2022 ZiPS Projections: Los Angeles Angels
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Los Angeles Angels.
Batters
The good news: the Los Angeles Angels have Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. The bad news: the Los Angeles Angels play a sport where you have to give almost as many shots to Luc Longley and Stacey King as Jordan and Pippen. The Angels are a very star-driven team, and if something terrible happens to a star or two, it’s going to be hard to eke out first place in a division with four plausible contenders. If you can ensure that Mike Trout, Shohei Ohtani, Anthony Rendon, and Noah Syndergaard all have full, healthy seasons, I think this is the team that can make the Astros sweat the most this summer. If not, I think the Angels’ playoff relevance will be on life support by the trade deadline. That is, assuming that Rob Manfred’s dystopian fever dream of every mediocre club getting a chance to knock off a 100-win team in the postseason by winning two of three games comes to pass.
What more can you really say about players like Trout and Ohtani at this point? They’re great! And some of the supporting cast ain’t half-bad either; ZiPS likes the team’s catching situation and thinks Jared Walsh is just fine as long as he’s in his prime years.
The problem is that what’s lousy about the team’s offense is really lousy. The depth chart graphic makes two-thirds of the outfield look all hunky-dory, but the truth is, it’s just Troutflation buttressing Brandon Marsh, who ZiPS is somewhat ambivalent about, and Justin Upton, who keeps starting for reasons the computer cannot comprehend. The shortstop combination is quite unimpressive as well, and while his 2021 performance in the upper minors turned his projection around, ZiPS doesn’t think Jo Adell is starting corner outfielder levels of good.
If the Angels want to do more than simply tour the country as Shohei Ohtani and His Merry Band, Featuring Mike Trout, they need to more aggressively address these positions than they did before the lockout. As blasphemous as this may sound, they also shouldn’t give unlimited rope to David Fletcher in 2022; he was awful last season after being far more swing-happy. He still made a ton of contact, but a lot of it was bad contact, pushing him closer to the Ozzie Guillen side of the spectrum than the Luis Castillo/Placido Polanco end of things. If he has a .600 OPS next May and is happily hitting unhittable pitches weakly into the dirt, I’d rather demote Fletch back to a utility role and see what Michael Stefanic can do.
Pitchers
The rotation could be respectable in 2022, something it definitely was not after Ohtani this past season. But that will require very healthy years from both Ohtani and Syndergaard, which shouldn’t be taken as a given at this point. Lose one or both of those guys for a significant stretch of time and the wheels come off fairly quickly, as the Angels aren’t blessed with a whole lot of “good-in-2022” depth, though ZiPS is actually reasonably optimistic about Reid Detmers, who performed admirably for a pitcher who was rushed through the minors very, very quickly in 2021.
Once you get past the names on the graphic and the struggling and injured Griffin Canning, any hope of adequate reinforcements fades quickly. ZiPS sees a lot of better-than-replacement-level talent out there but the team is short on names you really want starting for you in a pennant race. A lot of pitchers filtered through the Salt Lake Bees in 2021 as the Angels desperately sought cheap depth and most of them pitched terribly — Salt Lake didn’t have an ERA of six by sheer misfortune.
The rotation — and really, the whole team — looks like the expected result of an organization that will spend in big, short bursts but otherwise acts as if they’re in no particular hurry to build around an inner-circle Hall of Famer in his prime years. The Angels should never have started 2021 with the rotation they did, and if this is actually the group that begins the 2022 season, it will constitute a major failure of imagination.
ZiPS really likes Raisel Iglesias, Aaron Loup, and Mike Mayers in the ‘pen but is concerned about the depth afterward. It’s unfortunate that Chris Rodriguez will likely miss most of 2022 due to capsule surgery because the computer was getting fairly excited about the prospect of him on the team, at least as a reliever. The Angels could use a few upgrades here, but I’d still prioritize adding another arm in the rotation if I had to choose.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mike Trout | R | 30 | CF | 452 | 358 | 77 | 98 | 19 | 2 | 29 | 78 | 82 | 107 | 9 | 1 |
| Shohei Ohtani | L | 27 | DH | 586 | 501 | 90 | 131 | 25 | 6 | 38 | 101 | 79 | 171 | 21 | 8 |
| Anthony Rendon | R | 32 | 3B | 460 | 396 | 62 | 108 | 25 | 1 | 17 | 70 | 53 | 69 | 2 | 0 |
| Jared Walsh | L | 28 | 1B | 579 | 522 | 75 | 139 | 30 | 2 | 31 | 104 | 47 | 151 | 2 | 1 |
| Michael Stefanic | R | 26 | 2B | 529 | 482 | 65 | 128 | 19 | 0 | 12 | 45 | 36 | 79 | 4 | 4 |
| David Fletcher | R | 28 | 2B | 666 | 621 | 78 | 172 | 31 | 4 | 5 | 46 | 37 | 63 | 13 | 3 |
| Luis Rengifo | B | 25 | SS | 485 | 437 | 56 | 107 | 18 | 4 | 12 | 45 | 37 | 93 | 11 | 6 |
| Max Stassi | R | 31 | C | 293 | 260 | 35 | 58 | 10 | 1 | 11 | 32 | 25 | 91 | 0 | 0 |
| Matt Thaiss | L | 27 | C | 485 | 427 | 63 | 100 | 19 | 2 | 16 | 58 | 50 | 114 | 2 | 1 |
| Brandon Marsh | L | 24 | CF | 433 | 390 | 41 | 97 | 17 | 4 | 7 | 30 | 39 | 129 | 9 | 2 |
| Taylor Ward | R | 28 | RF | 437 | 385 | 58 | 96 | 24 | 1 | 16 | 51 | 44 | 111 | 6 | 2 |
| Andrew Velazquez | B | 27 | SS | 374 | 341 | 50 | 81 | 18 | 4 | 8 | 37 | 27 | 108 | 22 | 4 |
| Dillon Thomas | L | 29 | RF | 427 | 382 | 51 | 88 | 17 | 2 | 11 | 45 | 31 | 137 | 11 | 4 |
| Brendon Davis | R | 24 | 3B | 521 | 474 | 51 | 108 | 20 | 2 | 20 | 58 | 34 | 145 | 8 | 3 |
| Adam Eaton | L | 33 | RF | 446 | 391 | 62 | 95 | 17 | 3 | 9 | 36 | 38 | 92 | 7 | 1 |
| Jose Rojas | L | 29 | 3B | 472 | 432 | 59 | 99 | 23 | 2 | 16 | 54 | 35 | 111 | 5 | 2 |
| Jack Mayfield | R | 31 | 3B | 420 | 387 | 46 | 89 | 20 | 1 | 15 | 51 | 23 | 91 | 6 | 1 |
| Jo Adell | R | 23 | LF | 483 | 448 | 53 | 108 | 20 | 4 | 21 | 76 | 28 | 138 | 8 | 3 |
| Kean Wong | L | 27 | 2B | 418 | 386 | 45 | 98 | 16 | 3 | 7 | 36 | 24 | 92 | 7 | 4 |
| David MacKinnon | R | 27 | 1B | 414 | 363 | 58 | 89 | 22 | 0 | 10 | 45 | 42 | 89 | 1 | 1 |
| Braxton Martinez | R | 28 | 1B | 365 | 321 | 51 | 73 | 17 | 1 | 14 | 49 | 35 | 68 | 0 | 1 |
| Tyler Wade | L | 27 | SS | 344 | 309 | 44 | 69 | 13 | 3 | 4 | 21 | 29 | 87 | 19 | 6 |
| Mitch Walding | L | 29 | 3B | 280 | 240 | 31 | 41 | 8 | 1 | 9 | 28 | 37 | 127 | 2 | 1 |
| Juan Lagares | R | 33 | CF | 304 | 285 | 35 | 72 | 15 | 2 | 5 | 29 | 14 | 72 | 2 | 2 |
| Anthony Mulrine | R | 24 | C | 211 | 186 | 24 | 36 | 6 | 0 | 4 | 15 | 14 | 52 | 0 | 1 |
| Michael Cruz | L | 26 | C | 208 | 187 | 24 | 39 | 7 | 0 | 8 | 24 | 14 | 56 | 0 | 0 |
| Justin Upton | R | 34 | LF | 348 | 305 | 43 | 66 | 10 | 0 | 16 | 47 | 35 | 105 | 3 | 1 |
| Orlando Martinez | L | 24 | CF | 451 | 420 | 48 | 96 | 20 | 2 | 14 | 47 | 25 | 119 | 4 | 3 |
| Chad Wallach | R | 30 | C | 336 | 297 | 33 | 57 | 10 | 1 | 11 | 36 | 31 | 106 | 0 | 0 |
| Dexter Fowler | B | 36 | RF | 457 | 395 | 53 | 86 | 15 | 1 | 13 | 49 | 52 | 121 | 6 | 3 |
| Kurt Suzuki | R | 38 | C | 232 | 207 | 18 | 47 | 9 | 0 | 5 | 20 | 12 | 41 | 0 | 0 |
| Phil Gosselin | R | 33 | LF | 366 | 333 | 38 | 79 | 14 | 2 | 6 | 37 | 27 | 83 | 2 | 2 |
| Jon Jay | L | 37 | LF | 129 | 121 | 10 | 31 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 21 | 1 | 0 |
| Gavin Cecchini | R | 28 | SS | 327 | 307 | 35 | 70 | 13 | 0 | 4 | 25 | 14 | 63 | 5 | 1 |
| Gabe Matthews | L | 24 | 1B | 214 | 191 | 26 | 32 | 7 | 0 | 6 | 21 | 19 | 62 | 1 | 0 |
| Jake Gatewood | R | 26 | CF | 458 | 425 | 44 | 76 | 14 | 1 | 20 | 58 | 25 | 190 | 3 | 1 |
| Trey Cabbage | L | 25 | RF | 434 | 400 | 48 | 82 | 16 | 2 | 20 | 58 | 29 | 174 | 4 | 0 |
| Francisco Arcia | L | 32 | C | 211 | 199 | 17 | 42 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 14 | 7 | 46 | 2 | 1 |
| Brennon Lund | L | 27 | CF | 352 | 323 | 34 | 65 | 14 | 2 | 8 | 32 | 21 | 106 | 4 | 2 |
| Drew Butera | R | 38 | C | 255 | 226 | 19 | 36 | 8 | 1 | 4 | 17 | 19 | 81 | 2 | 1 |
| Aaron Whitefield | R | 25 | CF | 434 | 397 | 46 | 78 | 12 | 2 | 5 | 28 | 27 | 139 | 21 | 8 |
| Scott Schebler | L | 31 | RF | 324 | 295 | 33 | 53 | 11 | 0 | 9 | 30 | 20 | 105 | 2 | 1 |
| Torii Hunter Jr. | R | 27 | CF | 352 | 321 | 30 | 63 | 9 | 2 | 5 | 19 | 26 | 122 | 10 | 3 |
| Preston Palmeiro | L | 27 | 1B | 432 | 402 | 41 | 83 | 15 | 1 | 10 | 38 | 25 | 112 | 3 | 2 |
| Livan Soto | L | 22 | SS | 468 | 432 | 46 | 86 | 13 | 3 | 10 | 34 | 28 | 111 | 9 | 3 |
| Franklin Torres | R | 25 | C | 326 | 301 | 31 | 62 | 11 | 1 | 4 | 21 | 23 | 94 | 1 | 0 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mike Trout | .274 | .418 | .581 | 169 | .307 | .311 | 9.2 | 0 | 5.0 | Willie Mays |
| Shohei Ohtani | .261 | .363 | .563 | 147 | .301 | .318 | 7.6 | 0 | 3.9 | Kirk Gibson |
| Anthony Rendon | .273 | .363 | .470 | 125 | .197 | .294 | 6.4 | -1 | 2.7 | Buddy Bell |
| Jared Walsh | .266 | .330 | .510 | 124 | .243 | .318 | 6.2 | 0 | 2.3 | Chad Tracy |
| Michael Stefanic | .266 | .328 | .380 | 93 | .114 | .297 | 4.5 | 2 | 1.5 | Luis Lopez |
| David Fletcher | .277 | .319 | .364 | 86 | .087 | .302 | 4.5 | 3 | 1.4 | Rennie Stennett |
| Luis Rengifo | .245 | .309 | .387 | 89 | .142 | .286 | 4.2 | 3 | 1.4 | Chris Pittaro |
| Max Stassi | .223 | .304 | .396 | 89 | .173 | .297 | 4.2 | 6 | 1.4 | Chad Moeller |
| Matt Thaiss | .234 | .317 | .400 | 94 | .166 | .283 | 4.5 | -3 | 1.4 | Mike O’Keefe |
| Brandon Marsh | .249 | .319 | .367 | 87 | .118 | .354 | 4.3 | 3 | 1.1 | Rick Manning |
| Taylor Ward | .249 | .335 | .442 | 110 | .192 | .310 | 5.4 | -4 | 1.0 | Dustan Mohr |
| Andrew Velazquez | .238 | .296 | .384 | 84 | .147 | .324 | 4.5 | -1 | 0.9 | Nelson Liriano |
| Dillon Thomas | .230 | .308 | .372 | 85 | .141 | .329 | 4.1 | 4 | 0.5 | Mike Neill |
| Brendon Davis | .228 | .287 | .405 | 86 | .177 | .285 | 4.1 | -2 | 0.5 | George Arias |
| Adam Eaton | .243 | .325 | .371 | 90 | .128 | .297 | 4.4 | 0 | 0.5 | Milt Thompson |
| Jose Rojas | .229 | .287 | .403 | 85 | .174 | .272 | 4.1 | -2 | 0.3 | Greg Connors |
| Jack Mayfield | .230 | .278 | .403 | 83 | .173 | .263 | 4.0 | -1 | 0.3 | Tom Brookens |
| Jo Adell | .241 | .291 | .444 | 97 | .203 | .301 | 4.6 | -4 | 0.3 | Jeff Fiorentino |
| Kean Wong | .254 | .302 | .365 | 81 | .111 | .317 | 4.0 | -1 | 0.3 | Tommy Shields |
| David MacKinnon | .245 | .328 | .388 | 95 | .143 | .299 | 4.5 | -2 | 0.2 | Josh Pressley |
| Braxton Martinez | .227 | .307 | .417 | 95 | .190 | .247 | 4.4 | -1 | 0.2 | Todd Betts |
| Tyler Wade | .223 | .295 | .324 | 69 | .100 | .298 | 3.6 | 0 | 0.2 | Tommy Murphy |
| Mitch Walding | .171 | .286 | .325 | 67 | .154 | .308 | 3.0 | 4 | 0.2 | Sean Mcnally |
| Juan Lagares | .253 | .289 | .372 | 79 | .119 | .322 | 3.8 | 1 | 0.2 | Chad Allen |
| Anthony Mulrine | .194 | .281 | .290 | 57 | .097 | .246 | 2.6 | 2 | 0.0 | Brad Erdman |
| Michael Cruz | .209 | .280 | .374 | 77 | .166 | .252 | 3.6 | -3 | 0.0 | Dave Miley |
| Justin Upton | .216 | .302 | .407 | 91 | .190 | .272 | 4.3 | -5 | -0.2 | Damon Buford |
| Orlando Martinez | .229 | .273 | .386 | 77 | .157 | .286 | 3.6 | -3 | -0.3 | Mitch Einertson |
| Chad Wallach | .192 | .278 | .343 | 69 | .152 | .256 | 3.2 | -4 | -0.3 | Henry Blanco |
| Dexter Fowler | .218 | .316 | .359 | 84 | .142 | .280 | 3.9 | -5 | -0.4 | Jim Nettles |
| Kurt Suzuki | .227 | .294 | .343 | 74 | .116 | .261 | 3.5 | -7 | -0.5 | Steven Norris |
| Phil Gosselin | .237 | .296 | .345 | 75 | .108 | .299 | 3.6 | 0 | -0.5 | Pedro Swann |
| Jon Jay | .256 | .281 | .314 | 63 | .058 | .303 | 3.3 | -3 | -0.6 | Brian Jordan |
| Gavin Cecchini | .228 | .258 | .309 | 54 | .081 | .275 | 2.9 | 0 | -0.7 | Tony Rodriguez |
| Gabe Matthews | .168 | .257 | .298 | 51 | .131 | .211 | 2.5 | 2 | -0.7 | Manelik Pimentel |
| Jake Gatewood | .179 | .230 | .358 | 57 | .179 | .260 | 2.7 | 3 | -0.8 | Mark Fischer |
| Trey Cabbage | .205 | .263 | .405 | 79 | .200 | .301 | 3.7 | -6 | -0.9 | Juan Thomas |
| Francisco Arcia | .211 | .248 | .266 | 41 | .055 | .265 | 2.3 | -2 | -1.0 | Ken Huckaby |
| Brennon Lund | .201 | .256 | .331 | 59 | .130 | .273 | 2.9 | -3 | -1.0 | Randy Rigsby |
| Drew Butera | .159 | .238 | .257 | 36 | .097 | .227 | 2.0 | -4 | -1.3 | Tony Pena |
| Aaron Whitefield | .196 | .249 | .275 | 43 | .078 | .289 | 2.4 | 3 | -1.3 | Onil Joseph |
| Scott Schebler | .180 | .248 | .308 | 51 | .129 | .243 | 2.5 | -1 | -1.4 | Jay Gainer |
| Torii Hunter Jr. | .196 | .262 | .283 | 49 | .087 | .299 | 2.6 | -5 | -1.4 | Tony Triplett |
| Preston Palmeiro | .206 | .253 | .323 | 56 | .117 | .261 | 2.8 | 3 | -1.5 | Scott Seal |
| Livan Soto | .199 | .249 | .313 | 52 | .113 | .244 | 2.7 | -8 | -1.7 | Neifi Perez |
| Franklin Torres | .206 | .264 | .289 | 51 | .083 | .286 | 2.6 | -17 | -2.3 | Marc Sullivan |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Noah Syndergaard | R | 29 | 8 | 6 | 3.93 | 24 | 24 | 139.7 | 138 | 61 | 18 | 35 | 134 | 3.80 |
| Shohei Ohtani | R | 27 | 6 | 4 | 3.63 | 21 | 21 | 111.7 | 92 | 45 | 13 | 42 | 132 | 3.65 |
| Raisel Iglesias | R | 32 | 8 | 3 | 2.80 | 61 | 0 | 64.3 | 49 | 20 | 8 | 16 | 92 | 2.78 |
| Patrick Sandoval | L | 25 | 6 | 5 | 4.13 | 22 | 18 | 100.3 | 89 | 46 | 15 | 42 | 116 | 4.19 |
| José Suarez | L | 24 | 9 | 8 | 4.45 | 27 | 18 | 109.3 | 106 | 54 | 16 | 41 | 102 | 4.51 |
| Reid Detmers | L | 22 | 6 | 6 | 4.41 | 21 | 21 | 87.7 | 84 | 43 | 14 | 35 | 99 | 4.37 |
| Griffin Canning | R | 26 | 6 | 5 | 4.52 | 19 | 18 | 89.7 | 84 | 45 | 15 | 35 | 95 | 4.57 |
| Davis Daniel | R | 25 | 6 | 6 | 4.84 | 24 | 23 | 113.3 | 117 | 61 | 19 | 40 | 105 | 4.70 |
| Ty Buttrey | R | 29 | 6 | 5 | 3.76 | 67 | 0 | 69.3 | 63 | 29 | 9 | 22 | 77 | 3.77 |
| Jhonathan Diaz | L | 25 | 7 | 7 | 4.86 | 21 | 18 | 96.3 | 100 | 52 | 13 | 41 | 80 | 4.74 |
| Chris Rodriguez | R | 23 | 2 | 2 | 4.01 | 26 | 9 | 51.7 | 48 | 23 | 5 | 23 | 50 | 4.13 |
| Mike Mayers | R | 30 | 5 | 3 | 3.82 | 63 | 2 | 66.0 | 58 | 28 | 9 | 24 | 80 | 3.71 |
| Kyle Tyler | R | 25 | 5 | 5 | 4.82 | 26 | 15 | 99.0 | 102 | 53 | 14 | 41 | 76 | 4.94 |
| Aaron Loup | L | 34 | 3 | 2 | 3.50 | 54 | 1 | 43.7 | 39 | 17 | 4 | 13 | 44 | 3.52 |
| Cooper Criswell | R | 25 | 8 | 10 | 5.14 | 23 | 22 | 117.3 | 132 | 67 | 21 | 32 | 91 | 4.93 |
| Ryan Smith | L | 24 | 6 | 7 | 5.14 | 24 | 21 | 112.0 | 121 | 64 | 20 | 40 | 94 | 5.06 |
| Packy Naughton | L | 26 | 6 | 7 | 5.12 | 24 | 20 | 109.0 | 120 | 62 | 18 | 35 | 81 | 4.97 |
| Michael Lorenzen | R | 30 | 2 | 2 | 4.05 | 43 | 1 | 53.3 | 49 | 24 | 6 | 22 | 51 | 4.08 |
| Junior Guerra | R | 37 | 4 | 4 | 4.56 | 41 | 4 | 71.0 | 66 | 36 | 10 | 37 | 69 | 4.76 |
| Brian Moran | L | 33 | 1 | 1 | 4.10 | 50 | 0 | 48.3 | 43 | 22 | 7 | 21 | 53 | 4.36 |
| Steve Cishek | R | 36 | 2 | 1 | 4.22 | 66 | 0 | 59.7 | 54 | 28 | 6 | 30 | 55 | 4.50 |
| José Quijada | L | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.20 | 51 | 0 | 55.7 | 47 | 26 | 8 | 31 | 70 | 4.37 |
| Andrew Wantz | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.93 | 30 | 9 | 65.7 | 63 | 36 | 12 | 31 | 71 | 4.99 |
| Robinson Pina | R | 23 | 6 | 7 | 5.34 | 23 | 22 | 94.3 | 94 | 56 | 15 | 58 | 92 | 5.30 |
| Jake Lee | R | 27 | 2 | 2 | 4.50 | 7 | 5 | 24.0 | 24 | 12 | 4 | 10 | 21 | 4.97 |
| Oliver Ortega | R | 25 | 4 | 4 | 4.94 | 38 | 7 | 71.0 | 71 | 39 | 10 | 38 | 64 | 5.03 |
| Félix Peña | R | 32 | 4 | 5 | 5.08 | 31 | 8 | 78.0 | 80 | 44 | 13 | 31 | 68 | 4.95 |
| Denny Brady | R | 25 | 3 | 3 | 5.12 | 11 | 8 | 45.7 | 48 | 26 | 8 | 20 | 38 | 5.30 |
| Austin Warren | R | 26 | 5 | 4 | 4.55 | 39 | 1 | 57.3 | 54 | 29 | 8 | 29 | 59 | 4.61 |
| Alex Claudio | L | 30 | 2 | 2 | 4.47 | 57 | 1 | 50.3 | 53 | 25 | 6 | 18 | 38 | 4.47 |
| Jack Dashwood | L | 24 | 5 | 6 | 5.38 | 26 | 10 | 102.0 | 118 | 61 | 21 | 28 | 74 | 5.38 |
| Gerardo Reyes | R | 29 | 4 | 4 | 4.59 | 57 | 0 | 64.7 | 57 | 33 | 10 | 33 | 84 | 4.31 |
| Kenny Rosenberg | L | 26 | 4 | 6 | 5.51 | 22 | 10 | 78.3 | 82 | 48 | 14 | 41 | 70 | 5.44 |
| Sam Selman | L | 31 | 1 | 2 | 4.86 | 44 | 1 | 46.3 | 41 | 25 | 7 | 26 | 49 | 4.97 |
| Jaime Barría | R | 25 | 5 | 7 | 5.67 | 25 | 22 | 112.7 | 131 | 71 | 25 | 32 | 80 | 5.60 |
| James Hoyt | R | 35 | 1 | 1 | 4.78 | 41 | 0 | 43.3 | 43 | 23 | 6 | 22 | 40 | 4.86 |
| Brian Johnson | L | 31 | 3 | 4 | 5.63 | 20 | 11 | 62.3 | 70 | 39 | 12 | 28 | 49 | 5.55 |
| Jimmy Herget | R | 28 | 4 | 4 | 4.80 | 51 | 0 | 60.0 | 57 | 32 | 10 | 29 | 63 | 4.90 |
| Kolton Ingram | L | 25 | 1 | 1 | 4.87 | 34 | 0 | 40.7 | 41 | 22 | 5 | 23 | 37 | 4.88 |
| Keith Rogalla | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 5.23 | 28 | 2 | 41.3 | 44 | 24 | 6 | 23 | 32 | 5.33 |
| Tyler Danish | R | 27 | 3 | 4 | 5.29 | 30 | 3 | 63.0 | 68 | 37 | 12 | 22 | 54 | 5.13 |
| Jake Buchanan | R | 32 | 4 | 5 | 5.82 | 20 | 14 | 77.3 | 92 | 50 | 16 | 27 | 51 | 5.75 |
| Janson Junk | R | 26 | 4 | 6 | 5.83 | 22 | 19 | 92.7 | 105 | 60 | 18 | 43 | 71 | 5.73 |
| Jake Petricka | R | 34 | 3 | 4 | 5.19 | 34 | 0 | 43.3 | 45 | 25 | 7 | 20 | 38 | 5.12 |
| Elvis Peguero | R | 25 | 4 | 4 | 5.10 | 32 | 0 | 54.7 | 59 | 31 | 8 | 24 | 43 | 5.05 |
| Jose Marte | R | 26 | 4 | 5 | 5.75 | 31 | 9 | 61.0 | 61 | 39 | 10 | 43 | 58 | 5.67 |
| Aaron Hernandez | R | 25 | 4 | 6 | 6.01 | 18 | 16 | 67.3 | 72 | 45 | 11 | 48 | 57 | 5.93 |
| Boomer Biegalski | R | 27 | 4 | 5 | 5.72 | 17 | 3 | 50.3 | 56 | 32 | 12 | 19 | 43 | 5.88 |
| Tim Peterson | R | 31 | 2 | 3 | 5.21 | 43 | 0 | 48.3 | 50 | 28 | 10 | 17 | 44 | 5.23 |
| Connor Higgins | L | 25 | 2 | 3 | 5.25 | 39 | 0 | 48.0 | 48 | 28 | 6 | 31 | 42 | 5.12 |
| Ben Rowen | R | 33 | 2 | 2 | 5.65 | 32 | 3 | 51.0 | 59 | 32 | 11 | 13 | 35 | 5.55 |
| Zack Weiss | R | 30 | 2 | 3 | 5.65 | 27 | 1 | 36.7 | 37 | 23 | 7 | 22 | 38 | 5.55 |
| Sean McLaughlin | R | 28 | 3 | 3 | 5.36 | 32 | 0 | 43.7 | 48 | 26 | 7 | 20 | 30 | 5.47 |
| AJ Ramos | R | 35 | 1 | 1 | 5.36 | 39 | 0 | 47.0 | 46 | 28 | 9 | 25 | 50 | 5.27 |
| Zach Linginfelter | R | 25 | 4 | 5 | 5.99 | 27 | 13 | 67.7 | 74 | 45 | 12 | 44 | 52 | 6.08 |
| Zac Ryan | R | 28 | 2 | 3 | 5.48 | 30 | 0 | 42.7 | 41 | 26 | 7 | 29 | 44 | 5.50 |
| Taylor Ahearn | R | 27 | 3 | 5 | 6.30 | 17 | 8 | 50.0 | 60 | 35 | 11 | 24 | 31 | 6.42 |
| Thomas Pannone | L | 28 | 6 | 9 | 6.13 | 26 | 18 | 108.7 | 127 | 74 | 25 | 42 | 77 | 6.11 |
| Matthias Dietz | R | 26 | 3 | 6 | 7.51 | 18 | 6 | 44.3 | 47 | 37 | 7 | 52 | 37 | 7.29 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Noah Syndergaard | 8.6 | 2.3 | 1.2 | 6.0% | 22.8% | .304 | 113 | 89 | 2.6 | Erik Hanson |
| Shohei Ohtani | 10.6 | 3.4 | 1.0 | 9.0% | 28.1% | .287 | 122 | 82 | 2.4 | A.J. Burnett |
| Raisel Iglesias | 12.9 | 2.2 | 1.1 | 6.2% | 35.8% | .295 | 159 | 63 | 1.7 | Robb Nen |
| Patrick Sandoval | 10.4 | 3.8 | 1.3 | 9.8% | 27.0% | .292 | 108 | 93 | 1.6 | Chris Capuano |
| José Suarez | 8.4 | 3.4 | 1.3 | 8.7% | 21.6% | .292 | 100 | 100 | 1.3 | Pete Schourek |
| Reid Detmers | 10.2 | 3.6 | 1.4 | 9.2% | 26.0% | .307 | 101 | 99 | 1.2 | Marty Bystrom |
| Griffin Canning | 9.5 | 3.5 | 1.5 | 9.0% | 24.5% | .291 | 98 | 102 | 1.1 | Paul Wilson |
| Davis Daniel | 8.3 | 3.2 | 1.5 | 8.1% | 21.3% | .302 | 92 | 109 | 1.0 | Steve Winfield |
| Ty Buttrey | 10.0 | 2.9 | 1.2 | 7.5% | 26.3% | .298 | 118 | 85 | 0.9 | Mike Burns |
| Jhonathan Diaz | 7.5 | 3.8 | 1.2 | 9.6% | 18.6% | .301 | 91 | 109 | 0.8 | Danny Borrell |
| Chris Rodriguez | 8.7 | 4.0 | 0.9 | 10.1% | 22.0% | .299 | 111 | 90 | 0.8 | Gary Reiter |
| Mike Mayers | 10.9 | 3.3 | 1.2 | 8.6% | 28.8% | .301 | 116 | 86 | 0.8 | Xavier Hernandez |
| Kyle Tyler | 6.9 | 3.7 | 1.3 | 9.3% | 17.3% | .292 | 92 | 109 | 0.8 | Jake Westbrook |
| Aaron Loup | 9.1 | 2.7 | 0.8 | 7.1% | 23.9% | .294 | 127 | 79 | 0.7 | Ricardo Rincon |
| Cooper Criswell | 7.0 | 2.5 | 1.6 | 6.2% | 17.7% | .306 | 86 | 116 | 0.7 | Clay Parker |
| Ryan Smith | 7.6 | 3.2 | 1.6 | 8.1% | 19.0% | .301 | 86 | 116 | 0.6 | Abe Alvarez |
| Packy Naughton | 6.7 | 2.9 | 1.5 | 7.3% | 16.9% | .300 | 87 | 115 | 0.6 | Eddie Priest |
| Michael Lorenzen | 8.6 | 3.7 | 1.0 | 9.6% | 22.3% | .291 | 110 | 91 | 0.5 | Marc Wilkins |
| Junior Guerra | 8.7 | 4.7 | 1.3 | 11.8% | 22.0% | .287 | 97 | 103 | 0.4 | Diego Segui |
| Brian Moran | 9.9 | 3.9 | 1.3 | 10.0% | 25.4% | .288 | 108 | 92 | 0.4 | Pete Richert |
| Steve Cishek | 8.3 | 4.5 | 0.9 | 11.3% | 20.7% | .286 | 105 | 95 | 0.3 | Ted Abernathy |
| José Quijada | 11.3 | 5.0 | 1.3 | 12.7% | 28.6% | .293 | 106 | 95 | 0.3 | Dennys Reyes |
| Andrew Wantz | 9.7 | 4.2 | 1.6 | 10.7% | 24.4% | .295 | 90 | 111 | 0.3 | Gene Harris |
| Robinson Pina | 8.8 | 5.5 | 1.4 | 13.4% | 21.2% | .299 | 83 | 120 | 0.3 | Donnie Elliott |
| Jake Lee | 7.9 | 3.8 | 1.5 | 9.5% | 20.0% | .290 | 99 | 101 | 0.3 | Tom Rowe |
| Oliver Ortega | 8.1 | 4.8 | 1.3 | 11.8% | 19.9% | .298 | 90 | 111 | 0.2 | Anthony Chavez |
| Félix Peña | 7.8 | 3.6 | 1.5 | 9.0% | 19.8% | .295 | 87 | 114 | 0.2 | Roberto Giron |
| Denny Brady | 7.5 | 3.9 | 1.6 | 9.8% | 18.5% | .294 | 87 | 115 | 0.2 | Dallas Braden |
| Austin Warren | 9.3 | 4.6 | 1.3 | 11.4% | 23.2% | .297 | 98 | 103 | 0.2 | Sal Urso |
| Alex Claudio | 6.8 | 3.2 | 1.1 | 8.1% | 17.2% | .301 | 99 | 101 | 0.2 | Jason Kershner |
| Jack Dashwood | 6.5 | 2.5 | 1.9 | 6.2% | 16.5% | .302 | 82 | 121 | 0.1 | Bill Mendek |
| Gerardo Reyes | 11.7 | 4.6 | 1.4 | 11.6% | 29.6% | .307 | 97 | 103 | 0.1 | Chris Booker |
| Kenny Rosenberg | 8.0 | 4.7 | 1.6 | 11.5% | 19.7% | .300 | 80 | 124 | 0.0 | George Riley |
| Sam Selman | 9.5 | 5.1 | 1.4 | 12.6% | 23.7% | .281 | 91 | 109 | 0.0 | Marshall Bridges |
| Jaime Barría | 6.4 | 2.6 | 2.0 | 6.5% | 16.1% | .299 | 78 | 128 | 0.0 | Nicholas Ungs |
| James Hoyt | 8.3 | 4.6 | 1.2 | 11.3% | 20.5% | .298 | 93 | 108 | 0.0 | Darrin Babineaux |
| Brian Johnson | 7.1 | 4.0 | 1.7 | 9.9% | 17.4% | .304 | 79 | 127 | -0.1 | Bill Krueger |
| Jimmy Herget | 9.5 | 4.4 | 1.5 | 10.9% | 23.7% | .294 | 92 | 108 | -0.1 | Jailen Peguero |
| Kolton Ingram | 8.2 | 5.1 | 1.1 | 12.4% | 19.9% | .305 | 91 | 110 | -0.1 | Gary Wayne |
| Keith Rogalla | 7.0 | 5.0 | 1.3 | 12.1% | 16.8% | .299 | 85 | 118 | -0.1 | Paul Schneider |
| Tyler Danish | 7.7 | 3.1 | 1.7 | 7.9% | 19.5% | .301 | 84 | 119 | -0.1 | Joe Roa |
| Jake Buchanan | 5.9 | 3.1 | 1.9 | 7.7% | 14.6% | .303 | 76 | 131 | -0.2 | Brian Tollberg |
| Janson Junk | 6.9 | 4.2 | 1.7 | 10.1% | 16.7% | .303 | 76 | 131 | -0.2 | Chris Enochs |
| Jake Petricka | 7.9 | 4.2 | 1.5 | 10.3% | 19.5% | .299 | 85 | 117 | -0.2 | Rodney Myers |
| Elvis Peguero | 7.1 | 4.0 | 1.3 | 9.7% | 17.4% | .304 | 87 | 115 | -0.2 | Brian Wolfe |
| Jose Marte | 8.6 | 6.3 | 1.5 | 15.0% | 20.3% | .297 | 77 | 130 | -0.2 | Mike Schultz |
| Aaron Hernandez | 7.6 | 6.4 | 1.5 | 15.0% | 17.8% | .303 | 74 | 136 | -0.3 | Kevin Ritz |
| Boomer Biegalski | 7.7 | 3.4 | 2.1 | 8.4% | 19.1% | .297 | 78 | 129 | -0.3 | Thad Markray |
| Tim Peterson | 8.2 | 3.2 | 1.9 | 8.1% | 20.9% | .290 | 85 | 117 | -0.3 | Adam Eaton |
| Connor Higgins | 7.9 | 5.8 | 1.1 | 14.0% | 18.9% | .298 | 85 | 118 | -0.3 | Mike Venafro |
| Ben Rowen | 6.2 | 2.3 | 1.9 | 5.8% | 15.6% | .296 | 79 | 127 | -0.3 | Jose Bautista |
| Zack Weiss | 9.3 | 5.4 | 1.7 | 13.0% | 22.5% | .300 | 79 | 127 | -0.3 | Darwin Cubillan |
| Sean McLaughlin | 6.2 | 4.1 | 1.4 | 10.1% | 15.1% | .295 | 83 | 121 | -0.3 | John Koronka |
| AJ Ramos | 9.6 | 4.8 | 1.7 | 11.8% | 23.7% | .296 | 83 | 121 | -0.3 | Jim Dougherty |
| Zach Linginfelter | 6.9 | 5.9 | 1.6 | 13.8% | 16.3% | .298 | 74 | 135 | -0.3 | Ricky Steik |
| Zac Ryan | 9.3 | 6.1 | 1.5 | 14.6% | 22.2% | .296 | 81 | 124 | -0.4 | John Davis |
| Taylor Ahearn | 5.6 | 4.3 | 2.0 | 10.3% | 13.3% | .299 | 70 | 142 | -0.4 | Juan Done |
| Thomas Pannone | 6.4 | 3.5 | 2.1 | 8.5% | 15.6% | .297 | 72 | 138 | -0.6 | Benj Sampson |
| Matthias Dietz | 7.5 | 10.6 | 1.4 | 22.4% | 15.9% | .301 | 59 | 169 | -1.0 | Darin Moore |
Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2022 due to injury, and players who were released in 2021. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a big band orchestra that only plays nu-metal versions of baroque cantatas, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.36, similar to the post-June substance-enforcement environment.
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Love the Trout/Willie Mays comp..Hate the 450 AB projection, though it’s warranted at this point.
Ohtani as a combo of Kirk Gibson/AJ Burnett..that’ll play.
Playing around with the plus stats leaderboards the closest recent-ish comps I could find for the two 2021 Shoheis were…
2021 Ohtani | 177 BB+ | 129 K+ | 104 AVG+ | 118 OBP+ | 142 SLG+ | 152 wRC+
2001 Manny | 158 BB+ | 144 K+ | 115 AVG+ | 121 OBP+ | 142 SLG+ | 156 wRC+
2021 Ohtani | 122 K+ | 93 BB+ | 81 HR+ | 73 ERA- | 80 FIP-
1997 Appier | 116 K+ | 81 BB+ | 83 HR+ | 74 ERA- | 81 FIP-
So Manny with a few more walks, few less Ks & singles at the plate and Appier with a few more Ks/BBs (& like 100 less IP) on the mound.
A 7.7 two-way projection for Ohtani based on the Depth Charts playing time estimates. Not too shabby.
The Gibson/Burnett combo actually “feels” a bit disappointing.
Maybe..because neither guy was HOF caliber..but:
27 year old Gibby was a stud for the ’84 Tigers- 142 wRC+, 26 HR, 29 SB & he was holy terror on the base paths. 4.7 fWAR.
27 year old Burnett- 120 innings, 3.68 ERA, 3.19 FIP, 1.17 WHIP, 2.9 fWAR.
Probably the biggest difference is Gibby was a wild man, Ohtani is so reserved.
Brendon Davis is the opposite of most recent Angels prospects. He doesn’t have the shiny tools that the prospect writers like (they don’t like his swing and miss), but he just hit across 3 levels ending up in AAA last season. The AA and AAA stats lead to some very favorable projections relative to his most recent prospect grade…though still not a great ZiPs projection.
Yes, Steamer likes him better–about 1.8 fWAR over 600 PAs. I wouldn’t bet on him, the ZiPs projection seems more feasible. But I’d still rather see him get a chance than see Andrew Velazquez and Tyler Wade out there.
Everyone likes to bash the Angels for “never spending”, but that sort of gives them a pass for YEARS of atrocious player development. Same thing goes with the Phillies. Aside from one glaring, notable exception (Trout, Nola) both teams have been terrible at producing even lower-level major league starters, despite having some not-bad draft positions over the past decade.
Adell and Marsh were supposed to break this cycle and give them a loaded outfield, but the clock is ticking on Trout/Ohtani and ZiPS isn’t even totally convinced that either of them should even be in the majors. I realize they’re both still young and have time to figure it out, but how much longer is Trout going to be an All-Star level player (as blasphemous as that may sound)?
To be fair, the Phillies and the Angels front offices who were responsible for these disasters are no longer around. For the Angels, part of it was bad drafting and development and a bad scouting operation in Latin America. The other part of it was that they traded all their prospects and losing all those picks by signing QO free agents in the Dipoto years (which was often Moreno meddling). Oh, and the deaths of Tyler Skaggs and Nick Adenhart don’t help either.
If you want to think about something truly confounding, take a look at the Rangers’ development pipeline. Jon Daniels has been there for…10 years? 15 years?
As long as I’m at it, I’m of the mind that Billy Eppler gets a lot more flak than he deserves. Marsh and Adell can still turn things around, Jared Walsh is a clear win, and Reid Detmers looks like he’ll be good. I also still think Griffin Canning might be a #4 type starter. I think the Jordyn Adams pick looks bad in hindsight but it wasn’t even close to the most confounding one in that draft (that was the Kyler Murray draft; also Matthew Liberatore, Brady Singer, and Nolan Gorman should not have been picked that late). The international amateur signings haven’t panned out but they didn’t even really have much of an international operation before Eppler showed up.
The places where I think you can legitimately slam him are picking Matt Thaiss in that first draft and getting virtually no one who succeeded after Round 2. Here are the total list of guys picked in the 3rd round of 2016 who look like possible major league contributors:
-Garrett Hampson
-Sean Murphy
-Austin Hays
-Aaron Civale
-Jesus Luzardo
-Jake Rogers
-Dustin May
-Zac Gallen
So that’s about a 25-30% hit rate in Round 3…at best. Not all those guys are actually going to be major league contributors. So you don’t have to be much below average to completely strike out after Round 2.
Good post James. This team looks like a .500 team at best. They bragged about Jo Adell and Brandon Marsh…..well they have arrived and WTF…..they deservedly have lousy projections. I could never understand how people thought Marsh would hit in the majors, hell he can’t hit in the minors. And their 6 starting pitchers…..really ?? That is going to make you a contender ? Even before ZIPS I thought they were out of the playoffs yet again and looking at these numbers confirms it.
I don’t see how you could argue that the Angels are guilty of “never spending”. They spend quite a bit, they just love giving money to old guys over 30 that are past their prime
Somewhere Gary Matthews Jr. looks up and smiles…
I think people phrase it more like… “They need to spend to get Trout to the playoffs!” It’s just such an easy fix-all statement for those who don’t realize that’s exactly what they’ve been trying to do. Unfortunately for them they’ve made plenty of bad spending mistakes too… Hamilton and maybe Rendon (ugh) come to mind, but even a contract like Zack Cozart’s… if you’re not going to develop the players, you can’t *also* consistently whiff on your big free agent contracts.
Ehhh, Trout has been hurt. So maybe he won’t be an All-Star because he continues to get hurt. I can see that. But in his limited PT last year he had the highest wRC+ of his career (190) . While that was mostly babip aided, he also posted an 18.5% BB. Even assuming he got quite lucky last year, he will continue to be an all-star caliber player (when on the field) for the foreseeable future, imo. The when on the field is doing a lot of lifting for that sentence however.
I remember the negatives about him in a scouting report from when he was in high school, like that he would literally eat 10-20 hamburgers in a day. I remember thinking no way that was true, and probably greatly exaggerated. It probably is, and I would imagine now he has a chef and eats much better…but I cannot help to think what losing a bit of weight would do for him. I know he is a pro-athlete, and one of the GOAT at that, but I wonder if some of it is in spite of. Like, if Trout just dropped 20-30lbs would he be better? He is listed at 235, but if you look at the photos of him when he was first listed at 235 vs now, it looks like he could be 15-20lbs or so heavier. If he was actually 235, or hell dropped to 220 I would venture it would help him a lot at staying on the field.
The outfield is a little unfortunate but at least Marsh and Adell are young and might turn the corner, maybe. It’s shortstop that really gets me. Imagine a team that spent $265M on Anthony Rendon and is currently planning to run out Tyler Wade and Andrew Velazquez at shortstop. Or, better yet, don’t imagine it, and instead look at the depth chart for the Angels.
Maybe the Cardinals have decided to move on from DeJong or something, or maybe a team that has a bunch of blocked shortstop types will be interested in trading one of them (Gimenez in Cleveland, Kreidler in Detroit, etc). But otherwise, unless Stefanic can handle shortstop it’s gonna be a rough year.
It’s probably worth giving Stefanic a chance as it can’t be much worse than running Wade and Vasquez out there, however, I’m not overly optimistic on him. According to Eric, his minor league exit velos are really low and his uptick in power is just a mirage. It’s probably more likely he looks like David Fletcher offensively but plays subpar defense which isn’t a great combo.
Stefanic only played 6 games at SS in 2021, so if he were the answer, he would play 2nd with Fletcher moving to shortstop, which also isn’t great.
I understand that these are mid-point projections and I see why they hit where they did. I’ll still take the over on an outfield with Trout, Marsh, and Adell putting up 7.3 WAR combined.
Kinda bummed that Anthony Rendon’s ZIPS projection isn’t higher than 2.7 WAR.
He’s getting old and injured. =/
plate appearances aren’t that high
I’m disappointed in the Brandon Marsh projection. If he and Adell can’t be better than this, then they don’t have much hope for being better outside the Rendon/Ohtani/Trout trio.
Brandon Marsh is nothing more than a 4th outfielder. Take a look at his minor league record. Adell has power for sure but strikes out at an alarming rate. Even Trout’s projection is underwhelming for a star player. So you are correct that the Angels don’t appear to be a playoff team.
In the Angels defense, they have had some terrible luck in free agency. It’s easy to look back now and say they were mistakes but I don’t think anyone could have foreseen them working on the way they have. Pujols was an albatross of a contract that they are just getting out from under. They inked Upton to a 5 year deal after he was coming off of a 5+ WAR season. Hopefully Rendon doesn’t go the same route but he went from having three consecutive 6+ WAR season to putting up 0.7 WAR last season and now he’s only projected for 2.7.
Looking back they’ve maintained a top 10 payroll for 17 straight years. They had an opening day payroll of $182M last year and are at $169M now. I imagine there’s still some room to spend there and you’ll see them shell out another $10-20M. There’s a few different places they could spend. While the outfield doesn’t project all that well, there’s still some strong upside in Adell and Marsh and it would be nice to see if one or both of them could figure it out. There is a glaring need in the middle infield. Maybe signing someone with a little pop (Jed Lowrie or Brad Miller) . They could definitely use another middle of the rotation starter as well. I could see them going after someone like Kikuchi, Greinke, Pineda or Duffy.
I doubt they’ll sign a difference maker but I think they would be a perfect candidate to go after someone like John Means. Their minors is pretty thin but if they have a shot to land someone like that now, I think they need to take it.
They might not be able to get Means unless they trade Detmers. But in general, I would trade everyone else with prospect eligibility for guys who can help them win now. They need a shortstop and a catcher for when Stassi gets hurt. And relievers, but at least a few of them are still available on the FA market. And a pitcher who projects for more than 3 wins, but that’s also going to be hard to get without trading Detmers. Maybe they let a team buy a prospect from them by taking Upton and they sign Rodon?
I was thinking something along the same lines for Rodon as well. I wonder if they could backload a contract for him considering Upton’s contract is coming off the books next year. Mabye $10M in 2022 and $20M per season from 2023-2025.
The AAV is the problem since it gets used in luxury tax calculations. So, for example, Raisiel Iglesias is only getting paid $10M this year but will be paid $16M later; his luxury tax number this year is therefore $14M. Since they would need to pay $30M+ a year to lock up Ohtani, and maybe more, if they want to keep him long-term they might have a tough time handing out another long-term deal that’s big. This is probably why the rumors were that they were looking to short-term deals primarily.
Rodon’s a tricky case because we don’t know what his health is. If he’s healthy, then I think the Angels really should sign him and deal with other problems later. I think he’d do well in a six-man rotation, too, and give them upside at the top of the rotation. Also, in that case they probably shouldn’t have given Michael Lorenzen nearly $7M and promised him a spot in the starting rotation. But Canning and Detmers both have options so maybe that could be the play.
Rodon would be a good gamble because the upside is huge and he won’t cost as much as the other top free agent starters.
If the DH goes to the NL, I could see a team taking Upton with enough money as a DH for a FV 35+ to FV 40 guy. maybe a decent deep reliever.
Look, you know your stuff and are well respected but can I not get you to agree that instead of signing a bunch of # 3 and # 4 starters they should have spent big on an ace. Yes I get that Arte won’t want to do that but either they want to win or they don’t. I actually DO believe Trout may never see the playoffs. ( unless 14 – 16 teams get in ).
The Albert contract clearly anticipated an overpay for the later years–no one thought he’d be very productive in 2020–but had to have surprised with how quickly he declined. It’s a little shocking he would go from inner circle to a total of 12.8 BWAR in the following 10 years.
Almost as if he was older than he claimed
LOL Yup. Numerous baseball people feel Albert was 2 or 3 years older which would explain a lot.
” That is, assuming that Rob Manfred’s dystopian fever dream of every mediocre club getting a chance to knock off a 100-win team in the postseason by winning two of three games comes to pass.” Nice work, Dan. A little exaggeration, but only a little.
I keep expecting him to say “people love March Madness! Let’s expand and have a 32 team single elimination tournament!”
Of course, there are 350 Division I men’s basketball teams. So they’ve got only 20% of the teams making the playoffs. In baseball, that would mean only six teams would make the playoffs out of 30.
I really don’t think you can ever have a successful situation where more than about 45% of the teams in the league make the playoffs, and even that’s pushing it. but they’re so obviously angling for a 16 team playoff. If they’re willing to expand to 36 teams, I’d go for it. Otherwise it’ll be a mess.
It’ll be an insanely profitable mess, which is really all they care about.
Yup but let’s let 3 minor league teams have a shot at the # 32 slot. LOL Good one !!
So ZIPS is expecting another injury riddled season for Trout. So much for that first year HOF entry. Players who seem to be overly muscular sure seem to get injured alot. Just like pitchers who continue to push the upper limits on the radar gun. Pushing the boundaries of the human anatomy. Guess there’s only so much stretching you can do.
“So much for that first year entry” wait what? Trout is getting in his first year of eligibility even if he never plays again.
So, “if he never plays again” and ends up with 351 HRs you’re saying he gets in on the first year ballot? Let’s agree to disagree. He’s been fantastic and other wordly his first 8 years but has become injury prone. My comment was based on ZIPS projecting another injury riddled season and my comment on the first year ballot done a bit sarcastically. As a Trout owner in my fantasy league I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he stays healthy but recency bias indicates he’s not trustworthy to stay healthy for a full season.
Yes, the 9-time All-Star with 3 MVPs (plus 3 more second-place finishes), 9 Silver Sluggers, and a 1.000 career OPS is being voted in first-ballot if he suffers a freak injury and is never able to play again. Is that a serious question?
Trout would need a Vizquel-level character scandal to keep him out of the HoF at this point, and even then he’d probably get enough votes to stick around on the ballot.
If he never plays again, he is still ahead of both Griffey and DiMaggio in JAWS, with a career OPS over 1.000 and 3 MVPs. You can disagree about first year ballot Hall of Famer, but good luck getting 25% of the electorate to agree with you on that one.
And yet he’s 5th among CF all-time in WAR.
This is a ridiculous argument. He’s one of the 3-5 greatest players to ever put on a uniform. He’s an automatic 1st ballot HOF
I will agree that those that put down hard cash are leery as well. In the NFBC Trout rarely goes in the 1st round now. ( top 15 ).
I’m in quite a few of those NFBC’s, and since they are DC’s and incredibly top heavy, I love starting on the corner. Trout and deGrom is the perfect start to a national contest. Sure more likely than not that start isn’t going to pay off, but you are facing off vs what, 5k entries? I will take that chance. I wouldn’t necessarily do it in a stand-alone league, but in a 150 DC? I’m in.
If Sandy Koufax got voted in on the first ballot, then Trout is having no problem.
And it didn’t take Trout seven seasons to figure things out – he was peak Trout in his first fall season.
He’s first ballot, and could challenge 100% of the vote, if he never plays another game
Sandoval, Suarez and Buttrey don’t look terrible here. Are they injured? If not Zack Greinke and Jon Lester could be all they need if Rengifo and Stefanic are defensive. Adell could be supplemented by Eddie Rosario or someone like that. Filling in this part of the roster should be a lot easier than acquiring Trout and Otahni. They can always supplement midseason. I also wouldn’t count Oakland as a plausible contender and Seattle may be a year away.
On filling in the roster, it is easy if one has resources to do so such as room under the team’s budget or a surplus of prospects. I doubt Moreno gives the Angels much more budget and the Angels don’t have much on the farm that they won’t need themselves. The Angels need very healthy seasons from Trout and Ohtani.
Yes Moreno needs to step up
The Angels are leading the AL West in payroll at the moment. I do expect the Astros will pass them, but the Angels problem isn’t that Moreno hasn’t stepped up.
Yep him interfering has been a big issue though if he ever backs off they’ll be in much better shape.
Buttrey announced his retirement last year and unless I missed his comeback announcement I don’t think you should factor him in
I wonder why both ZiPS and Steamer are so down on Sandoval and Suarez. Both pitched quite well in 2021 and showed improvement throughout the year across a pretty good sample size of innings pitched. I understand expecting some regression but it’s not as if that improvement came from nowhere–Sandoval adding a plus sinker to his pitch mix and Suarez making big gains on his curveball spin would seem to imply genuine growth as opposed to just getting lucky.
For a team that hopes to go to the playoffs……they stink !! Check out Jo Adell, Brandon Marsh and even Mike Trout. Then check out their 6 man rotation where 3 of them are flat out lousy. And they can only hope Syndergaard does rebound otherwise .500 here we come.
It looks like we’ll get 12 playoff teams next season (thanks Manfred!), so they’ll likely be in the race even with a moderately lucky season.
I do not like the Angels as a team and pitching depth will again be their downfall, but companon Trout and Rendon are very low bars to clear and putting Marsh into CF and making Trout play a corner will increase Trouts PAs. Marsh himself has pretty good Statcast #s with max EV and avg exit velocity and his xslg was ok last year for a 23yr old with limited PAs once he learns the zone better lookout. They can find Wendle types to fill in so offense will be fine but man that pitching is pretty bad overall.
Baseball Gods: please give us 650 PA’s of Trout and a postseason berth. Pleaaase
Love Marsh’s upside. Gets knocked as overrated due to health limiting his minor league performance. There are some nice things to like in his profile. The speed is something that isn’t thought of as elite but he seems a willing runner. Can’t wait to see what people think of him after spring training. Trying to decide whether to keep him or buy. If he is forgotten, then I’d re-up at the bare minimum, otherwise, I’m afraid to lose him at the price I’ve got him pegged.
Can you please explain the Jared Walsh comp? A AAA player who has yet to break into the big leagues is the best comparison for a 2+win major leaguer with legitimate game power?
In this case, because I linked the wrong Chad Tracy.
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/chad-tracy/1888/stats?position=1B/3B
Though this *can* happen sometimes, though it’s usually older players. Ken Phelps All-Stars used to be a thing. Move them back a decade and there’s a chance that Nelson Cruz and others don’t have careers in the majors and continue crushing AAA pitchers until they retire at 32.
Not quite sure I understand the link to the correct Chad Tracy either. Earlier in their careers, I could see the similarities but by 28 Tracy was garbage. He put up -0.6 WAR and a 81 wRC+. Or perhaps I’m not understanding how ZIPs works and he’s being compared to Tracy’s age 25 or 26 season.
To put it the most simply, comps look backwards at similar baselines/shapes/characteristics. They’re not comps of what future play is expected (they couldn’t be, since a very large cohort of most similar players is used to project that future).
My favorite part of these is seeing the comps…love me some Willie Mays.
I mean… I guess you can squint and see this rosy projection…
Zips projects 1500 combined plate apperances from Trout, Ohtani and Rendon and 250 combined innings from Ohtani and Syndergaard. I guess there’s a universe in which that happens… but it may be the Andrew Garfield or Tobey McGuire one…
Seeing a 5 WAR projection for Trout is so bleak. Truly nothing lasts forever.
Mike Clevinger for Vinnie Pestano.