2022 ZiPS Projections: St. Louis Cardinals
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the St. Louis Cardinals.
Batters
Can we just say 87 wins and call it a day? It feels like that’s what I’ve been projecting for the Cardinals for the last 15 years or so. That’s an exaggeration, but not an extreme one: ZiPS hasn’t projected St. Louis outside the 85–90 win range in a full season since 2011. Going back to the first official ZiPS team standings in 2005 — I only did players in the first couple of years — the team’s projections have been below .500 once (2008) and above 90 wins once (2010).
The lineup rarely has superstars at the top, but the Cards have a knack for keeping their floor incredibly high. Does that line sound familiar? It might; it’s what I wrote last year. And it still applies today. For a while, it looked like it wouldn’t happen in 2021, with the team 44-47 right around the All-Star break. Now, if you still considered the Cardinals an 89-win team or thereabouts, the normal thinking would have been to say, “Oh, OK, so they’ll play at an 89-win pace the rest of the way and finish around .500.” But the Cards care not for you and your fancy-pants Gambler’s Fallacy. After a loss against the Kansas City Royals on August 8, St. Louis stood at 55-56. This was the last time they were below .500, as they went 35-16 the rest of the way, capped by a 17-game winning streak in mid-September. The Cards didn’t just sneak back into the Wild Card conversation; they talked over the Padres and Reds and flipped the table, spilling all the hors d’oeuvres onto the floor. In the end, they made the playoffs with seven games to spare.
If anything, the lineup looks more stable than it did last year at this point. The outfield looks pretty clearly set with Tyler O’Neill, Harrison Bader, and Dylan Carlson, with no Dexter Fowler hanging around trying to finish out a long-term deal. The uncertainty surrounding Matt Carpenter has cleared up. He never played well enough in 2021 to cause any positional controversy and was basically reduced to pinch-hitting duties by the end of the season. I’m still not sure how shortstop will shake out, but I’m happy with either Paul DeJong or Edmundo Sosa there next year. In DeJong’s case, his overall 2021 season was much better than the common perception. There isn’t even a will they/won’t they about bringing back Yadier Molina; he signed in August for a farewell campaign in 2022.
While the lineup is basically set, the Cardinals wouldn’t be hurt by adding a role player or two to the roster. The cupboard in that department looks relatively thin, especially for this organization.
Pitchers
This is probably the weaker part of the team right now, and I hope they’re not done investing. Adam Wainwright basically held the rotation together for large parts of the season, and that was with 106 2/3 quality innings out of Kwang Hyun Kim. The addition of Steven Matz and the return of Dakota Hudson from Tommy John surgery will buttress the rotation, but with Jack Flaherty seemingly unlucky at times health-wise, it still feels like they’re short another starter. I’m not necessarily talking about a long-term addition, but I’d rather Matthew Liberatore and Connor Thomas be Plan Bs, at least for 2022.
The computer is not terribly keen on the bullpen once you get past Giovanny Gallegos and Alex Reyes. In most systems, ZiPS finds an intriguing Triple-A reliever or two but here there’s a real shortage of bullpen arms who would cause the Rays to salivate should they be able to swipe them out of the minors. Let’s call that the Chaz Roe Zone. This is really the only area of the team where ZiPS is significantly less confident than it was last year. It should be noted, however, that Steamer is much more optimistic about the relief corps as a whole.
Call the Cards an 85-90 win team. That shouldn’t surprise anyone at this point.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nolan Arenado | R | 31 | 3B | 623 | 562 | 78 | 148 | 29 | 2 | 29 | 96 | 51 | 95 | 2 | 1 |
| Tommy Edman | B | 27 | 2B | 667 | 617 | 88 | 170 | 32 | 6 | 13 | 60 | 37 | 101 | 29 | 5 |
| Tyler O’Neill | R | 27 | LF | 554 | 497 | 90 | 132 | 25 | 2 | 35 | 89 | 41 | 174 | 15 | 4 |
| Paul Goldschmidt | R | 34 | 1B | 625 | 552 | 83 | 148 | 28 | 2 | 25 | 83 | 67 | 140 | 7 | 1 |
| Harrison Bader | R | 28 | CF | 441 | 392 | 57 | 96 | 21 | 2 | 16 | 51 | 36 | 111 | 10 | 3 |
| Dylan Carlson | B | 23 | RF | 632 | 555 | 81 | 148 | 33 | 6 | 20 | 75 | 58 | 144 | 4 | 2 |
| Paul DeJong | R | 28 | SS | 505 | 447 | 63 | 100 | 21 | 1 | 20 | 64 | 43 | 130 | 5 | 2 |
| Nolan Gorman | L | 22 | 3B | 548 | 512 | 62 | 128 | 25 | 2 | 21 | 64 | 29 | 120 | 5 | 0 |
| Edmundo Sosa | R | 26 | SS | 432 | 394 | 48 | 99 | 15 | 4 | 9 | 38 | 18 | 88 | 4 | 4 |
| Juan Yepez | R | 24 | 1B | 419 | 372 | 52 | 89 | 21 | 0 | 19 | 59 | 34 | 93 | 1 | 2 |
| Brendan Donovan | L | 25 | 3B | 478 | 429 | 64 | 105 | 19 | 1 | 9 | 45 | 35 | 94 | 9 | 4 |
| Yadier Molina | R | 39 | C | 421 | 393 | 37 | 96 | 16 | 0 | 9 | 54 | 19 | 70 | 3 | 0 |
| Andrew Knizner | R | 27 | C | 309 | 280 | 35 | 67 | 11 | 0 | 8 | 31 | 21 | 55 | 3 | 0 |
| Lars Nootbaar | L | 24 | RF | 351 | 316 | 42 | 77 | 8 | 2 | 11 | 37 | 32 | 72 | 4 | 4 |
| Matt Koperniak | L | 24 | LF | 428 | 393 | 55 | 102 | 21 | 0 | 8 | 39 | 22 | 66 | 3 | 2 |
| Matt Carpenter | L | 36 | 2B | 373 | 316 | 41 | 64 | 16 | 1 | 9 | 38 | 49 | 108 | 3 | 0 |
| José Rondón | R | 28 | 3B | 214 | 197 | 25 | 45 | 8 | 1 | 9 | 27 | 14 | 52 | 3 | 1 |
| Alec Burleson | L | 23 | RF | 528 | 493 | 66 | 120 | 18 | 0 | 17 | 63 | 29 | 107 | 2 | 1 |
| Conner Capel | L | 25 | RF | 432 | 395 | 46 | 89 | 16 | 2 | 10 | 40 | 30 | 99 | 6 | 4 |
| Ben DeLuzio | R | 27 | CF | 338 | 309 | 32 | 66 | 12 | 4 | 3 | 21 | 20 | 92 | 14 | 6 |
| Max Moroff | B | 29 | 2B | 181 | 158 | 21 | 33 | 7 | 0 | 6 | 20 | 20 | 53 | 2 | 1 |
| Justin Toerner | L | 25 | CF | 372 | 329 | 41 | 64 | 10 | 1 | 7 | 28 | 34 | 112 | 5 | 4 |
| Ali Sánchez | R | 25 | C | 324 | 305 | 31 | 71 | 13 | 0 | 3 | 22 | 16 | 61 | 1 | 2 |
| Kramer Robertson | R | 27 | 2B | 466 | 408 | 59 | 88 | 17 | 2 | 9 | 41 | 44 | 91 | 9 | 4 |
| Nick Raposo | R | 24 | C | 150 | 135 | 20 | 30 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 10 | 11 | 32 | 1 | 0 |
| Malcom Nunez | R | 21 | 3B | 414 | 388 | 48 | 90 | 15 | 1 | 9 | 36 | 23 | 84 | 6 | 2 |
| Matt Szczur | R | 32 | CF | 135 | 124 | 12 | 25 | 5 | 1 | 4 | 13 | 8 | 33 | 0 | 1 |
| Aaron Antonini | L | 23 | C | 249 | 216 | 30 | 34 | 6 | 0 | 6 | 20 | 20 | 67 | 0 | 0 |
| Iván Herrera | R | 22 | C | 437 | 387 | 54 | 79 | 12 | 0 | 13 | 45 | 36 | 101 | 1 | 2 |
| Evan Mendoza | R | 26 | SS | 420 | 385 | 43 | 85 | 11 | 1 | 2 | 23 | 25 | 103 | 9 | 3 |
| Rayder Ascanio | R | 26 | 3B | 298 | 275 | 26 | 58 | 9 | 0 | 6 | 23 | 19 | 64 | 2 | 2 |
| Irving Lopez | L | 27 | 3B | 337 | 308 | 34 | 64 | 11 | 3 | 4 | 24 | 18 | 77 | 1 | 1 |
| Delvin Perez | R | 23 | SS | 469 | 442 | 38 | 99 | 11 | 3 | 3 | 21 | 19 | 106 | 18 | 6 |
| Luken Baker | R | 25 | 1B | 445 | 409 | 42 | 90 | 21 | 0 | 14 | 47 | 30 | 126 | 0 | 0 |
| Chandler Redmond | L | 25 | 1B | 373 | 342 | 42 | 72 | 14 | 0 | 13 | 41 | 27 | 135 | 2 | 1 |
| Clint Coulter | R | 28 | LF | 178 | 163 | 17 | 31 | 6 | 0 | 7 | 20 | 11 | 64 | 0 | 0 |
| Scott Hurst | L | 26 | CF | 337 | 306 | 28 | 55 | 11 | 1 | 4 | 19 | 26 | 113 | 4 | 3 |
| Chase Pinder | R | 26 | RF | 312 | 273 | 26 | 51 | 5 | 0 | 6 | 17 | 29 | 101 | 1 | 3 |
| Nick Dunn | L | 25 | 2B | 394 | 363 | 43 | 78 | 14 | 1 | 4 | 29 | 22 | 69 | 2 | 2 |
| Anderson Tejeda | B | 24 | SS | 340 | 318 | 28 | 54 | 11 | 1 | 9 | 29 | 20 | 142 | 10 | 3 |
| Justin Williams | R | 22 | RF | 186 | 173 | 17 | 31 | 6 | 0 | 7 | 18 | 11 | 67 | 3 | 3 |
| Jonah Davis | L | 24 | CF | 380 | 343 | 34 | 55 | 10 | 2 | 11 | 32 | 30 | 179 | 4 | 8 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nolan Arenado | .263 | .324 | .477 | 116 | .214 | .272 | 5.7 | 8 | 4.2 | Vern Stephens |
| Tommy Edman | .276 | .322 | .410 | 99 | .135 | .312 | 5.3 | 8 | 3.9 | Tony Fernandez |
| Tyler O’Neill | .266 | .334 | .535 | 133 | .270 | .337 | 6.7 | 0 | 3.9 | Rick Reichardt |
| Paul Goldschmidt | .268 | .349 | .462 | 120 | .194 | .318 | 6.0 | 3 | 3.4 | Bill White |
| Harrison Bader | .245 | .322 | .431 | 104 | .186 | .302 | 5.1 | 11 | 3.1 | Michael Cuddyer |
| Dylan Carlson | .267 | .342 | .456 | 116 | .189 | .327 | 5.7 | 0 | 2.9 | Daryl Sconiers |
| Paul DeJong | .224 | .303 | .409 | 93 | .186 | .269 | 4.3 | 7 | 2.7 | Steve Buechele |
| Nolan Gorman | .250 | .293 | .430 | 95 | .180 | .288 | 4.6 | 7 | 2.5 | David Bell |
| Edmundo Sosa | .251 | .307 | .378 | 87 | .127 | .303 | 4.1 | 5 | 1.7 | Ronny Cedeno |
| Juan Yepez | .239 | .310 | .449 | 105 | .210 | .269 | 4.9 | 3 | 1.4 | Brad Bouras |
| Brendan Donovan | .245 | .313 | .357 | 83 | .112 | .294 | 4.0 | 3 | 1.3 | Vance Law |
| Yadier Molina | .244 | .286 | .354 | 74 | .109 | .277 | 3.7 | 3 | 1.1 | Chris Coste |
| Andrew Knizner | .239 | .304 | .364 | 82 | .125 | .272 | 4.0 | 1 | 1.0 | Bill McGuire |
| Lars Nootbaar | .244 | .314 | .386 | 91 | .142 | .283 | 4.2 | 5 | 1.0 | Ron Jones |
| Matt Koperniak | .260 | .312 | .374 | 87 | .115 | .295 | 4.2 | 5 | 0.9 | Casey Kotchman |
| Matt Carpenter | .203 | .319 | .345 | 82 | .142 | .276 | 3.8 | -4 | 0.5 | Marty McManus |
| José Rondón | .228 | .280 | .416 | 88 | .188 | .265 | 4.1 | -1 | 0.4 | Howard Nichols |
| Alec Burleson | .243 | .284 | .383 | 81 | .140 | .279 | 3.9 | 3 | 0.4 | Jim Bowie |
| Conner Capel | .225 | .281 | .352 | 72 | .127 | .276 | 3.4 | 8 | 0.3 | Theron Todd |
| Ben DeLuzio | .214 | .273 | .307 | 59 | .094 | .294 | 2.9 | 7 | 0.3 | Adrian Myers |
| Max Moroff | .209 | .306 | .367 | 84 | .158 | .273 | 3.8 | -1 | 0.3 | Shanie Dugas |
| Justin Toerner | .195 | .283 | .295 | 59 | .100 | .271 | 2.7 | 6 | 0.3 | Billy Deck |
| Ali Sánchez | .233 | .272 | .305 | 58 | .072 | .282 | 2.8 | 4 | 0.2 | Chairon Isenia |
| Kramer Robertson | .216 | .305 | .333 | 75 | .118 | .256 | 3.5 | -5 | 0.2 | Mike Moriarty |
| Nick Raposo | .222 | .289 | .289 | 59 | .067 | .284 | 3.0 | 1 | 0.1 | Edwin Marquez |
| Malcom Nunez | .232 | .280 | .345 | 70 | .113 | .275 | 3.5 | -1 | 0.1 | Joe Dunlap |
| Matt Szczur | .202 | .246 | .355 | 62 | .153 | .241 | 2.8 | 2 | 0.1 | Scott Wade |
| Aaron Antonini | .157 | .262 | .269 | 46 | .111 | .196 | 2.3 | 1 | -0.2 | Dave Liddell |
| Iván Herrera | .204 | .277 | .336 | 67 | .132 | .242 | 3.1 | -5 | -0.2 | Scott Heard |
| Evan Mendoza | .221 | .269 | .270 | 49 | .049 | .296 | 2.6 | 5 | -0.2 | Adam Haley |
| Rayder Ascanio | .211 | .266 | .309 | 57 | .098 | .254 | 2.7 | 2 | -0.3 | Gera Alvarez |
| Irving Lopez | .208 | .269 | .302 | 56 | .094 | .264 | 2.7 | 2 | -0.3 | Tom Nevers |
| Delvin Perez | .224 | .263 | .283 | 50 | .059 | .288 | 2.7 | 3 | -0.3 | Esteban Beltre |
| Luken Baker | .220 | .275 | .374 | 76 | .154 | .283 | 3.6 | -1 | -0.5 | Mark Fleisher |
| Chandler Redmond | .211 | .273 | .365 | 73 | .155 | .304 | 3.4 | -1 | -0.5 | Mark Hamilton |
| Clint Coulter | .190 | .249 | .356 | 63 | .166 | .261 | 2.9 | -1 | -0.5 | Troy Farnsworth |
| Scott Hurst | .180 | .245 | .261 | 39 | .082 | .270 | 2.0 | 6 | -0.7 | Russ Quetti |
| Chase Pinder | .187 | .275 | .271 | 51 | .084 | .271 | 2.3 | 3 | -0.8 | Roger Haggerty |
| Nick Dunn | .215 | .263 | .292 | 52 | .077 | .255 | 2.6 | -1 | -0.9 | Chad Tredaway |
| Anderson Tejeda | .170 | .221 | .296 | 40 | .126 | .269 | 2.2 | -1 | -1.1 | Robert McIntyre |
| Justin Williams | .179 | .237 | .335 | 54 | .156 | .242 | 2.4 | -4 | -1.1 | Maximo Rodriguez |
| Jonah Davis | .160 | .239 | .297 | 46 | .137 | .288 | 2.0 | -8 | -2.1 | Gary Hust |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jack Flaherty | R | 26 | 9 | 6 | 3.46 | 26 | 25 | 130.0 | 105 | 50 | 17 | 42 | 149 | 3.72 |
| Adam Wainwright | R | 40 | 11 | 10 | 4.10 | 27 | 27 | 162.3 | 156 | 74 | 22 | 47 | 131 | 4.33 |
| Steven Matz | L | 31 | 10 | 9 | 4.11 | 29 | 28 | 144.7 | 144 | 66 | 20 | 46 | 130 | 4.26 |
| Dakota Hudson | R | 27 | 8 | 7 | 4.01 | 26 | 20 | 112.3 | 105 | 50 | 11 | 47 | 84 | 4.37 |
| Connor Thomas | L | 24 | 7 | 6 | 4.17 | 28 | 19 | 127.3 | 131 | 59 | 16 | 36 | 99 | 4.25 |
| Miles Mikolas | R | 33 | 7 | 6 | 4.12 | 21 | 21 | 111.3 | 114 | 51 | 16 | 22 | 82 | 4.33 |
| Matthew Liberatore | L | 22 | 9 | 9 | 4.30 | 22 | 18 | 119.3 | 121 | 57 | 17 | 34 | 101 | 4.34 |
| Giovanny Gallegos | R | 30 | 6 | 3 | 3.14 | 67 | 0 | 71.7 | 53 | 25 | 8 | 20 | 90 | 3.12 |
| Kwang Hyun Kim | L | 33 | 7 | 7 | 4.39 | 27 | 22 | 108.7 | 107 | 53 | 15 | 38 | 84 | 4.59 |
| J.A. Happ | L | 39 | 8 | 8 | 4.63 | 26 | 26 | 136.0 | 138 | 70 | 21 | 43 | 105 | 4.68 |
| Ljay Newsome | R | 25 | 6 | 6 | 4.47 | 20 | 17 | 92.7 | 100 | 46 | 17 | 15 | 77 | 4.52 |
| Angel Rondon | R | 24 | 6 | 6 | 4.48 | 23 | 16 | 92.3 | 96 | 46 | 14 | 29 | 72 | 4.70 |
| Johan Oviedo | R | 24 | 6 | 7 | 4.73 | 26 | 24 | 118.0 | 117 | 62 | 16 | 59 | 105 | 4.92 |
| Andre Pallante | R | 23 | 5 | 5 | 4.66 | 22 | 21 | 94.7 | 101 | 49 | 11 | 38 | 63 | 4.72 |
| Jon Lester | L | 38 | 6 | 7 | 4.82 | 25 | 25 | 127.0 | 139 | 68 | 20 | 46 | 90 | 4.99 |
| Carlos Martínez | R | 30 | 5 | 6 | 4.64 | 19 | 16 | 83.3 | 82 | 43 | 11 | 35 | 70 | 4.69 |
| Austin Warner | L | 28 | 6 | 6 | 4.56 | 34 | 13 | 96.7 | 97 | 49 | 14 | 35 | 82 | 4.61 |
| Alex Reyes | R | 27 | 9 | 7 | 3.74 | 66 | 0 | 67.3 | 49 | 28 | 8 | 40 | 95 | 3.77 |
| Génesis Cabrera | L | 25 | 6 | 5 | 4.18 | 62 | 6 | 84.0 | 73 | 39 | 12 | 40 | 94 | 4.44 |
| Daniel Ponce de Leon | R | 30 | 4 | 5 | 4.63 | 28 | 15 | 79.7 | 71 | 41 | 11 | 45 | 81 | 4.82 |
| Domingo Robles | L | 24 | 6 | 8 | 4.91 | 24 | 22 | 102.7 | 117 | 56 | 16 | 27 | 63 | 4.91 |
| Thomas Parsons | R | 26 | 5 | 5 | 4.76 | 24 | 12 | 85.0 | 91 | 45 | 15 | 24 | 67 | 4.92 |
| Tyler Pike | L | 28 | 4 | 4 | 4.66 | 15 | 9 | 63.7 | 67 | 33 | 8 | 24 | 47 | 4.66 |
| Jake Walsh | R | 26 | 4 | 4 | 4.68 | 20 | 10 | 65.3 | 65 | 34 | 10 | 26 | 59 | 4.70 |
| Dalton Roach | R | 26 | 7 | 8 | 4.97 | 22 | 18 | 105.0 | 113 | 58 | 16 | 40 | 78 | 4.99 |
| Wade LeBlanc | L | 37 | 4 | 4 | 4.87 | 22 | 14 | 85.0 | 92 | 46 | 14 | 25 | 62 | 4.85 |
| Evan Kruczynski | L | 27 | 4 | 5 | 4.99 | 22 | 15 | 88.3 | 90 | 49 | 14 | 43 | 77 | 5.13 |
| Kodi Whitley | R | 27 | 3 | 3 | 4.13 | 45 | 1 | 52.3 | 47 | 24 | 7 | 22 | 54 | 4.23 |
| T.J. Zeuch | R | 26 | 5 | 6 | 5.07 | 24 | 18 | 110.0 | 119 | 62 | 18 | 38 | 72 | 5.17 |
| Jordan Hicks | R | 25 | 1 | 1 | 4.13 | 30 | 0 | 28.3 | 23 | 13 | 3 | 17 | 32 | 4.20 |
| Grant Black | R | 27 | 2 | 2 | 4.72 | 30 | 6 | 61.0 | 62 | 32 | 7 | 30 | 48 | 4.72 |
| Andrew Miller | L | 37 | 1 | 1 | 4.19 | 45 | 1 | 38.7 | 36 | 18 | 5 | 18 | 42 | 4.55 |
| Alex FaGalde | R | 28 | 4 | 6 | 5.09 | 20 | 13 | 76.0 | 80 | 43 | 12 | 32 | 55 | 5.25 |
| Junior Fernández | R | 25 | 3 | 2 | 4.24 | 42 | 0 | 51.0 | 47 | 24 | 5 | 26 | 48 | 4.34 |
| Ryan Helsley | R | 27 | 5 | 5 | 4.55 | 46 | 3 | 55.3 | 50 | 28 | 8 | 30 | 57 | 4.68 |
| Jake Woodford | R | 25 | 6 | 7 | 5.14 | 33 | 17 | 112.0 | 115 | 64 | 20 | 48 | 87 | 5.45 |
| Jacob Bosiokovic | R | 28 | 4 | 4 | 4.39 | 37 | 0 | 53.3 | 50 | 26 | 6 | 26 | 51 | 4.36 |
| Freddy Pacheco | R | 24 | 1 | 1 | 4.44 | 43 | 0 | 50.7 | 44 | 25 | 6 | 34 | 57 | 4.66 |
| Seth Elledge | R | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.55 | 45 | 1 | 55.3 | 52 | 28 | 8 | 29 | 55 | 4.81 |
| Edgar Escobar | R | 25 | 2 | 2 | 4.47 | 31 | 0 | 46.3 | 44 | 23 | 6 | 20 | 44 | 4.39 |
| Garrett Williams | L | 27 | 3 | 4 | 4.99 | 34 | 7 | 70.3 | 68 | 39 | 9 | 44 | 62 | 5.13 |
| Cory Thompson | R | 27 | 3 | 3 | 4.50 | 34 | 0 | 50.0 | 52 | 25 | 6 | 19 | 37 | 4.58 |
| Kyle Ryan | L | 30 | 2 | 2 | 4.54 | 43 | 0 | 41.7 | 42 | 21 | 6 | 18 | 35 | 4.74 |
| T.J. McFarland | L | 33 | 3 | 3 | 4.50 | 54 | 0 | 60.0 | 63 | 30 | 8 | 19 | 38 | 4.65 |
| Justin Miller | R | 35 | 2 | 3 | 4.59 | 27 | 0 | 33.3 | 34 | 17 | 5 | 12 | 28 | 4.71 |
| Kyle Leahy | R | 25 | 4 | 6 | 5.27 | 24 | 13 | 95.7 | 108 | 56 | 13 | 39 | 54 | 5.23 |
| Tyler Webb | L | 31 | 1 | 1 | 4.67 | 46 | 0 | 44.3 | 41 | 23 | 6 | 23 | 42 | 4.67 |
| Connor Jones | R | 27 | 4 | 5 | 4.85 | 44 | 3 | 65.0 | 66 | 35 | 6 | 39 | 48 | 4.89 |
| Johan Quezada | R | 27 | 2 | 3 | 5.13 | 23 | 1 | 33.3 | 35 | 19 | 4 | 18 | 25 | 5.04 |
| Brandon Waddell | L | 28 | 4 | 5 | 5.37 | 27 | 10 | 70.3 | 74 | 42 | 11 | 39 | 57 | 5.43 |
| Jesus Cruz | R | 27 | 3 | 3 | 5.07 | 41 | 2 | 49.7 | 50 | 28 | 8 | 29 | 49 | 5.23 |
| Edgar Gonzalez | R | 25 | 6 | 8 | 5.59 | 19 | 18 | 85.3 | 96 | 53 | 15 | 38 | 58 | 5.62 |
| Griffin Roberts | R | 26 | 2 | 4 | 6.18 | 11 | 9 | 43.7 | 50 | 30 | 6 | 31 | 21 | 6.34 |
| James Naile | R | 29 | 5 | 7 | 5.46 | 39 | 11 | 94.0 | 109 | 57 | 17 | 32 | 57 | 5.50 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jack Flaherty | 10.3 | 2.9 | 1.2 | 7.8% | 27.8% | .274 | 119 | 84 | 2.4 | Pete Harnisch |
| Adam Wainwright | 7.3 | 2.6 | 1.2 | 6.9% | 19.1% | .280 | 101 | 99 | 2.0 | Orel Hershiser |
| Steven Matz | 8.1 | 2.9 | 1.2 | 7.4% | 21.0% | .297 | 101 | 99 | 1.8 | Jon Matlack |
| Dakota Hudson | 6.7 | 3.8 | 0.9 | 9.7% | 17.3% | .278 | 103 | 97 | 1.5 | Russ Bauers |
| Connor Thomas | 7.0 | 2.5 | 1.1 | 6.6% | 18.2% | .296 | 99 | 101 | 1.4 | Steve Trout |
| Miles Mikolas | 6.6 | 1.8 | 1.3 | 4.7% | 17.6% | .287 | 100 | 100 | 1.4 | Bob Tewksbury |
| Matthew Liberatore | 7.6 | 2.6 | 1.3 | 6.7% | 19.8% | .295 | 96 | 104 | 1.2 | Butch Henry |
| Giovanny Gallegos | 11.3 | 2.5 | 1.0 | 6.9% | 31.3% | .271 | 132 | 76 | 1.2 | J.J. Putz |
| Kwang Hyun Kim | 7.0 | 3.1 | 1.2 | 8.1% | 18.0% | .282 | 94 | 106 | 1.0 | Kenny Rogers |
| J.A. Happ | 6.9 | 2.8 | 1.4 | 7.4% | 18.0% | .285 | 89 | 112 | 0.9 | Jerry Reuss |
| Ljay Newsome | 7.5 | 1.5 | 1.7 | 3.8% | 19.7% | .300 | 92 | 108 | 0.7 | Andy Sonnanstine |
| Angel Rondon | 7.0 | 2.8 | 1.4 | 7.3% | 18.0% | .293 | 92 | 109 | 0.7 | Steve Crawford |
| Johan Oviedo | 8.0 | 4.5 | 1.2 | 11.1% | 19.7% | .295 | 87 | 114 | 0.7 | Matt Albers |
| Andre Pallante | 6.0 | 3.6 | 1.0 | 9.0% | 15.0% | .297 | 89 | 113 | 0.6 | Al Santorini |
| Jon Lester | 6.4 | 3.3 | 1.4 | 8.2% | 16.1% | .298 | 86 | 117 | 0.6 | Jerry Reuss |
| Carlos Martínez | 7.6 | 3.8 | 1.2 | 9.5% | 19.1% | .290 | 89 | 112 | 0.6 | Ryan Glynn |
| Austin Warner | 7.6 | 3.3 | 1.3 | 8.3% | 19.5% | .292 | 91 | 110 | 0.6 | Buddy Groom |
| Alex Reyes | 12.7 | 5.3 | 1.1 | 13.8% | 32.9% | .285 | 110 | 91 | 0.6 | Eric Plunk |
| Génesis Cabrera | 10.1 | 4.3 | 1.3 | 10.9% | 25.7% | .285 | 99 | 101 | 0.5 | Ken Brett |
| Daniel Ponce de Leon | 9.2 | 5.1 | 1.2 | 12.7% | 22.8% | .282 | 89 | 112 | 0.4 | Victor Zambrano |
| Domingo Robles | 5.5 | 2.4 | 1.4 | 6.0% | 14.0% | .299 | 84 | 119 | 0.4 | Bobby Livingston |
| Thomas Parsons | 7.1 | 2.5 | 1.6 | 6.5% | 18.2% | .295 | 87 | 115 | 0.4 | Josh Stevens |
| Tyler Pike | 6.6 | 3.4 | 1.1 | 8.5% | 16.7% | .298 | 89 | 113 | 0.4 | Lenny DiNardo |
| Jake Walsh | 8.1 | 3.6 | 1.4 | 9.1% | 20.7% | .294 | 88 | 113 | 0.3 | Ben Simon |
| Dalton Roach | 6.7 | 3.4 | 1.4 | 8.6% | 16.7% | .298 | 83 | 120 | 0.3 | Jason Johnson |
| Wade LeBlanc | 6.6 | 2.6 | 1.5 | 6.8% | 16.8% | .295 | 85 | 118 | 0.3 | Chris Michalak |
| Evan Kruczynski | 7.8 | 4.4 | 1.4 | 10.8% | 19.4% | .295 | 83 | 121 | 0.2 | Bryan Price |
| Kodi Whitley | 9.3 | 3.8 | 1.2 | 9.8% | 24.1% | .288 | 100 | 100 | 0.2 | Derrick Turnbow |
| T.J. Zeuch | 5.9 | 3.1 | 1.5 | 7.9% | 14.9% | .289 | 81 | 123 | 0.2 | Jason McCommon |
| Jordan Hicks | 10.2 | 5.4 | 1.0 | 13.7% | 25.8% | .282 | 100 | 100 | 0.2 | Brad Voyles |
| Grant Black | 7.1 | 4.4 | 1.0 | 11.0% | 17.6% | .297 | 88 | 114 | 0.1 | William Vaughan |
| Andrew Miller | 9.8 | 4.2 | 1.2 | 10.4% | 24.3% | .304 | 99 | 101 | 0.1 | Norm Charlton |
| Alex FaGalde | 6.5 | 3.8 | 1.4 | 9.4% | 16.2% | .289 | 81 | 123 | 0.1 | Sean Lowe |
| Junior Fernández | 8.5 | 4.6 | 0.9 | 11.5% | 21.2% | .294 | 98 | 103 | 0.1 | Bill Snyder |
| Ryan Helsley | 9.3 | 4.9 | 1.3 | 12.3% | 23.5% | .286 | 91 | 110 | 0.1 | Todd Wellemeyer |
| Jake Woodford | 7.0 | 3.9 | 1.6 | 9.6% | 17.4% | .283 | 80 | 124 | 0.0 | Cliff Speck |
| Jacob Bosiokovic | 8.6 | 4.4 | 1.0 | 11.1% | 21.7% | .295 | 94 | 106 | 0.0 | Gerry Hannahs |
| Freddy Pacheco | 10.1 | 6.0 | 1.1 | 14.8% | 24.8% | .292 | 93 | 107 | 0.0 | Rafael Pimentel |
| Seth Elledge | 8.9 | 4.7 | 1.3 | 11.8% | 22.4% | .291 | 91 | 110 | 0.0 | Roy Corcoran |
| Edgar Escobar | 8.5 | 3.9 | 1.2 | 9.9% | 21.8% | .292 | 92 | 108 | 0.0 | Todd Erdos |
| Garrett Williams | 7.9 | 5.6 | 1.2 | 13.7% | 19.3% | .291 | 83 | 121 | 0.0 | Mike Williams |
| Cory Thompson | 6.7 | 3.4 | 1.1 | 8.6% | 16.8% | .297 | 92 | 109 | -0.1 | Ehren Wassermann |
| Kyle Ryan | 7.6 | 3.9 | 1.3 | 9.8% | 19.1% | .293 | 91 | 110 | -0.1 | Pete Burnside |
| T.J. McFarland | 5.7 | 2.9 | 1.2 | 7.4% | 14.7% | .286 | 92 | 109 | -0.1 | Chad Zerbe |
| Justin Miller | 7.6 | 3.2 | 1.4 | 8.2% | 19.2% | .293 | 90 | 111 | -0.1 | Mike James |
| Kyle Leahy | 5.1 | 3.7 | 1.2 | 9.0% | 12.5% | .297 | 78 | 128 | -0.1 | Yoel Hernandez |
| Tyler Webb | 8.5 | 4.7 | 1.2 | 11.8% | 21.5% | .285 | 88 | 113 | -0.1 | Matt Whisenant |
| Connor Jones | 6.6 | 5.4 | 0.8 | 13.0% | 16.1% | .297 | 85 | 117 | -0.1 | Ryan Henderson |
| Johan Quezada | 6.8 | 4.9 | 1.1 | 11.8% | 16.4% | .301 | 81 | 124 | -0.2 | Rick Greene |
| Brandon Waddell | 7.3 | 5.0 | 1.4 | 12.1% | 17.6% | .297 | 77 | 130 | -0.2 | Matt White |
| Jesus Cruz | 8.9 | 5.3 | 1.4 | 12.7% | 21.5% | .302 | 81 | 123 | -0.3 | Mike MacDougal |
| Edgar Gonzalez | 6.1 | 4.0 | 1.6 | 9.8% | 14.9% | .298 | 74 | 135 | -0.3 | Patrick Coogan |
| Griffin Roberts | 4.3 | 6.4 | 1.2 | 14.7% | 10.0% | .293 | 67 | 150 | -0.5 | Rob Purvis |
| James Naile | 5.5 | 3.1 | 1.6 | 7.6% | 13.6% | .298 | 76 | 132 | -0.5 | Carl Willis |
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I’m really curious to see if the Cardinals have something in Juan Yepez. I was surprised to see him grade out positively on the defensive side as most scouting reports I’ve read portray him as a poor defender. It’s also worth noting that Steamer has him at 117 wRC+ vs 105 for Zips. He’s only 23 and had a dominant statistical year between AA/AAA last year. Seems like there’s some really solid upside there and if he can play solid defense, that raises his floor significantly.
The fact that they put him on the playoff roster (for the wild card) without him every playing in MLB shows they have some confidence in him, too. If/when there’s a DH in the NL in 2022, I’m guessing first dibs will belong to Yepez as long as he has a decent Spring
As I recall he would’ve batted in the top of the 10th, if McFarland/Reyes could’ve gotten through the bottom of the 9th with the game still tied.
They’ll sign at least a platoon option for DH rather than relying entirely on internal options there. Maybe we’ll see a Yepez/Pujols platoon?
I’m not sure that makes sense. Pujols was a below-average hitter last season and has been since 2017. Even with his decent start in LA, he was barely average there, and he’s gonna be another year older. Yepez and Pujols are both righties, so I dunno how a platoon would work. Steamer has Yepez at a 117 wRC+ and Pujols at a 98 wRC+, so I’d just stick with Yepez and pick up a lefty. Brad Miller just put up a 123 wRC+ against righties, has made a career of hitting righties well, and has some positional versatility.
Agree all around, tdouglas. Another problem with Pujols is if he becomes totally unplayable you can’t really cut him (or even hide him on the bench) without creating a fair amount of controversy.
No, Pujols is absolutely a bench bat if he can’t platoon, just like he was with the Dodgers last year after their starters got healthy. Nobody would have any problem with that at all!
Pujols has not been a below average hitter against lefties, though. He works just fine as a platoon bat.
Ah, I thought Yepez was a lefty. Well, he’s still unproven to the point that I’ll still put the odds on Pujols having a better offensive 2022 if he’s kept in a strict platoon.
Either way, the Cardinals do at the very least need a lefty bench bat even if the DH doesn’t come to the NL next year.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in ZiPS defensive projections. For example, Gorman rates really high, but we know he’s not good. He has the same Def projection as Dejong and a better projection than Sosa, which is absurd. The 105 wRC+ projection for Yepez is really good, though. There aren’t too many rookies who get that kind of projection, especially when they aren’t lauded prospects.
A Brad Miller return could give STL a bomb-ass DH platoon for cheap. It at least gives them a solid pinch hitter, which has been a big weakness over the years.
That is a set of huge projections on O’Neill and Edman. I’ll take the under on Edman and the over on Bader–the computer doesn’t know that Bader had surgery that helped correct his balance and now he’s not destined to be Kevin Pillar from here on out. I think he’s on the same level as Trent Grisham and Luis Robert, defensive aces who we think will hit enough to be all-stars, Top 10 CFs in MLB. I’m not sure what to make of O’Neill but if I had to guess whether he or Javier Baez (another confounding player) will hit better in 2022 I’ll take O’Neill without thinking twice. He hit really, really well last year, so I think the projection here makes sense.
Is Mikolas healthy? If he’s healthy then I think they’ll have four guys who can’t be optioned and Dakota Hudson. So landing another guy would mean Hudson goes back to AAA or the bullpen if everyone’s healthy. There’s a ton of risk here and it’s not by any means an elite rotation, but I’d probably focus more on the bullpen instead. There are a number of interesting guys left out there (McHugh, Tepera, Chafin) who would boost this team’s fortunes considerably,
I agree on O’Neill because I think there is actually still some upside from his 2021 numbers. He had some stretches in 2021 that looked pretty clearly like adjustment periods – if he smooths those out a bit in 2022 we are looking at 40+ homers
Hard disagree on Bader. I don’t understand how he has out-hit his advanced numbers for years, but it has to catch up to him at some point, right? In 2021, he was in the bottom 7% in average exit velocity, bottom 16% in xwOBA, bottom 19% in BB%…even his calling card — good power in center field — was worse than his SLG portrayed (bottom 31% in xSLG). He’s still a good player, but I don’t see the upside in his bat.
He just feels like one of those guys who pitchers are one adjustment away from really dominating, causing Bader’s offense to crater. As a big fan, I’ll love him all the same.
Wow, basically a 4 win projection for Tommy Edman! I could certainly see that happening, but kind of surprised that is the median.
Must be that ZIPS has factored in the devil magic. Otherwise I can’t see it.
Seems high, for sure. He is an incredible baserunner and excellent defender, though, so his floor is super high. It wouldn’t take much to get him to 4 WAR.
Edman was pretty much a 4 win player according to Baseball-Reference’s version of War last year, so his projection doesn’t surprise me.
Well, they are also considering the possibility that Gorman has a good rookie year and steals playing time away at 2B.
I’d be very surprised if Liberatore gets this many innings/starts, but pleasantly surprised to see the projections don’t think he’ll be overmatched.
What a well-run organization. You can complain that they don’t go for it enough, but it’s almost always a quality product.
Uhhhh… ZiPS thinks Nolan Gorman is almost as good as third base defender as Nolan Arenado?
Is Zips trolling Mets fans with the Matz comp?
My thoughts exactly.
Weird comp given that Matz is average and Matlack had a HOF-caliber start to his career before he got injured.
Of course, people from that era will tell you that pitchers were manlier back then and that they never got seriously injured
Maybe it’s an alphabetical comp.
Thanks for doing these, Dan! They’re always interesting to read. Since the Cardinals are known for having a solid defender at most positions, I’m curious – does ZiPS take into account team defense when projecting pitcher ERA?
The WAR totals in the graphic for LF (4.4) & CF (4.3) are quite a bit higher than those listed at the linked depth chart, 3.6 WAR each. Just curious what is driving that difference?
Usually Dan puts a disclaimer in there, or a pedantic note if I recall, stating that the graphs WAR numbers are from depth charts and they don’t match the numbers from his tables.
When I watch Jack Flaherty, I see a good pitcher. When I see here that he’s basically Pete Harnisch, it makes me reconsider everything I think about Jack Flaherty.
I’m gonna take the under at catcher. From May 1 to the end of the season, Molina was worth about 0 WAR. He tried an ambush/power approach that fooled pitchers for a month, but they adjusted quickly. Molina adds unquantifiable value with his work with pitchers, but he could be one of the worst-hitting regulars in MLB. Shildt inexplicably hit Molina in big lineup spots (often 5th or 6th), which would be a disaster in 2022. Maybe this was one of the big unknown disagreements between the front office and Shildt that led to his demise. We’ll see what the new manager does.
I’m sure the team would be ecstatic with a 2.5 WAR performance from rookie Gorman, but that defensive projection is way too high; he’s not a butcher — which he deserves credit for after being forced to switch positions — but he’s not good at second. I’m slightly disappointed in Donovan’s projection, but it makes sense. I watched a ton of Memphis’ games, and he consistently took solid AB’s and showed solid power, smoking one ball off the left field pole. I’m hoping for a little Devil Magic for him.
Maybe offensively, but Molina was still a significantly above-average defensive catcher all season long last year.
Yeah, I was only talking about his offense and how bad he was and will be, although I’d argue about the defense. His framing has fallen off precipitously and is now below-average, according to Statcast. Fangraphs had his defense as 16th in the league. He is no longer above-average, let alone significantly above-average. We are both Cards fans, so I know you saw the same thing I did in 2021 — Molina routinely botched plays that he made with no effort just a few years ago.
I would let Molina start at catcher until his flesh atrophied and turned to dust, but fans should be realistic about his on-field contributions going forward.
I think there is still solid added value in Molina’s ability to stop the running game by just being behind the plate. STL pitchers seem to be good at holding runners, but Molina has to get some (a lot?) of credit for keeping runners closer and limiting SBA. Only KC has less SBA and less SB against than STL. Maybe he isn’t as good as he used to be, but it seems that teams don’t believe that yet.
I hated Mike Shildt’s inability to properly construct a lineup (Paul DeJong, cleanup hitter?!). It must be acknowledged however, that Yadier Molina hitting 5th or 6th made perfect sense, as he has always been a distinctly better batter with men on base. In 2021 the difference was among the largest of his career:
Bases Empty .566 OPS
Men On Base .794
Scoring Position .832
For his 18-year career, it’s .692 empty, and .780-.785 with M.O.B. and R.I.S.P., so in a roughly league-average offensive lineup like St. Louis has, Molina makes sense in an “RBI spot” even during his late career decline as a hitter.
To be fair, DeJong made for a decent cleanup hitter at the beginning of last season before we found out his bat would crater and O’Neill’s would break out. It wasn’t long before he was dropped in the order.
Completely disagree.
Entering the 2021 season, Shildt had Arenado & Goldschmidt on his roster, two excellent hitters who have both been even better — much better — throughout their careers at hitting with men on base. Hitting DeJong in the cleanup spot for even a day made zero sense, with two vastly superior choices available.
Entering 2021, DeJong was (and remains) a league-average bat, who moreover has no history of being better with men on base. In fact, with RISP he’s hit distinctly *worse*. On the other hand, when batting 6th or lower, he’s got an OPS over .800 for his career. That’s where he should hit.
And as for Shildt, he hit Carpenter in the top 5 lineup slots on 77 occasions and was rewarded with a roughly .220 slugging percentage. And finally, Shildt notoriously hit Bader only in the bottom of the order, even versus southpaws, against whom Bader has mashed his entire professional career. Losing Shildt means addition by subtraction for the St. Louis offense.
Most players hit better with men on base. It’s not a skill Molina possesses anymore than anyone else. Bad pitchers are more likely to put batters on ahead of you, and are easier for anyone to hit. I’m sure guys have had years where they did not hit much better with men on base, but nearly everyone does it over a decent career. It also explains why hitting is said to be contagious. Since nearly everyone hits better with men in base, if your teammates are on base ahead of you more frequently, then you should hit better when they are hitting. It is way harder to hit on a bad team than a good team because you hit with guys on less, and pitchers pitch around you more!
Major league players in general DO indeed hit better with men on base. Absolutely true. But year after year the league-wide differential is generally just 35-40 points of OPS, and Molina’s differential is nearly three times that, over a long, long career.
Look, if you are uncomfortable saying that Molina is “clutch,” then you can just say that Molina’s real ability as a hitter is being displayed with men on base, and his extreme differential can be attributed to his trouble concentrating with nobody on!
Either way the result is the same: Molina has been *vastly* better with men on base. Some hitters are like that, Arenado and Goldschmidt among them. Some are not.
There’s more to catcher defense than framing. He still has an excellent arm and does an above-average job at blocking.
ZiPS is underestimating the starting rotation. Flaherty, Mikolas, and Hudson are legitimate #1, 2, and 3 starters respectively when healthy. Meanwhile, Reyes, and Jake Woodford are perfectly adequate #6 and 7 options before they need to worry about calling up Liberatore.
The bullpen definitely needs work, though.
I don’t know about Hudson being a 3 starter. His peripherals show a back end starter (4-5) more than a mid rotation guy. 4.66 career FIP with a 3.13 career ERA says he’s been extremely lucky to play with the defense he has behind him.
His peripherals don’t matter when he’s shown multiple years of actual results as a #3-4 starter. Hudson is clearly one of those pitchers who will consistently beat his peripherals.
Besides, the defense behind him is now better than ever.
All can be true: Hudson’s strengths are underrated by FIP, and he benefits enormously from a great defense, and he’s been lucky. As long as the first two hold then he should be an effective pitcher for the team next year, and that’s all that matters. The point of the sport isn’t having the lowest FIP. If you can play an effective player at minimum salary then you’re winning. Even with an ERA of 4 he’s a valuable player. That’s a 3/4 starter level coming from the expected 5 starter.
The team’s view is that Flaherty-Wainwright-Matz are the 1-2-3. But I think people are sleeping a little on Mikolas. He’s been very effective when healthy, and by all accounts he’s healthy. His cameo at the end of last season was encouraging. If Matz, Mikolas, and Hudson all play up with the help of the defense then the rotation could be good enough for the regular season at least.
I think you’re way too optimistic in expecting that those three are legit 1-2-3. Lefty detailed Hudson’s good fortune (he’s never put up more than 1 war in a season). Mikolas has thrown 40 innings in the last two seasons and his 2019 was more solid than actual #2 variety. Flaherty may reach that #1 status, but he’s not there right now (pretty close in 2019).
For symmetry’s sake, I think of 1-5 pitchers as a 5-4-3-2-1 in terms of WAR. Those three certainly don’t fit that definition even when healthy, but that may not matter as the rest of their rotation (Waino, Matz, with Libby in reserve) has a lot of depth.
It’s not an especially strong rotation, and there is a lot of downside since Flaherty and Mikolas are hurt a lot, Wainwright is 40, Matz is inconsistent, and Hudson’s track record is short and his peripherals paint an ambiguous picture of his future success. When healthy, it looks like two #3 pitchers (Wainwright, Flaherty), two #2 pitchers (Mikolas, Matz) and a #4/#5 (Hudson). It’s not terrible or anything…if everyone stays healthy.
This is a team that is going to win with excellent defense and a strong lineup and hope their pitching is good enough. Of teams that could be reasonably considered contenders in the NL, the pitching is definitely behind most of them (the Brewers, Phillies, Dodgers, Mets, and Braves) and probably behind the rest (Padres, Giants). It’s not what you’d want, but they’re still co-favorites with the Brewers for the division at this point on the strength of the position players. They could really use some bullpen help, though.
Flaherty as a #3 is absolutely ridiculous! A healthy Flaherty is obviously an ace!
Meanwhile, Matz is more of a #4 or #5, a little behind Hudson.
Flaherty is projected by every major system to be worth between 3 and 4 wins over a full season of work (180ish innings). That’s a 3. Had one year where he was a strong #2, but the guy has been hit really hard in the 120 innings he’s had since then, with a 5 xERA. That’s not even close to an ace. That’s more like Tommy Milone. I don’t think that’s his true talent level either but aces don’t ever look like Tommy Milone.
Not many teams are getting 3-4 WAR out of a #3 starter except the Dodgers. I would also agree that Flaherty definitely should project higher than Matz.
There were 29 pitchers in MLB who accrued 3 fWAR or more in 2021. There are 30 MLB franchises. So in between 3 and 4 WAR cannot mean that’s a #3 pitcher unless you’re using an unexplained system of your own.
Flaherty had one of the greatest second halves of any MLB pitcher. Tommy Milone never did that. In the year after that he was doing his side work throwing against a mattress in a hotel room. In the year after that he started off excellently before he hurt himself swinging a bat.
If healthy he’s a solid 2 with 1 potential, with 3 as his downside. He just turned 26. The book is definitely not closed on him yet.
Hudson is obviously someone who will consistently beat his peripherals, and Flaherty was absolutely an ace in both the second half of 2019 and before he got hurt last season.
A full year of Flaherty at his best is absolutely worth at least 5 WAR, Mikolas put up 4.5 bWAR in 2018 and also had a pretty good 2019, while Hudson put up 1.8 bWAR in 2019. I guess that makes Hudson closer to a #4, but then they’ve also got Matz and Wainwright.
Don’t forget that they also have Reyes and Woodford as depth before they even need to consider Liberatore.
Reyes and woodford maybe, but they might help more in that bullpen.
The rest of your assessment seems pretty inaccurate. Why is it certain that Hudson will perform his peripherals? Because he did it for one season? He’s much closer to a 4, which is fine.
Flaherty is the best of the bunch, but he’s only put up five WAR in one season. He was hurt in 2021, and even if 2020 was a full season, he certainly wasn’t going to put up five wins pitching like he did. So you’ve got one five win season that’s three years in the rear view now. I think he’s likely topping out at a 2, unless we see something big this year.
Mikolas’ one big season is even farther in the rearview. He was more meh (4 range) in 2019, didnt pitch in 20, and was meh over 45 innings in 21. How could one reasonably assume he’d be a 3 if he hadn’t pitched close to that level in (counts on fingers) four seasons?
None of these guys are bad. And there are a lot of them, which is huge because pitchers get hurt. Maybe Flaherty stays healthy and takes that big step. Maybe Hudson cuts his walk rate. I wouldn’t count on all the bad things happening again in 22, which is good. But there is no real objective way to view these pitchers that way because they aren’t as good as you’re making them out to me. At least not at the moment.
I see the rotation as having an unusually wide range of possible outcomes — seems like too much talent to be mediocre…but also far too much injury history to say they’ll be good.
When it comes to Dakota Hudson, though, I don’t understand the rampant skepticism. The guy has *always* outperformed his FIP, since the day he was drafted. Specifically, he’s had three professional seasons where he’s logged 110+ innings, and each time he beat his FIP by at least a full run.
In 2017 at AA his ERA beat his FIP by a margin of 2.53 to 3.64. One year later in AAA his ERA was 2.50 and FIP was 3.54. And in his one full MLB season (175 IP in 2019) his ERA was 3.35 and FIP 4.93. In fact, over 4 MLB seasons his ERA is 1.52 lower than his FIP (3.14 v. 4.66). He’s got velocity, movement, a pitcher’s park, and an elite infield defense behind him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he continues to beat his FIP by a run or more while in St. Louis.
My favorite comp name today: CHAIRON ISENIA. 309 PAs at AA in 2006, never to be seen or heard from again. With a 68 wRC+ they were a pretty forgettable 309 PAs. Still, that name alone is worth a couple of WAR.
Ali Sanchez has quite the similar hitting profile, but has made a minor league career out of it, kicking around the (mostly low) minors for years.
Lester and Happ amusingly comping to Jerry Reuss reminds me of Scipio Spinks. Scipio was possibly better than Reuss until he unfortunately suffered a serious injury sliding into Johnny Bench while pinch running. In those days fast starting pitchers were sometimes used as pinch runners. His playing career was basically over.
All first born sons in Scipio’s family were named Scipio dating back several generations. Scipio became a father that year. He was relieved to have a daughter so he wouldn’t have to name the child Scipio.
He named her Scipia
This inspired me to look up his profile on SABR. He got hurt in a collision with Johnny Bench that more or less ended his career before it really got started, and it’s too bad because he sounds like a whole lot of fun. Big fastball, problems hitting the strike zone, so fast he was used as a pinch runner, had a large stuffed animal that he would bring to public events and play with, once used his knowledge of radar guns to convince a cop he wasn’t speeding.