2022 ZiPS Projections: Seattle Mariners
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Seattle Mariners.
Batters
This is one case where just taking a glance at the depth chart graphic could lend the wrong impression. In the below graphic, two of the four most valuable ZiPS-projected hitters have their contributions split among multiple positions, with lesser players bringing down their overall numbers, and a third isn’t even on the depth chart. What’s more, the Mariners have reasonably good depth, especially offensively, and while the ceiling on most of the lineup isn’t exceptionally high, I do think they have a pretty high floor. I also don’t believe that Evan White has anywhere near enough remaining rope to get 300 plate appearances in 2022 if he matches his projection below.
Suffice it to say, ZiPS is convinced by Julio Rodríguez now. His 2019 performance for West Virginia in the Sally League was tremendous given his age at the time (18), but the low minors are still the low minors. 2020 cost him a year of development, but now that he has hit farther up the ladder, while still being young for the levels he traversed in 2021, there aren’t any statistical reasons to quibble. ZiPS doesn’t project three-win seasons from players this young on a whim. The complete list of hitters age 22-and-under who have projected for 3 WAR since I started making WAR part of the standard projections is below; note that the 2020 projections are pro-rated for the shortened season:
| Year | Player | Projected WAR | Actual |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2014 | Mike Trout | 9.5 | 8.3 |
| 2017 | Carlos Correa | 6.5 | 5.1 |
| 2021 | Juan Soto | 6.3 | 6.6 |
| 2021 | Fernando Tatis Jr. | 5.4 | 6.1 |
| 2019 | Juan Soto | 5.1 | 4.9 |
| 2016 | Carlos Correa | 4.9 | 5.2 |
| 2014 | Bryce Harper | 4.9 | 1.6 |
| 2014 | Manny Machado | 4.5 | 2.3 |
| 2018 | Cody Bellinger | 4.4 | 3.6 |
| 2019 | Ozzie Albies | 4.3 | 4.5 |
| 2015 | Manny Machado | 4.2 | 6.6 |
| 2019 | Ronald Acuña Jr. | 4.0 | 5.5 |
| 2016 | Corey Seager | 3.9 | 6.9 |
| 2016 | Francisco Lindor | 3.8 | 5.5 |
| 2015 | Bryce Harper | 3.5 | 9.3 |
| 2018 | Ozzie Albies | 3.3 | 3.7 |
| 2014 | Gregory Polanco | 3.2 | 0.5 |
| 2015 | Mookie Betts | 3.1 | 4.8 |
| 2019 | Kyle Tucker | 3.1 | 0.5 |
| 2020 | Juan Soto | 2.2 | 2.5 |
| 2020 | Ronald Acuña Jr. | 1.9 | 2.4 |
| 2020 | Bo Bichette | 1.3 | 0.8 |
| 2020 | Fernando Tatis Jr. | 1.2 | 2.9 |
| 2020 | Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 1.2 | 0.2 |
ZiPS actually under-projected this group by about 0.2 WAR per year. There’s only one player you can really call a bust, Gregory Polanco, but even he was an average player for several years, which isn’t exactly Brien Taylor territory. Most of these players are now fabulously wealthy men netting lots and lots of wins for their respective clubs. Rodríguez may join them soon.
Seattle’s lineup is generally solid but unexciting, which is one reason I hope Rodríguez pushes his way to the majors quickly, as few of the players on the team have anywhere near his dizzying upside. (I should also note that I’m more optimistic about Jarred Kelenic than the computer is.) The Mariners are in a tricky position here because while the solid nature of their group of hitters is a welcome feature, a team with two-win players everywhere is also a tricky one to upgrade in the short-term. I’d love to see Seattle sign Freddie Freeman, moving Ty France to an outfield corner (with positional flexibility) and Mitch Haniger to DH, or bring in Kris Bryant to take over third base, even with Abraham Toro on the roster. But I suspect that if they’re planning something that big it’s more likely to be targeted at pitching. Speaking of which…
Pitchers
Robbie Ray was an excellent pickup, giving the team the kind of legitimate ace they’ve been sorely lacking since the decline of King Félix. If the projections are to be believed, Seattle also has good choices with which to populate the middle and back parts of the rotation, with some perfectly reasonable options should injuries strike next year. George Kirby, Brandon Williamson, and Matt Brash all look like they can contribute imminently, and it’s not just the computer that likes them; my colleagues Eric Longenhagen and Kevin Goldstein ranked Kirby as baseball’s No. 41 prospect in their September Top 100 prospect update, with the other two players I mentioned in the team’s top 10. Emerson Hancock ranking lower in the projections isn’t an expression of the algorithm’s dislike, but simply a reflection of the fact that he only has 44 2/3 professional innings under his belt.
What the Mariners still need if they expect to be a contender — and I really think they can be — is someone to pair with Ray at the top of the rotation. Now, several options have already come off the board, but it’s hard to not see a use for Carlos Rodón, Clayton Kershaw, or Zack Greinke in this rotation.
The bullpen could also still use a bit of extra sizzle. Our Depth Charts are currently driven by Steamer, but ZiPS is in broad agreement with the idea that Seattle’s bullpen is below-average at the moment. Like the rotation prior to the signing of Ray, there’s the middle and back of a good ‘pen here, but the Mariners are still missing the top two guys. Some of the best options are already unavailable, but if I was in charge in Seattle, I’d be burning up the phones trying to work something out with Andrew Chafin, Collin McHugh, or Ryan Tepera (among others), at least when they’re allowed to do so again.
So where are the Mariners now? Probably in the 80-85 win range, but it’s a solid 80-85 wins. Hopefully when baseball resumes, Seattle makes a big push to find even more out there.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Julio Rodríguez | R | 21 | RF | 411 | 376 | 56 | 106 | 19 | 1 | 16 | 51 | 29 | 96 | 15 | 4 |
| Ty France | R | 27 | 1B | 640 | 567 | 84 | 160 | 31 | 2 | 21 | 83 | 43 | 115 | 1 | 1 |
| J.P. Crawford | L | 27 | SS | 653 | 585 | 80 | 152 | 31 | 3 | 11 | 57 | 56 | 120 | 5 | 5 |
| Mitch Haniger | R | 31 | RF | 612 | 547 | 91 | 136 | 25 | 2 | 31 | 91 | 50 | 152 | 3 | 0 |
| Adam Frazier | L | 30 | 2B | 615 | 559 | 75 | 151 | 27 | 4 | 9 | 45 | 43 | 77 | 7 | 6 |
| Kyle Seager | L | 34 | 3B | 571 | 514 | 63 | 117 | 26 | 1 | 25 | 89 | 48 | 129 | 3 | 1 |
| Donovan Walton | L | 28 | SS | 445 | 395 | 58 | 101 | 18 | 2 | 12 | 50 | 32 | 67 | 2 | 5 |
| Abraham Toro | B | 25 | 2B | 518 | 461 | 65 | 112 | 22 | 2 | 14 | 56 | 43 | 92 | 6 | 4 |
| Jose Marmolejos | L | 29 | 1B | 453 | 405 | 55 | 101 | 19 | 1 | 19 | 63 | 41 | 107 | 0 | 0 |
| Kyle Lewis | R | 26 | CF | 448 | 405 | 49 | 97 | 18 | 0 | 15 | 47 | 40 | 136 | 4 | 1 |
| Luis Torrens | R | 26 | C | 460 | 420 | 47 | 99 | 20 | 2 | 15 | 56 | 34 | 115 | 0 | 1 |
| Jake Fraley | L | 27 | LF | 375 | 324 | 44 | 75 | 15 | 2 | 14 | 51 | 42 | 106 | 13 | 5 |
| Dylan Moore | R | 29 | 2B | 373 | 329 | 43 | 70 | 15 | 2 | 12 | 42 | 34 | 103 | 20 | 7 |
| Jarred Kelenic | L | 22 | CF | 535 | 484 | 65 | 111 | 23 | 3 | 23 | 76 | 44 | 137 | 12 | 6 |
| Jantzen Witte | R | 32 | 3B | 436 | 402 | 51 | 100 | 15 | 0 | 11 | 44 | 26 | 91 | 3 | 3 |
| Tom Murphy | R | 31 | C | 307 | 273 | 32 | 58 | 10 | 1 | 12 | 38 | 30 | 99 | 1 | 1 |
| Kevin Padlo | R | 25 | 3B | 434 | 385 | 46 | 76 | 16 | 1 | 15 | 45 | 39 | 142 | 6 | 2 |
| Cal Raleigh | B | 25 | C | 411 | 381 | 42 | 84 | 22 | 0 | 16 | 52 | 24 | 106 | 3 | 1 |
| Taylor Trammell | L | 24 | CF | 513 | 449 | 63 | 90 | 15 | 2 | 16 | 52 | 50 | 165 | 10 | 6 |
| Alberto Rodriguez | L | 21 | RF | 469 | 430 | 60 | 94 | 18 | 1 | 13 | 52 | 31 | 118 | 8 | 3 |
| Brian O’Keefe | R | 28 | C | 415 | 380 | 44 | 83 | 12 | 0 | 16 | 48 | 32 | 123 | 2 | 1 |
| José Godoy | L | 27 | C | 343 | 314 | 39 | 75 | 13 | 1 | 6 | 30 | 19 | 72 | 1 | 0 |
| Noelvi Marte | R | 20 | SS | 534 | 495 | 63 | 108 | 17 | 1 | 20 | 65 | 36 | 138 | 13 | 3 |
| Luis Liberato | L | 26 | CF | 367 | 333 | 38 | 74 | 12 | 2 | 9 | 32 | 24 | 98 | 3 | 2 |
| Zach DeLoach | L | 23 | RF | 519 | 478 | 60 | 112 | 23 | 2 | 13 | 49 | 36 | 131 | 5 | 3 |
| Dillon Thomas | L | 29 | RF | 427 | 383 | 49 | 83 | 16 | 2 | 10 | 41 | 30 | 143 | 11 | 4 |
| Eric Campbell | R | 35 | 3B | 293 | 260 | 32 | 59 | 12 | 0 | 5 | 27 | 27 | 64 | 3 | 2 |
| Joe Rizzo | L | 24 | 3B | 505 | 469 | 56 | 104 | 19 | 1 | 12 | 49 | 29 | 126 | 2 | 3 |
| Kaden Polcovich | B | 23 | 2B | 445 | 394 | 56 | 74 | 12 | 2 | 11 | 43 | 38 | 121 | 12 | 2 |
| Jordan Cowan | L | 27 | SS | 411 | 374 | 39 | 84 | 13 | 1 | 4 | 23 | 31 | 85 | 12 | 3 |
| Jack Larsen | L | 27 | CF | 484 | 435 | 55 | 90 | 17 | 2 | 14 | 52 | 42 | 156 | 5 | 3 |
| Jake Bauers | L | 26 | 1B | 424 | 373 | 44 | 81 | 16 | 1 | 10 | 38 | 46 | 114 | 8 | 4 |
| Sam Travis | R | 28 | 1B | 364 | 337 | 38 | 80 | 14 | 1 | 10 | 35 | 23 | 103 | 3 | 1 |
| Patrick Frick | R | 25 | SS | 420 | 376 | 57 | 88 | 12 | 0 | 5 | 31 | 33 | 96 | 4 | 2 |
| Alen Hanson | B | 29 | 2B | 208 | 194 | 21 | 42 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 17 | 10 | 46 | 6 | 2 |
| Evan White | R | 26 | 1B | 341 | 316 | 36 | 67 | 11 | 1 | 13 | 42 | 21 | 104 | 2 | 1 |
| Stephen Wrenn | R | 27 | LF | 400 | 362 | 44 | 72 | 14 | 3 | 8 | 33 | 27 | 132 | 17 | 4 |
| Shed Long Jr. | L | 26 | LF | 332 | 301 | 35 | 66 | 13 | 2 | 9 | 33 | 27 | 97 | 5 | 2 |
| Caleb Joseph | R | 36 | C | 220 | 204 | 22 | 41 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 17 | 10 | 65 | 0 | 0 |
| Cade Marlowe | L | 25 | RF | 456 | 418 | 48 | 85 | 13 | 3 | 14 | 51 | 32 | 144 | 12 | 5 |
| Sam Haggerty | B | 28 | LF | 282 | 248 | 32 | 49 | 10 | 2 | 4 | 18 | 28 | 90 | 14 | 3 |
| Jack Reinheimer | R | 29 | SS | 363 | 330 | 40 | 69 | 10 | 1 | 4 | 24 | 24 | 88 | 12 | 3 |
| Jake Scheiner | R | 26 | 1B | 480 | 437 | 52 | 95 | 18 | 2 | 16 | 55 | 30 | 138 | 2 | 4 |
| Dom Thompson-Williams | L | 27 | RF | 352 | 328 | 33 | 61 | 13 | 2 | 10 | 34 | 19 | 137 | 7 | 3 |
| Bobby Honeyman | L | 26 | 1B | 417 | 388 | 44 | 87 | 14 | 1 | 5 | 30 | 22 | 73 | 2 | 2 |
| Cody Grosse | L | 25 | LF | 255 | 227 | 29 | 41 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 13 | 21 | 77 | 6 | 1 |
| Marcus Wilson | R | 25 | LF | 441 | 389 | 49 | 72 | 14 | 2 | 13 | 36 | 44 | 178 | 10 | 3 |
| Tyler Keenan | L | 23 | 3B | 313 | 276 | 30 | 48 | 10 | 0 | 6 | 22 | 21 | 126 | 0 | 1 |
| Zach Vincej | R | 31 | 3B | 396 | 371 | 36 | 80 | 16 | 0 | 7 | 34 | 18 | 74 | 1 | 3 |
| Cesar Izturis Jr. | B | 22 | 2B | 411 | 390 | 45 | 82 | 14 | 0 | 4 | 29 | 15 | 95 | 4 | 3 |
| Dariel Gomez | L | 25 | 1B | 382 | 346 | 38 | 62 | 13 | 1 | 10 | 33 | 30 | 154 | 0 | 1 |
| Connor Hoover | L | 25 | 1B | 411 | 369 | 33 | 62 | 13 | 1 | 11 | 31 | 37 | 135 | 10 | 3 |
| Matt Scheffler | R | 24 | C | 259 | 237 | 30 | 44 | 6 | 0 | 6 | 24 | 17 | 76 | 1 | 1 |
| Jake Anchia | R | 25 | C | 332 | 309 | 30 | 52 | 8 | 0 | 11 | 34 | 15 | 115 | 0 | 0 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Julio Rodríguez | .282 | .341 | .465 | 123 | .184 | .341 | 6.2 | 11 | 3.3 | Austin Kearns |
| Ty France | .282 | .356 | .455 | 125 | .173 | .323 | 6.1 | 0 | 3.2 | Paul Konerko |
| J.P. Crawford | .260 | .329 | .379 | 98 | .120 | .311 | 4.5 | 1 | 2.6 | Leo Cardenas |
| Mitch Haniger | .249 | .319 | .472 | 117 | .223 | .288 | 5.5 | 0 | 2.6 | Geronimo Berroa |
| Adam Frazier | .270 | .332 | .381 | 99 | .111 | .300 | 4.6 | 3 | 2.4 | Jerry Lumpe |
| Kyle Seager | .228 | .298 | .428 | 100 | .200 | .256 | 4.5 | 0 | 1.9 | Ed Sprague |
| Donovan Walton | .256 | .323 | .403 | 102 | .147 | .282 | 4.5 | -1 | 1.7 | Jeff Treadway |
| Abraham Toro | .243 | .320 | .390 | 98 | .148 | .276 | 4.4 | 0 | 1.7 | Luis Alicea |
| Jose Marmolejos | .249 | .319 | .442 | 110 | .193 | .294 | 5.1 | 3 | 1.5 | Larry Sheets |
| Kyle Lewis | .240 | .308 | .395 | 95 | .156 | .323 | 4.4 | 1 | 1.5 | Joe Vitiello |
| Luis Torrens | .236 | .293 | .400 | 92 | .164 | .290 | 4.1 | -1 | 1.4 | Geronimo Gil |
| Jake Fraley | .231 | .326 | .420 | 107 | .188 | .299 | 4.9 | 0 | 1.2 | Stu Pederson |
| Dylan Moore | .213 | .301 | .380 | 89 | .167 | .271 | 4.1 | 1 | 1.1 | Matt Macri |
| Jarred Kelenic | .229 | .297 | .432 | 101 | .202 | .272 | 4.5 | -7 | 1.1 | Paul O’Neill |
| Jantzen Witte | .249 | .297 | .368 | 85 | .119 | .297 | 3.9 | 5 | 1.1 | Rich Rollins |
| Tom Murphy | .212 | .293 | .388 | 89 | .176 | .284 | 3.9 | 0 | 0.9 | Kelly Stinnett |
| Kevin Padlo | .197 | .275 | .361 | 76 | .164 | .268 | 3.4 | 6 | 0.8 | Ken Bonifay |
| Cal Raleigh | .220 | .270 | .404 | 85 | .184 | .263 | 3.8 | -3 | 0.7 | Al Pardo |
| Taylor Trammell | .200 | .287 | .350 | 77 | .149 | .276 | 3.3 | 3 | 0.6 | Dan Cholowsky |
| Alberto Rodriguez | .219 | .274 | .356 | 75 | .137 | .271 | 3.4 | 11 | 0.6 | Chad Mottola |
| Brian O’Keefe | .218 | .282 | .376 | 82 | .158 | .278 | 3.7 | -3 | 0.6 | Jeff Banister |
| José Godoy | .239 | .288 | .344 | 76 | .105 | .292 | 3.6 | 0 | 0.5 | Roger Hansen |
| Noelvi Marte | .218 | .275 | .378 | 80 | .160 | .261 | 3.7 | -6 | 0.4 | Luis Rivera |
| Luis Liberato | .222 | .271 | .351 | 73 | .129 | .288 | 3.3 | 4 | 0.3 | Jason Grove |
| Zach DeLoach | .234 | .295 | .372 | 85 | .138 | .296 | 3.8 | 2 | 0.3 | Otis Green |
| Dillon Thomas | .217 | .293 | .347 | 79 | .131 | .317 | 3.6 | 4 | 0.3 | Mike Neill |
| Eric Campbell | .227 | .305 | .331 | 79 | .104 | .283 | 3.5 | 0 | 0.2 | Jerry Royster |
| Joe Rizzo | .222 | .270 | .343 | 70 | .122 | .278 | 3.1 | 5 | 0.2 | Scott Cooper |
| Kaden Polcovich | .188 | .269 | .312 | 63 | .124 | .240 | 3.0 | 4 | 0.2 | Gary Miller-Jones |
| Jordan Cowan | .225 | .288 | .297 | 65 | .072 | .281 | 3.1 | 0 | 0.1 | Stu Cole |
| Jack Larsen | .207 | .280 | .352 | 76 | .145 | .287 | 3.3 | -2 | 0.0 | Gene Gentile |
| Jake Bauers | .217 | .307 | .346 | 83 | .129 | .285 | 3.7 | 0 | -0.2 | Howard Prager |
| Sam Travis | .237 | .289 | .374 | 84 | .136 | .313 | 3.9 | -1 | -0.2 | Rich Murray |
| Patrick Frick | .234 | .308 | .306 | 73 | .072 | .302 | 3.3 | -7 | -0.2 | Ed Jurak |
| Alen Hanson | .216 | .256 | .330 | 63 | .113 | .264 | 3.0 | 0 | -0.3 | Kevin Davis |
| Evan White | .212 | .264 | .377 | 77 | .165 | .271 | 3.4 | 1 | -0.3 | Tommy Everidge |
| Stephen Wrenn | .199 | .264 | .320 | 63 | .122 | .288 | 3.1 | 4 | -0.4 | Steve Martin |
| Shed Long Jr. | .219 | .285 | .365 | 81 | .146 | .292 | 3.6 | -3 | -0.4 | Jeff Hermann |
| Caleb Joseph | .201 | .247 | .328 | 59 | .127 | .269 | 2.7 | -2 | -0.4 | Mike Macfarlane |
| Cade Marlowe | .203 | .262 | .349 | 69 | .146 | .273 | 3.2 | 4 | -0.4 | Garrick Haltiwanger |
| Sam Haggerty | .198 | .286 | .302 | 65 | .105 | .292 | 3.2 | -1 | -0.5 | Mike Loggins |
| Jack Reinheimer | .209 | .266 | .282 | 54 | .073 | .273 | 2.7 | -1 | -0.6 | Ray Holbert |
| Jake Scheiner | .217 | .275 | .378 | 80 | .160 | .279 | 3.4 | -1 | -0.7 | Julio Vinas |
| Dom Thompson-Williams | .186 | .236 | .329 | 56 | .143 | .282 | 2.6 | 3 | -1.0 | Richie Robnett |
| Bobby Honeyman | .224 | .272 | .304 | 61 | .080 | .265 | 2.8 | 4 | -1.0 | Mike Wolff |
| Cody Grosse | .181 | .253 | .233 | 38 | .053 | .264 | 2.1 | 2 | -1.1 | Freddie Money |
| Marcus Wilson | .185 | .273 | .332 | 68 | .147 | .298 | 3.1 | -4 | -1.1 | Jim Orsag |
| Tyler Keenan | .174 | .238 | .275 | 43 | .101 | .292 | 2.1 | 0 | -1.2 | Matt Whitney |
| Zach Vincej | .216 | .254 | .315 | 58 | .100 | .252 | 2.6 | -4 | -1.3 | Danny Thompson |
| Cesar Izturis Jr. | .210 | .242 | .277 | 45 | .067 | .268 | 2.2 | -1 | -1.6 | John Flannery |
| Dariel Gomez | .179 | .249 | .309 | 55 | .130 | .286 | 2.5 | -1 | -1.6 | Ian Bladergroen |
| Connor Hoover | .168 | .246 | .298 | 52 | .130 | .229 | 2.5 | -3 | -1.9 | Joe Dusan |
| Matt Scheffler | .186 | .248 | .287 | 50 | .101 | .245 | 2.3 | -14 | -1.9 | Alan Probst |
| Jake Anchia | .168 | .215 | .301 | 42 | .133 | .224 | 2.1 | -12 | -2.3 | Jeff Winchester |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Robbie Ray | L | 30 | 10 | 7 | 3.46 | 28 | 28 | 166.7 | 128 | 64 | 27 | 51 | 218 | 3.66 |
| Chris Flexen 플렉센 | R | 27 | 9 | 9 | 4.32 | 31 | 28 | 158.3 | 164 | 76 | 23 | 42 | 121 | 4.43 |
| Yusei Kikuchi | L | 31 | 8 | 8 | 4.29 | 28 | 28 | 149.0 | 144 | 71 | 21 | 51 | 147 | 4.17 |
| Logan Gilbert | R | 25 | 7 | 6 | 4.18 | 26 | 26 | 125.0 | 117 | 58 | 21 | 35 | 131 | 4.25 |
| Marco Gonzales | L | 30 | 9 | 9 | 4.37 | 25 | 25 | 144.0 | 142 | 70 | 22 | 38 | 110 | 4.53 |
| Brandon Williamson | L | 24 | 5 | 5 | 4.16 | 20 | 20 | 97.3 | 90 | 45 | 14 | 37 | 104 | 4.18 |
| Tyler Anderson | L | 32 | 7 | 8 | 4.52 | 27 | 26 | 141.3 | 140 | 71 | 25 | 36 | 126 | 4.50 |
| Diego Castillo | R | 28 | 6 | 4 | 3.23 | 62 | 2 | 61.3 | 48 | 22 | 7 | 21 | 76 | 3.41 |
| Matt Brash | R | 24 | 5 | 6 | 4.49 | 22 | 21 | 104.3 | 98 | 52 | 15 | 46 | 100 | 4.63 |
| George Kirby | R | 24 | 4 | 4 | 4.30 | 14 | 14 | 67.0 | 67 | 32 | 10 | 20 | 58 | 4.42 |
| Ryan Weber | R | 31 | 5 | 6 | 4.66 | 25 | 16 | 102.3 | 110 | 53 | 17 | 21 | 78 | 4.61 |
| Penn Murfee | R | 28 | 5 | 5 | 4.54 | 27 | 15 | 83.3 | 83 | 42 | 12 | 32 | 77 | 4.54 |
| Nick Margevicius | L | 26 | 6 | 7 | 4.71 | 20 | 17 | 91.7 | 97 | 48 | 14 | 26 | 74 | 4.53 |
| Paul Sewald | R | 32 | 6 | 5 | 3.82 | 58 | 1 | 63.7 | 51 | 27 | 10 | 22 | 88 | 3.54 |
| Justus Sheffield | L | 26 | 7 | 9 | 4.84 | 27 | 21 | 109.7 | 114 | 59 | 16 | 54 | 97 | 4.95 |
| Ken Giles | R | 31 | 2 | 1 | 3.49 | 40 | 0 | 38.7 | 31 | 15 | 6 | 12 | 51 | 3.49 |
| Justin Dunn | R | 26 | 4 | 5 | 4.88 | 19 | 19 | 90.3 | 83 | 49 | 16 | 44 | 92 | 5.07 |
| Casey Sadler | R | 31 | 2 | 1 | 3.81 | 44 | 1 | 49.7 | 43 | 21 | 7 | 15 | 48 | 4.17 |
| Logan Verrett 베렛 | R | 32 | 5 | 7 | 4.90 | 16 | 15 | 90.0 | 102 | 49 | 18 | 12 | 61 | 4.96 |
| Devin Sweet | R | 25 | 5 | 6 | 4.79 | 27 | 13 | 88.3 | 93 | 47 | 16 | 28 | 78 | 4.89 |
| Wyatt Mills | R | 27 | 3 | 3 | 3.94 | 37 | 1 | 48.0 | 44 | 21 | 6 | 18 | 50 | 4.03 |
| Darren McCaughan | R | 26 | 5 | 7 | 5.08 | 23 | 23 | 125.7 | 139 | 71 | 25 | 24 | 89 | 5.07 |
| Anthony Misiewicz | L | 27 | 6 | 7 | 4.63 | 52 | 10 | 83.7 | 86 | 43 | 15 | 23 | 80 | 4.57 |
| Matt Andriese | R | 32 | 3 | 3 | 4.12 | 38 | 1 | 59.0 | 56 | 27 | 9 | 19 | 61 | 4.21 |
| Emerson Hancock | R | 23 | 2 | 2 | 4.80 | 14 | 14 | 50.7 | 52 | 27 | 8 | 20 | 42 | 4.94 |
| Joe Smith | R | 38 | 3 | 3 | 3.82 | 43 | 1 | 35.3 | 35 | 15 | 5 | 7 | 30 | 4.09 |
| Yohan Ramirez | R | 27 | 3 | 4 | 4.50 | 37 | 5 | 64.0 | 51 | 32 | 8 | 47 | 80 | 4.74 |
| Robert Dugger | R | 26 | 6 | 8 | 5.06 | 27 | 21 | 112.0 | 117 | 63 | 20 | 40 | 93 | 5.07 |
| Erik Swanson | R | 28 | 3 | 3 | 4.74 | 34 | 9 | 62.7 | 60 | 33 | 12 | 19 | 64 | 4.68 |
| Asher Wojciechowski | R | 33 | 5 | 6 | 5.12 | 20 | 18 | 89.7 | 90 | 51 | 19 | 33 | 89 | 5.25 |
| Ian McKinney | L | 27 | 5 | 7 | 5.13 | 20 | 18 | 94.7 | 94 | 54 | 15 | 49 | 87 | 5.14 |
| Hector Santiago | L | 34 | 2 | 3 | 4.84 | 20 | 7 | 57.7 | 56 | 31 | 11 | 25 | 61 | 5.00 |
| Collin Kober | R | 27 | 3 | 2 | 4.18 | 38 | 0 | 51.7 | 50 | 24 | 6 | 21 | 48 | 4.23 |
| Sean Doolittle | L | 35 | 3 | 3 | 4.18 | 52 | 0 | 47.3 | 44 | 22 | 8 | 15 | 51 | 4.30 |
| Adam Hill | R | 25 | 6 | 8 | 5.20 | 21 | 20 | 98.7 | 106 | 57 | 15 | 47 | 77 | 5.21 |
| Joey Gerber | R | 25 | 2 | 2 | 4.23 | 44 | 0 | 44.7 | 41 | 21 | 6 | 22 | 46 | 4.48 |
| Alejandro Requena | R | 25 | 6 | 8 | 5.17 | 23 | 16 | 92.3 | 102 | 53 | 13 | 39 | 62 | 5.10 |
| Dayeison Arias | R | 25 | 2 | 2 | 4.40 | 34 | 1 | 45.0 | 41 | 22 | 7 | 19 | 50 | 4.38 |
| Drew Steckenrider | R | 31 | 3 | 3 | 4.31 | 56 | 0 | 56.3 | 52 | 27 | 9 | 17 | 51 | 4.51 |
| Andrés Muñoz | R | 23 | 2 | 2 | 4.37 | 24 | 1 | 22.7 | 19 | 11 | 4 | 13 | 31 | 4.59 |
| Reid Morgan | R | 25 | 3 | 4 | 4.64 | 22 | 2 | 42.7 | 45 | 22 | 7 | 13 | 33 | 4.82 |
| Brian Schlitter | R | 36 | 1 | 2 | 4.66 | 38 | 3 | 46.3 | 49 | 24 | 6 | 17 | 30 | 4.80 |
| Fred Villarreal | R | 24 | 2 | 2 | 4.72 | 32 | 3 | 55.3 | 58 | 29 | 7 | 22 | 42 | 4.66 |
| Michael Stryffeler | R | 26 | 4 | 4 | 4.38 | 43 | 0 | 39.0 | 34 | 19 | 5 | 24 | 45 | 4.54 |
| Daniel Zamora | L | 29 | 3 | 3 | 4.53 | 40 | 1 | 47.7 | 45 | 24 | 8 | 21 | 50 | 4.77 |
| Matt Festa | R | 29 | 2 | 3 | 4.60 | 26 | 1 | 31.3 | 31 | 16 | 5 | 13 | 30 | 4.78 |
| Justin Grimm | R | 33 | 2 | 3 | 4.56 | 44 | 1 | 49.3 | 44 | 25 | 8 | 24 | 58 | 4.52 |
| Aaron Fletcher | L | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.50 | 44 | 0 | 58.0 | 60 | 29 | 8 | 20 | 47 | 4.54 |
| Levi Stoudt | R | 24 | 4 | 6 | 5.40 | 16 | 16 | 81.7 | 87 | 49 | 16 | 37 | 69 | 5.54 |
| Moises Gomez | R | 25 | 2 | 3 | 4.68 | 38 | 1 | 50.0 | 48 | 26 | 8 | 23 | 48 | 4.90 |
| Evan Johnson | R | 25 | 2 | 2 | 5.25 | 18 | 5 | 36.0 | 34 | 21 | 5 | 25 | 36 | 5.24 |
| Ben Onyshko | L | 25 | 3 | 3 | 4.72 | 33 | 1 | 55.3 | 54 | 29 | 8 | 26 | 55 | 4.64 |
| David Ellingson | R | 27 | 2 | 2 | 4.59 | 35 | 0 | 51.0 | 55 | 26 | 7 | 17 | 36 | 4.73 |
| Jimmy Yacabonis | R | 30 | 2 | 4 | 5.34 | 34 | 7 | 57.3 | 60 | 34 | 10 | 26 | 48 | 5.34 |
| Darin Gillies | R | 29 | 2 | 3 | 5.21 | 40 | 1 | 48.3 | 49 | 28 | 10 | 21 | 48 | 5.31 |
| Max Roberts | L | 24 | 0 | 1 | 6.15 | 18 | 5 | 33.7 | 36 | 23 | 6 | 23 | 27 | 6.12 |
| Leon Hunter | R | 25 | 3 | 4 | 5.37 | 27 | 1 | 55.3 | 60 | 33 | 10 | 23 | 45 | 5.31 |
| Nick Duron | R | 26 | 2 | 4 | 5.59 | 35 | 0 | 38.7 | 40 | 24 | 7 | 23 | 33 | 5.77 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Robbie Ray | 11.8 | 2.8 | 1.5 | 7.6% | 32.4% | .271 | 121 | 83 | 3.3 | Johan Santana |
| Chris Flexen | 6.9 | 2.4 | 1.3 | 6.2% | 18.0% | .292 | 96 | 104 | 1.7 | Jon Lieber |
| Yusei Kikuchi | 8.9 | 3.1 | 1.3 | 8.0% | 23.1% | .298 | 97 | 103 | 1.6 | Sterling Hitchcock |
| Logan Gilbert | 9.4 | 2.5 | 1.5 | 6.7% | 25.0% | .289 | 100 | 100 | 1.5 | Keith Foulke |
| Marco Gonzales | 6.9 | 2.4 | 1.4 | 6.3% | 18.2% | .278 | 95 | 105 | 1.4 | Brian Anderson |
| Brandon Williamson | 9.6 | 3.4 | 1.3 | 8.9% | 24.9% | .295 | 100 | 100 | 1.2 | Ted Lilly |
| Tyler Anderson | 8.0 | 2.3 | 1.6 | 6.1% | 21.3% | .285 | 92 | 109 | 1.2 | Terry Mulholland |
| Diego Castillo | 11.2 | 3.1 | 1.0 | 8.3% | 30.0% | .283 | 129 | 78 | 1.1 | Cecilio Guante |
| Matt Brash | 8.6 | 4.0 | 1.3 | 10.1% | 21.9% | .287 | 93 | 108 | 0.9 | Gary Wex |
| George Kirby | 7.8 | 2.7 | 1.3 | 7.0% | 20.3% | .292 | 97 | 103 | 0.7 | Mark Knudson |
| Ryan Weber | 6.9 | 1.8 | 1.5 | 4.8% | 17.9% | .296 | 89 | 112 | 0.6 | Don Wengert |
| Penn Murfee | 8.3 | 3.5 | 1.3 | 8.8% | 21.2% | .298 | 92 | 109 | 0.6 | Tim Pugh |
| Nick Margevicius | 7.3 | 2.6 | 1.4 | 6.6% | 18.7% | .300 | 88 | 113 | 0.6 | Brian Shouse |
| Paul Sewald | 12.4 | 3.1 | 1.4 | 8.4% | 33.7% | .293 | 109 | 92 | 0.5 | Xavier Hernandez |
| Justus Sheffield | 8.0 | 4.4 | 1.3 | 10.9% | 19.6% | .304 | 86 | 116 | 0.5 | Bruce Ruffin |
| Ken Giles | 11.9 | 2.8 | 1.4 | 7.6% | 32.5% | .284 | 119 | 84 | 0.4 | Justin Duchscherer |
| Justin Dunn | 9.2 | 4.4 | 1.6 | 11.1% | 23.2% | .279 | 85 | 117 | 0.4 | Allen Edwards |
| Casey Sadler | 8.7 | 2.7 | 1.3 | 7.2% | 23.2% | .269 | 109 | 91 | 0.4 | Bob Howry |
| Logan Verrett | 6.1 | 1.2 | 1.8 | 3.1% | 16.0% | .294 | 85 | 118 | 0.4 | Brian Tollberg |
| Devin Sweet | 7.9 | 2.9 | 1.6 | 7.3% | 20.3% | .298 | 87 | 115 | 0.4 | Luis Andujar |
| Wyatt Mills | 9.4 | 3.4 | 1.1 | 8.7% | 24.3% | .295 | 106 | 95 | 0.3 | Barry Johnson |
| Darren McCaughan | 6.4 | 1.7 | 1.8 | 4.5% | 16.6% | .291 | 82 | 122 | 0.3 | Heath Totten |
| Anthony Misiewicz | 8.6 | 2.5 | 1.6 | 6.4% | 22.3% | .301 | 90 | 111 | 0.3 | Bryan Ward |
| Matt Andriese | 9.3 | 2.9 | 1.4 | 7.6% | 24.3% | .296 | 101 | 99 | 0.3 | Jay Howell |
| Emerson Hancock | 7.5 | 3.6 | 1.4 | 9.0% | 18.8% | .293 | 87 | 115 | 0.3 | Jerome Gamble |
| Joe Smith | 7.6 | 1.8 | 1.3 | 4.8% | 20.4% | .291 | 109 | 92 | 0.3 | Dick Hall |
| Yohan Ramirez | 11.3 | 6.6 | 1.1 | 16.2% | 27.5% | .285 | 93 | 108 | 0.2 | John D’Acquisto |
| Robert Dugger | 7.5 | 3.2 | 1.6 | 8.1% | 18.9% | .292 | 82 | 122 | 0.2 | Ismael Ramirez |
| Erik Swanson | 9.2 | 2.7 | 1.7 | 7.1% | 24.1% | .286 | 88 | 114 | 0.2 | Mike Burns |
| Asher Wojciechowski | 8.9 | 3.3 | 1.9 | 8.4% | 22.7% | .290 | 81 | 123 | 0.2 | Mike Gardiner |
| Ian McKinney | 8.3 | 4.7 | 1.4 | 11.5% | 20.4% | .294 | 81 | 123 | 0.2 | Ray Hayward |
| Hector Santiago | 9.5 | 3.9 | 1.7 | 9.9% | 24.1% | .294 | 86 | 116 | 0.2 | Glendon Rusch |
| Collin Kober | 8.4 | 3.7 | 1.0 | 9.3% | 21.3% | .299 | 100 | 100 | 0.1 | Mark Lee |
| Sean Doolittle | 9.7 | 2.9 | 1.5 | 7.5% | 25.5% | .290 | 100 | 100 | 0.1 | Rheal Cormier |
| Adam Hill | 7.0 | 4.3 | 1.4 | 10.5% | 17.2% | .300 | 80 | 125 | 0.1 | Ken Ray 레이 |
| Joey Gerber | 9.3 | 4.4 | 1.2 | 11.2% | 23.5% | .292 | 98 | 102 | 0.1 | Scott Gentile |
| Alejandro Requena | 6.0 | 3.8 | 1.3 | 9.4% | 14.9% | .300 | 81 | 124 | 0.1 | Bill Swift |
| Dayeison Arias | 10.0 | 3.8 | 1.4 | 9.8% | 25.8% | .293 | 95 | 106 | 0.1 | Barry Jones |
| Drew Steckenrider | 8.1 | 2.7 | 1.4 | 7.2% | 21.5% | .274 | 97 | 104 | 0.1 | Lance Carter |
| Andrés Muñoz | 12.3 | 5.2 | 1.6 | 13.0% | 31.0% | .294 | 95 | 105 | 0.1 | Armando Benitez |
| Reid Morgan | 7.0 | 2.7 | 1.5 | 7.0% | 17.8% | .292 | 90 | 111 | 0.1 | Joe Roa |
| Brian Schlitter | 5.8 | 3.3 | 1.2 | 8.4% | 14.8% | .291 | 89 | 112 | 0.0 | Fred Gladding |
| Fred Villarreal | 6.8 | 3.6 | 1.1 | 9.0% | 17.1% | .298 | 88 | 113 | 0.0 | Rocky Childress |
| Michael Stryffeler | 10.4 | 5.5 | 1.2 | 13.7% | 25.7% | .293 | 95 | 105 | 0.0 | Jim Stoops |
| Daniel Zamora | 9.4 | 4.0 | 1.5 | 10.0% | 23.9% | .291 | 92 | 109 | 0.0 | Wayne Franklin |
| Matthew Festa | 8.6 | 3.7 | 1.4 | 9.4% | 21.7% | .295 | 91 | 110 | 0.0 | Jesus Colome |
| Justin Grimm | 10.6 | 4.4 | 1.5 | 11.2% | 27.0% | .293 | 91 | 110 | 0.0 | Juan Eichelberger |
| Aaron Fletcher | 7.3 | 3.1 | 1.2 | 7.9% | 18.6% | .297 | 93 | 108 | 0.0 | Ryan Meaux |
| Levi Stoudt | 7.6 | 4.1 | 1.8 | 10.1% | 18.8% | .295 | 77 | 130 | -0.1 | Rich DeLucia |
| Moises Gomez | 8.6 | 4.1 | 1.4 | 10.4% | 21.7% | .288 | 89 | 112 | -0.1 | Brandon Kolb |
| Evan Johnson | 9.0 | 6.3 | 1.3 | 15.0% | 21.6% | .293 | 79 | 126 | -0.1 | Tim Meeks |
| Ben Onyshko | 8.9 | 4.2 | 1.3 | 10.6% | 22.4% | .301 | 88 | 113 | -0.1 | Joe Klink |
| David Ellingson | 6.4 | 3.0 | 1.2 | 7.6% | 16.1% | .298 | 91 | 110 | -0.1 | Justin Huisman |
| Jimmy Yacabonis | 7.5 | 4.1 | 1.6 | 10.1% | 18.6% | .294 | 78 | 128 | -0.2 | Mike Villano |
| Darin Gillies | 8.9 | 3.9 | 1.9 | 9.8% | 22.4% | .293 | 80 | 125 | -0.4 | Julio Manon |
| Max Roberts | 7.2 | 6.1 | 1.6 | 14.5% | 17.0% | .297 | 68 | 148 | -0.4 | Jason Norderum |
| Leon Hunter | 7.3 | 3.7 | 1.6 | 9.3% | 18.1% | .299 | 78 | 129 | -0.5 | Jim Brink |
| Nick Duron | 7.7 | 5.4 | 1.6 | 12.9% | 18.5% | .292 | 75 | 134 | -0.5 | Rick Greene |
Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2022 due to injury, and players who were released in 2021. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a big band orchestra that only plays nu-metal versions of baroque cantatas, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.36, similar to the post-June substance-enforcement environment.
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2022.
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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Paul O’Neill a pretty nice comp for Kelenic considering his stats were cratered by rushing him to the majors last year.
I thought Kelenic’s call up was delayed to get an extra year of service time?
I remember someone making that argument but forget exactly who did it. My guess is that whoever made it is very happy that at least some of us have forgotten about it.
That was the claim, and because some imprudent comments were made by Mariners brass, it actually likely caused him to be called up sooner, but the reality is Kelenic was called up with only 21 games of AA experience and 6 games of AAA experience.
Julio Rodriguez, who is also on the fast track, by comparison, already has 46 games of AA experience.
I think it’s not entirely fair to cite the number of official games without the context. The pandemic wiped out what would have been a season of aa/aaa, maybe some mlb ball. There was almost 2 years between him making double a and playing in triple a. But it’s not like he was laying on the couch eating bon bons during that time. He was at the alternate site getting at bats and playing games with other members of the 60 man roster in 2020, which was made up mostly of high level minor leaguers. Even if you don’t credit that exactly the same as playing all those games at triple a, he had a lot going on besides just the 6 games. And of course, there’s a level of subjective scouting of whether a player is ready, and I think the determination was later confirmed by the fact that he absolutely murdered triple a whenever he played there.
Experience makes you ready, not age. accordingly, missing a year should delay a call up
Rushed to the majors? Nah dude, he was crushing Triple A and we were all making fun of Seattle for holding him down to work on his defense.
He had played a total of 6 games at AAA when he was called up.
Ok, but due to the pandemic, those games were more than 1.5 years after he reached double a. And then he went back down and smushed triple a again because he was overqualified for triple a. Whatever his issues with the majors, I don’t see any basis for saying he was rushed.
There are tons of guys who smash Triple A and aren’t ready for the majors. I don’t see why it is that controversial to say that a guy called up with 27 games of upper minors experience was rushed.
I mean, there are outliers like Soto, but typically even top hitting prospects have close to a full year in the upper minors before being called up.
It’s controversial to say he was rushed because the Mariners went on the record saying they intended to manipulate his service time, suggesting that they saw him as MLB-ready and were only keeping him down until the clock turned over. That’s the opposite of a team “rushing” someone they knew to be unready. It’s further corroborated by Kelenic’s own account that they offered to call him up in 2020 if he signed an extension. The Mariners FO clearly, subjectively believed that he was MLB-ready as early as 2020. The fact that he faceplanted when called up just means they were wrong in that belief, not that they didn’t believe it in the first place.
I understand that, and it seems clear that at least some people in the Mariners FO thought he was ready. But on the other hand, it is hard to find many top hitting prospects who are called up with less than 27 games of upper minors experience. Heck, even Bryce Harper (58 games) and Mike Trout (111 games) had a lot more. Soto had less. But he is a major outlier, and Kelenic is not on the uberprospect level with any of those three guys.
He was TERRIBLE, and the whole reason to call him up is if he is going to be good. The Mariners made the correct decision to wait.
Only Kelenic, or his agent would want a few months of a .150 hitter than a full season on Kelenic 5-6 years from now. Such a consistently stupid argument. WHY would they do that? Charity and good will? He stunk for three months straight. Like, one of the very worst players in baseball.
Same, resent this whole thing of fans arguing for *more* MiLB time to a guy with Kelenic’s baseball resume both pro and amateur. Boo hoo, he didn’t put up fancy stats as a rookie immediately “after” covid with SafeCo as the home park to make you seem like a fantasy genius…I really hate even the idea of it, he’s going to be fine and it’s mostly a passive plot for manufacturing a manageable timeline with maximum [cost] certainty because money is involved…It’s rotten at the core, but because roster management for the always coming never here Future is all the rage seems clever and appealing rather than basic and at least maybe limiting…The earlier you get these kind of talents up the better. That he didn’t get some arbitrary amount of upper minors PAs is mostly made up, especially in this era of teams running through so many players and putting so much Value in option years
It’s better for the player to come up earlier, but the team has to decide if it’s better for them. The reason why some teams have to say “He needs more AAA time” is because agents and fans have made it so the team can’t just plainly say “We don’t want to trade three months of Kelenic hitting .150 at age 21, for a WHOLE SEASON of Kelenic hitting .278 with 28 bombs, 25 steals, and 75 walks at age 26. That would be silly, and y’all are silly for suggesting it.”
People act like everyone is supposed to act in favor of their own best interests, except management of baseball teams. Why?
I would make the argument that there is no manipulation going on, just easy decisions.
…so you’re saying Juan Soto has been pretty good. Got it.
Dan, you are very smart but you have some funny ideas about pitchers. I’m willing to grant you some leeway about calling Robbie Ray an ace because lots of people have different ideas about what that word means, but when we’re talking about putting Zack Greinke near the top of a rotation…
Yeah he’s an amazing career but 2021,probably started a sharp decline and descent into a backend guy.
Ty France in left field was another one that is questionable at best, especially given that forces Kelenic into Center.
I think that’s Fraley and not France.
From the article “I’d love to see Seattle sign Freddie Freeman, moving Ty France to an outfield corner (with positional flexibility) and Mitch Haniger to DH”. Doesn’t seem like France would play well in LF to me.
Eh, if you have two working legs and aren’t Todd Hundley, you can be passable.
In any case, it’ s not an important part of the point; you could move to Toro or a number of others around. The main idea is that Freddie Freeman would be a lot of fun and you can still use France.
Let’s not be too harsh with Hundley, whose range was handicapped because no one in the Mets hierarchy told him not to go into left field with his catcher’s equipment still on and in a squat.
Freddy Freeman, very fun. Ty France in the outfield, not fun. Math comes out to slightly positive fun.
Remember, the M’s *invented* the concept of fun differential.
Assuming Ray made an actual change last year, he is certainly an ace. He has always been throwing strikes away from being one of the best pitchers in the game. And he started to throw strikes.
If the Mariners want to make a move without breaking the bank, they should bring Nelson Cruz back to DH.
I’m also still on the Daulton-Varsho-to-Mariners trade. I don’t think Lewis is going to be in center field much longer. Heck, if his knee doesn’t hold up, he won’t be in baseball much longer.
As for starting pitching, I’d certainly like them to make a play for Rodon but there’s no one else out there who would be an upgrade on the free agent market. Sonny Gray and Tyler Mahle are supposedly available in trade, I guess.
Nothing against bringing back Cruz (which, totally), but they should also break the bank.
Cruz’s second half with the Rays concerns me as he really struggled there and Father Time is undefeated against everyone but Tom Brady.
Not that this is necessarily the entire answer, but check out his home/road splits after the trade. Could be a Willy Adames situation.
I played at Tropicana in high school and I have good ideas but I remember swing and missing at balls in batting practice. It is hard to see there probably for people with certain eye qualities.
I’ll take the over on those Logan Gilbert projections. 24 starts in his rookie year with 119 IP, 3.73 FIP, and a 19.9% K-BB ratio. That K-BB ratio would have been 17th in the majors if he qualified. Really surprised he’s only projected for 125 innings.
Yeah, he’s gonna be a stud.
Gilbert needs to figure out how to get guys out the 2nd and 3rd times through the order. Every pitcher is worse the second time out but it’s particularly dramatic with Gilbert. He goes from looking like a legitimate #2 starter early in games, to a back-end starter in the middle innings, to a mop-up guy once he’s facing hitters for the third time.
Full disclosure: I formed this opinion based on the eye test but gut-checked it with numbers and I think it holds up.
OPS-Against by time through order:
Gilbert: .623 1st PA, .748 2nd PA, .866 3rd PA
2021 AL league-wide: .698 1st PA, .732 2nd PA, .788 3rd PA
It pertains to everything except the FA. Slider and changeup need to be used against both righties and lefties. Until that is part of his repertoire…
Things should be more interesting this season. Raleigh’s improvements should help too!!
Are the AL league-wide numbers limited to starting pitcher only? If they also include relievers, we’d expect the 2nd and especially the 3rd PA OPS to be lower.
You’re right, I looked at the wrong column (I was looking at leaguewide OPS by PA). If you isolate SP’s times facing batters, here’s what the league-wide OPS-against numbers look like:
1st PA: .718; 2nd PA: .761; 3rd PA: .771
That changes things a bit, as he goes to about average (ever so slightly above) the 2nd time through the lineup, but the troubles the 3rd time through the lineup look even more dramatic when compared only to starting pitchers.
So, yeah, still very much an issue. If he can’t get batters out for a 3rd time you’re talking about a pitcher you can’t trust much past the 5th inning, which really limits his upside.
But he’s still young and 2021 was a huge uptick in his innings count, so the door’s not closed on him making adjustments and getting there.
Agreed, very underrated too once he became eligible for the all powerful Top 100s
So given their successes with former Mets retreads in Sewald and Flexen how long before the Mariners sign Gsellman and have him pitch like he did in 2016?
Bill Pulsipher to lead the club in saves
The Walton projection is a bit puzzling (projected with a higher OPS+ than Lewis and Toro?). I’m curious to understand why ZIPS is so high on him.
That jumped out at me too. I wonder if ZIPS accounts for the fact that Walton’s AAA performance was a bit better than what’s reflected by league-adjusted stats like wRC+ since he played in Cheney.
Or maybe it’s just the combination of peak age and an AAA breakout that featured a combination of elite contact and decent pop. I didn’t realize just how good his performance in Tacoma was until I looked. Hope he gets a shot somewhere.
ZiPS is aware of park factors.
When adjusting for the park mix of the minors, ZiPS has Cheney with a three-year run factor of 80, a HR factor of 83, and the second-worst park for all hits in the upper minors. The worst? Dickey-Stevens, where the Arkansas Travelers, the team’s Double-A affiliate play!
Thanks Dan! I figured that was part of it. Need to keep that in mind when looking at Rainiers hitters (and pitchers, too), since league-adjusted stats for Triple-A West give them Coors Field-like adjustments.
Unless I’m missing something this also means Julio Rodriguez was even better in Double-A than his 173 wRC+ suggests.
I’m just here for The Continuing Adventures of Joe Schmoe.
2022
“So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a big band orchestra that only plays nu-metal versions of baroque cantatas, he’s still listed here intentionally.”
2021
“So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a Finnish industrial death metal fourth-wave ska J-pop band, he’s still listed here intentionally.”
2020
“So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in June to form a ska-cowpunk Luxembourgian bubblegum pop-death metal band, he’s still listed here intentionally.”
I like how this is updated, for no necessary reason, and the author never making a reference to it.
Looks like Joe Schmoe has been trying to figure out a way to be a contestant on Eurovision.
And not just recently….looks like he’s been threatening to do this since 2014 (Google “Jenni Vartiainen Joe Schmoe” and click the top link ;))
I saw Joe playing the Okfuskee County Fair back in ’15, maybe ’16. He blew in a jug for two hours and I’ll be damned if that little hoedown didn’t become a full-blown hootnanny.
It made me sad to see Kyle Seager on this list 🙁
Hopefully a contender signs him.
He’s going to make a good Cub if Hoyer’s or Hawkins got his wits about him
Seager and Kikuchi are still showing as M’s here but they are not any more.
Yes. Yes they are.
I can’t remember the last time the Mariners were projected with at least 1.4 wins at every position. They still need upgrades at a couple of spots before anyone can slap the contender label on them for the first time in what seems like a million years, but it’s remarkable how ZiPS doesn’t see them with any glaring holes even if they keep the 2021 team together. You have to give credit to Dipoto and his crew for what they’ve pulled off here, even if it hasn’t driven them beyond October 3rd just yet.
It sure seems like they should go out of the way to find Julio Rodriguex a full season of MLB at bats without giving up Haniger. teams often reach the World Series on the back of excellent rookie performances surrounded by veteran career years. Seattle could be such a team. But it appears to me the pitching needs help. it lacks big upside and significant depth. get 2 more average starters and a closer and this team could surprise and go deep in the playoffs if a few of the young hitter’s breakout at once.
Julio RF, Haniger full time DH.
I know, visual biases and all, but Hanniger shows up as a poor outfielder statistically, but looks pretty good out there visually. At least 90% of the time, the stats and visuals match up. Dont know what to make of that, other than from watching I cant put him down as a any sort of true liability on defense.
I do agree with you that he won’t be as bad as he was in 2021, at least for a little while. I watched him in person a few times and he made all the routine plays and still showed off a solid throwing arm. He missed nearly two years to a bunch of severe injuries and multiple setbacks as well. Rust, and perhaps some mental blocks had to be shaken off. I do think his days of being a very good RF/okay enough CF are over, though.
I thought Haniger looked like shit out there visually this year. He gets mediocre jumps, he gets turned around, and he makes dumb decisions about throwing to bases.
Yeah, I saw what Corey saw, especially in August and September (when, admittedly, I watched more games than earlier in the year).
Glad to see Trammell generate a positive WAR projection…feel free to send him over to the Cubs jic
Pretty fascinating graph about Rodriguez and other projected young studs. You should be proud of your excellent work. I wish I had a fraction of your ability to do, well, anything in life. Alas, I’m useless.
Hay, just because you’re not a HOF-level baseball projectionist, or one of the young studs he’s projected, doesn’t mean you’re useless!
Not everyone takes the time to compliment someone on their work. Kindness and gratitude are two of the most useful things in the world, especially nowadays.
Just neighing.
Thanks, Horseface
I will take that Julio projection and run giggling for the hills. He has the trunk of a young Miggie. Not sure I buy the defensive projection though.
I haven’t seen him play yet, but just by looking at his stats it seems as though he runs well for a big dude (6’3 200-something) since he posts double digit steals and what-not. He’s probably just okay in CF and very good in RF right now, which isn’t a big deal so long as his bat is huge enough to make up for any defensive shortcomings he might actually have.
Glad to see Johan Santa made it back on the comps.
Tis the season…
Not really fair to use Brien Taylor as the classic bust comp if you know the story.