About That Unbelievable Diamondbacks Catching Situation

As I write this on the afternoon of February 1, the Diamondbacks catching depth chart looks like this:

#31 Diamondbacks


Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Tuffy Gosewisch 384 .218 .255 .328 .259 -18.5 -0.2 1.7 0.2
Oscar Hernandez 128 .213 .255 .331 .260 -6.1 0.0 0.0 0.0
Matt Pagnozzi 70 .206 .264 .320 .262 -3.2 -0.1 0.0 0.0
Jordan Pacheco 38 .242 .286 .333 .276 -1.3 0.0 -0.7 0.0
Peter O’Brien 19 .228 .275 .447 .315 -0.1 0.0 0.0 0.1
Total 640 .218 .259 .332 .262 -29.2 -0.3 0.9 0.3

That’s a position for a major league baseball team! A not particularly good or even interesting team, but a major league team nonetheless. Look at it. Bask in it. If the concept of “replacement level” needed a human face, well, here’s a bunch of them. With barely more than two weeks before pitchers report to begin throwing to those catchers, that’s what the Diamondbacks look like they’re going to have. It’s been nearly two months since Miguel Montero was dealt to the Cubs, and everyone assumed that another move would be coming, some way to ensure that the team would have at least a single dependable catcher to make it through the season.

Despite some rumors, nothing’s happened. Dioner Navarro is still a Blue Jay, despite Russell Martin. Welington Castillo, seemingly made redundant by Montero and David Ross joining the Cubs, is still in Chicago, and if a deal was going to be there, it seems like it would have been there within the Montero deal. Carlos Corporan is a Ranger. Geovany Soto went to the White Sox. A ton of other catchers — Ryan Hanigan, Rene Rivera, Yasmani Grandal, Derek Norris, Hank Conger, etc. — found themselves on the move. The top remaining free agent catcher is probably 35-year-old Gerald Laird, which is to say, there’s no longer any remaining free agent catchers.Update: Of course they did.

Nor does anything seem likely to happen, at least if you believe these mid-January comments from GM Dave Stewart:

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After saying last week the Diamondbacks would be comfortable going into the season with their current catchers if a better option didn’t present itself, General Manager Dave Stewart took it a step further Tuesday, saying the club will not make an addition, in large part because of the development of prospect Peter O’Brien.

“I’ve decided that I’m not going to pursue another catcher,” Stewart said. “I talked with my people and my coaching staff. They believe that O’Brien is going to be around sooner than later. If that does happen, there’s no need to go out and get another guy.

We should know by now that there’s no reason to take any baseball executive at their word. Stewart may have been truthful, or he may have been trying to pump up O’Brien, or make potential trade partners think he’s not desperate to make a move, or some combination of all of it. All we know for sure is that no move has happened. If no one else is coming, then this isn’t just the worst catching situation in baseball. It’s one of the worst situations of any position in the game, and it’s not at the bottom mainly (though not exclusively) because the Phillies exist at a few spots, and because we’re looking at tenths of a point of WAR that far down.

In case you don’t know these guys — and why would you — a quick (re)introduction:

  • Gosewisch, a 31-year-old with 179 career plate appearances of 57 wRC+, signed as a minor league free agent prior to 2013, summed up by Patrick Dubuque in last year’s FG+ entirely with “Just kidding. There is no such thing as a Tuffy Gosewisch.”
  • Hernandez, a 21-year-old Rule 5 pick who had a .301 OBP in Single-A last year
  • Pagnozzi, a 32-year-old veteran on his sixth organization with a 78 wRC+ in 105 career big league plate appearances
  • Pacheco, a 29-year-old multi-positional type who has accumulated more negative value than nearly anyone else in the 21st century and didn’t actually catch at all after joining Arizona on waivers from Colorado last summer
  • O’Brien, a 24-year-old with big power and big contact issues who almost certainly doesn’t have the defensive skills to actually catch at the big league level

Only the first two are currently on the 40-man roster. Now, it should be noted that the playing time projections as listed above are basically the baseball version of the shrug emoji. What’s shown there is almost certainly not how the season will actually play out, and since I manage the NL West depth charts, you can feel free to come at me with your disagreements. There’s a lot of ways this could go, the thing is just that none of them are really good.

Perhaps Hernandez doesn’t stick and gets returned to the Rays, because it’s incredibly rare for a Rule 5 catcher to make it with his new team, particularly when there’s not a strong starter to hide behind. (So far as I’ve been able to find, only two catchers this century have done so, Jesus Flores and Adrian Nieto, and only two 21-year-old catchers have managed even 100 plate appearances in a season since 2008, Pablo Sandoval and Salvador Perez; Sandoval caught only 85 innings that year.) Could be that Blake Lalli is the over-30 Quad-A guy, rather than Pagnozzi. Maybe the team insists on giving O’Brien a chance to catch despite all evidence to the contrary, as well as only 300 plate appearances above Single-A.

Since the Diamondbacks aren’t likely to contend this year — they’re apparently considering Josh Collmenter as their No. 1 starter, and Steamer sees them as an 88-loss team, the third-worst in baseball — maybe it seems like this doesn’t matter. Why give up assets for Navarro, especially when he makes $5 million, when Stewart has already indicated the team needs to cut payroll after signing Yoan Lopez, and when the Jays have plenty of use for Navarro as a part-time catcher and DH, lest they need to turn to Josh Thole?

Maybe it won’t, in terms of win/loss record. But then, as with everything catching-related, it’s not just about offense, and we know this group won’t hit. Even Gosewisch’s .259 expected wOBA, which is awful, might be generous, because it requires a step up from the .226 he’s actually put up in his limited playing time. Since Jackie Robinson‘s 1947 debut, there have been 1,253 catcher seasons of at least 350 plate appearances. (That’s not 300 plate appearances as a catcher, but overall from players who were primarily catchers.) .259 would be tied for 27th-worst. .226 would be second-worst, behind only Jerry Grote’s 1967 age-24 disaster.

Montero didn’t hit much either over the last few years, but he was 2014’s top framing catcher. He was top-7 in 2011, and above-average in 2012, making a 2013 downturn — in a season marred by back pain — seem like an outlier. As the Diamondbacks try to overhaul one of 2014’s worst starting rotations, they’re now doing so without their veteran framer. That’s not to say that Gosewisch can’t be competent there; he has, over his career, been viewed as about average in limited sample sizes, and comes with a decent enough reputation. We have absolutely no data on Hernandez, Pacheco might not be a catcher any longer, and Pagnozzi’s metrics look awful, though again in limited playing time.

But remember, now, the pitchers the team has imported. Allen Webster had trouble finding the plate in Boston, and he spent most of his time pitching to the well-regarded Christian Vazquez. So did Rubby de la Rosa. Jeremy Hellickson is notorious for performances that don’t align with his peripherals, and he’s coming from Tampa Bay, where the Rays put tremendous import on framing by employing Hanigan and Jose Molina. In September, Beyond the Boxscore noted that Hellickson & Molina rated as one of the top pitcher/catcher duos in baseball, so far as expected strikes go.

As you can see over the last two years, while there’d been some leakage in the upper right corner, Hellickson wasn’t being cheated out of anything down and in (to righties, or down and away to lefties) and in fact was getting some generous calls outside the zone:

hellickson_zone_2013-14

That might be lost, and considering that Chase Field seems an odd fit for a pitcher like Hellickson anyway, it could be the tipping point Hellickson doesn’t need. Gosewich could be fine, of course, it’s just that even if he’s perfectly acceptable, by all indications he’ll be a step down for several of these pitchers. And even that is assuming that he’s the regular starter, because the rumblings keep coming about how highly the Diamondbacks value O’Brien, seemingly standing alone in the baseball world in terms of considering him a catcher. In November, Kiley referred to O’Brien as a first baseman and said he “still can’t catch.” Just last week, Keith Law named O’Brien his No. 17 Arizona prospect, referring to his “well-below-average receiving.” With reports like that, it’s difficult to comprehend what impact O’Brien as a catcher with real playing time would have on the tenuous Arizona starters.

Maybe, over the next few weeks, attitudes change. There’s plenty of teams who wouldn’t be satisfied with this group competing for their backup job, much less their starting role, and Stewart decides to pony up for Navarro or Castillo or Jason Castro or Wilin Rosario. But with each passing day, it seems more likely that this is the group we’ll see, and there’s not much help coming internally, not with Stryker Trahan, 2012’s first round pick, regressing badly last year. This won’t be a good collection no matter what happens, really. But we can at least hope it gets interesting. For now, it’s just terrifying.





Mike Petriello used to write here, and now he does not. Find him at @mike_petriello or MLB.com.

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Blue
11 years ago

Actually, I think, if anything, these guys show that replacement level production is a useful analytical construct but doesn’t exist in the real world. I would be a substantial sum of money that, should Tuffy Gosewisch or Oscar Hernandez actually be tapped as a starting MLB catcher and put up 400 PAs that they will have a substantial and negative WAR. They are being helped WAY too much by regression to the mean in the projection system. Tuffy Gosewisch is 31 years old. Here is his minor league line:

.239/.306/.370

Oh, and his last professional action was 272 PAs in 2013.

We’re talking about a guy who would end up hitting .180/.270/.270 across a full year or something equally horrible.

Alex
11 years ago
Reply to  Blue

Hernandez is actually fairly well liked by a few minor league projection systems. Of course those systems assume a normal development path, not being jumped from A ball to the MLB.

Sean
11 years ago

This site really likes bashing the Diamondbacks wherever they can. It’s clearly going to be a down year for them this year, why not try for a free 21-year-old catching prospect when their system is completely devoid of catchers?

This article was spun like the pitch framing was going to be the one factor that makes or breaks these young pitchers. The actual value in framing is hotly debated and has been shown to be less than thought over time. Framing helps, certainly, but these pitchers need to develop themselves if they’re going to truly succeed.

It’s hard to read this site anymore. I’m a stats/analysis type guy and would assume a generally unbiased approach to things. But between KT and Dave Stewart, Fangraphs looks for every opportunity to bash on AZ. I like Mike Petriello and don’t accuse him of this bias, but I can’t say the same about Dave or some others.

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike Petriello

People get thin-skinned when it comes to their favorite teams or players. Keep doing what you’re doing, I found it a pretty fascinating read.

KDL
11 years ago
Reply to  Sean

Crying “bias”:sports fans::saying “I hate drama”:drama queens.

dirtbag
11 years ago
Reply to  Sean

The Diamondbacks are my favorite team, and I don’t think any Fangraphs writer unduly bashes them.

Grow up.

dorkyrobotMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Sean

First off, I grew up in AZ and still root for the Diamondbacks. But they are going to be very bad this year, because of a number of truly strange decisions by the front office. As as website devoted to analyzing baseball, I expect fangraphs to question those moves.

David K
11 years ago
Reply to  Sean

This site may bash the D-backs a lot, but probably because there’s a lot to bash. And this is coming from a Dback fan.

Phillies113
11 years ago

True baseball teams know you just need a body back there to catch pitches. No need for any of that new-age hocum about pitch farming or whatever those nerds call it.

Arte Moreno
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

YES!!!

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

The Diamondbacks are taking Casey Stengel’s advice to heart — without these guys they’d be likely to have a lot of passed balls.

Marcus
11 years ago

Does “emoji” now mean “emoticon”? I was under the impression it referred to that specific line of emoticons generally specific to phones and as used in, e.g., the Katy Perry lyric video for “Roar.”

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Marcus

My phone (and most smartphones nowadays) features a poop emoji, which is a fitting metaphor for the D’backs catching situation.

I am not sure which keystrokes I would use to form a poop emoticon, but I will spend a lot of my work day tomorrow pondering that very issue.

Psy Jung
11 years ago

I actually think it makes sense for Arizona to give the PAs to somebody like O’Brien rather than a known mediocrity like Navarro or Castillo – it’s cheaper, they get more information on their player, there’s a little upside if he can avoid being a total black hole defensively (maybe he’s a good pitch framer?). If you know you’re going to lose anyway, may as well go play the slot machines.

Skmd
11 years ago
Reply to  Psy Jung

As a cub fan who has seen truckloads of solid prospects whose talents were ravaged by a poor development system, and their confidence shattered by premature promotion to the majors, let me tell you there’s a lot to lose by bringing a guy up from A ball to the majors. The D-backs system is dry because of bad decisions, but the only way to make it worse is to pile more bad decisions on top. Saying “what the hey, we’re going to lose anyways, let’s see what the kids can do” might work in fantasy leagues but in the majors it’s a good way to kill your talent pipeline and what’s left of your loyal fan base. If Stewart is tanking the next couple of years to get high draft picks, he should be honest with his fans about it.

Psy Jung
11 years ago
Reply to  Skmd

That’s true, but O’Brien is 24, has spent a full season in AA and the projection like him to be nearly league average at the plate. Going from AA to the majors isn’t unreasonable.

Carson says
11 years ago

That Pacheco related link actually had me end up on Yuni B’s page, to see how he was only on page 2 of the negative WAR leaderboard… guess I forgot he had 2 non-terrible seasons, and he didn’t play nearly as long as I was remembering.

Hurtlocker
11 years ago

Montero’s two year total of 1 WAR seems easy to replace?? Isn’t there a Molina out there availible?

Simon
11 years ago

In regards to Peter O’Brien’s #17 ranking in the Dbacks system. Keep in mind Paul Goldschmidt didn’t crack the top 100 either. Mark Trumbo didn’t either. I am not saying that O’Brien is a lock to match their productivity at the big league level but I do think so called experts tend to overlook/underrate certain types of players. this is not to say that O’Brien will be a good defensive catcher – its to say that he is probably better than the 17th best prospect in the Arizona system. Keep in mind he was valuable enough that the NYY traded him for Martin Prado who they in turn traded for Nathan Eovaldi (I know there were other people involved in the latter trade). 17th best prospect in the Arizona system? Ok.

James
11 years ago
Reply to  Simon

Well on the Paul Goldschmidt part, remember that for a while his minor league strikeout rate was really high (26.9% and most scouts didn’t think that would work in the majors, hence his low ranking. However he did what all good players inevitably do, adjust as we saw in 2011 in AA where his K rate dropped to 20.9% and his BB rate went up to 17.9% which is great. By doing so he became the Paul Goldschmidt we all love and know today!

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago
Reply to  Simon

Hmmm, I think you’d need to admit to cherry-picking both here – and keep in mind Trumbo is a 29yr old player with 6.6 career WAR.

That being said, your point is valid that the scouting systems tend to undervalue or miss large, slowish power-hitting 1B.

Unfortunately your conclusion is not in that the scouting systems DO NOT tend to undervalue power-hitting C – especially those in the NYY system.

StroShow
11 years ago

Other than Dave Stewart, one person who’s looking forwards to an entire season of Tuffy is our old friend JP Arencibia who is looking to move from 2nd to 3rd on the all time lowest OBP’s on the list you provided there.

Someone should tell Stewart that JPA is probably available, and likely inexpensive. He’d be an upgrade.

dorkyrobotMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  StroShow

Actually, he’s just about the only player the Orioles have signed this offseason. Though they’d probably trade him for just about anyone – he’s like sixth on the depth chart. Not really sure why they got him.

JoAnne
11 years ago
Reply to  dorkyrobot

You would have thought Arizona would have been in on the Ryan Lavarnway merry-go-round.. He would have been in the battle for their starter..

Mike
11 years ago

They literally just signed Laird. Funny timing.

Ryan BrockMember since 2025
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Great stuff

Jimmy
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Dave Stewart must have skimmed this article. The only thing he took from it was ‘The top remaining free agent catcher is probably 35-year-old Gerald Laird’. Sold!

Jon Daniels
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Mike, quick – please write a follow-up article suggesting that Fielder for Goldschmidt straight up would be a smart, daring move!

Dreamin
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Minor league deal, which I’d bet is simply insurance in case they get to May and find out both Hernandez and O’Brien are completely unplayable.

burts_beadsMember since 2025
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I got a good laugh from this! It’s like somebody for the Diamondbacks read this article and realized they should sign Laird (this legitimately could be what happened.)

Dr Hocker
11 years ago

Dumber and Dumbest will begin shooting soon starring Tony and Dave.

Julio
11 years ago

Yes, the Dbacks catching situation will likely be atrocious. But isn’t that by design? Is this team not rebuilding? One might even say, tanking? Wasn’t Montero’s contract onerous? Wasn’t his production also declining?

I’m not sure there’s anything “unbelievable” about the catching situation at all. I think it’s obvious this team plans to call up its young pitchers, pair them with a decent backup catcher for a year, and when they can realistically dream about contending for a wildcard in 16 or more likely 17, look for a real catcher. And in the meantime, why not see if O’Brien really can develop as a catcher and call him up in August. What does this team have to lose? Seriously.

Bernie
11 years ago

Look what Tony did with the cardinals. First, Matheny and then Molina….catcher offense doesn’t matter to him. These guys will play based on defense, and if they can handle a pitching staff will hang around long enough to improve their hitting.