Last month, we talked about the potential conflicts of interest raised by the New York Mets hiring former CAA super agent Brodie Van Wagenen, who used to represent several high-profile Mets, as their new General Manager. Since then, we’ve gained additional information regarding the terms of Van Wagenen’s contract and how he and the Mets have attempted to address those conflict of interest concerns.
It’s worth noting that at the outset, the Mets didn’t offer a terribly specific answer to the question of how Van Wagenen had avoided breaching the fiduciary duty he owed to clients like Jacob deGrom and Yoenis Cespedes (among several others) when he accepted the Mets’ GM job. The day after my initial piece on the subject, John Delcos noted for Forbes that reporters asked Van Wagenen about the conflict of interest.
That was the subject of one of the first questions asked of him this afternoon, and before Van Wagenen could answer, Wilpon interrupted and said he had spoken with the commissioner’s office and Major League Players Association chief Tony Clark, adding, “We have provisions in Brodie’s contract to deal with any conflicts of interest.”
What those provisions are, neither Wilpon nor Van Wagenen would say. Van Wagenen, who, as expected, appeared polished and highly professional, said, ‘The goals between players and management are more in line than people think.'”
That answer doesn’t adequately address the issues attendant with Van Wagenen’s hiring. As I explained on Flipping Bats and Winning Games, agents have knowledge teams don’t, ranging from players’ medical conditions to their desired salaries. And even if players and management were to have similar goals, they’re still adverse negotiating parties. When we found out more about the contractual provisions that addressed conflicts, the details also left something to be desired. Per the New York Post:
Though he is no longer their agent, the 44-year-old is privy to information regarding his former clients that could give the Mets an advantage over a player. And that could also include negotiations for a long-term deal, because Van Wagenen might know their final asking price.
“We didn’t discuss specifics on any one player like that,’’ Wilpon said of deGrom’s future. “I think [deGrom] is to be determined and Brodie is going to have to recuse himself from some of those discussions. He will have to set an overall tone for the organization, which way he wants us to go, and then we’ll have to have some others be responsible for doing the actual contract.”
There are two problems with this approach. First, remember that, as we discussed last time, Van Wagenen was legally required to obtain a waiver of conflict of interest, with informed consent, from each player separately. Based on Jeff Wilpon’s comments, that didn’t happen. We do know that Van Wagenen kept his clients informed.
Van Wagenen said he discussed the move with clients, including deGrom, as it progressed. Said he would like to keep him for a long time.
Wilpon said the Mets have "money put aside" to improve parts of the team, such as player development and analytics departments.
But based on the available reporting, it appears unlikely those conversations included informed consent waivers. For instance, Jacob deGrom told MLB.com that Van Wagenen’s “transition was ‘a little confusing,’ adding that he’s still trying to ‘wrap my head around it.'” And deGrom told the New York Post that “I don’t really know how to feel” about the “conflict-of-interest stuff.” MLB.com relays a conversation between the two that illustrates just how confusing this can get.
Shortly after Van Wagenen became GM, divesting himself of all interests in CAA and forfeiting the chance to represent deGrom in contract negotiations, he chatted again on the phone with his ex-client.
“Have you talked to my agent?” deGrom recalled asking him.
“I don’t know who that is,” Van Wagenen deadpanned.
“Yeah, me neither,” deGrom said, laughing.
For now, deGrom is still working out that detail, as he tries to determine how Van Wagenen’s move to the Mets’ front office might affect him.
That doesn’t sound like someone who provided informed consent for Van Wagenen’s new job, and there have been no reports confirming that deGrom – or any of Van Wagenen’s other ex-clients – signed any such written waivers.
Now, Van Wagenen did say that he would recuse himself from dealings with his former clients, which is good. But Wilpon suggested something else.
“The GM gives some guidance, but he’s not totally involved with every last detail,” Wilpon said. “[Van Wagenen] can give us direction. He just can’t be involved in the negotiation. Is it something we are worried about? No. We gave it a lot of thought and obviously I went through the process of making sure that everybody was OK with doing this kind of arrangement, of bringing an agent in to our side.”
For legal purposes, if Van Wagenen is providing “guidance” or “direction,” it really doesn’t matter if he is or isn’t in the room for negotiations. A true recusal would require him to have nothing whatsoever to do with his former clients’ contract negotiations. Direction and guidance creates the possibility – or at least the appearance – that he could disclose private information to those doing the negotiating. Avoiding that possibility would require the Mets’ General Manager to be absent from dealings regarding the Mets’ biggest stars, which creates a host of practical problems, as Phil Mushnick correctly notes.
Exactly how is that going to work? When, for example, deGrom’s future is discussed and determined, Van Wagenen will leave the room or, to be extra cautious, leave the country? Or will that determination be a quick process completed while the new GM, with no say whatsoever, is out to lunch?
His input won’t be solicited, known, weighed or, at the very least, fully suspected? Or are we to believe that the Mets hired a GM whom they’ll gag and handcuff when it’s time to make big decisions? Van Wagenen seems too smart to not know better. But we’re not?
So far, we haven’t seen Van Wagenen recuse himself from Noah Syndergaard trade talks, even though he represented the ace right-hander before taking the Mets job. And Van Wagenen raised eyebrows when he said that ex-client Tim Tebow, who this year posted a 106 wRC+ (along with a 34.6% strikeout rate and an unsustainable .418 BABIP) in Double-A, would nevertheless get promoted to start the 2019 season.
““I reject the notion that I’m going to be in a conflict of interest now or that I’m going to compromise my own reputation, past behavior and my own integrity,” Van Wagenen said to the New York Times‘ James Wagner. But that’s sort of the problem – Van Wagenen doesn’t appear to give the possibility of conflicts of interest its due consideration. And there are potential issues on the other side of trades, too. As Wagner notes: “Some G.M.’s may be leery of what inside information Van Wagenen has if he, say, offers a Met who is a former client of his in a trade.”
So the concerns now go beyond internal conflicts of interest. Can Brodie Van Wagenen run the Mets as he needs to with such significant limitations? Or will he circumvent those limitations in order to get the best deals for his team? At this point, we just don’t know. It would be a relatively simple fix, too; if the parties did follow the law, they could confirm they had written conflict waivers from all involved. But the fact that the Mets and Van Wagenen have allowed the situation to percolate suggests they may not have taken that step – and now, for better or worse, every move Van Wagenen makes will be viewed through that lens moving forward.
Sheryl Ring is a litigation attorney and General Counsel at Open Communities, a non-profit legal aid agency in the Chicago suburbs. You can reach her on twitter at @Ring_Sheryl. The opinions expressed here are solely the author's. This post is intended for informational purposes only and is not intended as legal advice.
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StatNerdMember since 2018
7 years ago
There really is nothing else to say other than “LOLMets”.
In all seriousness reading this article gave the former structured financial services peon in me a bit of anxiety. This looks, walks, and quacks like inside dealing, on which the law is both vague and terrifying. You think after running afoul of one insider investigation the Wilpons would want to avoid another.
If at first you don’t succeed: try, try again.
It is a maxim that worked out well for the baddies in “Diamonds Are Forever,” as I recall.
Sabometrics
7 years ago
Its like there was a trainwreck and instead of clearing the tracks they just decided to send in more trains.
dodgerbleu
7 years ago
What is the agenda here? Some big conclusions we’re jumping to. And those quotes from the deGrom articles really don’t share the spirit of the article.
Down vote me right to hell, I deserve it. It’s also just my opinion – to each his/her own. I was very excited to have Sheryl’s legal expertise available to us readers. She was an opportunity to present the legal argument of topics – from the side of the law – not someone pushing a personal opinion or chasing clicks. I enjoyed the first few articles. But the bias evident in her writing is over the top for me. This is the last Ring article I will bother reading on FG.
Fair. I don’t know what it is and don’t have an theory to speculate. Don’t always know why someone is doing something, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing it for a reason..
I think it’s fair to say her articles have some tilt towards “there is an issue here.” There’s a selection phenomenon; the articles where she leans dismissive of a potential issue never get written. But l could believe her personal approach leans that way too. A different writer could have more skeptical tendencies. It doesn’t mean anybody’s Fake Law.
If I’m not writing something up, tell me and I will! Also, I do have a couple of “much ado about nothing” articles later this week. They get posted in order of time-sensitivity. 🙂
If you are short on topics, I am would be very interested if someone with strong financial and baseball backgrounds to dig deeper into the WSJs latest report on the Guggenheim Partners, which appears to turn the Dodgers franchise into collateral for insurance investment vehicles.
The move is clearly a response to an earlier lawsuit brought against Guggenheim for alleged misuse of funds related to the purchase of the team, and it’s a development that can only have neutral or bad implications for the future of the franchise under current ownership.
I’m not sure what crime you committed, but I’m sure you committed a crime…
Look, it’s ok to think that someone is just an idiot, and it’s usually more likely to be correct than assuming that they have an agenda. For example, I don’t think you have an agenda.
Reading the article, it’s clear she has an opinion and it is not a favorable one for BVW. Which is fine – maybe he doesn’t deserve it. But I thought she was supposed to present the facts through a legal lens. I point to the tone throughout the entire article. The entire subject/summary. She literally ends the article by saying BVW will be viewed through this lens of conflict. The cherry-picked quotes from deGrom (where he would praise BVW and expressed confidence – click through to read the articles – deGrom was not sitting there worrying about BVW with his head exploding).
Hart to point to one specific thing when the entire article has the tone.
All available evidence suggests that Brodie Van Wagenen has not comported himself in the way that is ethically and legally required.
It doesnt matter if his clients are mostly OK with that; it is a problem that receive scorn from other lawyers with interest in legal ethics.
The point of a fiduciary responsibility is that Van Wagenen is supposed to be an expert on these matters when his clients are not. It is his job to make them understand the conflicts or to avoid them even if they do not understand them – that’s why the standard is ‘informed consent’. If Jacob deGrom doesn’t understand, then BVW has failed in his legal obligations to deGrom -even if deGrom doesn’t realize that, or understand why, or even care-. Folks in expert legal and financial roles are required to adhere to professional standards that are designed to ensure they behave ethically because their clients, who are NOT experts, are not -capable- of holding them accountable because they don’t understand the intricacies of what they do.
I was under the impression that agents weren’t necessarily fiduciaries, which is why agents are generally a bad idea. You make as much money as Degrom, go put your money in a multi purpose multi-family office for a fraction of the fees
I agree with this sentiment. My question is, why aren’t any of his former clients (especially Mets, but others as well), suing BVW? Since many or all are still advised by the same agency (guessing?), is there a possibility that their new agents are toting the company line, and not telling them about all of their legal options?
“All available evidence suggests that Brodie Van Wagenen has not comported himself in the way that is ethically and legally required.”
From what I can gather, there isn’t much evidence available that BVW and the Mets have not comported themselves as ethically and legally required. Absence of evidence not being evidence of absence and all that…
All we really know at this point is that there is an unusual arrangement with a hint of impropriety, and that the individuals involved have done a poor job of damage control in their non-legally binding comments to the news media.
That said, if I were one of Van Wagenen’s former clients, I would immediately jump the CAA ship, and find some other representation with no personal or professional connection to the Mets’ new general manager.
“All available evidence” literally means what it says. It has nothing to do with “what (you’ve) gathered.” Do you have more evidence? No?
BVW and the Wilpons have provided most of the available evidence, their own words can be used against them. As spelled out quite clearly in the article, they have stated in plain English they do not intend to follow the ethics rules or legal procedures with regards to BVW’s former clients.
It doesn’t get any clearer. If you choose to ignore their own words and claim “all smoke, no fire,” then you need to come with some actual evidence, stronger than “nah, that doesn’t meet my personal standard of whatever it is…IANAL, LOL!”
Your point has no point. “That tone” is your personal, subjective dislike of the article – that’s the agenda, and it’s your agenda.
The article shows very clearly that BVW and the Wilpons, by their own words (what someone might call “their own admission”) have NO intention of following the law on this issue. That makes them, first, suspect as willing to engage in illegal activity; and second, it makes them even dumber than anyone thought they could be. So yes, LOLMets.
Oh and: just because BVW’s former clients laugh off that he’s flouting the law to their detriment — ie, he’s literally working against his former clients in front of their faces — doesn’t mean BVW is cleared of all wrongdoing. That’s like saying Trump University is an accredited school because some of the people Trump defrauded didn’t figure out it was a scam.
The agenda is to push a narrative that an MLB franchise (management) is acting in an underhanded manner that may harm the earning potential of some players (labor), and the league is letting it happen.
In this case, I don’t think it’s a particularly unfair stance, but it would be nice for the next installment on this subject to go beyond an appeal to ignorance to build the argument.
“…agents have knowledge teams don’t, ranging from players’ medical conditions to their desired salaries.”
I have questions about the “medical conditions” part of that. I would be surprised if every player contract did not have a clause requiring players to reveal any medical condition they are aware of and I would be absolutely shocked if the insurance policy the team takes out on the contract didn’t require the same. Every insurance policy I have ever had (life, disability, health) required that. Wouldn’t failure to reveal medical conditions be grounds to invalidate the contract? I realize that the burden of proof might be on the team, but it seems like too big a risk to try to hide something.
No agent is going to affirmatively disclose material which is available to a team which has properly conducted its medical due diligence. For example:
1) A player is suffering from a mental illness and sees a therapist and psychiatrist. The medical records note that the player takes certain medications, but not the extent of the symptoms or treatment; that’s none of a team’s business.
2) A player wakes up with shoulder pain and says to his agent, “Brodie, I’m going to sign one more deal after this year and then I’m done. My shoulder hurts every day.” His MRI is clean.
3) A player’s personal physician reaches a different conclusion than a team’s physician about a player’s physical condition. The team gets the written records from both, but the doctor says to the player and agent, “Look, there’s a really good chance your elbow will blow out next year because I recognize this type of UCL injury from another client. It might never happen, and it’s not the prevailing wisdom in the industry so I’m not putting it in the write-up, but you should know the risk.”
In each of these instances, an agent is aware of personal health information a team wouldn’t know, shouldn’t know, and wouldn’t have access to. But the agent would know, because they impact the player’s decisions.
I’m a retired physician, not an attorney, and those are not completely unrealistic scenarios, but a mental illness that prevents you from doing your job is still an illness and would definitely be covered on the insurance policies that I have been issued that specifically asked about mental illness, substance abuse, physical illness and other things. It’s all part of the page that asks a dozen or more questions that start “are you now or have you ever…” and if you answer “yes” to any of them you have to explain. It may be your opinion that mental health is somehow more protected than physical health, but every employer and insurance company I have dealt with seems to feel otherwise.
Also, if I had ever told ISMIE that I was telling patients they had a small risk of problems but wasn’t documenting those discussions because the risk was small and not everybody agreed, they would probably spontaneously combust leaving a large crater just over Michigan Avenue from The Bean.
Beyond that, isn’t #2 bargaining in bad faith if he signs for more than one year? Convincing a team to give you 5/$120 guaranteed when you don’t plan to play more than one year seems wrong.
“One more deal after this year” isn’t the same as “one more year”. It’s a statement that he wants to cash in with one final contract rather than take a short deal now in hopes of getting a bigger payday a couple years later.
wjylaw
7 years ago
Lawyer here. I’m lol at some of your grandstanding statements and obvious misinterpretations of the law on some issues. Your attempt to use the Missouri Law School article to claim he needs to get a signed informed consent waiver from each player is just wrong, like many of your supposed “expert” opinions on other legal issues. I’ve stopped reading as manyarticles on this site as I used to because of the loss of great writers like Eno and secondarily because many of your articles are basically a bunch of drivel from a legal perspective. While you touch on some of the pertinent points regarding the Mets situation, many of your conclusive statements are really just your opinion, usually not well founded when vetted by other attorneys.
Could we have some lawyers arguing points of law? That’s real fun. Lawyers just laying broad disses on each other is blah.
We’ve certainly seen Sheryl acknowledge weak points in the comments before. Have also seen lawyers’ plausible counterarguments left unanswered, which is worth reading too.
Sooo, like oral arguments? Those are way more boring than you think. Briefs are even worse. You can hear oral arguments from the Supreme Court at Oyez dot org and they are boring as hell. And that’s even considering SCOTUS gets to cherry pick all the interesting cases.
Thanks for your feedback. Actually, it isn’t wrong – you *do* need to get an informed consent waiver of a fiduciary relationship in most states. It’s very much a state-by-state inquiry, but the majority rule is actually that fiduciary duties can’t be waived orally, and they can be waived only in writing upon informed consent. Even in Delaware, which provides the broadest coverage for fiduciary duty waivers, their Appellate Court says that they must be in writing and “carefully crafted.” Those states in the minority don’t even allow waivers of fiduciary duty at all, and instead make fiduciary duty a non-waivable, non-delegable duty.
For a lawyer, the “your wrong about point A”, without justifying why she is wrong, and then commenting about how she is wrong in all these other places without giving any examples of times she was wrong. I mean dude would your own critical argument even hold up in court? You didn’t prove anything about her writing with your little bitch fest. Go back to chasing ambulances I’m sure thats what “lawyer here” really means mr fly by night law school. If you want to read Eno get your cheap ass a subscription to The Athletic and read him, but we all know your more of a Barstool Bro!
I definitely want to hire a lawyer who starts a sentence with “I’m lol”
toddball
7 years ago
Thanks for the follow-up. From what I gather in reading this, either:
1.) the Mets have a GM that has gone through the proper legal channels to avoid conflicts of interest, and because of this is subsequently handcuffed from being fully involved in the necessary decision-making (little evidence this has occurred so far)
OR
2.) the Mets have a GM that is actively involved in the decision making, but nebulous on whether or not he has gone through the proper legal channels to avoid conflicts of interest, and is therefore making players, agents and other GM’s wary in dealing with him…
Once again, well done Mets.
Jeff Wilpon: “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…”
Stupideas22
7 years ago
Three large organizations with dozens of lawyers on retainer haven’t started a legal battle yet. Why are we, a bunch of laymen, second guessing them? (Not pointed at you, Sheryl.)
The second he does any transaction of any sort, outside of maybe arb and setting basic salaries, with any player he represented opens every action he takes in those deals whatever they are up for potential pitfalls if anything he does is deemed the slightest bit suspect. If he is already in violation of laws for not exiting properly from those relationships then he is liable the second he touches any deal in the slightest.
They’re already front and center. It’s been literally everybody’s take on the issue since the guy was even hired. You may think the Wilpons are dumb, and maybe even you’re right – I don’t personally know them. But not to consider that they’re absolutely wealthy enough to have some very bright people and a few competent lawyers advising their decisions is beyond naïve.
Or they simply offer DeGrom a contract thats exactly 5% below his walk away price, or even worse they offer him a deal at exactly his floor price which Van Wagenen wrote down for the people “doing the deal”, and then burned so DeGrom wouldnt catch on 😉
ryanredsox
7 years ago
With so many qualified and capable potential GMs available the Mets go out and sign a walking lawsuit.
hookworm86
7 years ago
“So far, we haven’t seen Van Wagenen recuse himself from Noah Syndergaard trade talks, even though he represented the ace right-hander before taking the Mets job.”
This isn’t really true. Syndergaard is a client of CAA but he was never represented by Van Wagenen.
I guess it depends on how effective you feel the chinese walls are. If that even matters! I legitimately don’t know if you have to recuse yourself in contract negotiations if you represent both sides.
Guessing there probably was not a wall because there would not have been a reason for one at that time. No idea how much he would have known, but I suppose it’s fair to make an accurate accounting if BVW was not directly the agent representing Syndergaard
bjsguess
7 years ago
I believe that the balance of power is clearly is favor of the Mets, might there also be some valuable insight on deGrom’s part? I’m sure that agents talk strategies with their players as they walk through the negotiation process.
For example, I’m guessing that Boras sits down with his big ticket players and explains that he will start absurdly high and work down ‘x’ percent over ‘y’ time. Or that he will typically bypass most GM’s and negotiate directly with management. Or that he will often delay signings until certain conditions are met in the general market. etc, etc.
While those strategies are most likely not as valuable as knowing a player’s medical history, I’m sure there is some value for the player in understanding how the other side approaches contract negotiations.
Jetsy Extrano
7 years ago
> I reject the notion that I’m going to be in a conflict of interest
That’s the most eyebrow-raising quote yet I think. He’s proceeding to get huffy about the very idea, which does not lay the groundwork for a future argument that he’s always been cautious and concerned.
There really is nothing else to say other than “LOLMets”.
What a complete disaster that franchise is.
Thanks for the insightful comment. You’re really helping to make Fangraphs a great place for intelligent baseball discussions.
Waaaaa your comment doesn’t meet my expectations waaaaaaa!
Obvious troll is obvious.
LOLmets fan
well now we know the AGNY’s handle….
In all seriousness reading this article gave the former structured financial services peon in me a bit of anxiety. This looks, walks, and quacks like inside dealing, on which the law is both vague and terrifying. You think after running afoul of one insider investigation the Wilpons would want to avoid another.
If at first you don’t succeed: try, try again.
It is a maxim that worked out well for the baddies in “Diamonds Are Forever,” as I recall.
Its like there was a trainwreck and instead of clearing the tracks they just decided to send in more trains.
What is the agenda here? Some big conclusions we’re jumping to. And those quotes from the deGrom articles really don’t share the spirit of the article.
Down vote me right to hell, I deserve it. It’s also just my opinion – to each his/her own. I was very excited to have Sheryl’s legal expertise available to us readers. She was an opportunity to present the legal argument of topics – from the side of the law – not someone pushing a personal opinion or chasing clicks. I enjoyed the first few articles. But the bias evident in her writing is over the top for me. This is the last Ring article I will bother reading on FG.
#disappointed.
You have failed to point to a single thing she has said that reveals an “agenda” or “personal opinion” or “bias.”
Or point to what the agenda actually is.
Fair. I don’t know what it is and don’t have an theory to speculate. Don’t always know why someone is doing something, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing it for a reason..
If her bias is so “evident” maybe you could share with us what the bias is?
Sheryl’s writing is top notch. Don’t always agree with her conclusions but she is fair in her approach.
I think it’s fair to say her articles have some tilt towards “there is an issue here.” There’s a selection phenomenon; the articles where she leans dismissive of a potential issue never get written. But l could believe her personal approach leans that way too. A different writer could have more skeptical tendencies. It doesn’t mean anybody’s Fake Law.
Two arguing lawyers on staff would be lovely.
If I’m not writing something up, tell me and I will! Also, I do have a couple of “much ado about nothing” articles later this week. They get posted in order of time-sensitivity. 🙂
If you are short on topics, I am would be very interested if someone with strong financial and baseball backgrounds to dig deeper into the WSJs latest report on the Guggenheim Partners, which appears to turn the Dodgers franchise into collateral for insurance investment vehicles.
The move is clearly a response to an earlier lawsuit brought against Guggenheim for alleged misuse of funds related to the purchase of the team, and it’s a development that can only have neutral or bad implications for the future of the franchise under current ownership.
I’m not sure what crime you committed, but I’m sure you committed a crime…
Look, it’s ok to think that someone is just an idiot, and it’s usually more likely to be correct than assuming that they have an agenda. For example, I don’t think you have an agenda.
Reading the article, it’s clear she has an opinion and it is not a favorable one for BVW. Which is fine – maybe he doesn’t deserve it. But I thought she was supposed to present the facts through a legal lens. I point to the tone throughout the entire article. The entire subject/summary. She literally ends the article by saying BVW will be viewed through this lens of conflict. The cherry-picked quotes from deGrom (where he would praise BVW and expressed confidence – click through to read the articles – deGrom was not sitting there worrying about BVW with his head exploding).
Hart to point to one specific thing when the entire article has the tone.
All available evidence suggests that Brodie Van Wagenen has not comported himself in the way that is ethically and legally required.
It doesnt matter if his clients are mostly OK with that; it is a problem that receive scorn from other lawyers with interest in legal ethics.
The point of a fiduciary responsibility is that Van Wagenen is supposed to be an expert on these matters when his clients are not. It is his job to make them understand the conflicts or to avoid them even if they do not understand them – that’s why the standard is ‘informed consent’. If Jacob deGrom doesn’t understand, then BVW has failed in his legal obligations to deGrom -even if deGrom doesn’t realize that, or understand why, or even care-. Folks in expert legal and financial roles are required to adhere to professional standards that are designed to ensure they behave ethically because their clients, who are NOT experts, are not -capable- of holding them accountable because they don’t understand the intricacies of what they do.
I was under the impression that agents weren’t necessarily fiduciaries, which is why agents are generally a bad idea. You make as much money as Degrom, go put your money in a multi purpose multi-family office for a fraction of the fees
You are incorrect, and Sheryl covered the fiduciary responsibilities of agents in her first post about BVW.
I agree with this sentiment. My question is, why aren’t any of his former clients (especially Mets, but others as well), suing BVW? Since many or all are still advised by the same agency (guessing?), is there a possibility that their new agents are toting the company line, and not telling them about all of their legal options?
“All available evidence suggests that Brodie Van Wagenen has not comported himself in the way that is ethically and legally required.”
From what I can gather, there isn’t much evidence available that BVW and the Mets have not comported themselves as ethically and legally required. Absence of evidence not being evidence of absence and all that…
All we really know at this point is that there is an unusual arrangement with a hint of impropriety, and that the individuals involved have done a poor job of damage control in their non-legally binding comments to the news media.
That said, if I were one of Van Wagenen’s former clients, I would immediately jump the CAA ship, and find some other representation with no personal or professional connection to the Mets’ new general manager.
“All available evidence” literally means what it says. It has nothing to do with “what (you’ve) gathered.” Do you have more evidence? No?
BVW and the Wilpons have provided most of the available evidence, their own words can be used against them. As spelled out quite clearly in the article, they have stated in plain English they do not intend to follow the ethics rules or legal procedures with regards to BVW’s former clients.
It doesn’t get any clearer. If you choose to ignore their own words and claim “all smoke, no fire,” then you need to come with some actual evidence, stronger than “nah, that doesn’t meet my personal standard of whatever it is…IANAL, LOL!”
A thousand times, yes. Good comment.
Your point has no point. “That tone” is your personal, subjective dislike of the article – that’s the agenda, and it’s your agenda.
The article shows very clearly that BVW and the Wilpons, by their own words (what someone might call “their own admission”) have NO intention of following the law on this issue. That makes them, first, suspect as willing to engage in illegal activity; and second, it makes them even dumber than anyone thought they could be. So yes, LOLMets.
Oh and: just because BVW’s former clients laugh off that he’s flouting the law to their detriment — ie, he’s literally working against his former clients in front of their faces — doesn’t mean BVW is cleared of all wrongdoing. That’s like saying Trump University is an accredited school because some of the people Trump defrauded didn’t figure out it was a scam.
Do you get it now?
Let us part ways in good cheer and never cross paths here again, dear sir.
The agenda is to push a narrative that an MLB franchise (management) is acting in an underhanded manner that may harm the earning potential of some players (labor), and the league is letting it happen.
In this case, I don’t think it’s a particularly unfair stance, but it would be nice for the next installment on this subject to go beyond an appeal to ignorance to build the argument.
Read the article again. It literally contains the evidence from BVW and the Wilpons themselves. Jeez.
Apparently, in your case, the appeal to ignorance failed miserably.
How does that Hateraid taste?
“…agents have knowledge teams don’t, ranging from players’ medical conditions to their desired salaries.”
I have questions about the “medical conditions” part of that. I would be surprised if every player contract did not have a clause requiring players to reveal any medical condition they are aware of and I would be absolutely shocked if the insurance policy the team takes out on the contract didn’t require the same. Every insurance policy I have ever had (life, disability, health) required that. Wouldn’t failure to reveal medical conditions be grounds to invalidate the contract? I realize that the burden of proof might be on the team, but it seems like too big a risk to try to hide something.
No agent is going to affirmatively disclose material which is available to a team which has properly conducted its medical due diligence. For example:
1) A player is suffering from a mental illness and sees a therapist and psychiatrist. The medical records note that the player takes certain medications, but not the extent of the symptoms or treatment; that’s none of a team’s business.
2) A player wakes up with shoulder pain and says to his agent, “Brodie, I’m going to sign one more deal after this year and then I’m done. My shoulder hurts every day.” His MRI is clean.
3) A player’s personal physician reaches a different conclusion than a team’s physician about a player’s physical condition. The team gets the written records from both, but the doctor says to the player and agent, “Look, there’s a really good chance your elbow will blow out next year because I recognize this type of UCL injury from another client. It might never happen, and it’s not the prevailing wisdom in the industry so I’m not putting it in the write-up, but you should know the risk.”
In each of these instances, an agent is aware of personal health information a team wouldn’t know, shouldn’t know, and wouldn’t have access to. But the agent would know, because they impact the player’s decisions.
I’m a retired physician, not an attorney, and those are not completely unrealistic scenarios, but a mental illness that prevents you from doing your job is still an illness and would definitely be covered on the insurance policies that I have been issued that specifically asked about mental illness, substance abuse, physical illness and other things. It’s all part of the page that asks a dozen or more questions that start “are you now or have you ever…” and if you answer “yes” to any of them you have to explain. It may be your opinion that mental health is somehow more protected than physical health, but every employer and insurance company I have dealt with seems to feel otherwise.
Also, if I had ever told ISMIE that I was telling patients they had a small risk of problems but wasn’t documenting those discussions because the risk was small and not everybody agreed, they would probably spontaneously combust leaving a large crater just over Michigan Avenue from The Bean.
Beyond that, isn’t #2 bargaining in bad faith if he signs for more than one year? Convincing a team to give you 5/$120 guaranteed when you don’t plan to play more than one year seems wrong.
“One more deal after this year” isn’t the same as “one more year”. It’s a statement that he wants to cash in with one final contract rather than take a short deal now in hopes of getting a bigger payday a couple years later.
Lawyer here. I’m lol at some of your grandstanding statements and obvious misinterpretations of the law on some issues. Your attempt to use the Missouri Law School article to claim he needs to get a signed informed consent waiver from each player is just wrong, like many of your supposed “expert” opinions on other legal issues. I’ve stopped reading as manyarticles on this site as I used to because of the loss of great writers like Eno and secondarily because many of your articles are basically a bunch of drivel from a legal perspective. While you touch on some of the pertinent points regarding the Mets situation, many of your conclusive statements are really just your opinion, usually not well founded when vetted by other attorneys.
For a lawyer, you don’t write very well.
Just an observation.
Well said, thank you for articulating what I could not.
Could we have some lawyers arguing points of law? That’s real fun. Lawyers just laying broad disses on each other is blah.
We’ve certainly seen Sheryl acknowledge weak points in the comments before. Have also seen lawyers’ plausible counterarguments left unanswered, which is worth reading too.
Sooo, like oral arguments? Those are way more boring than you think. Briefs are even worse. You can hear oral arguments from the Supreme Court at Oyez dot org and they are boring as hell. And that’s even considering SCOTUS gets to cherry pick all the interesting cases.
Can’t say I read oral arguments, but I do enjoy edited articles where lawyers whip out new citations on each other.
“Lawyers just laying broad disses on each other is blah.” Not a lawyer but, isn’t that what lawyers do?
Thanks for your feedback. Actually, it isn’t wrong – you *do* need to get an informed consent waiver of a fiduciary relationship in most states. It’s very much a state-by-state inquiry, but the majority rule is actually that fiduciary duties can’t be waived orally, and they can be waived only in writing upon informed consent. Even in Delaware, which provides the broadest coverage for fiduciary duty waivers, their Appellate Court says that they must be in writing and “carefully crafted.” Those states in the minority don’t even allow waivers of fiduciary duty at all, and instead make fiduciary duty a non-waivable, non-delegable duty.
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For a lawyer, the “your wrong about point A”, without justifying why she is wrong, and then commenting about how she is wrong in all these other places without giving any examples of times she was wrong. I mean dude would your own critical argument even hold up in court? You didn’t prove anything about her writing with your little bitch fest. Go back to chasing ambulances I’m sure thats what “lawyer here” really means mr fly by night law school. If you want to read Eno get your cheap ass a subscription to The Athletic and read him, but we all know your more of a Barstool Bro!
Law schools don’t kick you out for being bad at law. Sadly.
I definitely want to hire a lawyer who starts a sentence with “I’m lol”
Thanks for the follow-up. From what I gather in reading this, either:
1.) the Mets have a GM that has gone through the proper legal channels to avoid conflicts of interest, and because of this is subsequently handcuffed from being fully involved in the necessary decision-making (little evidence this has occurred so far)
OR
2.) the Mets have a GM that is actively involved in the decision making, but nebulous on whether or not he has gone through the proper legal channels to avoid conflicts of interest, and is therefore making players, agents and other GM’s wary in dealing with him…
Once again, well done Mets.
Jeff Wilpon: “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…”
Three large organizations with dozens of lawyers on retainer haven’t started a legal battle yet. Why are we, a bunch of laymen, second guessing them? (Not pointed at you, Sheryl.)
Because nothing actionable has happened yet? Wait until Syndergaard gets traded, then the concerns here will be front and center.
Yeah, can anyone describe what the trigger for standing to sue would be like here?
The second he does any transaction of any sort, outside of maybe arb and setting basic salaries, with any player he represented opens every action he takes in those deals whatever they are up for potential pitfalls if anything he does is deemed the slightest bit suspect. If he is already in violation of laws for not exiting properly from those relationships then he is liable the second he touches any deal in the slightest.
They’re already front and center. It’s been literally everybody’s take on the issue since the guy was even hired. You may think the Wilpons are dumb, and maybe even you’re right – I don’t personally know them. But not to consider that they’re absolutely wealthy enough to have some very bright people and a few competent lawyers advising their decisions is beyond naïve.
Or they simply offer DeGrom a contract thats exactly 5% below his walk away price, or even worse they offer him a deal at exactly his floor price which Van Wagenen wrote down for the people “doing the deal”, and then burned so DeGrom wouldnt catch on 😉
With so many qualified and capable potential GMs available the Mets go out and sign a walking lawsuit.
“So far, we haven’t seen Van Wagenen recuse himself from Noah Syndergaard trade talks, even though he represented the ace right-hander before taking the Mets job.”
This isn’t really true. Syndergaard is a client of CAA but he was never represented by Van Wagenen.
I guess it depends on how effective you feel the chinese walls are. If that even matters! I legitimately don’t know if you have to recuse yourself in contract negotiations if you represent both sides.
Guessing there probably was not a wall because there would not have been a reason for one at that time. No idea how much he would have known, but I suppose it’s fair to make an accurate accounting if BVW was not directly the agent representing Syndergaard
I believe that the balance of power is clearly is favor of the Mets, might there also be some valuable insight on deGrom’s part? I’m sure that agents talk strategies with their players as they walk through the negotiation process.
For example, I’m guessing that Boras sits down with his big ticket players and explains that he will start absurdly high and work down ‘x’ percent over ‘y’ time. Or that he will typically bypass most GM’s and negotiate directly with management. Or that he will often delay signings until certain conditions are met in the general market. etc, etc.
While those strategies are most likely not as valuable as knowing a player’s medical history, I’m sure there is some value for the player in understanding how the other side approaches contract negotiations.
> I reject the notion that I’m going to be in a conflict of interest
That’s the most eyebrow-raising quote yet I think. He’s proceeding to get huffy about the very idea, which does not lay the groundwork for a future argument that he’s always been cautious and concerned.