An Untimely Meditation on Michael Young

Michael Young won’t go away.

He’s 34 years old. He’s a bad defender pretty much anywhere on the diamond. He doesn’t walk much or hit for exceptional power. His biannual off-season whining when he’s moved to accommodate a superior fielder has damaged his reputation. (Remember “misled and manipulated?” Good times.) But, still, Young keeps on hitting.

As Joe Pawlikowski recently noted, Young — and his 3.6 WAR (on the back of his .372 wOBA — has been key for the American League West-leading Rangers, who’ve endured injuries to Young’s third-base replacement, Adrian Beltre, and to outfielders Josh Hamilton and Nelson Cruz. His playing time didn’t directly replace Hamilton’s or Cruz’s, but Young’s surprisingly strong offensive contribution (his 132 wRC+ is his best since 2005) has helped make up for what the team lost. The Rangers aren’t a lock for the playoffs yet, but they’re getting close, and Young has been a big part of that.

Which is exactly why this post so untimely: What should happen with Young in the off-season?

Sure, the Rangers don’t necessarily have to do anything with Young. Despite his grousing earlier in the year, he adapted well to his new role as combo DH/utility infielder. The playing time has been consistent, and he’s already logged 600 plate appearances this season. Young is guaranteed $16 million annually in 2012 and 2013, but the Rangers might have a bigger budget if the team continues to get revenue boosts from playoff runs and a big television contract.

On the other hand, if Beltre hadn’t been hurt, Young might have struggled to find extensive playing time. In addition, playing him full-time at DH would mean putting Mike Napoli either at catcher on a more-than-part-time basis or relegate him to the bench. But look at Napoli’s .416 wOBA this season and that doesn’t seem like a good idea.

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So does Texas pay Young $16 million to platoon with Mitch Moreland at first base? Probably not. OLIVER updated its player projections today, and the 2012 numbers have Moreland with a .337 wOBA, Young with a .342 and Napoli with a .367. Napoli needs to play if the Rangers keep him around, and the projected offensive difference between Moreland and Young certainly isn’t worth $16 million.

As for money: Texas might have more coming in, but it’s no sure-thing that the team’s 2012 payroll will increase substantially over 2011’s Opening Day figure of about $92 million. Texas apparently has roughly $63 million committed to the next year’s team so far, but that doesn’t include arbitration raises for Cruz, Napoli (yes, he’s worth it), Mike Adams, Elvis Andrus or others. Moreover, if the Rangers want to have a chance at bringing back C.J. Wilson — or acquiring another stud pitcher in an unimpressive free-agent market — freeing up at least some of Young’s salary would be a big help.

So where could Young go? The Detroit Tigers are pretty much set for 2012, in terms of starting pitching, but Detroit likely will have a hole in at least one corner-outfield spot — and perhaps second and third bases as well. For the sake of argument, let’s focus on third base. Yes, Brandon Inge is signed for 2012, but he’s close to being a sunk cost this point. Even if his glove were still what it was a few years ago, it probably couldn’t support his bat. Wilson Betemit is a decent hitter for third, but given the third-base market in the off-season, he’s a big-time candidate for overpayment. Oh, and his glove his awful.

Young’s defense at third base is terrible, too. I don’t think it’s as bad as Betemit’s, but even if it is, Young’s .342 projected 2012 wOBA is almost 10 runs better over a full season than Betemit’s .325. That sort of production is enough to make Young an average player even if he’s a -10 third baseman. Yes, Young would be moving out of the best hitter’s park in the American League, but Detroit’s reputation as a pitcher’s paradise is greatly exaggerated — and it’s actually favorable to right-handed hitters. With Young, the Tigers could mitigate defensive issues by using something like the Victor Martinez System. Martinez is a DH most days, then (when he’s healthy) he relieves Alex Avila behind the plate once or twice a week. Why not have Young play third base, then on the days when Martinez is catching, move him to DH and have Inge (whom they have to pay anyway) play third?

Detroit might balk at paying Young’s salary for that kind of contribution, but Texas might be willing to eat some of the money in a trade. If Texas wouldn’t step up, the team wouldn’t expect much back in return. And it isn’t as if Detroit hasn’t been in this situation before: Seen as a defensive liability, Carlos Guillen was moved from position-to-position (and Young has been exactly the opposite of Guillen, in terms of health) and both his and Magglio Ordonez’s big salaries are coming off of the books.

All of this assumes that Michael Young would be willing to go to Detroit. With his 10-and-5 rights in place since May — which is one reason why Texas wanted to move him before the season started — he must approve any trade. But assume Detroit were interested, then Young would get playing time on another contender and he’d have a solidified role. I always hear about how Michael Young just wants to win and help his team, so it’s not completely insane, right?





Matt Klaassen reads and writes obituaries in the Greater Toronto Area. If you can't get enough of him, follow him on Twitter.

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WonkoTheSane
14 years ago

Michael Young was playing every day before Beltre got hurt.

Sam
14 years ago

….You guys really need to proof-read some more. It’s getting distracting.

JRoss
14 years ago
Reply to  Sam

You need to wine some moar.

Daniel
14 years ago
Reply to  Sam

Oh god, can we stop with the nit picking? Is this the New York Times? Do Fangraphs editors/writers have to be flawless?

Sam, I really hope you’re trolling. You know what’s distracting? The comments about spelling mistakes. The endless comments about spelling mistakes.

WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE BASEBALL.

Screw this, I’m off to Notgraphs.

hunterfan
14 years ago
Reply to  Daniel

I don’t mind people posting about the spelling mistakes because hopefully the FG editors eventually get the message and, ya know, hire an editor. I’m sure there’s plenty of folks willing to work for free/cheap but they’ve never even advertised for the position.

Jacob
14 years ago
Reply to  Daniel

Spelling correctly is not that difficult

Welp
14 years ago
Reply to  Daniel

Going out on a limb here and guessing the fangraphs group has done the cost/benefit analysis on paying an editor. Obvious waste of resources to anyone who gives it a moment’s though.

exxroxMember since 2016
14 years ago
Reply to  Daniel

Spelling mistakes are one thing that can be (fairly) easily overlooked, but when dates/stats/numbers are clearly wrong and/or confusing, it definitely detracts from the article. Napoli’s .400 wOBA in 2012? That’s just confusing writing.

Jesse
14 years ago
Reply to  Daniel

Down-vote for Daniel. You know why spelling is important? Because if someone hasn’t taken the time to proof-read the article they probably haven’t taken the time to fact check it either.

I love fangraphs in general, and in the interests of supporting it I’d like to see the articles spelled correctly.

Sam
14 years ago
Reply to  Daniel

Daniel, I’m not trolling. I’ve not mentioned the spelling errors once in the year or so that I’ve been following this site, but I just feel like it’s going past the realm of a few innocent mistakes. They don’t need an editor for this, they need spellcheck and one readthrough of their own stuff. It really is distracting, reading an article with more spelling errors than your average college freshman essay. It just feels like after a while that the writers don’t read their own stuff, which also makes me less trustful of the stats they bring up. If they can’t be bothered to read for spelling errors, how can I be sure they checked all their facts thoroughly?

Jayson Blair & Zachery Kouwe
14 years ago
Reply to  Daniel

Yes, this isn’t the New York Times. Fangraphs is all original material.

LTG
14 years ago

What was untimely here? It all seems quite timely.

Vin
14 years ago

Your Michael Young hate is getting annoying. Regardless of what you presume to know about his personality (based on nothing but rumours), he’s a good player, maybe overrated, but still good.

Detroit Michael
14 years ago
Reply to  Vin

What was annoying about the article? It didn’t see anything about Young’s personality that I read, other than he whines every two years about a position switch, which has been true.

I thought the article was fine.

Detroit Michael
14 years ago

*say* not see.

When’s an edit function coming to this blog?

Vin
14 years ago

It’s not just this article, I’ve noticed that making jokes about Michael Young has become rather constant on FanGraphs, particularly with this author. I just don’t think it’s right for us to conclude that Young is a whiner and not a team player just because he doesn’t like changing positions. Maybe he just wants stability.

Kevin S.
14 years ago

He demanded a trade from the team that significantly overpaid him because they sought to upgrade their team by bringing in a better defender. That makes him a whiner, sorry.

Jacob
14 years ago

He made a grand total of one comment each offseason

Welp
14 years ago
Reply to  Vin

hitter*

Feeding the Abscess
14 years ago
Reply to  Vin

Napoli’s a better hitter, everything else is pretty irrelevant.

Plus moving Young would open up more time at DH for Cruz, Hamilton, and Napoli.

And it’d save money.

Jacob
14 years ago

But it would lose you Michael Young who is a better hitter than both Cruz and Hamilton this year. And then there is the whole nebulous category of clubhouse leadership.

Josh
14 years ago
Reply to  Vin

How is this article hating on Michael Young? There’s no speculation beyond what has previously been printed, and it certainly isn’t trashing him.

DavidCEisen
14 years ago
Reply to  Josh

How is it whining to point out that your employer is lying to you? Young has always maintained that he was fine with his role as DH/utility player. Framing the issue as Young complaining about a position change is misleading, at the very least, or an outright lie at worst. Happy labor day indeed.

“I’ll be the first to admit that I was not particularly keen on the idea of being a DH. But I did agree to do it. I wanted to put the team first. I wanted to be a Ranger. But in light of events that happened in the process, I got pushed into a corner one too many times. I couldn’t take it anymore.”

Also this is currently on Young’s Wikipedia page: “Young requested to be traded to the Philadelphia Phillies, however, an angry woman on youtube fought to change his mind by posting a video of her son annoying her about Young staying on the rangers. Young saw this video posted on youtube and changed his mind.”

rogue_actuaryMember since 2016
14 years ago

Is Napoli’s 2012 wOBA a projection, or a typo?

Mac
14 years ago

Look, I usually ignore the grammar/misspell hate, but the first sentence in this post was:

“Michael Young just won’t got away.”

I don’t demand perfection, but perhaps a touch more editing is in order.

Richie
14 years ago

If you dump your long-term employees the instant it’s in your interest and you can, all your current employees will get the message. And no, it’s not ‘work harder so I don’t get it, too’. But rather ‘don’t give anything I don’t have to give’, while always keeping your voluntary exits in mind.

Welp
14 years ago
Reply to  Richie

Show your work.

Person
14 years ago

Beltre is definitely a great third baseman, and could end up with 60+ WAR, but there’s not this huge difference between him and Young that everybody wants to say there is. In the five years before this season, Young was worth 17.5 WAR, Beltre was worth 18.0 WAR. This year Beltre has been much better, but coming into the year it was pretty close. Plus, take out Young’s years at shortstop, where he was awful, and for his career he has -2.7 dWAR. That’s not good, but not really horrible. Adrian Beltre is a great player, and better than Young, but not by some huge margin.

Welp
14 years ago
Reply to  Person

“In the five years before this season, Young was worth 17.5 WAR, Beltre was worth 18.0 WAR.”

Are you kidding me right now? He was playing in SAFECO, while Young played in ARLINGTON. What is wrong with you

Person
14 years ago
Reply to  Welp

WAR is park adjusted. Beltre is better, but Michael Young IS a good player.

hunterfan
14 years ago

What is this good reason for not putting Napoli behind the plate full time? Can anyone prove to me that his catcher defense is so atrocious it outweighs his superior offense?

It seems to me that:

Napoli (catcher) + Young (DH) > Torrealba (catcher) + Napoli (DH)

David
14 years ago
Reply to  hunterfan

risk management

gnomez
14 years ago

Actually, Inge (after going through quite possible the worst slump I have ever had the misfortune of seeing) seems to have turned a corner. He had a .402 wOBA in Toledo and has had a passable .313 wOBA since returning to the bigs. Not quite a corpse; just a guy in the ICU.

Josh
14 years ago
Reply to  gnomez

That .313 has come in all of 31 plate appearances, so I wouldn’t put much stock into it. Plus it’s still pretty bad, especially for a corner infielder. Not to mention that those 31 PA have raised his season wOBA to .232. For perspective, Adam Dunn (whose offensive woes this season are legendary by now) has a .266 wOBA.

gabriel
14 years ago

Well, it seems clear to me that Young is most valuable at 3B, especially given the general weakness of the position across the leagues. The AL makes a little more sense, given his defensive limitations, and the White Sox and Mariners make sense as much as Detroit. Baltimore would make sense as well, given that that would be one of the few situations where Young would represent a defensive upgrade.

Kevin S.
14 years ago
Reply to  gabriel

How much money would the Rangers have to eat for Young to make sense for the non-contending Mariners or Orioles? At least with the White Sox and Tigers, contention could justify paying most of the $32 million Young’s still owed, and the Angels might make sense if they had any money to spend.

Matt
14 years ago
Reply to  Kevin S.

Why would Young accept a trade to those terrible teams?

Phantom Stranger
14 years ago

Young should not be playing third base on an everyday basis if your team has hopes for a championship. He has decent hands but his reactions are very slow. If anything, his current skill set is more suited to playing second than third.

He is still a very productive hitter that hasn’t lost his contact skills.

jhill14
14 years ago

THIS was insightful and good enough to be linked to ESPN??

AvielthMember since 2016
14 years ago

“His biannual off-season whining when he’s moved to accommodate a superior fielder has damaged his reputation. (Remember “misled and manipulated?” Good times.)”

This is not a majority opinion among those involved with the sport. It’s a majority opinion among those who write and read articles in this space. The traditional sports media still drools over Michael Young and compliments his willingness to move positions, despite him being “misled and manipulated”.

Ian
14 years ago

The mitigation of Young’s defence given the Tigers scenario doesn’t take into account that the Tigers would be DHing Young at the expense of Avila, on days when Martinez catches. If the Tigers were to make such a move, it would have to be because they are expecting Young to play 3rd all year. With Castellanos set to arrive in another 2-3 years, a short-term fix at 3rd is an option, and Young would make sense, but not unless the Tigers are taking back some additional talent with that contract…Young for $16M/season is far too expensive. I’ll take an overpaid Betemit and let him platoon with the terrible Inge before paying Young $16M to hope that he’s as productive in Comerica – Young with a career OPS+ of 93 on the road…no thank you. He’s been better on the road this season (114), but posted a 78 in 2010. I think he’s a Kenny Williams candidate before he’s a Dombrowski candidate.

John
14 years ago

He can still do the job at 2nd. It’s those hot liners that 3Bs get in abundance that Young sucks on. His first step is non-existant. After his bad first step, his speed is around average, which translates to pretty good 2B option since he’s a great bat, and an averageish glove there. There are a lot of better gloves at 2nd, but fewer better hitters there.

YDave
14 years ago

Im a Rangers fan that loves what Young has contributed this year, however, I can still admit the truth of the matter which is that he has very little power, almost never walks, and is going to be 35 next month. This is the first year in a while that he will actually live up to his salary in terms of the value he provided this year, and he is on the books for over 30 million the next two years. I say if you can get anyone to eat his salary than you have to do it, even if you get nothing in return. That 16 million can be put toward CJ or even a better and younger hitter like Prince Fielder or a long shot like Pujols. I don’t think Young has had an OPS over .900 during any season of his career and if he is strictly going to be a 1B/DH going forward, that type of production doesn’t warrant the money for the Rangers, who have capable replacements at a fraction of the cost, or could get an upgrade by paying a similar salary.

joe
14 years ago

Well, until I read this, I thought Michael Young was one of the few good guys in baseball. He could be the major league batting avg. champion this year. They pay him well for this, and they know his fielding is avg. Why speculate on trading him until you see what he does down the stretch, that is what makes his salary acceptable or not.

jhill14
14 years ago
Reply to  joe

don’t let this persons interpretation of a scenario we know very little about alter what you think. Mike’s an okay guy. He’s not Mother Theresa but a more regular Joe who truly felt he was misled.
He put those feelings aside and has played good ball almost consistently all year. It may be in the best interest of the Rangers to trade him after this year but the local fans will be very, very dissapointed.

OkieBevoLuvr
14 years ago

Some of us long time Ranger Fans think the problem in the off season was Jon Daniels and his lack of people skills, not M.Y. Look at what Michael has done offensively over the last 10-years. 16- mil is a bargain. Also, he is not the defensive liability he is made out to be. He can adequately play any infield position, period. Not every 3B is a Brooks Robinson.
Matt, I got an idea – you’re from Toronto, eh? Write about hockey…

Tevemartinez
14 years ago

Young is a bad defender? he plays every where on the diamond and he doesn’t even play there everyday and still he does great.. He is in the top 3 in batting average in the A.L and he doesn’t hit for power but he does hit for average.. The ranger have other guys (josh, beltre, cruz) that can hit for power so why is it a bad thing that Young doesn’t hit for power?? The ranger will stick with young and give him the chance to get his 3.000 hit with the team.. i think your just a guy that really wants young on your team so you thought i would be a good idea to write this stupid shit about him…. write about something else man