2022 ZiPS Projections: San Diego Padres
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the San Diego Padres.
Batters
There’s no lying: 2021 was a tough year for the Padres, at least the last six weeks or so. As late as August 10, they were firmly in control of a playoff spot and, at 67–49, on pace for a 94-win season. The rest of the year was as brutal a run as I can remember for any team, certainly for one that had legitimate playoff hopes beforehand. Over the last 46 games of the season, San Diego went 12–34, the worst in baseball, even worse than the Orioles, who were nearly at the level of dragooning fans into throwing mop-up innings. Before the Friars, only one team, the 1986 Orioles, ever finished the season this poorly while winning at least 70 games. That was a team I remember well, being an eight-year-old in Baltimore at the time; it basically sent Earl Weaver back to retirement at a relatively young 56.
The good news is that the best reasons for liking the Padres before 2021 remain on the team. Fernando Tatis Jr. has the best projection for any player on a team run so far, by a two-win cushion, though this is partially thanks to ZiPS having anxiety about Mike Trout’s injury record in recent seasons and will change when the ZiPS for the Nats go public, but he is the foundation of this team, even if he eventually has to move to another position because of shoulder problems. Manny Machado is still in his 20s, Jake Cronenworth had a star-level season, and ZiPS thinks Trent Grisham will have a better 2022.
The bad news is that outside of Tatis, Cronenworth and Joe Musgrove, there are precious few Padres to feel clearly more confident about this time around, and they don’t have enough wiggle room to justify scraping by with holes at three of the four corner positions. San Diego appeared, late in the season, to realize finally that the Eric Hosmer situation wasn’t going to work itself out magically but still hasn’t committed to doing anything significant at first other than “insert coin to try again” like it’s 1993 and it just lost to M. Bison in Street Fighter II. That Nomar Mazara might be part of the left field mess if the season started today is not something a fan should be excited about. Wil Myers reverting to non-2020 form leaves right field as another weak spot, though it may be tough for the Padres to do anything here while also fixing first and left. And ZiPS sees no in-house saviors on the short-term horizon; ask me next year about Robert Hassell III.
Pitchers
The Padres entered the season with a long list of plausible starting pitching candidates, and in the end, it still wasn’t enough. In addition to Mike Clevinger, already known to be out of the season with Tommy John surgery, they lost Dinelson Lamet, Blake Snell, Yu Darvish, Chris Paddack, and Adrian Morejon to injury at various times. The season started with Paddack as the fifth starter, but its last whimper featured starts by pitchers such as Jake Arrieta and Vince Velasquez.
The Padres tried to use a deep bullpen to conserve the starting pitching after the shortened 2020 season, but this backfired; they still suffered a rash of injuries, and the bullpen collapsed as well. Through August 10, San Diego relievers led baseball with a 2.89 ERA in 480 1/3 innings — the most innings of any bullpen in the league at that point and far above the MLB average of 415. During San Diego’s season-ending hellscape, that ERA ballooned to over five.
So, what does ZiPS think? It still sees the Padres as having a reasonably deep pitching staff, but one with generally reduced expectations relative to last season. The dream of Lamet throwing 150 innings is probably gone, and both Darvish and Snell have weaker projections than before 2021. Compared to the preseason, I have the Padres’ full rotation about three-to-four wins worse this time around despite losing no significant starting pitcher to free agency and Clevinger returning. It’s still in the top tier, but like the offense, it has less margin of error to work with.
On the positive side, ZiPS remains less down on Paddack than fans and possibly the team are, the computer agreeing with Steamer that he should still be in the team’s plans. ZiPS is also highly intrigued by two quiet signings the Padres made: Nick Martínez to a four-year, $20 million contract, and Robert Suarez to a two-year, $11 million deal. Martínez throws harder these days than you may remember from his time with the Rangers, as he can now hit the mid-90s. Suarez is mostly a fastball-changeup pitcher who can touch the century mark in velocity and has been an elite closer for NPB’s Hanshin Tigers the last two seasons.
The Padres remain contenders in an NL West in which the Giants and Dodgers have both lost considerable talent to free agency, but they still need to be more aggressive than just waiting for the bounce.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fernando Tatis Jr. | R | 23 | SS | 553 | 482 | 106 | 143 | 28 | 2 | 44 | 111 | 63 | 137 | 31 | 5 |
| Manny Machado | R | 29 | 3B | 641 | 570 | 83 | 157 | 29 | 2 | 28 | 103 | 61 | 103 | 11 | 3 |
| Jake Cronenworth | L | 28 | 2B | 596 | 533 | 84 | 147 | 31 | 6 | 17 | 64 | 50 | 88 | 7 | 4 |
| Trent Grisham | L | 25 | CF | 567 | 491 | 72 | 121 | 25 | 5 | 18 | 67 | 66 | 131 | 14 | 4 |
| Ha-Seong Kim 김하성 | R | 26 | SS | 465 | 415 | 57 | 97 | 21 | 2 | 14 | 61 | 39 | 95 | 11 | 1 |
| Tommy Pham | R | 34 | LF | 537 | 463 | 70 | 114 | 21 | 2 | 15 | 50 | 68 | 121 | 14 | 5 |
| Austin Nola | R | 32 | C | 349 | 312 | 37 | 80 | 17 | 1 | 8 | 40 | 28 | 58 | 1 | 1 |
| Luis Campusano | R | 23 | C | 410 | 372 | 41 | 90 | 17 | 2 | 13 | 39 | 30 | 89 | 1 | 0 |
| Eguy Rosario | R | 22 | SS | 504 | 459 | 60 | 107 | 23 | 3 | 12 | 50 | 34 | 122 | 19 | 9 |
| C.J. Hinojosa | R | 27 | 2B | 458 | 427 | 54 | 108 | 24 | 1 | 9 | 43 | 24 | 84 | 3 | 2 |
| Wil Myers | R | 31 | RF | 479 | 429 | 54 | 104 | 23 | 2 | 17 | 60 | 47 | 140 | 9 | 5 |
| Victor Caratini | B | 28 | C | 345 | 305 | 34 | 73 | 12 | 0 | 8 | 38 | 32 | 77 | 2 | 0 |
| Domingo Leyba | B | 26 | 2B | 410 | 375 | 48 | 87 | 19 | 2 | 11 | 47 | 28 | 85 | 1 | 2 |
| Matt Batten | R | 27 | SS | 496 | 453 | 59 | 108 | 16 | 2 | 7 | 33 | 38 | 139 | 19 | 5 |
| CJ Abrams | L | 21 | SS | 217 | 199 | 29 | 48 | 10 | 1 | 4 | 22 | 13 | 47 | 11 | 3 |
| Jurickson Profar | B | 29 | LF | 455 | 398 | 56 | 96 | 21 | 2 | 10 | 47 | 46 | 68 | 10 | 3 |
| Brian O’Grady | L | 30 | RF | 425 | 378 | 47 | 80 | 18 | 2 | 16 | 48 | 38 | 129 | 10 | 3 |
| Nick Tanielu | R | 29 | 3B | 415 | 380 | 44 | 88 | 20 | 1 | 10 | 39 | 26 | 84 | 2 | 1 |
| Jake Marisnick | R | 31 | CF | 253 | 230 | 31 | 50 | 11 | 2 | 7 | 28 | 14 | 80 | 6 | 2 |
| Eric Hosmer | L | 32 | 1B | 573 | 522 | 57 | 134 | 24 | 1 | 14 | 72 | 43 | 115 | 4 | 4 |
| Nomar Mazara | L | 27 | RF | 378 | 346 | 41 | 85 | 16 | 1 | 12 | 49 | 26 | 98 | 1 | 1 |
| Luis Liberato | L | 26 | CF | 366 | 332 | 39 | 75 | 13 | 2 | 8 | 33 | 24 | 97 | 3 | 2 |
| Jorge Alfaro | R | 29 | C | 382 | 355 | 32 | 85 | 14 | 1 | 10 | 43 | 17 | 123 | 7 | 2 |
| Patrick Kivlehan | R | 32 | RF | 412 | 374 | 47 | 80 | 16 | 2 | 15 | 50 | 27 | 125 | 3 | 2 |
| Webster Rivas | R | 31 | C | 258 | 232 | 25 | 52 | 8 | 0 | 5 | 18 | 21 | 59 | 0 | 0 |
| John Andreoli | R | 32 | CF | 353 | 306 | 38 | 59 | 13 | 1 | 7 | 27 | 41 | 117 | 7 | 2 |
| Esteury Ruiz | R | 23 | LF | 392 | 359 | 44 | 78 | 16 | 1 | 10 | 38 | 23 | 95 | 24 | 7 |
| Robbie Podorsky | R | 27 | CF | 156 | 141 | 13 | 32 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 10 | 10 | 32 | 9 | 3 |
| Yorman Rodriguez | R | 24 | 1B | 297 | 281 | 28 | 70 | 11 | 1 | 7 | 24 | 13 | 58 | 3 | 3 |
| Kelvin Melean | R | 23 | 2B | 375 | 346 | 45 | 75 | 15 | 1 | 6 | 32 | 21 | 74 | 5 | 3 |
| Ethan Skender | R | 25 | 3B | 321 | 293 | 39 | 63 | 11 | 2 | 5 | 26 | 19 | 83 | 4 | 3 |
| Olivier Basabe | R | 24 | 3B | 389 | 357 | 36 | 75 | 13 | 2 | 7 | 31 | 26 | 90 | 4 | 2 |
| Juan Fernandez | R | 23 | C | 307 | 281 | 33 | 60 | 10 | 1 | 9 | 28 | 20 | 67 | 2 | 1 |
| José Azocar | R | 26 | CF | 542 | 504 | 60 | 119 | 18 | 4 | 9 | 48 | 26 | 138 | 17 | 6 |
| Pedro Florimón | B | 35 | SS | 372 | 333 | 40 | 63 | 11 | 2 | 6 | 29 | 33 | 127 | 5 | 1 |
| Chandler Seagle | R | 26 | C | 163 | 147 | 16 | 25 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 11 | 9 | 50 | 0 | 0 |
| Ben Ruta | L | 28 | LF | 390 | 355 | 40 | 73 | 15 | 2 | 7 | 31 | 27 | 95 | 12 | 6 |
| Jorge Oña | R | 25 | LF | 174 | 155 | 18 | 33 | 5 | 0 | 5 | 16 | 14 | 60 | 1 | 1 |
| Taylor Kohlwey | L | 27 | 1B | 428 | 381 | 55 | 88 | 15 | 2 | 8 | 37 | 35 | 116 | 7 | 4 |
| Zack Mathis | L | 23 | 3B | 355 | 329 | 36 | 69 | 13 | 0 | 8 | 26 | 20 | 86 | 2 | 2 |
| Michael Cantu | R | 26 | C | 149 | 134 | 16 | 23 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 12 | 12 | 55 | 0 | 0 |
| Michael Curry | R | 24 | LF | 337 | 305 | 37 | 60 | 12 | 1 | 8 | 31 | 28 | 104 | 2 | 0 |
| Dwanya Williams-Sutton | R | 24 | LF | 322 | 273 | 36 | 49 | 8 | 1 | 7 | 26 | 33 | 105 | 6 | 3 |
| Agustin Ruiz | L | 22 | RF | 497 | 457 | 55 | 95 | 17 | 1 | 16 | 55 | 31 | 146 | 2 | 2 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fernando Tatis Jr. | .297 | .380 | .637 | 173 | .340 | .329 | 9.8 | -1 | 7.6 | Alex Rodriguez |
| Manny Machado | .275 | .345 | .481 | 125 | .205 | .294 | 6.3 | 2 | 4.4 | Ken Boyer |
| Jake Cronenworth | .276 | .345 | .452 | 118 | .176 | .304 | 5.8 | 3 | 3.9 | Jorge Orta |
| Trent Grisham | .246 | .339 | .428 | 110 | .181 | .301 | 5.3 | 6 | 3.7 | Trot Nixon |
| Ha-Seong Kim | .234 | .305 | .395 | 91 | .161 | .271 | 4.5 | 2 | 2.0 | Dick Schofield |
| Tommy Pham | .246 | .346 | .397 | 105 | .151 | .303 | 5.0 | -2 | 1.7 | Lonnie Smith |
| Austin Nola | .256 | .327 | .394 | 98 | .138 | .293 | 4.6 | -2 | 1.4 | Terry Steinbach |
| Luis Campusano | .242 | .306 | .403 | 94 | .161 | .285 | 4.4 | -5 | 1.1 | Ed Hearn |
| Eguy Rosario | .233 | .289 | .375 | 82 | .142 | .292 | 3.8 | 1 | 1.1 | Dave Edler |
| C.J. Hinojosa | .253 | .292 | .377 | 83 | .124 | .296 | 4.0 | 4 | 1.1 | Jason Alfaro |
| Wil Myers | .242 | .317 | .424 | 102 | .182 | .320 | 4.8 | -2 | 1.0 | Marty Cordova |
| Victor Caratini | .239 | .319 | .357 | 87 | .118 | .295 | 4.1 | -2 | 0.8 | Larry Gonzales |
| Domingo Leyba | .232 | .289 | .381 | 83 | .149 | .272 | 3.8 | 1 | 0.7 | Casey Waller |
| Matt Batten | .238 | .298 | .329 | 73 | .091 | .329 | 3.7 | -1 | 0.7 | Royce Clayton |
| CJ Abrams | .241 | .292 | .362 | 79 | .121 | .297 | 4.0 | 2 | 0.7 | Mark Wasinger |
| Jurickson Profar | .241 | .328 | .379 | 95 | .138 | .269 | 4.5 | -3 | 0.7 | Keith Luuloa |
| Brian O’Grady | .212 | .288 | .397 | 87 | .185 | .275 | 4.0 | 3 | 0.7 | Nate Murphy |
| Nick Tanielu | .232 | .284 | .368 | 78 | .137 | .273 | 3.7 | 2 | 0.6 | Pete Rose Jr. |
| Jake Marisnick | .217 | .279 | .374 | 78 | .157 | .301 | 3.7 | 2 | 0.5 | Dewayne Wise |
| Eric Hosmer | .257 | .316 | .387 | 93 | .130 | .305 | 4.4 | -1 | 0.5 | Mule Haas |
| Nomar Mazara | .246 | .302 | .402 | 92 | .156 | .309 | 4.3 | -1 | 0.4 | Ruben Mateo 마테오 |
| Luis Liberato | .226 | .275 | .349 | 71 | .123 | .295 | 3.3 | 4 | 0.4 | Jason Grove |
| Jorge Alfaro | .239 | .291 | .369 | 81 | .130 | .338 | 3.9 | -6 | 0.3 | Damian Miller |
| Patrick Kivlehan | .214 | .276 | .388 | 80 | .174 | .278 | 3.6 | 4 | 0.3 | Dann Howitt |
| Webster Rivas | .224 | .293 | .323 | 70 | .099 | .280 | 3.3 | 0 | 0.3 | Mike Matheny |
| John Andreoli | .193 | .290 | .310 | 66 | .118 | .286 | 3.1 | 2 | 0.2 | Adam Shabala |
| Esteury Ruiz | .217 | .274 | .351 | 71 | .134 | .268 | 3.6 | 4 | 0.1 | Brandon Pico |
| Robbie Podorsky | .227 | .286 | .312 | 65 | .085 | .280 | 3.3 | 1 | 0.0 | Kevin Estrada |
| Yorman Rodriguez | .249 | .286 | .370 | 79 | .121 | .292 | 3.7 | 2 | -0.1 | Kevin Haverbusch |
| Kelvin Melean | .217 | .270 | .318 | 62 | .101 | .259 | 2.9 | 1 | -0.2 | Javier Colina |
| Ethan Skender | .215 | .275 | .317 | 63 | .102 | .283 | 2.9 | 1 | -0.3 | Tony Woods |
| Olivier Basabe | .210 | .271 | .317 | 62 | .106 | .262 | 2.9 | 1 | -0.3 | Ryan Stegall |
| Juan Fernandez | .214 | .275 | .352 | 71 | .139 | .249 | 3.3 | -7 | -0.3 | Jeff Goldbach |
| José Azocar | .236 | .276 | .341 | 69 | .105 | .308 | 3.4 | -3 | -0.3 | Chris Roberson |
| Pedro Florimón | .189 | .264 | .288 | 53 | .099 | .285 | 2.6 | 1 | -0.3 | Shawn Gilbert |
| Chandler Seagle | .170 | .235 | .252 | 35 | .082 | .242 | 1.9 | 2 | -0.4 | Dave Ullery |
| Ben Ruta | .206 | .263 | .318 | 60 | .113 | .261 | 2.8 | 6 | -0.4 | Phil Dauphin |
| Jorge Oña | .213 | .287 | .342 | 73 | .129 | .311 | 3.3 | -3 | -0.4 | Dan Dimascio |
| Taylor Kohlwey | .231 | .300 | .344 | 77 | .113 | .311 | 3.6 | -1 | -0.4 | Kevin Koslofski |
| Zack Mathis | .210 | .268 | .322 | 62 | .112 | .260 | 2.9 | -1 | -0.5 | Vince Harrison |
| Michael Cantu | .172 | .243 | .261 | 40 | .090 | .263 | 2.1 | -2 | -0.6 | J.C. Boscan |
| Michael Curry | .197 | .268 | .321 | 62 | .125 | .269 | 3.0 | 1 | -0.6 | Gerad Cawhorn |
| Dwanya Williams-Sutton | .179 | .299 | .293 | 65 | .114 | .261 | 2.9 | -7 | -1.1 | Billy Deck |
| Agustin Ruiz | .208 | .263 | .354 | 68 | .147 | .268 | 3.1 | -9 | -1.8 | Scott Neuberger |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Joe Musgrove | R | 29 | 12 | 8 | 3.51 | 31 | 30 | 171.7 | 147 | 67 | 22 | 46 | 190 | 3.66 |
| Mike Clevinger | R | 31 | 8 | 5 | 3.45 | 19 | 19 | 112.3 | 93 | 43 | 14 | 37 | 123 | 3.65 |
| Yu Darvish | R | 35 | 9 | 7 | 3.87 | 26 | 26 | 144.3 | 125 | 62 | 21 | 44 | 163 | 3.89 |
| Blake Snell | L | 29 | 8 | 6 | 3.67 | 25 | 25 | 122.7 | 97 | 50 | 16 | 55 | 156 | 3.73 |
| Nick Martínez | R | 31 | 8 | 6 | 3.79 | 21 | 21 | 126.0 | 114 | 53 | 13 | 43 | 124 | 3.62 |
| Chris Paddack | R | 26 | 9 | 7 | 4.05 | 25 | 24 | 126.7 | 119 | 57 | 21 | 28 | 126 | 4.13 |
| Adrian Martinez | R | 25 | 6 | 6 | 4.27 | 27 | 19 | 111.7 | 112 | 53 | 13 | 41 | 91 | 4.33 |
| Dinelson Lamet | R | 29 | 4 | 3 | 3.79 | 20 | 12 | 61.7 | 52 | 26 | 8 | 27 | 76 | 3.91 |
| Jesse Scholtens | R | 28 | 6 | 6 | 4.49 | 22 | 20 | 104.3 | 105 | 52 | 15 | 37 | 94 | 4.48 |
| Craig Stammen | R | 38 | 6 | 4 | 3.47 | 60 | 2 | 72.7 | 68 | 28 | 7 | 15 | 66 | 3.36 |
| Matt Strahm | L | 30 | 5 | 4 | 3.84 | 35 | 8 | 68.0 | 65 | 29 | 9 | 15 | 65 | 3.87 |
| Robert Suarez | R | 31 | 2 | 1 | 3.48 | 50 | 1 | 54.3 | 48 | 21 | 6 | 17 | 57 | 3.57 |
| Tim Hill | L | 32 | 6 | 4 | 3.51 | 73 | 0 | 56.3 | 50 | 22 | 6 | 19 | 56 | 3.85 |
| Jake Arrieta | R | 36 | 8 | 9 | 4.78 | 21 | 21 | 101.7 | 109 | 54 | 15 | 42 | 79 | 4.93 |
| Vince Velasquez | R | 30 | 6 | 7 | 4.79 | 30 | 24 | 107.0 | 100 | 57 | 19 | 47 | 120 | 4.73 |
| Nabil Crismatt | R | 27 | 4 | 4 | 4.41 | 40 | 8 | 100.0 | 99 | 49 | 17 | 32 | 96 | 4.61 |
| Matt Waldron | R | 25 | 5 | 5 | 4.79 | 19 | 17 | 92.0 | 98 | 49 | 13 | 35 | 68 | 4.88 |
| Tom Cosgrove | L | 26 | 2 | 2 | 4.36 | 21 | 8 | 53.7 | 53 | 26 | 6 | 23 | 47 | 4.34 |
| Pierce Johnson | R | 31 | 4 | 3 | 3.74 | 60 | 1 | 55.3 | 45 | 23 | 7 | 24 | 70 | 3.65 |
| Ethan Elliott | L | 25 | 2 | 2 | 4.66 | 15 | 15 | 63.7 | 66 | 33 | 11 | 19 | 53 | 4.84 |
| Steven Wilson | R | 27 | 3 | 2 | 3.57 | 33 | 0 | 45.3 | 36 | 18 | 6 | 20 | 60 | 3.71 |
| Moises Lugo | R | 23 | 4 | 5 | 4.83 | 24 | 19 | 85.7 | 88 | 46 | 13 | 38 | 73 | 4.95 |
| Pedro Avila | R | 25 | 3 | 3 | 4.58 | 33 | 11 | 70.7 | 69 | 36 | 10 | 33 | 65 | 4.79 |
| Austin Adams | R | 31 | 2 | 2 | 3.53 | 35 | 0 | 35.7 | 28 | 14 | 4 | 21 | 49 | 3.99 |
| Jacob Nix | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.53 | 10 | 10 | 45.7 | 49 | 23 | 7 | 14 | 38 | 4.56 |
| MacKenzie Gore | L | 23 | 3 | 3 | 4.76 | 14 | 14 | 58.7 | 58 | 31 | 8 | 28 | 54 | 4.70 |
| Alex Powers | R | 30 | 2 | 2 | 4.02 | 36 | 2 | 47.0 | 42 | 21 | 7 | 20 | 53 | 4.27 |
| Evan Miller | R | 27 | 4 | 4 | 4.38 | 42 | 3 | 76.0 | 74 | 37 | 10 | 28 | 71 | 4.29 |
| Luke Westphal | L | 33 | 3 | 3 | 4.72 | 17 | 10 | 47.7 | 45 | 25 | 7 | 25 | 48 | 4.84 |
| Drew Pomeranz | L | 33 | 2 | 2 | 3.92 | 44 | 0 | 39.0 | 32 | 17 | 4 | 21 | 49 | 3.69 |
| James Norwood | R | 28 | 4 | 3 | 4.05 | 50 | 0 | 53.3 | 45 | 24 | 7 | 31 | 68 | 4.19 |
| Parker Markel 마켈 | R | 31 | 2 | 2 | 4.11 | 42 | 0 | 57.0 | 46 | 26 | 6 | 39 | 80 | 3.95 |
| Ryan Weathers | L | 22 | 5 | 6 | 5.06 | 30 | 20 | 99.7 | 107 | 56 | 16 | 36 | 73 | 4.98 |
| Keone Kela | R | 29 | 2 | 2 | 3.86 | 28 | 0 | 25.7 | 21 | 11 | 4 | 9 | 34 | 3.61 |
| Reiss Knehr | R | 25 | 5 | 7 | 5.13 | 30 | 20 | 93.0 | 95 | 53 | 14 | 47 | 76 | 5.21 |
| Michel Baez | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.19 | 34 | 0 | 43.0 | 39 | 20 | 5 | 24 | 44 | 4.53 |
| Emilio Pagán | R | 31 | 3 | 3 | 4.28 | 63 | 0 | 61.0 | 53 | 29 | 12 | 20 | 73 | 4.43 |
| Jordan Brink | R | 29 | 2 | 2 | 4.41 | 30 | 1 | 49.0 | 48 | 24 | 6 | 22 | 43 | 4.55 |
| Adrian Morejon | L | 23 | 1 | 1 | 3.72 | 15 | 0 | 9.7 | 8 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 12 | 3.28 |
| Brett Kennedy | R | 27 | 4 | 5 | 5.20 | 16 | 14 | 64.0 | 69 | 37 | 10 | 28 | 49 | 5.13 |
| Javy Guerra | R | 26 | 1 | 1 | 4.36 | 55 | 0 | 53.7 | 51 | 26 | 7 | 20 | 48 | 4.26 |
| Reggie Lawson | R | 24 | 1 | 1 | 5.11 | 5 | 5 | 12.3 | 12 | 7 | 2 | 7 | 11 | 5.21 |
| Heath Fillmyer | R | 28 | 5 | 6 | 5.24 | 24 | 17 | 87.7 | 90 | 51 | 15 | 41 | 73 | 5.28 |
| Aaron Leasher | L | 26 | 5 | 7 | 5.27 | 19 | 16 | 82.0 | 86 | 48 | 13 | 40 | 65 | 5.30 |
| Ross Detwiler | L | 36 | 3 | 3 | 5.01 | 38 | 9 | 64.7 | 66 | 36 | 12 | 24 | 57 | 5.17 |
| Dan Altavilla | R | 29 | 3 | 3 | 4.50 | 33 | 0 | 30.0 | 24 | 15 | 5 | 19 | 39 | 4.75 |
| Miguel Diaz | R | 27 | 4 | 4 | 4.95 | 36 | 6 | 60.0 | 56 | 33 | 10 | 32 | 62 | 4.98 |
| Luis García | R | 35 | 2 | 2 | 4.70 | 50 | 1 | 46.0 | 42 | 24 | 7 | 22 | 49 | 4.66 |
| Jose Quezada | R | 26 | 2 | 2 | 4.61 | 47 | 0 | 52.7 | 51 | 27 | 7 | 27 | 51 | 4.68 |
| Brandon Komar | R | 23 | 4 | 5 | 5.06 | 30 | 5 | 74.7 | 78 | 42 | 10 | 38 | 59 | 5.07 |
| Ray Kerr | L | 27 | 4 | 6 | 5.28 | 32 | 12 | 76.7 | 79 | 45 | 11 | 45 | 66 | 5.28 |
| James Reeves | L | 29 | 2 | 2 | 4.67 | 37 | 0 | 52.0 | 46 | 27 | 7 | 33 | 58 | 4.78 |
| Sam McWilliams | R | 26 | 5 | 7 | 5.25 | 31 | 10 | 85.7 | 89 | 50 | 13 | 44 | 71 | 5.18 |
| Chase Johnson | R | 30 | 2 | 3 | 5.22 | 25 | 4 | 50.0 | 52 | 29 | 6 | 31 | 36 | 5.34 |
| Henry Henry | R | 23 | 2 | 2 | 4.68 | 40 | 0 | 67.3 | 70 | 35 | 8 | 30 | 48 | 4.77 |
| Osvaldo Hernandez | L | 24 | 5 | 7 | 5.53 | 22 | 21 | 96.0 | 113 | 59 | 19 | 30 | 61 | 5.58 |
| Daniel Camarena | L | 29 | 5 | 8 | 5.50 | 24 | 18 | 93.3 | 104 | 57 | 18 | 33 | 71 | 5.36 |
| Joe Beimel | L | 45 | 1 | 2 | 5.34 | 29 | 1 | 28.7 | 31 | 17 | 5 | 11 | 20 | 5.41 |
| Mason Fox | R | 25 | 2 | 3 | 5.21 | 26 | 1 | 38.0 | 36 | 22 | 6 | 25 | 38 | 5.36 |
| Aaron Northcraft | R | 32 | 1 | 2 | 5.62 | 21 | 0 | 24.0 | 25 | 15 | 4 | 14 | 18 | 5.72 |
| Grant Gavin | R | 26 | 4 | 4 | 4.97 | 47 | 0 | 67.0 | 62 | 37 | 12 | 35 | 74 | 5.05 |
| Lake Bachar | R | 27 | 5 | 7 | 5.71 | 24 | 19 | 112.0 | 117 | 71 | 20 | 69 | 97 | 5.78 |
| Jerry Keel | L | 28 | 5 | 8 | 5.81 | 25 | 19 | 110.0 | 126 | 71 | 22 | 45 | 77 | 5.77 |
| Kyle McGrath | L | 29 | 2 | 4 | 6.19 | 28 | 5 | 48.0 | 56 | 33 | 11 | 20 | 31 | 6.24 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Joe Musgrove | 10.0 | 2.4 | 1.2 | 6.5% | 26.8% | .285 | 118 | 85 | 3.5 | Javier Vazquez |
| Mike Clevinger | 9.9 | 3.0 | 1.1 | 8.0% | 26.6% | .276 | 121 | 83 | 2.4 | Alex Fernandez |
| Yu Darvish | 10.2 | 2.7 | 1.3 | 7.3% | 27.1% | .285 | 107 | 93 | 2.4 | Mike Krukow |
| Blake Snell | 11.4 | 4.0 | 1.2 | 10.7% | 30.3% | .283 | 113 | 88 | 2.3 | Sam McDowell |
| Nick Martínez | 8.9 | 3.1 | 0.9 | 8.1% | 23.5% | .292 | 110 | 91 | 2.1 | Rick Rhoden |
| Chris Paddack | 9.0 | 2.0 | 1.5 | 5.4% | 24.1% | .286 | 103 | 97 | 1.8 | Steve Woodard |
| Adrian Martinez | 7.3 | 3.3 | 1.0 | 8.4% | 18.7% | .296 | 97 | 103 | 1.3 | Bill Long |
| Dinelson Lamet | 11.1 | 3.9 | 1.2 | 10.2% | 28.8% | .295 | 109 | 91 | 1.0 | Steve Farr |
| Jesse Scholtens | 8.1 | 3.2 | 1.3 | 8.1% | 20.7% | .298 | 93 | 108 | 1.0 | Mike Birkbeck |
| Craig Stammen | 8.2 | 1.9 | 0.9 | 5.0% | 22.1% | .293 | 120 | 83 | 1.0 | Todd Jones |
| Matt Strahm | 8.6 | 2.0 | 1.2 | 5.3% | 22.9% | .295 | 108 | 92 | 0.9 | Gil Heredia |
| Robert Suarez | 9.4 | 2.8 | 1.0 | 7.5% | 25.2% | .292 | 119 | 84 | 0.7 | Donnie Moore |
| Tim Hill | 8.9 | 3.0 | 1.0 | 7.9% | 23.4% | .288 | 118 | 85 | 0.7 | Gary Lucas |
| Jake Arrieta | 7.0 | 3.7 | 1.3 | 9.3% | 17.4% | .301 | 87 | 115 | 0.6 | Steve Parris |
| Vince Velasquez | 10.1 | 4.0 | 1.6 | 10.1% | 25.7% | .295 | 87 | 115 | 0.6 | Joel Bennett |
| Nabil Crismatt | 8.6 | 2.9 | 1.5 | 7.4% | 22.3% | .294 | 94 | 106 | 0.6 | Kris Wilson 윌슨 |
| Matt Waldron | 6.7 | 3.4 | 1.3 | 8.6% | 16.7% | .297 | 87 | 115 | 0.5 | Joe Housey |
| Tom Cosgrove | 7.9 | 3.9 | 1.0 | 9.7% | 19.9% | .299 | 95 | 105 | 0.5 | Lenny DiNardo |
| Pierce Johnson | 11.4 | 3.9 | 1.1 | 10.3% | 30.0% | .290 | 111 | 90 | 0.5 | Jason Frasor |
| Ethan Elliott | 7.5 | 2.7 | 1.6 | 6.9% | 19.3% | .293 | 89 | 112 | 0.5 | Derek Lilliquist |
| Steven Wilson | 11.9 | 4.0 | 1.2 | 10.5% | 31.4% | .291 | 116 | 86 | 0.5 | Rich Garces |
| Moises Lugo | 7.7 | 4.0 | 1.4 | 9.9% | 19.1% | .296 | 86 | 116 | 0.4 | Clemente Nunez |
| Pedro Avila | 8.3 | 4.2 | 1.3 | 10.5% | 20.7% | .294 | 91 | 110 | 0.4 | Blaine Boyer |
| Austin Adams | 12.4 | 5.3 | 1.0 | 13.3% | 31.0% | .300 | 118 | 85 | 0.4 | Jim Kern |
| Jacob Nix | 7.5 | 2.8 | 1.4 | 7.0% | 19.1% | .304 | 92 | 109 | 0.4 | Shawn Hill |
| MacKenzie Gore | 8.3 | 4.3 | 1.2 | 10.7% | 20.7% | .298 | 87 | 114 | 0.4 | Chris Pollack |
| Alex Powers | 10.1 | 3.8 | 1.3 | 9.9% | 26.2% | .292 | 103 | 97 | 0.4 | John Johnstone |
| Evan Miller | 8.4 | 3.3 | 1.2 | 8.5% | 21.6% | .296 | 95 | 105 | 0.3 | Randy Messenger |
| Luke Westphal | 9.1 | 4.7 | 1.3 | 11.7% | 22.5% | .292 | 88 | 114 | 0.3 | Kent Mercker |
| Drew Pomeranz | 11.3 | 4.8 | 0.9 | 12.4% | 29.0% | .298 | 106 | 94 | 0.2 | Rod Scurry |
| James Norwood | 11.5 | 5.2 | 1.2 | 13.2% | 28.9% | .299 | 103 | 97 | 0.2 | Jorge Vasquez |
| Parker Markel | 12.6 | 6.2 | 0.9 | 15.2% | 31.3% | .313 | 101 | 99 | 0.2 | Mark Clear |
| Ryan Weathers | 6.6 | 3.3 | 1.4 | 8.2% | 16.7% | .294 | 82 | 122 | 0.2 | Andrew Lorraine |
| Keone Kela | 11.9 | 3.2 | 1.4 | 8.5% | 32.1% | .288 | 108 | 93 | 0.2 | Kerry Ligtenberg |
| Reiss Knehr | 7.4 | 4.5 | 1.4 | 11.2% | 18.1% | .292 | 81 | 123 | 0.1 | Allen Edwards |
| Michel Baez | 9.2 | 5.0 | 1.0 | 12.5% | 22.9% | .293 | 99 | 101 | 0.1 | Wayne Nix |
| Emilio Pagán | 10.8 | 3.0 | 1.8 | 7.9% | 28.7% | .279 | 97 | 103 | 0.1 | Luis Vizcaino |
| Jordan Brink | 7.9 | 4.0 | 1.1 | 10.2% | 19.9% | .296 | 94 | 106 | 0.1 | Blake Mayo |
| Adrian Morejon | 11.2 | 3.7 | 0.9 | 10.0% | 30.0% | .304 | 112 | 90 | 0.1 | Felix Heredia |
| Brett Kennedy | 6.9 | 3.9 | 1.4 | 9.8% | 17.1% | .299 | 80 | 125 | 0.1 | Bill Swift |
| Javy Guerra | 8.0 | 3.4 | 1.2 | 8.7% | 21.0% | .288 | 95 | 105 | 0.0 | Brent Knackert |
| Reggie Lawson | 8.0 | 5.1 | 1.5 | 12.7% | 20.0% | .286 | 81 | 123 | 0.0 | Darren Holmes |
| Heath Fillmyer | 7.5 | 4.2 | 1.5 | 10.5% | 18.6% | .290 | 79 | 126 | 0.0 | Sean Lowe |
| Aaron Leasher | 7.1 | 4.4 | 1.4 | 10.8% | 17.5% | .294 | 79 | 127 | 0.0 | Trever Miller |
| Ross Detwiler | 7.9 | 3.3 | 1.7 | 8.5% | 20.1% | .290 | 83 | 121 | 0.0 | Travis Driskill |
| Dan Altavilla | 11.7 | 5.7 | 1.5 | 14.4% | 29.5% | .279 | 92 | 108 | 0.0 | Dwayne Henry |
| Miguel Diaz | 9.3 | 4.8 | 1.5 | 12.0% | 23.3% | .288 | 84 | 119 | 0.0 | Doug Thompson |
| Luis García | 9.6 | 4.3 | 1.4 | 10.9% | 24.3% | .289 | 88 | 113 | -0.1 | Scott Service |
| Jose Quezada | 8.7 | 4.6 | 1.2 | 11.5% | 21.7% | .299 | 90 | 111 | -0.1 | Heathcliff Slocumb |
| Brandon Komar | 7.1 | 4.6 | 1.2 | 11.2% | 17.4% | .300 | 82 | 122 | -0.1 | Jason Szuminski |
| Ray Kerr | 7.7 | 5.3 | 1.3 | 12.7% | 18.7% | .301 | 79 | 127 | -0.2 | Roger Samuels |
| James Reeves | 10.0 | 5.7 | 1.2 | 14.0% | 24.7% | .291 | 89 | 112 | -0.2 | Kevin Tolar |
| Sam McWilliams | 7.5 | 4.6 | 1.4 | 11.3% | 18.3% | .297 | 79 | 126 | -0.2 | Andy Shipman |
| Chase Johnson | 6.5 | 5.6 | 1.1 | 13.4% | 15.5% | .295 | 80 | 126 | -0.2 | Jarod Juelsgaard |
| Henry Henry | 6.4 | 4.0 | 1.1 | 10.0% | 16.0% | .294 | 89 | 113 | -0.2 | Jack Cassel |
| Osvaldo Hernandez | 5.7 | 2.8 | 1.8 | 7.0% | 14.3% | .300 | 75 | 133 | -0.3 | Jeff Urban |
| Daniel Camarena | 6.8 | 3.2 | 1.7 | 8.0% | 17.1% | .299 | 76 | 132 | -0.3 | Jamie Walker |
| Joe Beimel | 6.3 | 3.5 | 1.6 | 8.6% | 15.6% | .289 | 78 | 128 | -0.3 | Boom-Boom Beck |
| Mason Fox | 9.0 | 5.9 | 1.4 | 14.4% | 21.8% | .291 | 80 | 125 | -0.3 | Jeff Smith |
| Aaron Northcraft | 6.8 | 5.3 | 1.5 | 12.7% | 16.4% | .288 | 74 | 135 | -0.3 | Craig McMurtry |
| Grant Gavin | 9.9 | 4.7 | 1.6 | 11.7% | 24.8% | .289 | 84 | 120 | -0.5 | Grant Balfour |
| Lake Bachar | 7.8 | 5.5 | 1.6 | 13.3% | 18.7% | .296 | 73 | 137 | -0.6 | Cory Morris |
| Jerry Keel | 6.3 | 3.7 | 1.8 | 9.0% | 15.5% | .299 | 72 | 140 | -0.7 | Sam McConnell |
| Kyle McGrath | 5.8 | 3.8 | 2.1 | 9.2% | 14.2% | .292 | 67 | 149 | -0.7 | Corey Hamman |
Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2022 due to injury, and players who were released in 2021. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a big band orchestra that only plays nu-metal versions of baroque cantatas, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.36, similar to the post-June substance-enforcement environment.
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2022.
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Dan, I have a question about how Zips calculates ERA. I would expect that for the most part an entire staff should have a fairly similar difference between ERA and FIP, but this is not the case. Does Zips consider quality of specific fielders at various positions relative to the expected GB/FB ratio of each individual pitcher?
ZiPS tracks expected ERA relative to FIP aside from relievers and the pitcher’s career history. So ZiPS will allow Tom Glavine in 2000 to “keep” more of his ERA-relative-to-expectation than it would in 1990.
Aside from relievers? Should be above defense.
Seeing Tatis’ #1 comp has me excited to see Soto’s.
It has to be Ted Williams, right?
it was last year, i’m hoping zips spices things and gives us a bonds this year. zips doesn’t use active players right? Cause i think it’d be trout if so
I doubt it’ll be Bonds, just based on his stats in his first couple of seasons. Not as exciting as Williams or Bonds but I’ll throw out Stan Musial and Mel Ott as a couple of potentials.
youre right. i’m changing my answer to frank robinson
I’m hoping for Babe Ruth at some point in the future. Obviously not at 22
I’m not really in on the Soto / Williams comps because I don’t think we’ll ever see another Ted Williams. But Soto ran a 199 wRC+ in the second half of 2021. If you think that is his true talent level rather than his 163 for the year then yeah, Williams and Stan Musial are the only ones who makes even a little bit of sense. If pressed, I think Musial would be my comp; he was in the 170-190 range for wRC+ at that age.
If you think his true talent is more like his overall year’s 163 wRC+ then I think Hank Aaron works. Imperfect comps include Reggie Jackson (struck out too much to be a close comp), Mel Ott (something like half a foot shorter than Soto), and Pujols (played first base).
Yeah the more I look at it the more I think Musial is the best. Hank Aaron is another good one, I like that.
also what he ran in 2020. i don’t know what would lead you to think that its not possible for someone to be that good. its this weird over-admiration of history. OR, its an acknowledgement that the rest of the mlb at the time was simply not very good. theres just no reason to think that somebody wouldn’t be capable of being as a good as williams.
if anything, bonds was better.
Bonds ran wRC+’s of 146 and 121 in his age 23 and 24 season. Williams was at 221 and 209. Williams also ran a higher wRC+ for his total career than Bonds (188 to 173). And that’s before we consider that Williams had his career twice interrupted by military service. And that’s also before we consider that Bonds cheated, and as such his greatness in the 21st century is highly debatable.
Don’t start on with “if Ted Williams was dropped into MLB in 2000 he couldn’t hit those fastballs” either. If Ted Williams had the benefit of modern training and nutrition he would have crushed modern pitching just fine. You can’t imagine a player in a new context without him fully being in the new context.
Normally, I’m pretty skeptical of players who put up big numbers before integration but since he shredded the league in 1957 (at age 38!) I’d have to say that’s probably not an issue here.
So, no, Bonds was not better. And while it is possible that Soto will dominate like Williams did, it is pretty unlikely we are going to see someone like Ted Williams again. There’s plenty of room for Soto to have a Hall of Fame trajectory and still not be Ted Williams.
but theres also room for him to be as good as ted williams! and its fun to root for it.
bonds was 141 wrc+ in a league that had an absurdly higher baseline. and sotos era of 100 wrc+ is even higher than that.
In the sense that lots of things are possible but rare, yes.
In the sense that it makes sense to slap an age-23 comp on him who put up a wRC+ in excess of 200 in his age-23 season…probably not.
Also, I’ll refer you back to the whole thing with “if Ted Williams was dropped into MLB in 2000 he couldn’t hit those fastballs”. It doesn’t make any sense to talk about baselines because there’s a baseline level of training too. And you’d have to adjust for the military breaks on top of that.
brother trombone, the baselines do make sense to talk about. if a couple, perhaps just one consistently 175 wrc+ hitters were added to ted williams time it would have dragged him down. it IS remarkable how much better he was than his peers back then. I will accept that ted williams was the greatest player relative to his contemporaneous peers (like wilt chamberlin). if thats the metric youre using.
But… its not about fastball speed or any of that. the fact is that exponentially more people play the game now. given the influx of talent from abroad, the increase in global population, and perhaps the absolute peak of training and competition, i refuse to accept that anyone as talented as ted will ever play again, or that his genes were just better baseball genes than our boys today. in fact, i imagine several people have been as talented as him, and that many (!) of them may be playing now. as i’ve pointed out here before, mickey mantle spent his first offseason working in a mine with his father. that is an entirely different game than is played now. there are more people taking it way, way, WAY more seriously. this isn’t the fault of ted, and shouldn’t discredit him in the slightest.
Its all to say this: if the existence of a tatis, a trout, a harper, an acuna, pulls down the relative success of soto, it doesn’t make him less exceptional. you don’t need to fully reach 200 wrc+ to have the benchmark. it would be so cool if soto did that and sustained it, but if he (like trout) sustains consistent 170+ seasons in an era where many more people are dragging “exceptional” talent back to the stratosphere (under 200), it doesn’t mean that they aren’t as good as ted williams.
Another thing diluting the talent pool was the fact that there were so many PA’s given to bad hitters. In 1957, 23% of hitters with at least 300 PA had a wRC+ less than 80. In 2021, it was just 13%. Teams are smart enough now to not give 548 PA’s to a guy named Granny Hammer.
In fairness, I’d give 548 PAs to a guy named Granny Hammer just because why not?
i’d thumb this up twice if they let me!
thinking of this too: theres a huge limitation to looking at league average stats. of course everything should be taken in context, but rather than seeing 200+ wrc+’s and exclusively thinking about the hitter, you should be considering the pitching just as much. so is the general assessment that williams is untouchable because he was so much better than his peers? If thats your line of thinking, i just fundamentally disagree with it, and thats fine. I think williams is like a time machine player that would have been exceptional even today. do i think hes out of the reach of someone like soto? a god with powers that will never reached again? absolutely not.
I think we’re over-complicating the comps thing haha. It’s mostly just for fun. Ted Williams was amazing, Barry Bonds was amazing, and Juan Soto is amazing. Each played in a different time period with its own unique characteristics that make them hard to compare.
oh i know, but half the fun is having the greatest of all time convos. And i just think its silly to just write off that it will ever be possible to be as great as someone was. its just like how people just show entirely too much love to the founders of the US. as if no one could ever be as smart. give me a break
how is it that a team can simultaneously seem incredibly deep and alarmingly precarious? The extent of that collapse really rocked my faith in this team, but im trying to fight the recency bias and re-imagine how it will all come together.
kinda hot take: if the DH comes, should tatis not spend a pretty healthy amount of time there? both to keep him healthy, and possibly cover up his recent sloppy d? say, 25% of the time
I am a Padres fan. It really seems to me that keeping Tatis in the OF and starting Kim at SS would solve a lot of problems. Kim is better at SS defense. And Tatis would be healthier in the OF. SD doesn’t have to completely rely on Kim at SS. They can have Cronenworth, Kim, and Profar making starts in the middle infield, with Cronenworth getting the bulk of the time.
Me again!
Why not do this? Tatis prefers shortstop and an unhappy Tatis might be bad for the club. He is still only 23, so it is entirely possible that he might improve defensively and also perhaps learn how to better avoid injury. Still, Tatis in the OF and Kim at SS seems to solve a lot of problems.
Another suffering fan. If Tatis embraced it, I would love it. So much of Kim’s value is his bad ass glove and SS is the premium IF glove spot. Even with Hosmer lurking around, that IF defense would be scary: Machado, Kim, Cronenworth and could hit pretty well too. And suddenly one of the corner OF positions can hit, sending Myers back to LF.
Wil Myers wasn’t a bad hitter last year. His defense is just weirdly bad now. I am unsure if Kim can hit. But his defense is so good, he deserves an opportunity at SS.
No to any plan that counts on Profar, he’s just bad.
Profar was good in 2020. He is on the team, so he must be included in the plan. This might be a good infield plan with Tatis in the outfield.
1b: Hosmer 140, Myers 22
2b: Cronenworth 90, Profar 72
SS: Kim 100, Cronenworth 62
3b: Machado 152, Kim 10
Yeah, people get hurt, traded, and there will probably be other players to consider. Myers also plays in the outfield of course.
Profar was good for 6 weeks in 2020, and crap the rest of his career. And just because he’s on the team now doesn’t mean he will be for 2022. Because, you know, trades.
Is Tatis really projected by ZiPS to have a .637 slugging percentage? Is that the highest in the history of ZiPS?
It is not. Higher than .637:
Bonds 2004-2006
Pujols 2004-2007, 2010
Stanton 2018.
It is, however, the highest SLG projected by a middle infielder. Previous was 2004 A-Rod at .588.
Thanks! I forgot ZiPS went back to the Bonds era, when I used to see it on Primer.
Bonds had a .321/.541/.690 projection in 2005!
Did ZiPS automatically add the asterisk for Bonds, or do we have to do that manually?
Now I wanna know who his comps were.
I doubt there were very many comps since Bonds was such a unicorn. Ruth or Aaron were really the only ones who come close.
It’s been a while, and Im slower than I was then, but I recall it being Ruth.
Josh Gibson
I think I’d take the under on 7.9 WAR for Tatis. That’s a big number, and I just don’t trust his health.
Only in 553 PA so it would be higher in a full season if there’s an upside health surprise.
Last year he put up 6.1 wins in 546 PAs, running a 156 wRC+. So ZiPs projects another gear for him (7.6 over 553 PAs). Generally speaking, we should be skeptical anytime a projection system projects someone that good to actually get better. I don’t doubt that he’s capable of a 7.6 win season at some point, but on average it seems unlikely he’ll do that.
Tatis did that while playing a good portion of the year on a bum shoulder. I think the 7.9 war year is very much in play but there are obviously reasons to be worried about the health
Its just an age curve thing. Same reason Soto is likely to get projected to an even higher gear despite a 6.6 win season.
> but on average it seems unlikely he’ll do that.
I think you are underestimating how good AND young Tatis Jr. has been.
Tatis has the 6th highest WAR/600 until 22 y.o. season at 6.5.
(only Joe Jackson, Mike Trout, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Rogers Hornsby are ahead of him)
Players right behind Tatis Jr. are Eddie Collins, Jimmie Foxx, Joe DiMaggio, Ty Cobb, and Eddie Mathews.
Needless to say, they all had multiple seasons surpassing 7.6 WAR.
There are 13 total players with WAR/600 until 22 y.o. in [5.5, 7.5] range.
Their 23 y.o. season WAR is from 4.7 (A-Rod) to 10.3 (Ty Cobb)
and their average is 7.7.
7 out of 13 players exceeded 7.6 WAR projection for Tatis Jr.
Conclusion: If you are an MVP contender as a 20-22 year old, chances are, you will become even better sooner rather than later.
Yes, that’s why it keeps happening. And I keep questioning it. Some guys really just are fully formed at a young age. I think for whatever reason, guys who hit the majors that young are way more skilled than we’re used to.
Businessmen they drank his wine, plowmen dug his earth
none of them along the line knew Jake Cronenworth
It’s usually easier to acquire talent on the right end of the spectrum; the Padres ought to be busy whenever the lockout ends.
I am confused as to why cj abrams shows up as cj hinojosa
I’m not following. The Padres signed Hinojosa to a minor-league deal a few weeks ago.
It looks like 1B can be fixed just by substituting Lee for Hosmer (either SS or 2B), C can improve by using Campusano instead of Alfaro and limiting Caratini to Darvish starts. Myers needs a platoon partner like Joc Pederson and LF can be a black hole until midseason. The pitching just needs health. This isn’t a superteam anymore but it should be a playoff favorite if they Antholopoulize it.
Who is Lee?
I don’t know why I called Kim “Lee”. I suppose I could have said something like Leron Lee or Manny Lee.
I also wonder who Lee is but the team should definitely be in the market for Rosario / Soler types. Pham returning is a possibility too. Get enough of them and you can move Myers back to first.
“ZiPS having anxiety about Mike Trout’s injury record in recent seasons”
It’s not unfounded, of course. I’m really worried about a Griffey situation except without the counting stats (aside from WAR).
Think anyone will take Hosmer’s contract if they threw in Mackenzie Gore? No? Anyone? What about Jurickson Profar + Gore?
It’s kind of a shame that Ha-Seong Kim plays for the Padres, because I’d like to see what sort of hitting he could do if he was parked as an everyday shortstop somewhere. He’d probably be a 2-win guy if he can get to an 85 wRC+, and he’s projected for an 91 OPS+ here so that seems entirely possible. He’d be perfect for a team like the Cubs, where if he fails it wouldn’t be that big a deal but if he succeeds they’d have a guy at shortstop. (Although that would mean Hoerner is the super-utility guy)
I’m the camp he should be the shortstop for the Padres. Tatis’ throwing error problem is pretty gnarly
I’d rather cut Hosmer than trade Gore if those were the only two options. But if the Cubs sent Heyward and a lesser but more certain prospect than Gore, now we’re talking. Profar, just pay down whatever is necessary of $14mm left and move him.
They’re both pretty close to useless, so why not see if a change of scenery works? I think Hosmer is owed about $15M extra. But the problem is that Heyward’s luxury tax number actually quite a bit higher than Hosmer’s, so that would actually put them in a situation where it would be harder to upgrade elsewhere.
Over the last 3 years Heyward has been worth 3.9 WAR, Hosmer 0.6 WAR. Heyward can at least still field.
Heyward’s contract is for 2 more years at a $23mm AAV, Hosmer’s 4 more years at $18mm AAV. That extra $5mm for just 2 years to dump Hosmer is worth it.
Then you can move Myers to LF or 1B for one season.
The 2.3 zWAR for Snell as predicted by ZiPS makes more sense to me than the 3.2 (?)WAR projection by Steamer. By fWAR, Snell has produced only one season above 3 .
This leads to some questions, Mr. Szymborski. When was the last time you did a comprehensive study comparing the the Steamer projections to ZiPS (vs. actual outcome, of course.) ? From that study, which projection tends to be more optimistic and by how much? Are both more likely to be optimistic or pessimistic? Finally, is it even reasonable to compare the WAR values by Steamer to zWAR to fWAR?
Snell finished last year very strong after dropping his terrible changeup
Never heard of Mule Haas before, but damn if Hosmer doesn’t look like he could be named Mule Haas.
Acts like a mule too!
Color me disappointed that Mule and Moose Haas aren’t related…
But are any of them related to the Avocado?
TIL Jorge Alfaro is an OF now!
The obvious problem is that the Padres just have too many horrible position players on bad contracts. They need to just rip off the band-aid and eat the contracts, sunk costs are sunk costs. They should be able to scrape up depth pieces that are better than those options for very little money, say 10 million total to replace Hosmer, Profar and Myers, although Myers might be worth keeping as a DH/Corner OF backup. It would be better to just pay those guys to sit at home and devote their roster spots to players with some real value who are cheap, see Tampa Bay for instructions.
Honestly if there was ever a time for addition by subtraction… It’s with this team and Eric Hosmer.