Aaron Judge and the 600 Club

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While he went 0-for-3 in New York’s shutout loss, the Yankees breathed a sigh of relief last night as Aaron Judge returned from the IL after a mercifully short stint. Since debuting in the majors, Judge has been an offensive powerhouse, but one who got off to a relatively late start and endured plenty of injury misfortune. Go back five years, and the big question was whether he could stay healthy enough for the Yankees to plan around him, not what the numbers on his Cooperstown plaque would be should he manage a long big league career. Now, the idea of him not making the Hall of Fame seems like a charmingly naïve anachronism, a bit like wondering if Netflix would be able to survive the shift to streaming.

In the last four-plus seasons, Judge has hit 233 home runs, almost tripling his career total, and has seemingly destroyed what appeared to be the modern ceiling for obtainable WAR from a hitter who doesn’t also pitch in his spare time. It now looks like Judge may be up to 400 career homers well before the end of next season. So just where is his ceiling now? And can anyone challenge him as the Chief Justice of the Longball for this generation?

Let’s go back to 2020 for a minute. I fired up the ZiPS projection system and asked the computer to provide me with Judge’s career projections after that season. While he had always been a feared hitter, winning AL Rookie of the Year honors in 2017, he was just finishing his age-28 season and had only played one actual full season in the majors. And despite having a 52-home run campaign in his rear view, his career total of 119 homers was relatively pedestrian, behind players like Maikel Franco, Rob Deer, and Randal Grichuk through the same age. Judge didn’t do any better by the fancy-pantséd numbers, ranking 488th all-time in WAR through age 28, and that’s just the position players. The ZiPS projection for him at the time told the tale of an extremely talented slugger who couldn’t stay on the field, one who, if he proved especially unfortunate in the years to come, might not get the 5% of the vote necessary to stay on the Hall of Fame ballot.

Note that these projections contain the improvements to the model I’ve made over the last five years, but they do not “cheat,” and are unaware of any performance after 2020:

ZiPS Projection – Aaron Judge (After 2020)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2021 .273 .383 .547 466 91 127 21 1 35 80 81 161 4 153 5.8
2022 .266 .377 .531 467 89 124 20 1 34 78 81 159 4 147 5.4
2023 .258 .371 .508 457 85 118 19 1 31 74 80 155 3 140 4.6
2024 .251 .365 .486 442 79 111 18 1 28 68 77 150 3 132 4.3
2025 .244 .357 .467 422 72 103 17 1 25 61 72 145 2 125 3.5
2026 .231 .343 .429 394 64 91 15 0 21 53 66 137 2 112 2.5
2027 .231 .342 .419 360 56 83 14 0 18 46 59 126 1 109 2.1
2028 .228 .340 .414 324 50 74 12 0 16 40 53 115 1 107 1.8
2029 .225 .335 .400 325 48 73 12 0 15 39 52 116 1 102 1.5
2030 .218 .327 .377 289 41 63 10 0 12 33 45 105 1 94 1.0
2031 .217 .324 .372 253 34 55 9 0 10 27 39 93 1 92 0.8
2032 .209 .317 .355 211 27 44 7 0 8 22 32 78 0 86 0.4
2033 .208 .313 .338 154 19 32 5 0 5 15 23 58 0 80 0.1

Those aren’t bleak projections, in that they see Judge staying an offensive threat for quite a while, but the numbers were not bullish about his health. That makes sense; historically, players who are injured a lot in their 20s don’t become models of health in their 30s. ZiPS thought he’d be good enough to finish with 53 WAR and threaten the 400-homer mark, but that’s a career similar to Lance Berkman, not an inner-circle Hall of Famer. Now, there’s a good chance that I would have voted for this version of Judge, but I’m also far more of a peak guy at most; I likely would have voted for the actual Berkman to make the Hall, and I would have been an easy nod for Johan Santana.

Well, Judge has eviscebliterated those projections (sorry, I needed a new word). Indeed, without the injured toe in 2023, Judge may already have reached the home run total that’s projected for the entire rest of his career. At 58.4 WAR — ZiPS did not see Judge’s stint as a shockingly competent 6-foot-7 center fielder coming — he’s already eclipsed his previous career WAR projection. He’s not even finished with his age-33 season, yet he already ranks higher all-time in home runs among players in their 30s (tied for 88th) than he did among players in their 20s (tied for 212th).

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Rolling a new projection for Judge through Tuesday’s games shows just how much his career projections have changed the last few years:

ZiPS Projection – Aaron Judge (Through August 5, 2025)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .291 .421 .631 501 109 146 24 1 48 116 109 171 8 185 8.2
2027 .280 .411 .592 503 104 141 23 1 44 108 108 174 7 172 7.0
2028 .270 .399 .554 471 91 127 21 1 37 93 99 166 6 159 5.6
2029 .253 .385 .503 435 78 110 19 0 30 78 90 158 4 143 4.1
2030 .240 .371 .462 396 66 95 16 0 24 64 80 149 4 128 2.9
2031 .226 .357 .423 359 56 81 14 0 19 52 71 142 3 115 1.8
2032 .223 .354 .410 327 48 73 13 0 16 45 63 131 2 110 1.4
2033 .218 .345 .396 298 42 65 11 0 14 39 56 120 2 104 0.9

Decline is an inevitability for Judge, as it is for every player (and for all of us), but with better health and a higher peak, his glide through his 30s looks a lot more gentle. With another 16 homers projected in 2025 in the full ZiPS model, the system now projects Judge to finish his career with exactly 600 home runs (ZiPS gives him almost no chance of retiring with 590-599 homers since it’s milestone-aware). Hitting 442 home runs from age 30 on would be the second-most in history, behind only Barry Bonds, and 92.8 WAR is Hall of Fame shoo-in territory. And there’s even a 12% chance that Mike Trout falls short of Judge on the WAR front despite the massive head start!

Who else is likely to join Judge in the home runs list? Here’s everyone the projections see with a 15% chance of getting to 500:

ZiPS Projection – Homer Probabilities
Player 500 Homers 600 Homers 700 Homers
Aaron Judge 79% 58% 4%
Juan Soto 71% 47% 6%
Shohei Ohtani 69% 42% 1%
Giancarlo Stanton 44% 7% 0%
Yordan Alvarez 44% 22% 2%
Bryce Harper 44% 17% 2%
Mike Trout 38% 19% 2%
Manny Machado 37% 18% 0%
Pete Alonso 33% 13% 0%
Elly De La Cruz 29% 9% 0%
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. 26% 18% 1%
Fernando Tatis Jr. 26% 14% 2%
Freddie Freeman 19% 2% 0%
Julio Rodriguez 17% 9% 0%
Ronald Acuña Jr. 17% 11% 1%
Kyle Schwarber 15% 5% 0%

Only three players, including Judge, project as having at least a 50/50 chance of passing 500 home runs. Despite his age, ZiPS now thinks there’s a reasonable chance that Judge just keeps mashing and passes the 700 homer mark, something that would have seemed absolutely fanciful during the darkest days of COVID. They aren’t perfect contemporaries given their ages, but Judge vs. Soto might end up being one of the biggest internet flame war arguments of the 2030s! (I’d recommend staying out of it.)

Judge’s return from the injured list on Tuesday came at just the right time for the reeling Yankees, who have lost five straight and are now three games out of second place in AL East. But if anyone can set fire to the pennant race, it’s the man sometimes accidentally known as Arson Judge.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago

“but the numbers were not bullish about his health”

“but with better health and a higher peak”

I’m still not sold on him holding up physically but those updated AB projections are actually pretty conservative.

BPMember since 2025
1 year ago

I understand why ZiPS is bearish on his playing time, but seeing Mike Trout at 38% to get to 500 is shocking.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  BP

I think I’d take the over with him likely being less than 100 away and the DH to keep him hitting.

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018🏆 MVP
1 year ago

Agreed. But that K% is creeping up. And yet he is still a joy to watch when the ball falls in or when that bat makes contact. A rarely heard sound.

Last edited 1 year ago by LaBellaVita
TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
1 year ago

He’s also got five years left on that contract and I’m guessing he will relent to a DH role permanently sooner rather than later and he should blow past 500.

I’m surprised to see Soto’s odds for 500 but very surprised that he is almost a coin flip for 600 since he’s only at 226 right now and other than his one season playing 81 games in Yankee stadium the most he’s ever hit is mid-30s. I guess the contract makes it very likely that he plays 13-14 more seasons after this one. He also very well may eventually start trading his player discipline for power later in his career, like Joey Votto did.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Do you think we’ve seen the best Soto season overall that we’re going to see?

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

I would say so, he looked fully developed when he started.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

This is Juan Soto’s age 26 season.

Judge had 83 HR at the end of his age-26 season.

Harper had 219 at season’s end.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
1 year ago

It’s really hard to accumulate 600+ homers without several 40+ or even 50+ homer seasons. Soto’s walk rate and line-drive swing both currently make that seem unlikely. It took him having just an otherworldly season playing in a small ballpark to get barely over 40. It feels like he’d need to age very gracefully to get to 600 or change his approach. If his next eight seasons match his first eight, even accounting for 2020, he’ll be 35 years old and more than 100 away.

kingofdiamondsMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Every current player in the 600+ homer club had at least 6 40-homer seasons, with most of them managing 2 or 3 through their age-26 seasons (which Soto could still do if he hits enough homers in the last two months), and I’d agree he seems likely to get lots of 30-homer seasons but few 40-homer seasons.

Soto’s actually ahead of 6 of the 9 players in the 600-homer club through age 26 and needs just 11 more homers to tie Griffey’s total through that age, but he’d be far from the first player to get this far by debuting early and having lots of power but not last long enough to get to 600. Just goes to show that to pull that off you need to keep hitting lots of homers well into your thirties (which at least three of them had some, ahem, pharmaceutical help with)

AnonMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  BP

Agreed. His player page has the pre-season ZiPS projections for 2025-27 and it doesn’t have him getting to 600 PA total over the next 2 years and only 29 HR total over the next 2 years. And that was before he went out and became a 30% K guy this year.

That contract is really not going to age well at all.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  BP

Yea 5.3 more seasons and only needs 102 home runs. I’d say about 38% he doesn’t get there. Even though seeing 1.5 war by his name this late in the season hits me right in the feelers

rickdugo3000
1 year ago

Red Sox have won 7 in a row, extended Roman Anthony.

Yankees have lost 5 in a row, slid from a commanding division lead to the edge of a playoff birth.

Here’s an article about Aaron judge. Lmao.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Red Sox fans have a whole thread psychoanalyzing craig breslow on Davy Andrews’s latest column where you might be happier

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

What is there to analyze?

We all know he’s a Fuckin’ Stiff.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Do you think that they weren’t going to write an article about Anthony?

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
1 year ago

This is not the point lol, but I’m surprised not to see Alonso on that chart. He’s halfway to 500 and puts up 40 per year pretty comfortably.

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

LOL fair enough

OddBall Herrera
1 year ago

For me to get on the “Ohtani has a nearly 70% shot of hitting 500 homers” train, I would need to know that he is giving up pitching

JeremyMember since 2016
1 year ago

Why? Pitching hasn’t really cost him that many games at the plate, has it?

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy

No, it hasn’t, but I’d say it’s likely not a coincidence that his best offensive season was the year he only DH’ed.

OddBall Herrera
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy

And everyone knows that if it hasn’t happened before, it can’t happen in the future, right?

The point is that even without injury, pitching every 5 days takes a toll on your body and that toll can be expected to grow as he enters his mid 30s.

Then take into account that he got very lucky with his recent TJS. The injury happened in essentially the optimal time of the season to minimize games missed. If that happens in April, he’s lost most of if not all of a season. It’s also possible to bat relatively early on in rehab from TJS, which is not the case for other common pitcher injuries – if he messes up his shoulder, he is not DHing through that.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago

“that toll can be expected to grow as he enters his mid 30s.”

^^^This^^^

dangledangleMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

I keep waiting to see if he will take the Babe Ruth path and convert to an outfielder he has the athleticism and arm to be something special.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  dangledangle

I wonder is there’s a scenario in which he can just work out of the bullpen as a closer.

I know he’s said he likes pitching more than hitting.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy

I am really nervous about him blowing out his arm. He’s already done it twice, and I assume he will do it again, and he misses time when that happens.

But maybe after the next time he gives it up? Probably not, but that would go a long way towards his availability.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think Ohtani makes his own rules. I think that if he tells the team he is going to continue pitching, he will continue pitching. Looked pretty amazing yesterday. Sure maybe outfield and relief pitching would be his best route. People can’t see that happening because no one has done it, but no one has done what he does anyway. With that said, I don’t think he has any interest in just pitching out of the bullpen, and will continue pitching as long as he can.

JeremyMember since 2016
1 year ago

How would Judge compare in games played in these projections to other players with 600 career HRs?

Jon L.Member since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy

Fewer 🙂

JeremyMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon L.

Ha, yeah I figured probably fewer since he’s set “fastest to X HRs” records, but I’m curious if it’s a big enough gap to be yet another Judge leaderboard to marvel at.

dangledangleMember since 2024
1 year ago

Just a couple of days ago I was wondering if he has already punched his ticket to Cooperstown and by many measures with his season to date he has crossed the threshold. One thing that might raise an issue for this whole generation of players is if there is another lockout which seems likely.

Also there needs to be an article about what is going wrong with Mookie this year.

Last edited 1 year ago by dangledangle
96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  dangledangle

I suspect that the mystery illness that cost him 25 pounds right before the season killed his season. His bat speed metrics bear that out.

I also wonder if playing SS fulltime is wearing him down but given the offensive collapse is so drastic I lean towards the former.

PressXToJason
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

This and he’s now had multiple nagging hand/wrist injuries. We know how power can disappear with those.

AnonMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  dangledangle

The other thing about this season that punched his ticket is he met the 10 year criteria this year.

kuri3460Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  dangledangle

I think Judge has crossed the HOF threshold already. This year was his 10th in the majors, and he’s been so utterly dominant that even if his career ending tomorrow, there would be a very strong argument for him as the “Sandy Koufax” of hitters.

Your point about a future lockout makes me think about the COVID season and how that may affect how HOF voters view today’s players. That was such an unprecedented time that I wonder if a number of stars will get “credit” for what they probably would have done, under a normal season.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  dangledangle

What Mookie has done his whole career never seemed sustainable. Of course he just kept on doing it forever, so then it seemed to be expected. Just seems hard to hit the ball that softly and have success. That is why I think a lot of it is the illness. A guy who is already very small and skinny, losing something like 1/5th to 1/6th of his body weight would likely be a huge deal. You have to imagine he bounces back next year, but I would be suprised if it is ever to peak levels again

MatthewMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  dangledangle

By Careeer wRC+ he is quite literally the greatest RHB of all time. Obviously he hasn’t had his decline phase yet, but he’s a lock for the HoF.

michaelmoore
1 year ago

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bada87bingMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  michaelmoore

Flint?

AnonMember since 2020
1 year ago

Fun fact: everyone in the 700 HR club had at least 7 40 HR seasons – Pujols (7), Aaron and Bonds (8), Ruth (11).

600 – 699 is: A-Rod (8), Mays (6), Junior (7), Thome (6), Sosa (7).

In the 500-599 range, the fewest was Murray (0); Ott, Williams and Frank Robinson (1); Sheffield, Miggy and Reggie (2) and everyone else had at least 3 40 HR seasons.

From the list: EDLC, Freeman, Julio, Machado and Yordan all have zero 40 HR seasons. Surprisingly, Stanton only has 1 (though I suppose it shouldn’t be that surprising given the injury issues). So do Tatis, Vlad, Soto and Harper. Judge, Ohtani, Trout, Schwarber and Alonso are tied for the most with 3, though Judge and Ohtani should make it 4 this year. Schwarber’s 3 already includes this year so he’s stuck on 3. Alonso has 3 but is a long-shot to make it there this year but if he goes on a tear and gets to 40 he’d also have 4. Trout has no shot at 40 (though he did go yard today to get to 20).

I’m surprised Freeman is this high on the 500 HR list and that he has any shot whatsoever at 600. He only has 356 right now, HR aren’t really a massive part of his game, and he’s already 35 and is clearly showing signs of slowing down. Just eyeballing the through-age-35 leaderboard, unless I missed someone it looks like the fewest HR for anyone who hit 500 was Ted Williams with 366. Next fewest in the “not an inner circle HOFer and on the short list for best hitter ever” tier was Eddie Murray with 398. Don’t see Freddie getting to 500.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

Yeah, Freddie seems like a 400 bombs guy with the legend doing the rest of the work.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

I’d be shocked if Freddie gets to 500.

I’d also be shocked if Tatis gets to 500. He’s just not player he was pre PED suspension and probably more importantly shoulder injury.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

Can Machado average 20 HRs a year from age 33 to 38 to put him just shy of 500? I’m assuming he gets to 30 this season.

AnonMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

I can absolutely see Machado pulling an Eddie Murray and squeezing over 500 with just consistency, durability and longevity. Since 2013, the only years he didn’t play 150 games were 2014, 2020 (he played every single game that year) and 2023, and he still managed over 600 PA in 2023.

That said, the chart has him at 18% for 600 and I’m just not seeing it. That seems really unlikely since he has never been a massive HR guy and everyone who hit 600 was.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

600 isn’t happening.

That’s a really good comp of Machado to Murray.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I don’t know what the writers think and I don’t care. After last season I think the only thing that would make him not be a Hall of Famer is if he just straight up quit. Or turned into a replacement player overnight. Which obviously didn’t happen.

His peak totals right now are so amazing that they are as good (or better) than a number of Hall of Famers’ careers. If that’s not a Hall of Famer I don’t know what is.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And yes, I still think his body falls apart soon but it doesn’t matter anymore. Players don’t do what he did very often. This level of offensive performance is like once in a decade stuff and he has done it twice, three times if he finishes out this year.

96mncMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

This guy was a little before my time but did (do) you consider Dale Murphy a HOFer?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  96mnc

No. He had some great years but not anything like what most Hall of Fame outfielders do.

At least the ones elected by the writers (the veterans committee selections can be dodgy).

Murphy was interesting, he had some monster years for the Braves, and he was often considered one of the best position players in MLB in the mid 1980s. But never *the* best.

crackbaldoMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I always thought Murphy and Parker were about the same. I think Parker had a slightly higher peak and a sharper decline, though.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m with you. I’m a peak guy and would vote for him now. For right fielders, he’s 15th in JAWS right now, and 7th in peak. If you just look at other outfielders, his peak is comparable or better to other guys who basically got in due to peak (Griffey, Kiner, DiMaggio, Larry Walker).

compucles
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Even if his production crashed immediately, I think he’d still get in through just his massive peak like Koufax, Dean, and eventually Posey.

duncanbishop1Member since 2020
1 year ago

I am surprised that Eugenio Suarez is not 15%+ group to be honest. He is sitting at 313 and is age 33. I don’t think it’s likely, but I would have given it a 1/6 shot or better.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
1 year ago
Reply to  duncanbishop1

If a team employed him and gave him regular playing time for the next five years, and he was healthy, he’d need to average about 35 homers a year. That would be a tall order, and his walk rates, which have never been great, are trending down and he looks like the kind of guy that once he can’t hit 35 homers anymore becomes a burden to keep in the lineup, like Chris Davis or Ryan Howard. He’s great right now but it’s easy to see him as a cliff guy.

ETA: he’s also an old 33, with a July birthday.

ETA2: the active leader in home runs age 34+ is Justin Turner at 108. The only two players to surpass 175 that didn’t retire more than five years ago are Albert Pujols and Nelson Cruz. Suarez getting to 500 would indeed be a huge outlier.

Last edited 1 year ago by TKDC
slamcactusMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

An outlier for sure, and I’m sure you’ve hit the nail on the head in terms of why ZiPS doesn’t put the odds at 15% or higher, but it’s still a bit surprising given that he’s a decent bet to match or beat his career high this year (in OPS+ as well as HR).

Dan devotes a whole series to publishing his ZiPS results and then looking a bit deeper at people he thinks the model’s discounting a bit. This is a good candidate for one of those, though you’re absolutely right that there’s a large risk he falls off a cliff instead of declining gradually.

slamcactusMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  duncanbishop1

I came here to say exactly this. The baseball world’s assumed his career’s over at least 3 different times and all he does is keep hitting dingers (even in his awful 2020 and 2021 seasons), and he’s on pace to set a career high at 33. Wild that the model has him at less than 15% to hit 187 more.

kingofdiamondsMember since 2025
1 year ago

Giving Yordan the same probability of 500 homers as Harper and Stanton feels very optimistic with regards to his health, he certainly has the power to do it but he’s missed a worrying amount of time in his career, is already 28 with only 167 homers, and I kinda doubt he’ll be getting healthier when he’s older. But then again, I probably would have said the same thing 5 years ago if you gave a 28-year-old Judge a near coin flip to reach 500 homers.

slamcactusMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  kingofdiamonds

I have a vague memory from years back that Dan may have written that ZiPS takes awhile to label position players as chronic injury risks because such a large percentage of position player injuries are random and unconnected. It’s also possible I’m completely making that up. Either way I agree, Yordan’s not a great long-term health bet.

It’s particularly surprising to see him with such higher odds than Guerrero, who has 11 more HR, is 2 years younger, and figures to expand that lead over the rest of this year.

kingofdiamondsMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  slamcactus

Yeah, that’s a bit odd. I can only assume ZiPS thinks that Guerrero is only a 30-homer guy without the juiced ball while Yordan is a 40-homer guy if he ever plays 162 games, but like I said, that’s ignoring the health issues Yordan has had. Guerrero’s the exact opposite, since 2020 he’s third in games played (behind Semien and Olson) and second in plate appearances (behind Semien).

Funnily enough, the two hit exactly the same number of homers from 2021 to 2024 (136 each), but Guerrero did it in a lot more games and PA.

Ryan
1 year ago
Reply to  kingofdiamonds

The even more surprising part was Zips giving Yordan a better than 1 in 5 shot at 600. That would take almost 45 bombs a year every year for the next decade (age 28-38). Don’t think there’s any chance of that

marchandman34Member since 2020
1 year ago

Yes on Lance Berkman, even before post-season credit.

tedoooooooooooMember since 2020
1 year ago

The intracices of ZiPS are such a delight. I absolutely loved learning that it incorporates how a player will chase that 600 HR milestone.

matthayden4Member since 2024
1 year ago

I know Stanton is at 439, but he’s 35 years old and his health has been a concern in his 30s, to say the least. It would not surprise me if he doesn’t get to 500.

PressXToJason
1 year ago
Reply to  matthayden4

It’s just very hard for me to write him off when he’s homering every 4th game he’s played this year, like he used to. He doesn’t need to stay all that healthy to turn that pace into 61 more homers. He could play 3 half-seasons and be there if he kept that pace up. Which I’m not assuming, but I certainly would expect most outcomes see him playing at least 2 more seasons of games, which really should be enough. Being 7/8s of the way there is a significant boon.

I just took a look, and he’s at 40.5 HR/162 games since the start of 2020/his age 30 season (39.2 per 162 starting in 2023). Playing about 116 games per year between 2021 and 2024, with 23 in 2020 and fewer than 90 possible this season. If we assume he plays ~100 games per year, which is fewer than he played in any single season between 2021 and 2024, and even assuming significant regression in HR rate, he can certainly get to 500 in the next 3 seasons (by the end of 2028) with “just” 30 HR/162.

RyanMember since 2024
1 year ago

I understand a lot of people really like Ohtani but his offensive only profile is massively over rated. I realize he didn’t start his MLB career at 20 like a lot of the names on the list, but he was playing professionally during that time. It’s not like Trout and Stanton forgot how to hit homers, their bodies just started breaking down. Ohtani’s at 264 now and if he generously hits 16 more would be around 280 through the end of his age 30 season. He’d need 27.5/per for the rest of his contract to get to 500 and 40 to get to 600.

I understand that I’m arguing against a model, but I just don’t understand how the overhype has infiltrated that. I understand that we’re likely looking at a player whose offensive only contributions would be HOF worthy, but we’re talking about like a Fred McGriff, Joey Votto HOF level. He flat out needs to replicate his first 8 seasons just to keep pace with those guys. He’s ‘only’ put up 33.6 fWAR and 33.5 bWAR through his age 29 seasons. His top 5 comps on BR are Ryan Howard, Fred McGriff, David Ortiz, Carlos Delgado and Willie McCovey. Again, that’s 3/5 hall of famers but all three needed every bit of the back half of their careers to get there. Only McCovey and Ortiz got to 500, and Howard didn’t even get to 400. Howard had the lowest WAR of that group but Ohtani is behind the offensive profile of the other 4 through age 29.

I guess my point is that his offensive profile is nowhere historically elite to shrug off aging concerns and pencil him for 30 homer indefinitely. Judge is on such a different level that I can understand the projections.

dustyelbowsMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan

Ohtani is 5th all-time in homers from age-26 to age-30 and will be 4th or maybe even 3rd by the end of the year. The pace is elite, he just got started late due to his NPB seasons and early injuries

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=al&lg=nl&qual=y&type=8&season=2025&season1=1871&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&players=0&sortcol=4&sortdir=default&age=26%2C30

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan

I kind of agree with you in wondering how the model has him at 42% to get to 600 given that it would take 40 per year on average through the rest of his 30s. The problem is that while his offensive position is “DH” he is in fact one of the best athletes in any sport to ever exist so it’s hard to comp him to lumbering sluggers who were 1B/DH strictly due to athletic limitations. Also, doubting Ohtani, something I did more than once, is just something I’ve decided not to do ever again. I feel like if he wanted to try football, he’d be Japanese Josh Allen by next season.