’t need to play at the top of the market, they just need depth pieces that can put up solid 1-2 WAR seasons around them. Those pieces seem like they might be available at a significant discount this offseason.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Seattleite

So I kind of agree with you, except that they’ve already got those types everywhere except first base, left field, and the back end of the rotation.

They could really, really use Carlos Santana, I suppose, and Adam Eaton or Eddie Rosario would be better than nothing.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

“There are a lot of names from the 2019 World Series championship that are no longer here, but the two most important ones are: Juan Soto and Trea Turner.”

Rendon is going to be super sad when he reads this. Don’t…don’t…you miss me?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg think they’re important

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

True, although that was in the hitting section, which I suppose I could have given more context for.

lmcgagin07
5 years ago

they could reasonably get cesar hernandez, carlos santana, and profar for relatively cheap and take a couple flyers for the back of the pen and rotation. guys like quintana and maybe even chris archer come to mind. they probably can’t get all those guys but it would be a success to see them show up in march with a few of them

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

Andrew Stevenson put up some very strong numbers in a small maybe tiny sample size late last season. I was not expecting that to move Zips much, but I was hoping for a word or two in the batters text.

I am a dreamer, but he looked much better late last season. I’m hoping he IS better because it would be cool if he could fill that hole!

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

I know he is FV35+. I’m not hoping for 4 WAR. maybe 2 though?

springerMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Think 1 at the high end.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

Trea Turner is a great hitter, but he is quite a bit like Derrick Jeter in That his Glove is not great. Good enough for SS but not great. I wonder if we should move him to second and sign one of the free agent SS like Simeon with a better glove.

hombremomento
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

I would say his glove is a decent 60/80, it’s nothing fantastic for a shortstop but decent fielders with great hitting and speed make good infielders, and Trea could still have great value playing 2B and Centerfield, his other positions

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

Trevor Bauer, Realmuto, CJ Cron on 1 and 2 year deals and its World Series or Bust!!!!

Anon21Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Might as well have them trade Robles for Shane Bieber straight up while you’re at it.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

CJ Cron is easy to sign and cheap. oh you weren’t talking about him? Well I’m a dreamer!

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

Seems so long ago that Yasmany Tomás had that 30 home run season, but is was only 2016.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago

Projection puts Scherzer at over 3000 career Ks, that’s kind of cool.