Angels Bet on Themselves, Acquire Giolito and López to Bolster Playoff Hopes

On Wednesday, the Angels made the most consequential decision they’ll make all year: they decided to pull Shohei Ohtani off the trade market and attempt to make the playoffs. They followed that decision up almost immediately with a complementary one, acquiring Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo López from the White Sox in exchange for prospects Edgar Quero and Ky Bush, kicking the trade deadline off in earnest by landing one of the best starters on the market, plus an interesting relief flier.
If you came here for a tallying up of the relative merits of the four players involved in this deal, you’ll definitely get it, but I’ll be frank: I don’t think that’s the most interesting thing to discuss about this trade. If that’s what you’re after, search for the phrase “get down in the mud and count beans.” You can read the second half of this article and come back up here later. First, though, I want to talk about the bigger picture here for both the Angels and the Sox. For my purposes here, we’ll just ballpark it: Giolito is a solid third starter. López is a high-risk, high-reward setup man. Quero is a 50 FV catcher, a middle-of-the-top-100 prospect. Bush is a future back-of-rotation starter. There’ll be more than that later, but that’s a good starting place.
Deciding whether or not to trade Ohtani is a responsibility I wouldn’t wish on anyone. It goes beyond counting up value and cost, weighing playoff odds against organizational soundness. It’s not about wins and losses, even. Voluntarily sending the best player in baseball out of your city is a legacy question, a fan interest question, the kind of thing disgruntled fans might cite for why they fell out of love with the team. On the flip side, turning a rental into multiple top prospects might be the kind of move that builds a competitive core around the tail end of Mike Trout’s prime. This isn’t your average buy/sell decision; when they write Perry Minasian’s baseball biography, what he did with Ohtani will likely be in the first paragraph.
With the decision to keep Ohtani made, adding Giolito and López follows naturally. If you’re going to make one last playoff push before the band breaks up, you might as well get the right backup singers. The Angels pulled off quite the coup in their timing here. Shopping Ohtani put a freeze on the trade market. With the best player’s fate undecided, teams were hesitant to send out prospects for secondary targets. Trading for Giolito wouldn’t feel quite so good if the prospects you sent out might have enabled you to acquire Ohtani. That ceasefire was bound to end the moment the league learned that Ohtani was staying — but the Angels, naturally, knew that before everyone else.
In what Ken Rosenthal has termed the Age of Bloodless Arbitrage, a lot of teams wouldn’t send out prospects this good for what the Angels got back. Discount the future expected contributions of all the players involved back to the present, and Quero and Bush will almost certainly do more for their teams than three months of Giolito and López. Teams make deadline deals anyway because of playoff leverage: you trade some value from future years, where the value of a given win is unknown, for some extra talent right now when every victory could be the difference between spending October on the diamond or the golf course.
The Angels don’t have a ton of playoff leverage; they’re four games out of the final playoff spot, with two teams between them and the Blue Jays. We give them a 16.7% chance of making it, which is right on the fringe between unlikely and quixotic. For comparison’s sake, the Cubs and Mets are in roughly the same boat, and they’re both expected to sell. But for this team specifically, I think you can throw those calculations out the window. The math here makes sense for their present circumstances, even if it wouldn’t for just any team.
Think of it this way: the Angels probably won’t be as good as they are, right this minute, for a long while. They have the best player on the planet at the peak of his powers. They have the previous best player on the planet in his age-31 season, still great but headed inexorably down from his apex. They’ve already broken open the farm system piggy bank and taken whatever they can use; two players they drafted last year have already debuted in the majors, for example.
Want to talk about leverage? The last half of 2023 will likely matter more to Angels fans than the 2024 and ’25 seasons combined. The odds know how likely the team is to make the playoffs this year, but they don’t know that it’s not getting better in the immediate future. They don’t know that letting Ohtani’s tenure on the team run out without a playoff appearance will be all that people remember the team for down the road.
When some future group of analytical writers weighs the relative performance of this era’s GMs, this trade will likely count against Minasian’s record. Giolito and López likely won’t make the difference when it comes to making the playoffs. Ohtani will likely leave in the offseason. The cupboard will be more bare than it was a day ago. Who cares? From the position the Angels are in today, going for it in 2023 is the only reasonable aim.
One of the neat things about a trade market is that prices are set by the second-highest bidder. Let’s take a quick non-baseball example: if I’m willing to pay $750 for a piece of art, but the next-highest interested party is only willing to pay $400, I’ll probably be able to get it for $401. That’s a stylized description of how the trade market works, because teams don’t get to see each other’s offers, but it tracks in the general sense. With Ohtani staying put, no team in baseball is more motivated to add wins this year. If I were the Angels, I would have given up more than they did to add pitching, but they didn’t have to; they just had to beat the other offers, a job made easier by the fact that their shopping of Ohtani made those offers less plentiful.
Another neat thing about trade markets: both sides can win. The Angels correctly weighed the importance of the present by making this deal. The White Sox, on the other hand, are down and out, 21 games below .500. GM Rick Hahn has one key job at the deadline: get the most out of players who won’t be on the team next year. He correctly identified that the Angels were motivated buyers and got a solid prospect out of the deal. He’s playing for the future because the present is nonexistent, an easy and optimal decision.
That’s the big picture. With that out of the way, let’s get down in the mud and count beans, starting with the two major leaguers in the deal. Giolito is one of the best handful of pitchers available if you make a few assumptions around Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, and Ohtani. He isn’t showing the same form that he did at his best; he was the seventh-best pitcher by fWAR from 2019 to ‘2021 but has a 110 ERA- and 100 FIP- over the past two years. That’s a good shorthand for who he is at the moment: a league-average arm, one a playoff contender wouldn’t mind in the middle of the rotation. There’s surely some upside in there; again, he was one of the best in the game not so long ago. But you don’t have to count on him regaining his old form to see how he can help out.
López is more of a cipher to me. He was excellent in 2022, his first year working out of the bullpen full-time. After a long flirtation with starting, relief work looked like a great fit: his fastball and slider are clearly his best two pitches, and the extra velocity that comes with relieving serves him well. This year, though, he’s struggled to locate his slider, which leads to a grisly 12.4% walk rate. He’s striking out a ton of batters, but the math still works out to a 4.29 ERA and 4.55 FIP. There’s premium relief performance in there somewhere, but not much time to figure it out before the end of the season. He slots into the middle of the bullpen for the Angels not because he’s unhittable but because their squad is extremely hittable; we have their relief corps as a bottom-five unit, and they can use all the help they can get.
On the prospect side, Quero is the clear headliner, as Eric Longenhagen detailed on the Angels list last month. He’s an offensively-minded catcher keeping his head above water with an aggressive assignment as a 20-year-old in Double-A. It’s all the more difficult because he’s a switch-hitter, which generally means a slower developmental timeline. His performance is no mirage: he hits the ball hard and has excellent plate discipline. He’s fringe average defensively, and his power took a big step back this year, but he still projects as a future starter, or perhaps the big half of a timeshare behind the plate, thanks to his offensive game.
Bush is probably the best of the 20 pitchers the Angels drafted in 2021, which isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of that draft. He’s a big lefty, but not a fireballing one; he sits in the low 90’s with a hittable fastball. He missed a chunk of this season with oblique and groin injuries, and he’s been hit hard since returning, but the scouting outlook looks the same as last year: minus fastball, plus secondaries, and an uncertain future role. Sometimes low-velo lefties figure it out and get by in the majors on guile and arm angle, but not always. He’s likely to end up as an up-and-down depth starter, or perhaps a reliever who emphasizes secondaries and rarely throws a fastball.
On The Board, we slotted Quero in as Chicago’s third-best prospect and Bush as the 12th-best. That’s a solid haul, meaningfully more than the White Sox would have gotten if they’d given Giolito a qualifying offer after the year. I don’t know whether he was interested in a reunion, but quite frankly, mid-rotation pitching wasn’t going to fix what ails them. I like their decision here, even though I know Giolito meant a lot to the franchise in some tough times. It’s also fitting that Giolito and López left in the same trade; they joined the White Sox organization in the same Adam Eaton trade seven years ago.
What more is there to say? The Angels have only one direction left to go: forward toward the playoffs, whatever the cost. The White Sox are operating under more traditional baseball logic: push value to the future when you’re bad in the hopes that you can be good later on. At the end of the day, this four-player trade is about a fifth player: Shohei Ohtani. He’s staying for now, and he’ll need all the help he can get.
Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.
Hoo boy, this is not the set of decisions I would have made. They have to climb over a lot of teams to make it, Mike Trout is still hurt (I think), and they have a ton of holes. And Ohtani is not likely to re-sign. There’s just no way he’s going to sign up for more of this, even if they offer him $500M. There are other teams that will offer him that and where he will win, even on the west coast. This seems like digging yourself a deeper hole to rebuild from when Ohtani eventually leaves.
But the Angels are operating from an unusual line of thinking. They think that if they lose Ohtani for next year, they are doomed. Nothing else matters to them. So the fact that this is probably what is going to happen is irrelevant, because the stakes are so high. So they’re going all-in on a playoff spot because that’s their best chance to convince him to stay. I don’t think it’s likely to net them a playoff spot, and either way I think Ohtani is gone…but they’re operating like there’s only one deadline that matters.
Giolito’s best attribute is also eating innings, from a pure run prevention standpoint he’s pretty mediocre. Eating inning is something I’d be happy to pay for this winter when he’s a free agent, but something that matters a lot less over the next 8 weeks
I realize baseball is different now than it was just a few years ago, but characterizing a guy who has never thrown 180 innings in a season as an “innings eater” still sounds wrong.
That said, he’s 7th in the league in starts and 10th in IP since he became a full time major leaguer in 2018, so I guess it has to be considered accurate.
At the end of the day, the Angels’ chance of either the postseason or a WS ring in 2023 is probably many orders of magnitude greater than their chances over the rest of the decade. Even if they somehow manage to re-sign Ohtani, I can see Moreno following that up with such severe penny-pinching in all aspects that you’d have a 2022-level stars/scrubs fiasco on the MLB roster and a 31st-ranked farm system (ie. somehow having a worst prospect group than some independent league team).
“Given that Arte Moreno meddles in everything and will screw everything up, we might as well go for it now before he messes it up further” is very accurate and also not the rallying cry I was looking for.
Now I want to see them go out and eat Player B’s bad contract in order to acquire Player A to help the team. The Mets and the Nationals, for example, have lots of Player Bs they could attach to useful trade piece Player As.
I agree that LAA likely see themselves as “doomed” if/when Ohtani leaves, though I don’t think they are necessarily doing this to convince Ohtani to stay. I think it’s more along the lines of “You only have so many opportunities to make a playoff run while employing the best player in the world, so may as well maximize your odds while you still have him.”
If Ohtani leaves, the Angels are likely going to be bad the next couple years anyway, *even if* they retained prospects like Quero and Bush. So, they are indeed doomed either way IMO. In that case, why stand pat now? Their current roster (pre-deadline) likely won’t leapfrog HOU/TEX/TB/BAL/TOR, and these moves make them better. In 2028, maybe they’ll be a Quero or a Bush away from being legit contenders, but I think Ohtani’s presence on the current team outweighs that uncertainty.
Their case isn’t totally hopeless: as of today they are only 3.5 games behind Toronto and they “only” have to leapfrog them, NYY, and Bos.
All it takes is a good week, a bout of good health, and another two trades.
They don’t even need Rendon to rise from the dead. 😇
Yeah, they have about a 20% chance to make the playoffs. It’s just the only way to get there is by being extremely good, not by relying on someone being bad or treading water. There are 5 playoff teams that are coming out of the AL West and AL East, there are 8 teams ahead of them and the Mariners one game behind. It seems unlikely that enough teams will be bad enough to propel them into a spot.
Trout is still hurt but will be back in a couple weeks. Maybe. Anyhow, I think this is the right move. If they were a few games worse, then I’d have advocated for trading Ohtani, especially if that almost arousing list Fangraphs came up with is at all realistic for possible returns. I felt as such a couple weeks ago, but the sweep of the Yankees gave a glimmer of hope and they’ve been playing well since (7-1 last eight games, maybe 8-1 if they win the 2nd double-header…they’re up 5-0 in the 2nd). You can’t trade Ohtani when you’re a few games out of a playoff berth with 60+ games to play and playing well. I mean, it isn’t a fantasy baseball league.
Yes, the team isn’t perfect – but tell me a wildcard contending team that is. They’re a problematic group, with the possible exception of the Astros. This bolsters their chances and probably signals that they’re make another (minor) move or two.
As a long-time Angels fan, the worst outcome is that Ohtani leaves and Arte doesn’t allow the rebuild approach that Minasian would probably want to take. It would be more of the last 8+ years, but without Ohtani and an aging Trout. Oh, and now without probably their best prospect. Perry has been making solid moves with the farm and is probably the best GM they’ve had since Bill Stoneman 16 years ago, though that’s not saying much. I don’t mind a rebuild, because they’ve already got some good young players in Neto, O’Hoppe etc to enjoy.
If Ohtani stays, they’ve got a bloated payroll, but should at least be competitive while Minasian slowly rebuilds the farm system.
Meaning, this will only look bad if Ohtani leaves AND Arte solidifies his identity as the dumber version of George Steinbrenner (aka, Peter Angelos). But if Ohtani stays or he leaves and they rebuild, well, at least they tried a bit at the end.
Fair read.
If they do lose Ohtani what is left behind would be comparable to a teardown.
At that point moving Trout might be a kindness.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Trout actually requests a trade if Ohtani leaves.
It’s sad Trout couldn’t see the writing on the wall when he signed the extension. Or, he did and didn’t care, he likes living in the area and chilling, in which case he’d be fine if Ohtani leaves. I am leaning towards the latter, myself.
What teams on the West coast will win? The dodgers? maybe in a plague year, despite all their payrolls they don’t win it all. Grant you this takes balls, but it isn’t stupid like the mets or padres spending. However, like those teams they can buy some players next year if this does not work out. Then all the pundits and fans canl fawn over them until they don’t.
If you’re going to limit it to teams that have won a world championship with their current core, there are only three teams: The Braves, the Astros, and the Dodgers.
That said, I don’t know that “winning” necessarily means a world championship. He is probably looking to go to the playoffs every year though. The Dodgers are definitely appealing on that front. For the Mariners, Giants, and Padres, the pitch is a lot messier: If we are this good without you, imagine how good we will be once you sign up with us? It’s still a better pitch than the Angels will have, though, and if you take the “he wants to go to the playoffs every year” as a prerequisite instead of a guideline then the Angels are definitely out.
As a baseball fan, I’m happy to see the Angels pushing the all-in button for 2023. If they make the playoffs and Ohtani continues to Ohtani, lots of fun for both the postseason and the offseason.
Great move by the Angels, as Giolito/Lopez is basically the best pitching they could realistically hope to acquire this deadline — agree with the take that the Angels won’t be this competitive again for at least another two years, no matter the potential Ohtani haul
Mr. Moniak’s Wild Ride becomes far more important to the Disneylanders than they ever could’ve imagined. Buckle up.
This is a pretty badass move by the Angels. Lopez seems like the kind of reliever pretty much any contender would love to bring in rn juuust in case
Fans love rebuilds, the brainwashing is strong and plebs are straight up 1984-ing Losing is Winning mindlessly, but with approx 8000 playoff spots and a flooded league Pipeline it’s for the birds
I’m guessing the Las Vegas A’s make the postseason before the Angels do again.
If that’s the case, it’s because The Big One hit California and Anaheim falls into the ocean.
I’m not sure the human race is going to survive long enough for the A’s to make the playoffs again. Then again, if the Angels can’t do it now…
A’s have a better farm slightly and don’t have long term financial commitments. It may take until 2029 before the A’s have a stadium, but unless Angels make it this year, I don’t see them making it this decade.
Nuclear war is pretty unlikely just bigass naval/aerial bombardment war; so like Pacific Theater 2.0 but with relatively minimal casualties except for TW.
To be fair, the A’s have made the playoffs 3 times since the last time the Angels made the playoffs. The A’s also don’t have the worst ranked farm system (they have double the value per The Board). The A’s also have a better record than the Angels since Trout came to the majors full-time (2012). They aren’t losing having the two best players in the world on relatively cheap contracts (Ohtani leaving, Trout hurt and expensive)
Basically, I’d take the A’s situation over the Angels situation post-2023.However for 2023, I’d much rather watch the Angels.
Arte Moreno: “Leeerroooooyyyy Jennnnkkiinnsss!!!”
In terms of the prospects and Giolito–I think this is a good return for Giolito, because everyone else can see the same things we see. His peripherals have declined from his peak from 2019-2021 and he’s more of a 4th starter now. That ERA looks nice, but his xERA says he’s been getting lucky.
So even though I don’t actually know that I like these prospects, I think they’re very good for a guy you’re not super-excited to start in the playoffs. Bush is probably a reliever, although potentially a very good one, and Quero is an bat-first catcher whose power has completely evaporated in AA. So sure, if they could have gotten a guy I actually think is an FV50 like Luisangel Acuna or Drew Gilbert or Joey Ortiz, I would have preferred that. I have no idea whether a guy like that was even available. I’d be very happy with this if I were the White Sox.
White Sox fan here: I am very happy with this haul! thank goodness for the expanded playoffs giving way to a sellers market. Bush is still 6’6″ so I wouldn’t give up hope that there is some untapped juice in that fastball. I would also welcome a bidding war on Cease.
Quero feels a lot like a slightly different Astudillo to me. Good contact, tiny amount of power, bad defense. He’s better than nothing, but the odds of him ever being a starting catcher are very low.
He’s shown much more power potential than what you’re seeing this year in a situation where he’s 20 years old and skipped a level. Reportedly he’s hitting the ball hard per Statcast so there’s reason to think the power is coming.
Yeah, in 2017, the Rangers got a slightly higher-ranked FV50 in Willie Calhoun for Yu Darvish, then a 3.5-win starter at the ASB. Giolito’s more of a 2.5-win starter so the Angels probably overpaid and were willing to do so because Logan O’Hoppe blocks Quero at C. They don’t have the prospect capital to land Scherzer, Verlander, or Cease and bats like Candelario probably only cost an FV40+, so Giolito was the best fit.
I don’t think Quero is a 50 once Eric updates the list. But I still like it anyway.
List was just updated a month ago, can’t imagine much has changed since then.
Calhoun was grossly overrated as a prospect… or at least came with a ton of risk.
I did not expect a top 100 prospect, much less with a throw in FV40 for Giolito. Even with the daily roll of the dice that is Reynaldo Lopez included.
Regardless of the actual overall grades, they got a switch hitting catcher with good plate discipline who is holding his own offensively in AA against much older competition, even without any power, and a soft tossing lefty with three MLB level secondary pitches and decent command. Those are both the types of players that any team would want.
So despite Giolito not being an ace by even the most relaxed definitions anymore, I do think he’s going to be super popular in free agency. He’s not going to have any draft pick compensation, he’s been a playoff-worthy pitcher as recently as 2021, and he’s still going to be 29 at the start of next season. Teams that think they can optimize pitching, have money, and have a need should be all-in on him. If I was the Orioles, I’d be way more excited to give him 5/$90M this offseason than giving Jameson Taillon or Taijuan Walker 4/$70M
Trade indicates to me Moreno has decided to sell the team.
He changed his mind just a six months ago re: selling the team I don’t see him doing another about face and selling the team.
Maybe he only postponed the sale to see what he got out of Ohtani.
Best case: he gets a ring on the way out.
More likely: ALDS and done.
Going all in is consistent with not hanging around to deal with the consequences of Ohtani leaving.
You guys just fall in love with the prospect porn.
The odds of either one of these kids ever producing a total 5 War in the big leagues is probably around 20-1.
Sure, prospects bust all the time – but I think you’ve swung too far the other way. Quero is a switch hitting 20 year old whose doing fine, offensively, at AA – while playing the hardest position.
For example, while being considered a disappointment, Kiebert Ruiz is more than halfway there towards 5 bWAR (though not by fWAR – wow, fangraphs hates his defence this year) – and Quero is doing a little better at AA at the same age.
Agree with Phil. I’ll take that bet every day and twice on Sunday.
Ohtani’s leaving anyway.
Might as well get something for him.
Well, seems like they’re trying… by trying to make a likely final run at the playoffs w/ him.
Hard to fault them for trying — probably only terrible if they just stand pat and do absolutely nothing (or somehow waaaay overpay for minimal help) before the deadline…
Angels are going for it and I really hope they’re successful as we all wanna see Ohtani strut his stuff in October as well as Trout.
One question this article did not answer…did the move actually increase the Angels’ playoff chances in any meaningful way? There has only been a tiny change in the playoff odds published here (.2%) since yesterday. Giolito’s FIP and xERA this season are both identical to the Angels pitching staff overall line (4.4). Eating innings has some value, but it doesn’t’ seem like NEARLY enough.
Nope. Which is really the tough thing about deadline trades.
Say Giloito + Lopez is is 3 WAR. But you get them for 1/3 of a season so it increase the Angels expected win total by 1 win. How much could that really move the playoff needle? Even if you think they improve the team 4.5 WAR that’s just 1.5 wins.
The most clear-headed and accurate piece I’ve read yet about the trade.
I think you make a good point about trade value being in the eye of the beholder. Like, I think Montgomery and Stratton are a better duo, but would other teams pay what the Angels paid to get them? I don’t see it. Once the Angels knew they were going for it, they couldn’t get bogged down in a bidding war and possibly lose out on significant upgrades. On the other hand, with so little pitching on the market, maybe a Montgomery/Stratton package gets more. Who knows?
As the playoff odds show, it’s likely that the Angels will miss the playoffs and cripple their future all in one go. That doesn’t mean they’ll regret it, of course. They should really keep buying if they are all-in like this, future be damned.
If Montgomery is healthy, a Montgomery / Stratton duo is a major upgrade for almost any contender. Much more than these two. I would imagine when they made this deal they had already decided that they couldn’t get Montgomery was out of reach or not 100%.
Rangers need Keller/Bednar bad seems like.
And Robertson is now in Florida, so the price went up.
Hader might be in play next.
The Angels future is much more dependent on Ohtani resigning than Quero.
The Angels future is kind of screwed either way… so why not go for it? They minor league system stinks with or without Quero.
Moreno, ego…. “ I Went for it, before I sold it”, A hero in his own mind. He will sell regardless if Angels make playoffs or not. If they do and they go far, it’s equity. If they don’t, so what? He made Real Coin$$$. He is out after 2023… just watch. It doesn’t matter what his position was 6 months ago. Observe his actions now. He really didn’t have a choice…
The players forced his hand.
Maybe its a MAJOR LEAGUE scenario?😱
So you’re saying that somewhere there’s a cardboard cutout of Arnie getting pieces of clothing slowly removed? *shudder*
I am a baseball fan, first and foremost, and ,while I am certainly interested in this trade or that trade, one thing stands out, so far above everything else, that it transcends anything that this great game has ever come close to seeing. Today, here in central CT, the temp is in the 90’s and the dew point was 76 when I last checked so I sat here in baseball central and was given the privilege of watching a feat that surpasses anything a true fan could wish for or even imagine. No, it doesn’t compare with 2004 in my cherished memories, but I watched the most amazing player in the history of the game perform incredible feats that cannot be coming from one man, but they are and it defies reality. He began the day in Game 1 with a complete game 1-hit shutout then, in Game 2, mashed 2 HR’s in the first 4 innings. Will we ever get an opportunity to see such a performance again? It seems inconceivable but I have stopped doubting what this man can do. All I do is marvel at his greatness and appreciate the opportunity I have had to watch him play.
I’ve been wondering whether my own fringey team (I know you don’t care who it is) ought to be buyers or sellers. But if this is going to be what prices are like at this deadline, it’s an easy decision! We’ve got a league average-starter and a lefty reliever about to hit FA.
Maybe this is the galaxy brain strategy. Increase your playoff odds by convincing the other teams around the Angels with one foot in and one foot out to become sellers.
I think the next step for LAA is to acquire a topflight closer. They need to start dominating close games and closers help. Bednar comes to mind.
Like Raisel Iglesias who they gave away for nothing?
In any case, it doesn’t matter. They don’t have enough to get Bednar now unless they trade something like the next six prospects at the top of the system.
We’d take Schanuel as a PTBNL+ Jake Madden
They’ve already traded the only minor league player they have worth being traded. They absolutely do not have anyone worth enough to get Bednar.
I suspect they may still be hedging w/ this move depending a whole lot on what happens in these next few days before the deadline… bc they still have a series against the Jays, the current top team for the final WC spot, coming this very weekend — and of course, had they somehow gotten swept in today’s doubleheader w/ the Tigers instead of sweeping them too would add to that.
IF they at least win 2-of-3 against the Jays (plus today’s sweep of the Tigers), that may be enough to justify pushing forward and making any final moves at the deadline, but if they get swept by the Jays instead, well, they could still try unloading Ohtani (and flipping Giolito) and whatever else…
Note also that acquiring Giolito meant they could bump Ohtani up today, which resulted in the 1-hit shutout today (and bolds well after his recent struggles), and immediately slot Giolito to face the Jays to see if that pays any immediate dividends — and probably push Silseth (or even Anderson) back into a solid middle-relief/spot-start role, which is probably for the best.
Ideally, of course, they’d sweep the Jays and suddenly be in excellent position to chase down that last WC spot, haha…
And no, I’m not a LAA homer… I promise… but would certainly love to see Ohtani and especially Trout finally make a run in the playoffs — too sad to think Trout never gets that chance me thinks…
Every baseball fan should be wishing to see those two together in the playoffs before Ohtani leaves and Trout ages further. That is: now!
Last chance.
It’s ironic the Angels put so much eggs into this year’s basket that there won’t be any reason for Ohtani to sign with them. The future is more bleak than Newcastle in Get Carter.
Speaking of ballsy moves that no one would see coming….Mariners and Royals should trade Eugenio Suarez and Carlos Hernandez to the Cubs
When Ohtani signs elsewhere, this trade pushes them over the tax and their compensatory pick moves from round 1 to 4 (unless they figure out a way to unload $5M in salary before 8/1)
Who cares? They’re not in the middle of a rebuild.
Like Ben said, this was a *very* difficult decision for the GM. But in the end, I think it really boils down to this:
Ohtani is likely leaving Angels offseason, and their chances of making it to October in the following years without him are gonna be much, much smaller than it is right now in 2023. So go all-in with whatever they got right now, it seems.
Are they gonna make it? Well, it certainly seems a longshot. Fangraphs says it’s about 23% as of today (28/07/23), and that’s about a quarter of the time. But what is our reference point here?
First off, 12 teams (out of 30) make it to the playoff so that’s 40%, and 23% isn’t terribly low compared to that, especially when certain teams are already a lock (80%+) to play October baseball. A few wins by Angels will boost it to 30-35%, if not more. BOS and NYY have 35% and 32%, respectively, and I doubt they have given up yet.
But more to the point, 23% might be as high as it gets for Angels for years to come. Exactly two years ago, it was merely 6.8%; a year after that, it was 0.2% or so. None of us can predict the future, but with Ohtani likely gone, it probably won’t be this high for years to come. And to be honest, 23% isn’t THAT low. In poker, it’s greater than the odds of hitting a flush draw with 1 more card to come.
To extend poker analogy, life is easy when you get dealt premium hands all day long. But I guess sometimes we gotta take a stand with a playable-but-somewhat-mediocre (or mediocre-but-somewhat-playable) hand, especially in tournaments, before it’s too late. I went all-in numerous times with less than 25% equity with my tournament life on the line. Sometimes I got there and survived, sometimes I didn’t, but at least I knew I did what I had to do and there was no regret.
As a fan of both Angels and Ohtani, I just respect their decision and hope for the best. After all, watching baseball hasn’t been this fun in a long while! Who knows, anything goes in baseball, and Angels might hit the moon.
Well, they could still change their minds, if they somehow get swept by the Jays this weekend despite immediately slotting Giolito in to face them (in a night game, LOL). But if they somehow manage to pull off the opposite and sweep the Jays instead, well,… 🙂
I’m not really an Angels fan, but gotta love this and definitely rooting for Trout and Ohtani! Like I said yesterday, would be too sad to think Trout never gets that (real) chance at the playoffs…
The reason for this is pretty much that the Angels are toast anyways after this year, so why not go for it?
I’m trying to imagine how stupid I would have to be to attribute any of this to Minasian. It gets easier to imagine by reading the comments.
This is as myopic as one can be. I think the whole baseball world knows that the Angels decision-making is dysfunctional. When Ohtani signed, the Halos had one of the greatest players ever at his peak along with a few valuable pieces (e.g. Justin Upton, Garrett Richards) etc. at their peaks. Even Pujols might have excited him as a hitting mentor. It seemed like a great destination at the time.
Now Trout is likely in for a big decline over the next few years with his body steadily falling apart and the management has no clear vision for the future and a barren farm system.
It seemed that if they really wanted Ohtani, they would have been better off trading him for a few young MLB studs/near-ready prospects right now. They could then approach him in the offseason showing that they are in better shape for the future. Now their future looks bleaker than before and Giolito is not someone who will greatly push them towards making the playoffs, let alone win it.
The time to go all in would have been 2–3 months ago, when the additional pieces would have added more value to the season. Not this late when they are this far away. The Rangers and Astros are superior teams in the division it’ll be hard to catch up with the lesser of those two for the wild card, especially with how strong the AL East teams are as well and Trout still injured.