Analyzing the Brewers and Padres Swap of Young Big Leaguers

Wednesday’s four-player Brewers/Padres swap was largely about two teams recognizing that they could trade puzzle pieces with each other to better complete themselves, and probably also revealed San Diego’s long-term pessimism regarding Luis Urías. Here’s the deal:

Padres get:

OF Trent Grisham
RHP Zach Davies

Brewers get:

INF Luis Urías
LHP Eric Lauer

With Lauer, the Brewers get an inning-eating lefty whose 2019 innings total is a big reason he generated 2.3 WAR despite his pedestrian 4.77 xFIP. He gives the Brewers yet another unique mechanical look, and chucks in a lot of varied breaking stuff, working heavily off of a cutter, curveball, and a slider that Lauer doesn’t use very much overall, but that he throws at a higher rate when opposing hitters have two strikes. That slider and cutter usage flipped last year (20% sliders and 6% cutters in 2018, with the inverse last year) and Lauer’s glove-side command of the cutter seemed to enable him to jam righties, as right-handed batter wOBA against him dropped from .341 in 2018 to .300 last year.

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Lauer was still a little fly ball/homer prone last year, but PETCO has a fairly short porch to straightaway left field (334 feet down the line, 357 feed to left), and six of the 14 dingers he surrendered to righties last season were wall-scrapers, so Miller Park’s dimensions (344 feet, 371 feet) might prove helpful in that regard.

Prior to the trade, Brent Suter was the only left-handed pitcher currently on Milwaukee’s roster who could make a case to be in next year’s Opening Day rotation, and he finished 2019 in a bullpen role as he came off of Tommy John rehab. (He has two option years left.)

The Brewers also flipped two years of Davies for four of Lauer in the deal, while the Grisham and Urías service time/team control is a wash.

In my opinion, players like Urías have traditionally been undervalued by public-facing prospect analysis, with Mookie Betts and José Ramírez the most glaring (and embarrassing) examples of our collective failure. Urías is of that ilk, at least statistically. He’s a wee 5-foot-9 and he doesn’t have loud tools, but he showed elite feel for contact early in his career before a swing change (he added a leg kick, which he retained with two strikes) attempted to trade off some of that contact for power. Urías was running a 7% strikeout rate during his first three pro seasons before it began to climb in 2017, and for the last two seasons it has been in the 20% range, which is just a bit better than big league average.

Nothing has really come from that because Urías just doesn’t hit the ball hard. His average exit velos in the big leagues have been about 87 mph, just shy of big league average, while he maxed out at 105, which is a 40 on the scouting scale if we were to apply the 20-80 scale to max exit velo as a proxy for power. According to my league sources, the same is true of his Triple-A exit velos even though his numbers there were bonkers last year (.315/.398/.600). But Urías was the age of a college junior. If a college middle infielder had performed the way he has in pro ball and then was dropped into the draft, where does that guy go? Probably in the top five to 10 picks, at worst. It’s possible Urías still has some filling out to do, and with it will come more power, which the natural feel for contact will allow to play as soon as it happens.

There’s precedent for this. Urías is not the physical specimen that Ketel Marte is, but Marte didn’t hit for power until last year when he was 25, and he hit more bombs in 2019 than he did in every one of his pro seasons combined up to that point. We don’t have year-over-year exit velo data in the minors to see if there’s additional precedent for late-blooming power by tracking eixt velo trends among young 20-somethings (yet), and even if we did, we’d have to make a subjective call as to whether or not it would apply to Urías based on his lack of physicality, because some bodies are just done filling out by that point.

The Brewers are going to let Urías play shortstop. I mentioned in my 40-man crunch piece last week that Milwaukee is about as shallow as a kiddie pool on the middle infield, so this addresses an immediate need while also giving the Brewers a shot to have an above-average everyday player on the roster for the next half decade if Urías becomes one. He’s an offensive upgrade but a defensive downgrade from Orlando Arcia. His ceiling will be dictated by what kind of physicality he grows into in to his mid-20s, but I think it could be significant even though the initial trials haven’t been great.

Trent Grisham also displayed an elite skill in the minors: plate discipline. He too was subject to some swing and approach changes during his time as a prospect, and he struggled. At times he could be described as passive rather than selective, but things seemed to click in 2019 as he retained that feel for the strike zone while also finally hitting for some power. Kiley and I 50 FV’d Grisham last summer, and we think he’s a solid, everyday player. He has less ceiling than Urías, but more certainty now that his swing is dialed in.

San Diego has a massive logjam in their outfield now, and I have to imagine more deals are coming, ones that consolidate some of this talented, if frustrating, group. If they move Wil Myers they’re going to need to eat salary. He has three years and $60 million left on his contract and has basically been a corner platoon guy for the first half of his deal. Unless the Padres want to have a very expensive timeshare at first base, which would risk pissing off a team leader in Eric Hosmer, Myers would seem to be the most likely piece to be dealt. The problem is that progressive teams won’t want to take on that contract, and traditional ones don’t like Myers’ on-field makeup.

There’s also tooled-up wild card Franchy Cordero, low-OBP thumper Hunter Renfroe, arguable DH Josh Naylor, platoon-y leatherwizard Manuel Margot, bad-gloved catcher Francisco Mejía, Myers, and Grisham. That’s seven guys. It’s possible the 26-man roster will allow for this kind of thing and San Diego has actually set up a pretty cool matchup situation in their outfield. Naylor, Grisham, and Cordero can play against righties, while Margot, Renfroe, and Myers play against lefties. Margot plays defense late in games; Mejia shares times with Hedges. There are ways the pieces might fit, but I think San Diego has more stuff to do. They have the prospect resources to trade with Myers to balance the money and still get something back if they want.

In losing Grisham, the Brewers now look to some combination of Corey Ray, Tyrone Taylor (who is a post-hype sleeper due to a 2018 swing change), and Ben Gamel to replace Grisham’s at-bats and, probably, to lighten to load on an aging Lorenzo Cain.

Davies is an athletic, changeup-centric righty who has two years of control remaining. He fits on a big league staff in some capacity, probably as a fifth starter, and in my opinion, is a bit of a downgrade from Lauer, though you can make an argument Joey Lucchesi, Nick Margevicius, and Lauer were pretty redundant, and that San Diego needed to mix things up.





Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.

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FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
6 years ago

What’s the gripe with Wil Myers’ makeup? As an East Coast resident, I don’t know much about his off-the-field endeavors.

Sonny LMember since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

As José Batista was to homers, Wil Myers is to strikeouts. The man can really pimp a swinging K. Have no idea if inside sources know more but the mans perceived give-a-sh!t level is loooow.

Not entirely fair to him as that’s the only thing I’ve read since his trade out of KC

DBA455Member since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Sonny L

Myers is the on-field issue, yet Hosmer’s team leadership is displayed by potentially getting ‘pissed off’ at a lineup that could improve the team’s chances of winning?

As if $36M to date for negative WAR wasn’t leadership enough …

Tanned Tom
6 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

$42M, the contract is front-loaded.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Tanned Tom

Good catch. It still doesn’t make it a good deal, but it’s not quite the albatross that it is normally assumed to be.

dvmin98
6 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

He was a K-machine last year and it obviously got into his head. Also, the year prior, he was caught while streaming a video game, talking smack about Andy Green and having to do cut-off drills in September.

Slappytheclown
6 years ago
Reply to  dvmin98

Myers ‘issues’ are basically he’s a prima donna who doesn’t think he has to work to improve. He regularly offends teammates when they do something wrong but also fails miserably himself frequently. His inability to practice is why he’s moved around the field so much and to first base. He has the capability to be an above average OF but mentally he doesn’t have it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

Yeah, this seems pretty much spot on. If you take a look at Davies’ statcast data, he got hit really hard last year. How he lucked into that ERA is beyond me, especially when you throw in his lousy peripherals. Lauer’s a solid 4th starter, a lefty (who are especially useful in Miller Park), and there’s some potential pitch-mix optimization to offset possible regression to his improvements last year.

I think I prefer Urias to Grisham, but I don’t think that one is as much of a slam-dunk. The big question with Urias is whether he can play shortstop; if he can play a solid shortstop with more reps the bat will play, because I think he’s got a David Fletcher-ish / Ender Incarte-ish bat. He’s the kind of guy where a little bit of power would turn him into a possible all star, but who knows? Eric punts on that question and that makes me a bit nervous. I like Grisham too, but he’s likely a left fielder and while I suspect he’s going to do better than his 103 wRC+ that Steamer projects for him he doesn’t seem likely to ever be a Michael Brantley-type…the guy who hits well enough to hold down left field but who doesn’t hit enough to be a true star.

ChiSoxfan2
6 years ago

Personally, I like this deal for the brewers. The brewers traded 2 years of 5th starter production (Davies) for 4 years of 5th starter production (Lauer). On the other side of this deal, I’ll take the high-upside, elite contact SS over the corner outfielder with patience and pop.

Themaven
6 years ago
Reply to  ChiSoxfan2

I agree and would add Urias was only 21 and struggled at the major league level,which is not uncommon.He has that in common with Jose Ramirez as well.
Grisham’s calling card is his patience which doesn’t always translate well to the big leagues,unless you have some pop in your bat.
I think the Brewers win this trade and it’s not even close.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  ChiSoxfan2

I think you may be overselling Davies and underselling Lauer. Davies is weird because he went from a guy who got by limiting hard contact to a guy who absolutely didn’t anymore, yet posted one of those of the bigger ERA-FIP discrepancies in MLB. So people think that his FIP might be underselling his contributions when it is likely it is overselling it instead.

I’m not less sure about Lauer than I am about Davies, because there’s a real possibility that his home run rate could regress and with his fly-ball tendencies that could be really bad. But he did put up over 2 wins last year in about 3/4ths of a season, so he seems like he could be a #4 to me.

Themaven
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You also have to factor in Davies seemingly persistent arm problems,he missed almost all of 2018 for that reason.

rhswanzey
6 years ago

I think this is a really weird way to spend a top 25 MLB ready prospect who has always had ARL and contact ability on his side, all from a middle infield position. Also, as noted, the Padres have a ton of outfielders, even after letting Jankowski and Martini go for nothing. Who’s going to play second? Are they just banking on bargain scooping March signings or something?

stever20Member since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

I think a big thing with Grisham is that he’s a lefty. SD only had 41 homers from lefties this season- only Detroit and Miami had fewer homers from lefties… Grisham had 6 in MLB after 26 in the minors this year….

randplatyMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

The Padres are really down on Urias. I don’t think they agree with the industry consensus that Urias is a major league regular. They would probably put a 45 FV on him.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  randplaty

This can be the only rationale behind the Padres giving him away so cheaply.

rhswanzey
6 years ago
Reply to  randplaty

I agree with the conclusion that Urias’ FV may come in under his prospect status, but I can’t imagine that view was universal, and I’m criticizing the Padres on those grounds. You need to spend him on something more solid than this return, if that’s the case. They didn’t get six years of Zac Gallen here. That’s a problem.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

Following up on randplaty, but in response to this:
The Padres must have been convinced that the bat was not going to play at second base. I’m not there yet, but the hard-hit rate is a major red flag I had not heard of before. Players who succeed having hard hit % less than 30% generally rely on blazing speed, like Mallex Smith and VIctor Robles, to perform on offense. Without the blazing speed, your comps at the plate are more like (from low to high), Sandy Leon, Joey Rickard, Yolmer Sanchez, JP Crawford, Cesar Hernandez, and Jean Segura.

I think there’s a real expectation for a Cesar Hernandez like outcome as the floor much more than Yolmer Sanchez because none of those guys have Urias’s bat-to-ball skills (not even close), but there is also the chance to dream that he adds just a wee bit of power and turns into Jeff McNeil or Ketel Marte. I’m not buying that as inevitable and maybe it’s not even probable though. All of this adds up to me understanding why they would may want to swap Urias for Grisham, although the Davies-Lauer swap for the privilege of giving up on Urias is what tips it for me.

randplatyMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah I really don’t like the Davies for Lauer swap. The Urias for Grisham side is more understandable. The strange thing is that all we’ve been hearing from the Padres is that Urias is low ceiling high floor… and then Longenhagen and I think Petriello agreed that Grisham has a higher floor but lower ceiling than Urias.

dvmin98
6 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

Padres have 4-5 players in the Minors that are creeping up to the ML. X Edwards, Abrams, Owen Miller (the likeliest to make the team first), Arias, Marcano, etc. Garcia played a serviceable 2B last year. \

What they should do is try and get Villar and send Kinsler and a minor prospect for him to kinda even out a little bit of money. Balt would likely just DFA Kinsler, but would at least get something for Villar and save some money instead of eating $10million.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago

Bad trade for the Padres.

They the up several years of control for Davies who is not able to generate misses and had massive ball in play luck last year (3.55 era, 4.5 fip). Lauer actually projects for a lower tip than Davies next year by steamer and comes with more years of control.

Also urias is a clearly better prospect than grisham who doesn’t fit into the Padres roster either. Grisham has good plate discipline but he also is already 23 so the power gains he has are probably maxed out. Not saying grisham is bad, but he isn’t a stellar defender either so he likely is a 4th outfielder with his profile.

Huge win for the brewers, they gain a legitimate prospect and a lot of service time with Lauer who probably is at least as good as Davies. Were the Padres looking at raw ERA? Davies is projected for a 5 era next year.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

I didn’t expect to be defending the Padres on this trade because I prefer Urias over Grisham and strongly prefer Lauer over Davies, but I do think we are giving Grisham too little credit. He’s likely a 2-win player next year in his age-23 season (he turned 23 after the season ended) and has the toolset to become a high-OBP guy in time in left field. Given the concerns over Urias and weak contact, I can see how they would like Grisham if I squint.

All that said, I do think that if they see him turning into Michael Brantley, they’re probably going to come away disappointed, and I do not prefer the Padres’ side of the deal.

Matthew TobinMember since 2016
6 years ago

It is just very unusual. It is just hard to believe Urias was shopped to all 29 other teams and the best return offer was Grisham. It almost is like Preller was over-eager to do something/anything and pulled the trigger on the first offer without any due-diligence.

Even if the Padres are very low on Urias and very high on Grisham….you have to think at least one other team absolutely loves Urias and was willing to overpay. It isn’t like holding onto Urias and waiting to be overwhelmed cost the Padres anything. They could have just let Urias continue demolishing AAA if they were afraid he would continue to be exposed in the majors.

Hell, The Red Sox should offer Micheal Chavis for Gavin Lux. Or the Twins should offer Luis Arraez for Carter Kieboom. The Reds should try to get Nick Madrigal or Brendan Rodgers for Aquino(who knows with the Rockies though….). Crazy things DO happen, so why not try?

bmasar
6 years ago
Reply to  Matthew Tobin

That’s possible, but doing due diligence is Preller’s calling card. The guy is known to work obsessively.

Themaven
6 years ago
Reply to  bmasar

Preller is also known for making knucklehead moves like signing Myers and Hosmer to big, long term contracts.

bmasar
6 years ago
Reply to  Themaven

He’s also known for making very good moves, like acquiring Tatis and Paddack for basically not much. Cuts both ways.

Themaven
6 years ago
Reply to  bmasar

He’s been the Padres GM since 2014,in the five full seasons since then the teams winning percentage is .414,despite signing major free agents and making all those good moves.
More bad cuts than good cuts it would seem to me.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Themaven

Yes, although I think it’s fair to wonder how much of a role ownership played in those deals.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  bmasar

Eric Hosmer?

The Duke
6 years ago
Reply to  Matthew Tobin

If this is true, the brewers ought to quickly flip him for his “real value”.

They won’t because SD already checked Urias out with 30 GMs and this was the best deal they could get.

I never understand the thought process that says they didn’t do any due diligence before a trade – of course they did

Matthew TobinMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  The Duke

I’m not saying Preller didn’t. I am saying it SEEMS like it from the public point of view.

Either this trade is bananas or public prospect evaluation is SO BAD that a consensus top 25 prospect(top 10 by some sources) is equivalent in value to a prospect that didn’t crack the top 10 prospects on his own team.

randplatyMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Matthew Tobin

For some reason it seems like the 2B position is very devalued on the actual market. Duffy getting DFA’d. Villar getting waived. A lot of 2Bmen last year getting pretty poor FA deals compared to what we think they should be getting. I wouldn’t be surprised if Urias’ value isn’t that high.

Sandy Kazmir
6 years ago

Good stuff. Pretty sure Eric Lauer has five, not four years of control, too. Not sure what possessed San Diego to make this move, but you point to a few positives. After all, these are the same analytics and front office folks that gave Wont Myers and Eric Hosmer a combined $227M for less than 5 total WAR over the 15 years of their deals. Didn’t one of the people that used to write here go over there?

Themaven
6 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

Great point!
I wonder if Cameron was in favor of this deal?

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Themaven

I think myers and hosmer were already signed or close to signed when dave started there

Themaven
6 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

I was referring to the recent trade,which really should be obvious……..no?

Purple Mays HazeMember since 2017
6 years ago

What is the reason why Urias’ Raw power (20/35) is less than his Game power (40/45)? Doesn’t make intuitive sense to me. Isn’t Raw like ‘ceiling’ (ie BP power) and Game is ability to apply it situationally?

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago

Raw power is basically peak exit velo and game power is how consistently you can hit homers in the show. Usually raw power is like half to a full grade above game power but sometimes with great contact ability and a decent launch angle game power can play above raw power (like with altuve who is below average in AD but barrels the ball up often.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
6 years ago

As recently as this past spring Baseball America was touting Urias as a potential contender for batting titles. The Padres are at the bottom of my pecking order so I did not follow his travails this season except to note that he hit .315 with 19 HR’s at El Paso. Of course it is interesting to note that, of players with over 200 AB’s, his BA is only the 6th best on the team. With this in mind I was quite surprised to see him included in a trade for a shaky back of the rotation starter and a late blooming minor leaguer who showed very little until 2019. The Brewers also picked up a similar type pitcher with more control. The Padres track record has been less than stellar as far as talent evaluation goes, Margot, Asuaje, Guerra and Allen was a pretty poor return for Kimbrel. Signing Hosmer and Myers
are being exposed as abysmal mistakes and this deal looks like it starts off in favor of the Brewers.

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 years ago

So the Brewers won this trade! Although the Padres now have a mildly interesting platoon at 2B with Kinsler and Garcia.

Tanned Tom
6 years ago

For those who don’t follow the Padres daily, the whispers have been that he has been tagged with the “uncoachable” label. The club even demoted him in the hope he’d lose the leg kick, but no dice. Sometimes it’s better to move on from a player like that before the word gets around. That and they did want a left handed hitting OF, and they like some of their 2B prospects.

Themaven
6 years ago
Reply to  Tanned Tom

Based on the return Urias brought,the word must have already got out on him or Preller just straight screwed the pooch in this deal.
Do you think it’s possible Urias may have looked around and said to himself , I want out of this organization so I’ll act like a jerk?
I think that happens more than we think.
Brad Zimmer turning down playing winterball could be a play to get moved by the Indians now that he’s been supplanted in center by Mercado,for example.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
6 years ago

It’ll never happen but I’d love for the Bucs to trade Marte and pick up Myers and some or all of his contract, to get back a better prospect.

rhswanzey
6 years ago

Are we missing a potential angle that given the five year winning percentage and questionable looking Myers and Hosmer contracts, this trade reflects Preller feeling pressure about his job security? I don’t really understand a floor centric trade where you end up with less cost control AND less upside, unless you really have to be a viable wild card team this year. Not expecting FG to press their sources like that or burn bridges by reporting things like that. Baseless speculation by some guy tbh.

Or maybe they’re really high on post hype Davies, and we have pessimistic looking projections by comparison. The point that all the lefties with fringe to average stuff is too redundant to continue forward with all three makes sense and is something I would’ve missed.

estone2005Member since 2020
6 years ago

Can we get more graphics for players’ year-by-year tool grades? Or be able to see that kind of thing on each players’ page? That would be sick.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
6 years ago

As a Padres fan I am surprised by the amount of Eric Lauer love on display here. He was pretty clearly the least talented of the Padres starters and his 2nd half performance was pretty bad. There’s no way he would have had a spot in the rotation next year: Paddack, Richards, Lamet, Lucchesi are all clearly ahead of him in the pecking order, and I’m sure the Padres would have preferred Quantrill or Baez or Morejon to beat him out in Spring Training. Even if he won a job in the spring, as soon as Gore was ready Lauer would lose his spot. Basically, the only way Lauer had value to the Padres was if things went horribly, terribly wrong. So, I’m fine with the Davies for Lauer swap. Davies has a much better track record in the majors, and realistically he’s the 5th starter, for a little while, and while he costs more, it’s only a 2 year commitment.

As for Urias and Grisham, the Padres best hitting prospects are middle infielders, Edwards and Miller could both be ready in 2020. They have lots of mediocre RH outfielders, they really need a LH bat out there. It’s amusing that people critical of the trade from the Padres perspective want to point out that Urias could grow into some power as he matures. Sure, that could happen. It happens all the time. You know who it may have happened to recently? Trent Grisham. Guy was the 15th player taken in the draft, has always displayed good plate discipline, was expected to hit for some power, finally unlocked it last year. Sure he’s not Juan Soto, or Ronald Acuna, or Mike Trout but who is? Give me an OF of Tommy Pham, Aaron Hicks and Christian Yelich any day. With Urias eveyone is focused on what he MIGHT do, with Grisham the focus is on what people think he CAN’T do. Why?

Not saying the Padres won the trade, don’t even think they were looking to, Preller has amassed a wealth of talent, now he needs to shape it into a functioning team. If he has to ‘lose’ some trades to build a better team, he can afford to, but it’s not clear to me that’s what happened here.