Adam Lind and Baseball’s Worst Position

The baseball offseason arrived all of a sudden. As the Giants were parading around the streets of San Francisco, I was on my computer writing about the Cubs ditching Rick Renteria to hire Joe Maddon. And then Saturday brought the offseason’s first meaningful trade — Adam Lind to the Brewers, and Marco Estrada to the Blue Jays. I’m going to be completely honest with you. I was excited at first, thinking more of the players in the deal than I wound up doing following further examination. I think I was just excited to have the offseason really get underway, to fill the baseball void. But still, this is a trade, with players you’ve presumably heard of, and it was swung to serve a purpose, so it’s worthy of our consideration. What the heck else do we have to consider?

We’ll get to the Blue Jays’ side of things. We’ll get into more detail. But we can start by acknowledging the obvious, that being the Brewers’ motivation to get a deal done. Lind is slated to be the Brewers’ regular first baseman. Here are the least productive positions in baseball, by our numbers, over the past two seasons combined:

  • Red Sox, third base, -2.2 WAR
  • Astros, first base, -2.2 WAR
  • Yankees, shortstop, -2.7 WAR
  • Yankees, designated hitter, -4.3 WAR
  • Brewers, first base, -4.6 WAR

I don’t know, either, but it happened. Over two years, Brewers first basemen combined to be worth almost an impossible five wins below replacement. The situation was better in 2014 than it was in 2013, but it’s also better to have your arm cut off than it is to have your arm cut off, successfully reattached, and then cut off again. For the Brewers, first base was a disaster, a disaster without any reasonable internal solution, so the front office acted quickly to address one of baseball’s very greatest needs.

It’s fascinating, how bad the Brewers’ situation has been. Nothing else about this is quite so fascinating, but there are still various points of interest. Lind had a $7.5 million club option for 2015, with a $1 million buyout. The Blue Jays have acknowledged they were going to decline the option, if they couldn’t work out a deal. So while Lind wasn’t worth the money to Toronto, he’s worth the money to Milwaukee. Meanwhile, Estrada is due a raise in arbitration from last year’s $3.33 million salary, even though he ran a mediocre ERA and got demoted to the bullpen. As a Brewer, Estrada was a non-tender candidate, and he remains a non-tender candidate as a Blue Jay. It’s possible Toronto wants him, it’s possible Toronto doesn’t want him, and it’s possible Toronto hasn’t decided yet. This has at least bought them some time, and if Estrada does get non-tendered, the Jays still save Lind’s seven-figure buyout.

The Blue Jays determined Lind had to go, because they didn’t want to have him sharing first base and DH with Edwin Encarnacion. They’re interested in flexibility, and seemingly in being able to rotate some guys through the DH slot. What the Brewers see is a lefty-hitting regular on a one-year contract with an option. By acting so fast, the Brewers didn’t even really have to get involved in the market. At 31, Lind isn’t old. Last year he finished with a 141 wRC+. The year before, 131. Steamer projects him at 118.

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Yet, there are reasons Lind was so available. There are reasons there wasn’t much competition, with Ken Rosenthal having reported only the White Sox also showed interest in Lind, to a modest extent. Lind would appear to be a platoon player. He’s not skilled defensively, he’s not a skilled baserunner, and there are questions about the health of his back. Says Doug Melvin:

“He has had a few lower-back issues,” Melvin said. “We exchanged information and we talked about it and we’re OK with it. He just has to maintain the exercise program.”

And there’s this:

To the pull field

2013: 14 home runs
2014: 0 home runs

If you prefer, from Brooks Baseball:

LindSpray

Lind is coming off a six-dinger season, with a BABIP closer to .400 than .300. He’s always been decent about hitting to all fields, and it’s possible what happened in 2014 was the result of Kevin Seitzer’s encouragement to become less shiftable, but the Brewers are free to wonder how much power there is in Lind’s bat at this point. In the 2012 that preceded Lind’s 2013, he underperformed while hitting with little pull power, so Lind has improved on this before, but generally you bet against BABIP when it comes in an Adam Lind kind of form.

From the Brewers’ perspective, you can see why it’s worth a roll of the dice. From the Jays’ perspective, you can see why Lind wasn’t real highly valued, and from the market’s perspective, you can see why Lind didn’t generate a ton of demand. What the Blue Jays are getting, if they want it, is a potentially decent starting pitcher. Estrada fell on rougher times in 2014, but the two seasons before, he was serviceable, and he has fine control if not command. He doesn’t throw hard, but he throws three pitches, and he has productive experience out of the bullpen.

Estrada allows fly balls all the time, and unlike a lot of other fly-ball pitchers, he doesn’t appear skilled at homer suppression. Last year it was the dingers that got him chased from the rotation, and while we generally don’t care too much about a short-term spike in homer rate, Estrada’s been giving them up for years. This is why he’s currently on the outside of the Jays’ rotation looking in, and it’s also worth noting that Estrada can’t take Jonathan Lucroy anywhere with him. His purpose for the moment seems to be depth; he makes it easier for the Jays to think about trading J.A. Happ or Mark Buehrle.

And you’d better believe I’m sitting on a Marco Estrada fun fact. We’ve got split data going back to 2002, and since 2002, 401 pitchers have thrown at least 200 innings with the bases empty and also with the bases not empty. Between the splits, the average pitcher has an FIP 14 points lower with the bases empty. Estrada? 160 points lower. It’s the greatest gap out of the entire pool. With no one on, his career FIP is 3.49, and with someone or someones on, his career FIP is 5.09. Last year, 4.20 and 6.08. When pitching from the stretch, Estrada has generated fewer strikeouts while seeing more walks and dingers.

That’s a bad thing, obviously, because it means he pitches worse in more threatening situations. It’s also something the Blue Jays might feel they could be able to fix, but it’s just another of the issues with a pitcher who might not be worth the hassle. At his best, Estrada looks something like a No. 3 or a No. 4 starter, but the Jays have to figure out if they want to pay this guy upwards of $4 million. That’s a decision they don’t have to make for a handful of weeks.

Before wrapping this up, I’ll say one wonders now about the market for Adam LaRoche. Last time he had a limited market, he eventually re-signed with the Nationals, but that seems less likely this time around. And the Brewers had by far the biggest need at first base, and now they’ve taken care of at least most of that, bringing in the dominant part of a platoon. So while LaRoche will surely play somewhere, it’s not clear where that’ll be. The Angels might not want to spend the money, and they value their current flexibility. The Mariners want someone right-handed. The Marlins might not see LaRoche being meaningfully different from Garrett Jones. LaRoche might cost too much for the Padres, and also the Pirates, and the Tigers are going to try to re-sign Victor Martinez. Pieces shift around and pieces start to look better over time, some of the time, but LaRoche isn’t going to have an easy path. The obvious suitor plugged a need within days of the last game of the playoffs.

But there’ll be other posts about Adam LaRoche. Most relevantly now, Adam Lind is in line to play a lot more, and Marco Estrada is in line for, I don’t know, something. The Brewers don’t know if the guy they got is going to work out, and they don’t know if he’s going to stay healthy. The Blue Jays don’t know if the guy they got is even going to stay on the Blue Jays. The one thing they know is they saved a million dollars. I don’t care if this has all been overthought. I’m just glad to have baseball things to think about.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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LHPSU
11 years ago

IIRC they asked for Neil Walker at the beginning of last year. Last time they asked for the moon, now they’ll do it for scraps.

Tom
11 years ago

As a Pirates fan, I love this news. I was worried the bucs might make a move to acquire Lind, and now I don’t have to worry about this anyomre. It also gets Estrada out of the NL, which is good because for some reason he always seemed pitch well against the Buccos.

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  Tom

I just checked out his splits on Baseball Reference, and it looks like you’re right. Estrada owns a career 1.95 ERA against Pittsburgh (3rd best ERA-against for him), and a .564 OPS Against (4th best OPS-against for him). Even in his crappy 2014, he had a 1.56 ERA against Pittsburgh.

Bat
11 years ago

It will be interesting to see how A-Rod performs in 2015.

I could see the Yankees re-signing Headley to play 3rd base and rotating A-Rod between 3rd base (some spot starts behind Headley), 1st base (some spot starts behind Tex); and DH (shared with Beltran, to a large degree, as I’m not sure Beltran has much of any legs remaining for OF duty).

Most ballplayers would not experience much of any success after returning from a year long absence in their age 39/40 season (A-Rod turns 40 on July 27), but A-Rod is not most ballplayers and if his poor defense is a non-factor (because he is DHing) can he contribute with the bat?

I don’t think A-Rod will be much better than end-of-career Jeter defensively in his limited time at either 3B or 1B (i.e., pretty awful), but I suppose he could be a decent contributor at DH.

Then again he was in decline in 2012 and 2013 and now he’s been removed from game action for an entire year.

Again, it will be interesting to watch and further to see what happens if he performs terribly. Will he start causing a fuss if he’s benched? Will the Yankees just release him if he pisses the bed in 2015?

Damn it, Opening Day is really six months away?!?!!?

elman
11 years ago
Reply to  Bat

Thank you! I couldn’t figure out why, in an article about an Adam Lind/Marco Estrada trade, Jeff failed to talk about Yankee’s 3rd base issue. If you could insert this same comment into articles about all other trades over the offseason, it would be immensely helpful.

Ruki Motomiya
11 years ago
Reply to  elman

While this comment is funny…now people probably will keep C+Ping this into other articles.

Hurtlockertwo
11 years ago
Reply to  Bat

The real question is will the Yankees create a going away tour for ARod this year?? They could get donations from each club to help pay his salary.

FladaYank
11 years ago
Reply to  Hurtlockertwo

Funny

A-Rod
11 years ago

As I told you previously, I am happy about the suspension because I needed a break from baseball, and I will come back stronger than ever in 2015:

“I think that in the year 2014, the league could have done me a favor because I’ve played 20 years without a timeout. I think 2014 will be a year to rest mentally and physically prepare myself for the future and begin a new chapter of my life.”

See below a photo of me in peak condition awaiting 2015:

http://deadspin.com/fat-a-rod-fat-a-rod-1501995520

Bat
11 years ago

Dear Elman,

I’m not sure why you’re being rude?

If you read the article, the Yankees DH position is identified as the fourth worst position in baseball and this is what caused me to post a comment about A-Rod’s return – will he help that alleviate that problem?

If Jeff hadn’t identified the Yankees DH position as the fourth worst in baseball in this article, I wouldn’t have mentioned A-Rod’s return, but it occurred to me that A-Rod might help. Or might not. But I thought it worth mentioning and not totally irrelevant given Jeff’s brief statement on this point.

Thank you for your comment.

Costanza
11 years ago
Reply to  Bat

The article was about the Lind / Estrada trade.

I think what bothers non-Yankees fans about stuff like this is the narcissism exhibited by Yankee fans. In an article focused on a Blue Jays / Brewers trade, you found a way to discuss the Yankees.

Being a Yankee fan must be a lot like being a vegan, or a Cross-fit person.

Joe
11 years ago
Reply to  Costanza

I don’t think it is narcissistic to discuss interesting secondary information revealed in an article. It happens here all the time! I had no idea Yankees DHs were THAT bad either.

Bat
11 years ago

Costanza, I am not a Yankee fan – rather, I am a Yankee hater – so I am not discussing A-Rod due to “narcissism exhibited by Yankee fans”.

I am a baseball fan, and it was a collateral point in the article that I chose to address, which I think is not unreasonable.

In any case, already too much time spent on this point I think.

Enemy of the State
11 years ago
Reply to  Bat

If you click on reply after a comment is made you can reply directly to the comment that was made to you.

craig
11 years ago

Is it that time of month or what? I left Lookout Landing cause I got tired of the bullying of certain asshole for brains people. The Haters of course hang here, too. Dont let the bastards get you down, Bat.

Gabriel
11 years ago

I’m a bit confused about how a team ends up with -4.6 WAR over two years at a position. By definition, the measurement is based on replacement level — the sort of guy you can get off waivers. In other words, the Brewers for practically free should have been able to improve on this, right?

Is it just a failure of management when you are so committed to certain players that you end up being way below WAR at a position two years in a row?

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  Gabriel

Theoretically, it shouldn’t happen. In Milwaukee’s case, I seem to recall Corey Hart injuring himself just before spring training in 2013. They wound up playing Alex Gonzalez and Yuniesky Betancourt at 1B for most of the year, and they combined for -3 WAR. Milwaukee fans would know better than me, but I’d imagine they didn’t have money to sign a better 1B that late in the off-season, and maybe 1B was a weak spot in their farm system.

On the other hand, it shouldn’t have been a surprise to anybody that those two players were below replacement in ’13.

PW
11 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

Not only did Hart get injured just before spring training, our backup plan, Mat Gamel, tore his ACL in spring training. We could have handled one injury, but losing two first basemen in spring training was tough.

pitnick
11 years ago
Reply to  PW

Ah, I forgot all about Mat Gamel.

SecondHandStore
11 years ago
Reply to  PW

Not only that, but their Plan C got hurt in spring training and eventually missed the entire season. Taylor Green hurt his hip somehow. It was like with Corey Hart. They didn’t know immediately that he would miss the entire season. It was only expected to be a month or so.

It really was a freak series of events that lead to such horrible production at 1B in 2013.

pitnick
11 years ago
Reply to  Gabriel

It is a failure of management, although they didn’t commit to the same guys for two years.

Corey Hart was to be the 1B for 2013, but got hurt. The Brewers’ ridiculous idea of a Plan B was a Yuniesky Betancourt (-1.9 WAR) / Alex Gonzalez (-1.1 WAR) platoon. Not good enough, and they should have been working overtime to fix that in April. Instead, Gonzalez lasted through May, and Betancourt kept getting at-bats all year.

In June, they traded to get Juan Francisco from the Braves. He’d never played first base before. He didn’t hit much, and his defense was so bad by UZR that he graded out at -1.2 WAR. (DRS was a little kinder, but still not positive.) It was a not-great idea that went even worse than anticipated.

In July, they also started giving chances to in-house option Sean Halton. He did not exceed the very low expectations and contributed -0.1 WAR.

2014 wasn’t as nearly as ugly. They signed Mark Reynolds and Lyle Overbay to platoon, and while neither can hit anymore, they could at least field the position. Reynolds provided +1.6 WAR (although that includes his time at 3B … not sure how to separate that out), and Overbay -0.2, with another -0.4 coming from cups of coffee by Jason Rogers and Matthew Clark.

In retrospect, they would have better off just playing Travis Ishikawa every day for the last two years.

LHPSU
11 years ago
Reply to  pitnick

It is certainly a failure of management to play Yuniesky Betancourt every day at 1B, but it’s not necessarily a failure of management to field sub-replacement players at a position. Player evaluation is an inexact science, and you never know if a player off waivers is better than replacement or not. You could easily have streamed through a bunch of players who are ALL below replacement level.

SecondHandStore
11 years ago
Reply to  pitnick

Not to defend the Yuni B usage, but he was not their back up plan. Mat Gamel was. He tore his ACL in spring training. Their next back-up plan was Taylor Green. He hurt his hip in spring training. Both Corey Hart and Taylor Green were expected to return with-in 6 weeks. They ended up missing the entire season but that wasn’t something that was expected. Yuni B and Alex Gonzalez were last minute band-aids only meant to cover 4-6 weeks. Then when it became apparent Hart/Green weren’t coming back, the Brewers tried Sean Halton and acquire Juan Francisco. It’s not like they didn’t try. It just didn’t work out.

munchtime
11 years ago
Reply to  Gabriel

2014 production at 1B wasn’t that bad – slightly positive, though most of that was from defense as opposed to offense. 2013 was a dumpster fire. But after several key players had injuries (or looming suspensions), I think management decided it was a lost season and chose not to address the gaping hole. There was no need to try and gain a marginal improvement on a team that was playing for next year before spring training was complete.

Blue
11 years ago

This is a great example that Replacement Level is a useful analytical concept but does NOT reflect reality particularly well.

moosh
11 years ago

Lind has a career 128 wRC+ vs RHP. There’s only 2 LH SPs in the division (of the top 4 in each rotation).

Clayfield
11 years ago

When did they Blue Jays say they were going to decline Linds option if they couldn’t find a deal? I’m honestly asking. I’m a Jays fan and everything I had heard was that it was a no-brainer that the Jays would have picked it up. This was mostly just fan speculation, but if the Jays themselves said they would decline it that’s pretty surprising.

Dr. Pooks
11 years ago
Reply to  Clayfield

There was a tweeted quote from Anthopoulos on Sat after the trade saying they would have bought Lind out if they couldn’t trade by decision time.

John
11 years ago

Do any Brewer fans have any reason for Estrada’s huge HR spike other than bad luck? I scoured his pitch f/x data and all I could find that was noticeably different was his vertical release point increased. He also throw more pitches in the upper part of the strike zone. I’m assuming those two are correlated if he wasn’t getting downward plane on his pitches,specifically his fastball. Any ideas?

badger
11 years ago
Reply to  John

Estrada has two pitches, a 90 mph fastball that he must spot perfectly and a good change up. If his fastball catches too much of the plate–KAPOW. If his change isn’t working and he has to rely on his fastball more often it’s likely one catches too much of the plate and see above. Or worse he tries his subpar breaking ball which he tends to roll versus getting any break and see above.

He needs a third pitch which he can trust. He’s a hard worker and keeps trying but if it hasn’t happened by now it’s unlikely it’s going to happen. He could still be like Randy Wolf and fall into one last good season where his control is sharp and the defense in the outfield very good.

Giants Dynasty
11 years ago

Great moves for the Brewers. They really needed a left handed bat in the middle of that lineup with righties Braun, gomez, lucroy, aramis.

Brad JohnsonMember
11 years ago

fwiw, I’ve wondered about Philadelphia as a stop gap location for LaRoche. Of course, that would rely on the Phillies extricating themselves from Howard. A BIG if.